Thanks for the video Dave. In my next video I defend myself 😂. We both know I wasn’t wrong 😉. Liquid fuel stoves have their place though. Hope you’re well and best wishes from me and Jo 👍🏻
This is fun, stove off! Horses for courses with stoves though eh. I guess I love the flame and danger. 👹 Will look forward to the next one. Love to you and Jo Paul!
The way I see it is you don't need to progress beyond the MSR Whisperlite International. I have the 1st International model made, and still love it. I primarily run it on unleaded gasoline just because it's so cheap compared to other fuels. If it can work atop Everest, then it can work in any extreme I could possibly throw at it. Between it and my Trangia, I don't need any other stoves. I still have like 20+ stoves, though, because we're men and we collect crap we don't need! 😂
@@Fellmandave1My liquid fuel stove is an Optimus Polaris, it has a wick for the priming. I think you can get that for the MSR as well. It will make the priming a bit more predictable.
Great review. Much quieter than my Optimus multifuel 1! Thing sounds like a jet engine. The Optimus does run on diesel, I bought for SHTF. None of these multifuel stoves like alcohol, strange. This stove seems like a step up, no fiery preheating or nozzle changes. Soto quality.
Great video, and a great comparison with a ture field test. I had one storm breaker in Hong Kong too, the canister quite expensive and white gas is the most competitive gear nowadays. This stove must pair a Zippo lighter coz they are the perfect team in same fuel system⛽, i pack it with zippo, just refuel few drop to lighter there u go haha. Lastly, this stove must use whis gas don't use canister, its too high consumption for this burner or just only one to two time boiling then done, may consider another canister at such winter situation. Enjoy the innovative design easier then old days...🎉
No I still agree with Paul messner that flame was too wild to use anywhere near a tent, it did carm down a bit but wouldn't be any good inside a vestibule if it was raining outside.
@Fellmandave1 I'll look forward to it. I am a bit of a collector of stove systems and I don't have a white fuel stove and soto equipment does look good.
For cold weather (below zero) trips that last more than a couple of days, you really need liquid fuel stoves. Much more heat generated with liquid fuel than gas. Gas stoves are not really suited for low temperatures. You can safely use liquid fuel stoves inside tents as well, you just need to know what you are doing.
@@zarolikse2372 Exactly,. Look out for my next tent review video. I think though that weather in the UK that is consistently that cold is rare, hence the preference for gas.
Good to see you taking some youngsters out too....a lot of us don't do that as often as we probably should. (It gives the Soto a bit more purpose aswell.) I've just ordered a Stormbreaker...that'll be one more stove to have to chose from! All the best from Norway.
Its a great stove and i agree on a lot of points youve made and also agree that Paul amessner just isnt getting the ritual of the Stormbreaker, however, its not the best liquid fuel stove on the market. Its a very fine one, but !! It can only really work with white gas, coleman fuel or petrol and gas ( which its utterly hopeless with in the cold even when inverted). A great true multifuel stove is the Optimus Polaris whIch also has some drawbacks but i love equally as much as the Stormbreaker.
Don't tell me I need another stove, please Gordon! I think the 'none spills of the lighting procedure on the SB must be good for small spaces though eh?
An interesting video, Dave, and as a stove collector with around 300 stoves, I think you did a good job of showing stove evolution. I love Soto kit, beautifully engineered, and innovative design. However, can you imagine trying to field maintain one with all those tiny O rings? You'd probably wish you had an MSR stove or even your Dad's lovely stove with you.
👍👍👍 .. nice, very nice 😊. That Primus Paraffin Stove was a nice blast from the past. It takes me back to the 50's and 60's when a Primus N°1 'Roarer' Paraffin Stove accompanied the family on Dad's surf fishing trips down the (then named) South African Natal South Coast. A major contributor, inter alia, towards hot, sweet condensed milk tea and refilling the 'Old Mans' Thermos Flask for transport down to him, rod in hand (depending on what fish sought, his 'light or heavy stick' .. both equipped with 'Scarbrough' fishing reels .. no fancy 'coffee grinders' and such for him 😁) on the rocks. That Soto Stormbreaker looks to be quite an impressive unit. Now, if the 'Lotto Gods' (or such) are kind .. one can dream .. 😏. Thanks for the earlier ref to this post .. have subscribed. Take care ..
Thanks for this. Very interesting re the evolution and history. I saw someone fire up a whisperlite in a Bothy once, that made my mind up to stick to canister gas! Me and a petrol stove would be an accident waiting to happen! Although weirdly I do now prefer meths stoves.
It sure is fun to geek about stoves. The Sotos surely do seem to be beautifully engineered and well thought out. I like the option for "AIR" on the control knob and the "START" option to mix fuel and air together. I seem to have a collection of stoves and was eager to see if this one was affordable but here in Canada, at least via Amazon, it's over $300 to purchase. Ouch. I have the Whisperlite International and find it to be completely reliable here in Canada for winter camping or for all seasons. But it's a bit messy when taking it apart I find. I think the MSR stove you're showing in this video is the "Whisperlite" not the Whisperlite International. The legs/pot stands are slightly different between the two stoves and the legs on your stove look like those on the Whisperlite model. I enjoy your videos and appreciate your appreciation of well-engineered gear.
Great review Dave. I use a variety of stoves whilst out camping, based on the environment and conditions I'm likely to be in. Short of a real fire you can't beat a liquid pressure stove for reliability in the cold. It just takes a little experience to become proficient in their use. When I'm cold, wet and hungry I don't want to be waiting 5-10 mins for a boil on a meths burner. My all time favourite stove has to be the Sigg Firejet, sadly no longer made, but using the current MSR Whisperlite International as my cold weather system, with the WindPro V2 for when it's not so cold. I've got lots of others, such as the Trangia 27 (with the gas burner as and when), and Soto Windmaster but I find myself returning to the MSR pair.
No need to compare your opinions with anyone else. Messengers view is just a personal opinion no one elses, everyone is different and has a different view they are all ok just views nothing more. That why i ignore most personal views as i like to really form my own.
Nice test, I don’t use this type as I had my MSR go up as I had not lubed the grommets and it split and up it went, lucky not in the tent !!!!that spot is getting busy so you can’t get it to yourself as often, suppose it’s all is wild campers !!!!!! Cheers
At home: I use to use a blow lamp when I first started plumbing, we also had a tilly lamp that all worked on a similar process. Very interesting. In camp: Great review. There nothing more demoralising than the stove not working in freezing conditions.
Hi. Really liked the video. First I’ve seen of yours. I would also not want to have that stove as most of what I do is solo and tents to be either inside or at least in the porch with door open. Safety first. Also depends what people are cooking - Sitting around the stove doing a stew or bolognese or something from scratch is generally one of the highlights of our camps either with the kids or even if I’m alone. 90minute sausage cassoulet on meths in the rain - nothing beats that smell!!
Interesting stuff Dave. I used to teach Outdoor Education in college and we acquired some Optimus petrol stoves (the ones in the blue metal box). I tested one out myself and promptly ordered some Trangias! The combination of pressurised petrol, matches and teenagers wasn't something I wanted to be responsible for 😅
To be honest, trangeas give me the fear more! All of the liquid fuel sloshing around with an invisible flame! At least with the soto, it's an enclosed system. Thanks for commenting.
The stove choice tends to pair with a whole camping sequence choice and a food choice. Trangia cooking you tend to err on side of setting up Trangia way off to the side to begin a slower, but difficult to burn, choice of foods with the Trangia lid also being a rain shield ontop of a wide stable windshield. You'd then be pitching camp while Trangia began it's job in difficult-to-go-wrong overall methodology. But gas stoves you'd tend to do a faster cook of a totally different set of food choices once you've pitched, and probably if needed do it in your tent porch. I have nil hands-on experience with this stove but I imagine if I had such experience I'd be cooking another choice of foods and cooking at another stage in the camp. When I'm doing fry-ups or in a hurry, I have gas. When I'm doing porridge I hate gas. I imagine if I had this stove I'd be hating some other type of cooking challenge. Conclusion? Use at home / garden and just learn learn learn before heading out reliant on using it. Once you've learned pros/cons context you'll work around it. But yes Trangias struggle to go wrong so good for teenagers / noobs.
I like Paul's video and I agree white gas stoves are not for everyone. I use a svea 123R and love it. You wouldn't want to cook in your tent and it's a potch to get going. I've ordered a Tilly pre heater to make the experience a bit easier, crossed fingers it will make it a real ball.
I love my stormbreaker - the build quality needs to be handled in person to appreciate it. I live in a warm climate so tend to use straight butane canisters (very cheap to run). Cannot fault mine, I cannot believe they have discontinued them - had to search quite a bit 12 months ago to track down a supplier. Fairly sure mine also came with two burner jet nozzles (different sizes) although I haven’t had to change them out - the one that was already fitted works fine 👍 Thanks for the vid
Thank you for this video; I've been curious about this stove for a while. I'm still using an MSR WhisperLite Universal with white gas, and it's been fine for me, but I hear you about the priming up; I did overflow it once, and the result was a tad worrisome, but not serious due to being atop a large rock. I tried using the much older version of the Soto Stormbreaker and found it to be very fiddly and was not at all pleased with it, but I was hoping that Soto would update it with a more refined design. It seems like that might be the case. :)
The Stormbreaker can also cause one hell of a fireball, even beneath the burner if you don't keep it in "start" mode long enough. The pre-heating is essential to complete fully. If you are too quick with the switch, the safest thing to do is to just shut it off, wait for the flames to die and start the process over.
I only use the alcohol stove now as nice and quiet and would never be in a group cooking situation as I’m a loner lol and even if I was in a group I would be in the corner cooking my own stuff lol . But I get if you were using it for a group and a load of stuff to cook , looks like the job . (I came as a sub on Pauls channel so your ref to Paul gained you another sub :-) )
I love to cook my own stuff nice and peacefully too but can't get away with it with the kids along! I have been using a small alcohol stove since 1977 when did my first 2 weeks backpacking with friends in the lake district , so get the appeal. Thanks for the sub and I hope you get to have a squint at some of my other stuff.
@@Fellmandave1 cheers Dave , will have a look. I might learn something . Still finding my way with the wildcampjng plus filming You guys make it look so easy but usually I rock up to a spot cold hungry and everything just seams a big faff lol .
Very interesting background info and awesome stoves that's what we used/got issued in the Army in the Falklands , Norway and Germany during winter months in the 80s. Once you get used to them they are really easy to use and super efficient but not my first choice of winter stove for lightweight over nighters on solo trips and i think thats most likely why Paul M made those comments. They are also not the cleanest things and your hands tend to get a bit messy but when you have hungry mouths to feed and need to act fast they certainly have their place even these days .
The soto tends to be pretty sootless really, unlike the primus. I understand though why they not be everbidies cup of tea, but I really like the flame crazy nature of them. The process of lighting too is a bit like making an espresso, take your time, get it right.
Just watched the Paul Messner vlog. In my opinion it's what people prefer to use while camping. Paul's "not wrong" it just wasn't for him or for me to be honest. Try using it while in your tent vestibule and see how long your tent lasts. ⛺🔥🤦♂
Thanks for watching, I have lit it in the vestibule and it's just about getting the pressure high enough. And you're right, nobodies wrong, bad choice of words, I just felt he made it out to be a poor stove whereas I feel it's brilliant. It's been construed by some as a personal thing, including Paul, which is really unfortunate , whereas, I just love stoves.
@@Fellmandave1 Yes and even the MSR SuperFuel. But the warm-up is where the soot seems to happen. I used to be a fire performer with white gas and soot happens when the flames are orange toward the end of the burn.
Have an old primus blow lamp, i guess its from 1950s. Dont use it now. In a cupboard somewhere. Always found paul messner very knowedgeable on most things. So are you it seams. Are these units compatable with trangia systems. Like a 27.
They are not compatible with a Trangia 27 or 25. The Optimus Nova and the Optimus Polaris can be converted to fit a Trangia, Trangia have their own liquid fuel accessory. I’ve got an extensive stove collection and I don’t know of any other ways to use white gas/petrol in a Trangia.
Context is everything. You have decades of multiple stoves experience, and trained yourself how to use this. But imagine recommending it to someone on CZcams where if someone did anything wrong you'd have somewhere between it not working and a major incident. I was taught 40 years ago how to use a Trangia and then I used Trangia for 25 years and others were using these new fangled gas stoves I found too complex and could find too many reasons too not use gas (noisy, mistrust of more ways-to-fail fuel / stove). I currently use gas stoves. Because I put in the time to learn to use on, same way you had learned to use the Soto Stormbreaker. Your 100g gas canister was (you stated) nearly empty so it's pressure dropping, while in reality in cold conditions you'd head out with a (refilled) full 230g or 460g large canister. I know you didn't show a Trangia meths setup but those are a LOT slower but if you had experience with it you'd begin it's cooking first THEN pitch tents etc to give it time to cook. So really it's a video relating to EXPERIENCE rather than technology, as an experienced stove user can make almost anything work well as they adapt to it. There's then food choice, I tend to use different foods for meths vs gas and I assume I'd learn different food preferences with whitegas - from your video probably more fast-cook foods for whitegas vs meths you'd use slow-cook / simmer type foods. Try making porridge in a Soto Windbreaker while at same time taking your tent down. Experience, skill, context.
Very good points! I did start with a full , but small,gas canister though after breakfast for 5 etc it was well down. Though I did mention they were all inherently dangerous , I will change the description to highlight training and practice though. In the end in these videos you can't cover everything. Thanks for your incite.
@@chrish8968 I don't have a white gas stove, but obviously thanks to Dave's video I'm intriqued. Trangia's weakness is it's slow, but has a lot of strengths too. Facts are you can make many things work by balancing your shelter choice with stove choice with food choices. Trangia is really good in windy weather where you don't have a large vestibule to act as a windbreak. I've tried Jetboil but it's not good at simmering. I have the Fire Maple remote stove and a windshield which suits in a hurry and you sit over it while cooking. If in a group I imagine you'd have two stoves anyway for capacity of pots and for variety of foods to combine in a meal. I carry two Esbit tabs as a backup fuel but so far never needed them.
Got a feeling you're going to get a few more views on this video now Paul has offered a rebuttal. 😂 Really interesting video though Dave. I've never had experience with such as stove, so interesting to see how it all works. 👍
Thanks for the video Dave. In my next video I defend myself 😂. We both know I wasn’t wrong 😉. Liquid fuel stoves have their place though. Hope you’re well and best wishes from me and Jo 👍🏻
You can use gas canisters inverted so it runs on liquid gas or white gas.
When it’s very cold this is the stove to have.
This is fun, stove off!
Horses for courses with stoves though eh. I guess I love the flame and danger. 👹 Will look forward to the next one. Love to you and Jo Paul!
The way I see it is you don't need to progress beyond the MSR Whisperlite International. I have the 1st International model made, and still love it. I primarily run it on unleaded gasoline just because it's so cheap compared to other fuels. If it can work atop Everest, then it can work in any extreme I could possibly throw at it. Between it and my Trangia, I don't need any other stoves. I still have like 20+ stoves, though, because we're men and we collect crap we don't need! 😂
Good point, but I really struggle to see how much I am filling the little dish at the bottom. 😂 oooaye stoves!
@@Fellmandave1My liquid fuel stove is an Optimus Polaris, it has a wick for the priming. I think you can get that for the MSR as well. It will make the priming a bit more predictable.
Watched ur vid a-z. Loved it. THX bro!
You are most welcome my friend.
I use a Soto st 330 at around 5c sometimes, trick is to put the butane can in an insulated sock with a couple hand warmers.
Great tip, thank you. i have an electric one coming so will try it for that.
Great review. Much quieter than my Optimus multifuel 1! Thing sounds like a jet engine. The Optimus does run on diesel, I bought for SHTF. None of these multifuel stoves like alcohol, strange. This stove seems like a step up, no fiery preheating or nozzle changes. Soto quality.
I am sure you will like it when you get it. Thanks for commenting.
I love the stormbreaker and it's great for winter camping and when the Mrs tags along.
Oh yes!
Great video, and a great comparison with a ture field test.
I had one storm breaker in Hong Kong too, the canister quite expensive and white gas is the most competitive gear nowadays.
This stove must pair a Zippo lighter coz they are the perfect team in same fuel system⛽, i pack it with zippo, just refuel few drop to
lighter there u go haha.
Lastly, this stove must use whis gas don't use canister, its too high consumption for this burner or just only one to two time boiling then done, may consider another canister at such winter situation.
Enjoy the innovative design easier then old days...🎉
Thanks for the comment Brian. I must recheck the gas consumption.
No I still agree with Paul messner that flame was too wild to use anywhere near a tent, it did carm down a bit but wouldn't be any good inside a vestibule if it was raining outside.
Next vid I will show how to deal with the vestibule thing. Thanks for commenting.
@Fellmandave1 I'll look forward to it. I am a bit of a collector of stove systems and I don't have a white fuel stove and soto equipment does look good.
For cold weather (below zero) trips that last more than a couple of days, you really need liquid fuel stoves. Much more heat generated with liquid fuel than gas. Gas stoves are not really suited for low temperatures. You can safely use liquid fuel stoves inside tents as well, you just need to know what you are doing.
@@zarolikse2372 Exactly,. Look out for my next tent review video. I think though that weather in the UK that is consistently that cold is rare, hence the preference for gas.
Good to see you taking some youngsters out too....a lot of us don't do that as often as we probably should. (It gives the Soto a bit more purpose aswell.) I've just ordered a Stormbreaker...that'll be one more stove to have to chose from! All the best from Norway.
Slow on gas, helps if there is some in the canister 😀
Agreed!
Its a great stove and i agree on a lot of points youve made and also agree that Paul amessner just isnt getting the ritual of the Stormbreaker, however, its not the best liquid fuel stove on the market. Its a very fine one, but !! It can only really work with white gas, coleman fuel or petrol and gas ( which its utterly hopeless with in the cold even when inverted). A great true multifuel stove is the Optimus Polaris whIch also has some drawbacks but i love equally as much as the Stormbreaker.
Don't tell me I need another stove, please Gordon! I think the 'none spills of the lighting procedure on the SB must be good for small spaces though eh?
Works in a Trangia as well, legs in closed position.
Works even better in a Robens cookery king.
Great info, thanks!
I’m with Paul on this one.
Thanks for your contribution.
Another great video thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it. ATB , DAVE
An interesting video, Dave, and as a stove collector with around 300 stoves, I think you did a good job of showing stove evolution. I love Soto kit, beautifully engineered, and innovative design. However, can you imagine trying to field maintain one with all those tiny O rings? You'd probably wish you had an MSR stove or even your Dad's lovely stove with you.
👍👍👍 .. nice, very nice 😊.
That Primus Paraffin Stove was a nice blast from the past. It takes me back to the 50's and 60's when a Primus N°1 'Roarer' Paraffin Stove accompanied the family on Dad's surf fishing trips down the (then named) South African Natal South Coast. A major contributor, inter alia, towards hot, sweet condensed milk tea and refilling the 'Old Mans' Thermos Flask for transport down to him, rod in hand (depending on what fish sought, his 'light or heavy stick' .. both equipped with 'Scarbrough' fishing reels .. no fancy 'coffee grinders' and such for him 😁) on the rocks.
That Soto Stormbreaker looks to be quite an impressive unit. Now, if the 'Lotto Gods' (or such) are kind .. one can dream .. 😏.
Thanks for the earlier ref to this post .. have subscribed. Take care ..
Thanks for another great story Thomas!
Thanks for this. Very interesting re the evolution and history. I saw someone fire up a whisperlite in a Bothy once, that made my mind up to stick to canister gas! Me and a petrol stove would be an accident waiting to happen! Although weirdly I do now prefer meths stoves.
Brilliant bothy story!
It sure is fun to geek about stoves. The Sotos surely do seem to be beautifully engineered and well thought out. I like the option for "AIR" on the control knob and the "START" option to mix fuel and air together. I seem to have a collection of stoves and was eager to see if this one was affordable but here in Canada, at least via Amazon, it's over $300 to purchase. Ouch. I have the Whisperlite International and find it to be completely reliable here in Canada for winter camping or for all seasons. But it's a bit messy when taking it apart I find. I think the MSR stove you're showing in this video is the "Whisperlite" not the Whisperlite International. The legs/pot stands are slightly different between the two stoves and the legs on your stove look like those on the Whisperlite model. I enjoy your videos and appreciate your appreciation of well-engineered gear.
Thanks buddy. I needed that!
Great review Dave. I use a variety of stoves whilst out camping, based on the environment and conditions I'm likely to be in. Short of a real fire you can't beat a liquid pressure stove for reliability in the cold. It just takes a little experience to become proficient in their use. When I'm cold, wet and hungry I don't want to be waiting 5-10 mins for a boil on a meths burner. My all time favourite stove has to be the Sigg Firejet, sadly no longer made, but using the current MSR Whisperlite International as my cold weather system, with the WindPro V2 for when it's not so cold. I've got lots of others, such as the Trangia 27 (with the gas burner as and when), and Soto Windmaster but I find myself returning to the MSR pair.
Brilliant, I don't have the patience for meths stoves except for a small brew kit I have. Thanks for the excellent contribution. Atb Dave
No need to compare your opinions with anyone else. Messengers view is just a personal opinion no one elses, everyone is different and has a different view they are all ok just views nothing more. That why i ignore most personal views as i like to really form my own.
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Nice test, I don’t use this type as I had my MSR go up as I had not lubed the grommets and it split and up it went, lucky not in the tent !!!!that spot is getting busy so you can’t get it to yourself as often, suppose it’s all is wild campers !!!!!!
Cheers
Bejesus! Been there twice before and there was no-one. Lads were decent though so all good. But it did remind me why I like solo trips.
Enjoyed your video David, love the Soto!
Glad you enjoyed it David, thanks for your contribution!
At home: I use to use a blow lamp when I first started plumbing, we also had a tilly lamp that all worked on a similar process. Very interesting.
In camp: Great review. There nothing more demoralising than the stove not working in freezing conditions.
Thanks for sharing, its the noise and the smell of the paraffin eh...
We never thought anything of it it's just what we did.😊
How about the number of pumping that is needed. Up to 250 strokes in my experience.
Seems like way too much. In my follow up video I talk about this more. Great stove eh!
Hi. Really liked the video. First I’ve seen of yours. I would also not want to have that stove as most of what I do is solo and tents to be either inside or at least in the porch with door open. Safety first. Also depends what people are cooking - Sitting around the stove doing a stew or bolognese or something from scratch is generally one of the highlights of our camps either with the kids or even if I’m alone. 90minute sausage cassoulet on meths in the rain - nothing beats that smell!!
Cheers Chris. How much meths do you use in 90 minutes though?
Interesting stuff Dave.
I used to teach Outdoor Education in college and we acquired some Optimus petrol stoves (the ones in the blue metal box). I tested one out myself and promptly ordered some Trangias! The combination of pressurised petrol, matches and teenagers wasn't something I wanted to be responsible for 😅
To be honest, trangeas give me the fear more! All of the liquid fuel sloshing around with an invisible flame! At least with the soto, it's an enclosed system. Thanks for commenting.
The stove choice tends to pair with a whole camping sequence choice and a food choice.
Trangia cooking you tend to err on side of setting up Trangia way off to the side to begin a slower, but difficult to burn, choice of foods with the Trangia lid also being a rain shield ontop of a wide stable windshield. You'd then be pitching camp while Trangia began it's job in difficult-to-go-wrong overall methodology.
But gas stoves you'd tend to do a faster cook of a totally different set of food choices once you've pitched, and probably if needed do it in your tent porch.
I have nil hands-on experience with this stove but I imagine if I had such experience I'd be cooking another choice of foods and cooking at another stage in the camp.
When I'm doing fry-ups or in a hurry, I have gas. When I'm doing porridge I hate gas. I imagine if I had this stove I'd be hating some other type of cooking challenge.
Conclusion? Use at home / garden and just learn learn learn before heading out reliant on using it. Once you've learned pros/cons context you'll work around it.
But yes Trangias struggle to go wrong so good for teenagers / noobs.
I like Paul's video and I agree white gas stoves are not for everyone. I use a svea 123R and love it. You wouldn't want to cook in your tent and it's a potch to get going. I've ordered a Tilly pre heater to make the experience a bit easier, crossed fingers it will make it a real ball.
Cheers Julian.
I love my stormbreaker - the build quality needs to be handled in person to appreciate it. I live in a warm climate so tend to use straight butane canisters (very cheap to run). Cannot fault mine, I cannot believe they have discontinued them - had to search quite a bit 12 months ago to track down a supplier. Fairly sure mine also came with two burner jet nozzles (different sizes) although I haven’t had to change them out - the one that was already fitted works fine 👍
Thanks for the vid
Thanks for the comment!
Thank you for this video; I've been curious about this stove for a while. I'm still using an MSR WhisperLite Universal with white gas, and it's been fine for me, but I hear you about the priming up; I did overflow it once, and the result was a tad worrisome, but not serious due to being atop a large rock. I tried using the much older version of the Soto Stormbreaker and found it to be very fiddly and was not at all pleased with it, but I was hoping that Soto would update it with a more refined design. It seems like that might be the case. :)
I would say so. thanks for commenting again.
The Stormbreaker can also cause one hell of a fireball, even beneath the burner if you don't keep it in "start" mode long enough. The pre-heating is essential to complete fully. If you are too quick with the switch, the safest thing to do is to just shut it off, wait for the flames to die and start the process over.
@@tomatron64 good to know in case I end up getting a storm breaker some day!
I only use the alcohol stove now as nice and quiet and would never be in a group cooking situation as I’m a loner lol and even if I was in a group I would be in the corner cooking my own stuff lol . But I get if you were using it for a group and a load of stuff to cook , looks like the job . (I came as a sub on Pauls channel so your ref to Paul gained you another sub :-) )
I love to cook my own stuff nice and peacefully too but can't get away with it with the kids along! I have been using a small alcohol stove since 1977 when did my first 2 weeks backpacking with friends in the lake district , so get the appeal. Thanks for the sub and I hope you get to have a squint at some of my other stuff.
@@Fellmandave1 cheers Dave , will have a look. I might learn something . Still finding my way with the wildcampjng plus filming You guys make it look so easy but usually I rock up to a spot cold hungry and everything just seams a big faff lol .
Hi Dave, Can I ask where you are camping, please?
Northumberland. The empty lands
Very interesting background info and awesome stoves that's what we used/got issued in the Army in the Falklands , Norway and Germany during winter months in the 80s. Once you get used to them they are really easy to use and super efficient but not my first choice of winter stove for lightweight over nighters on solo trips and i think thats most likely why Paul M made those comments. They are also not the cleanest things and your hands tend to get a bit messy but when you have hungry mouths to feed and need to act fast they certainly have their place even these days .
The soto tends to be pretty sootless really, unlike the primus. I understand though why they not be everbidies cup of tea, but I really like the flame crazy nature of them. The process of lighting too is a bit like making an espresso, take your time, get it right.
I feel like that about alcohol stoves too sometimes, flames really boost moral when the chill starts to bite.@@Fellmandave1
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Thanks 👍
Just watched the Paul Messner vlog. In my opinion it's what people prefer to use while camping. Paul's "not wrong" it just wasn't for him or for me to be honest. Try using it while in your tent vestibule and see how long your tent lasts. ⛺🔥🤦♂
Thanks for watching, I have lit it in the vestibule and it's just about getting the pressure high enough. And you're right, nobodies wrong, bad choice of words, I just felt he made it out to be a poor stove whereas I feel it's brilliant. It's been construed by some as a personal thing, including Paul, which is really unfortunate , whereas, I just love stoves.
Neat stove. What's the maintenance like?
Not had to do any yet my friend. Just clean burns. But it is easy to dismantle.
@@Fellmandave1 unfortunately my whisperlite is pretty sooty. I've heard that denatured alcohol starts can reduce the soot, but I've yet to try it.
@aaallllen are you burning white gas though? Pretty clean.
@@Fellmandave1 Yes and even the MSR SuperFuel. But the warm-up is where the soot seems to happen. I used to be a fire performer with white gas and soot happens when the flames are orange toward the end of the burn.
@@aaallllen sounds like you need to try the stormbreaker!
Is that coat any good .....I'm debating buying one but they do t have in store to look at
really good, great value, not tough but fab.
That looks like a great looking stove
I love it!
Great engineering and good looking too. Thanks for commenting.
Have an old primus blow lamp, i guess its from 1950s. Dont use it now. In a cupboard somewhere.
Always found paul messner very knowedgeable on most things.
So are you it seams.
Are these units compatable with trangia systems. Like a 27.
Really don't know about trangia compatibility, I am not a fan, but highly unlikely. Not that knowledgeable it seems!
They are not compatible with a Trangia 27 or 25. The Optimus Nova and the Optimus Polaris can be converted to fit a Trangia, Trangia have their own liquid fuel accessory. I’ve got an extensive stove collection and I don’t know of any other ways to use white gas/petrol in a Trangia.
Context is everything. You have decades of multiple stoves experience, and trained yourself how to use this.
But imagine recommending it to someone on CZcams where if someone did anything wrong you'd have somewhere between it not working and a major incident.
I was taught 40 years ago how to use a Trangia and then I used Trangia for 25 years and others were using these new fangled gas stoves I found too complex and could find too many reasons too not use gas (noisy, mistrust of more ways-to-fail fuel / stove).
I currently use gas stoves. Because I put in the time to learn to use on, same way you had learned to use the Soto Stormbreaker.
Your 100g gas canister was (you stated) nearly empty so it's pressure dropping, while in reality in cold conditions you'd head out with a (refilled) full 230g or 460g large canister. I know you didn't show a Trangia meths setup but those are a LOT slower but if you had experience with it you'd begin it's cooking first THEN pitch tents etc to give it time to cook.
So really it's a video relating to EXPERIENCE rather than technology, as an experienced stove user can make almost anything work well as they adapt to it.
There's then food choice, I tend to use different foods for meths vs gas and I assume I'd learn different food preferences with whitegas - from your video probably more fast-cook foods for whitegas vs meths you'd use slow-cook / simmer type foods. Try making porridge in a Soto Windbreaker while at same time taking your tent down.
Experience, skill, context.
Very good points! I did start with a full , but small,gas canister though after breakfast for 5 etc it was well down. Though I did mention they were all inherently dangerous , I will change the description to highlight training and practice though. In the end in these videos you can't cover everything. Thanks for your incite.
Couldn’t agree more with that “start cooking on the trangia before tent” comment (if you’re hungry!). Great stoves.
@@chrish8968 I don't have a white gas stove, but obviously thanks to Dave's video I'm intriqued. Trangia's weakness is it's slow, but has a lot of strengths too. Facts are you can make many things work by balancing your shelter choice with stove choice with food choices. Trangia is really good in windy weather where you don't have a large vestibule to act as a windbreak. I've tried Jetboil but it's not good at simmering. I have the Fire Maple remote stove and a windshield which suits in a hurry and you sit over it while cooking. If in a group I imagine you'd have two stoves anyway for capacity of pots and for variety of foods to combine in a meal. I carry two Esbit tabs as a backup fuel but so far never needed them.
Got a feeling you're going to get a few more views on this video now Paul has offered a rebuttal. 😂
Really interesting video though Dave. I've never had experience with such as stove, so interesting to see how it all works. 👍
Bit scared TBH. Good fun stuff though! Glad you liked the video, thanks for commenting.