Primus OmniLite-Ti - Say GOODBYE to Your MSR Whisperlite!
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- In the last 6 months I have gotten more into liquid fueled stoves, and my oh my, do we have some stoves coming up in the next year! I did a review on my MSR Whisperlite, and although I liked it, it was not my favorite. I found this OmniLite-Ti from Primus, and it checks ALL the boxes for me the MSR does not.
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Pleased to see you review this stove, which I've used for years and I think it's amazing. A couple of additional points: (1) No contest vs the whisperlite, the quality of the MSR pump construction alone doesn't remotely compare. (2) Master kerosene in this stove and it really shines - the fuel is easy on the o-rings of the stove (in contrast to naptha), and the fuel is more shelf-stable and less flammable. (3) If the noise of the stove bothers you, there are solutions; "quiet caps" that act as a muffling flame spreader and dramatically reduce the noise. (They do not work well with heavier fuels like kerosene.) (4) The weak link in this stove is the fiberglass fabric pad at the bottom that purposefully soaks up fuel and lets the stove prime. That pad is so fragile it's ridiculous and it will be toast after about a dozen uses. A permanent solution is to replace it with a woven stainless steel disk that you can get online - it works just as well, is light as a feather because it's mostly air, and lasts indefinitely. (5) Buy the repair kit - this stove is completely serviceable in the field. (6) One thing you left out is that the pump/fuel line connection you like so much is designed to be used with butane/propane as well, so this stove is truly versatile. Happy cooking!
Wow, some great info.
do you have a link for that SS priming disk?
For the stainless priming pad, google "webasto burner mesh 40mm". Drill a 9mm hole in the center of the disk to fit onto the stove.
Does kero leave a soot over the cooking pots?
@@skinnydog6665 As long as the stove is fully primed and running hot, I get very little soot (You will get some, but it's not like it completely blackens your pot or anything like that. Try it and decide if it works for you. Speaking of soot, kerosene creates a LOT of soot when priming, so I don't use it to prime. I soak the priming disk with alcohol, and begin to add kerosene just as the alcohol is dying down. Cut down on soot by about 90%.
I guess if my MSR whisperlite ever dies I might consider it, but I have not experienced some of the challenges you have with the whisperlite and I have used the same one for over 35 years, and thousands of meals with only annual maintenance being needed...still works great, still bullet proof, and still trust it to serve me well...
It won't die. Had my for fifteen years, did maintenance once, still works great every single time I pull it out.
I'm glad yours hasn't given you trouble. I put mine away for years after canister stoves came out. I tried using it again but it leaks. I bought the maintenance kit, changed O'rings, cleaned it and even replaced the pump. Nope, the pump leaks fuel, lotsa fuel. Back to canister stoves.
I bought a whisperlite when they first came out. Stopped using it several decades ago. There are just too many other good stoves. Everyone I know feels the same and only takes it on winter trips to melt snow.. I wish I would never had bought it. I might try this puppy though. Other than noise it ticks all the boxes.
@@geraldhenrickson7472 I am glad you found something that works for you, but my experience with canister stoves is they do not work as well at high altitudes or cold weather. Get over 9kft, and or below 10 degrees and let me know how well canisters work for you
I bought this stove at the weekend partly based on this review, and we took it camping. We cooked non stop for about 1.5hrs making hot drinks and 2 different evening meals, and again hot drinks the next morning for breakfast. It was easy to light and to extinguish (bottle flip method), it worked flawlessly and only used approx 30% of the small fuel bottle for all the cooking we did. Very happy with it so far. 👍🏻😀
To drain the fuel line of the WhisperLire, just flip the fuel bottle 180 degrees like you would on a Optimus. This will allow the pressurized air in the fuel bottle to purge the line and depressurization the fuel bottle. Now if you want the run the WhisperLite in Simmer mode, just flip the fuel bottle again, open the valve and lite the burner. With a depressurized fuel bottle the heat from the burner will be enough to keep the burner simmering. WhisperLite, great stove!
Let us agree to disagree. Many of us hate the whisperlite. MAny do not.
Do you flip the bottle when the stove is still running?
@@cindynichols27 yes you can.
@@cindynichols27 Yes, that allows all the fuel in the fuel line to burn out. You'll then hear a hissing and that is the bottle depressurizing. After that close the valve. Then, when you detach everything, there won't be extra fuel that gets everywhere.
You can do the same bottle flip to cleanly stop any liquid fueled MSR stove. :)
It's not obvious at first glance, but the fuel hose is designed to rotate.
I've had each of the whisperlites, and the PrimusOmnilite TI. The Whisperlites last forever, aren't like a jet, and the shaker jet beats the pricker on the TI multitool. But they are single valve, so don't simmer as easily as the TI dual valve design. Their hoses are short and stiff, the TI is longer and not stiff, easier to position the fuel bottle, and won't dump your meal if you move the fuel bottle, especially with the non locking legs of the Universal (yes, been there, done that). Also, the valve attachment on the stove hose screws directly into either the white gas fuel bottle or a canister. No need to change the hose valve attachment as has to be done on the whisperlites. I repurposed one of my many whisperlites carry bags for the TI. On the whole, I prefer the TI.
There is, by the way, by combining two companies components, a way to make the whisperlites work with either white gas or canister fuel without changing the Whisperlite hose end. I would prefer you find it on your own, since is certainly a non approved method by either company. And absolutely not by me.
Thanks Ernie! This system is the "go to" up here in Norway for most winter hiking. Users often montage the stove and the bottle on a DIY wooden plate/board.
Best stove reviews!!! Appreciate your effort to share with us. Thank you
Very cool that you did this video, Ernie. I've had a whisperlite for a few years now and finally got an Omnilite ti this year. I'm very glad that I did. Trying to get the whisperlite to simmer is a challenge and it can only go so low. The simmer control on the omnilite is my favorite feature by far. I'm not always melting snow and boiling water, it's great for soups and the like. My other favorite feature is the fact the omnilite works with narrow cookware. The whisperlite simply does not due to the wide burner and large gap in the pot supports. I can use my GSI Minimalist ii on the omnilite easily. Over the Christmas holiday we had some very cold weather up here in Alberta, Canada. At one point we were the coldest place in the world. I spent that day inside but I did do a bit of snow melting, boiling and freeze dried meals outside at -34°C with the omnilite. I'll say it primes a little faster than the whisperlite but it doesn't crank out as much heat. That's really not an issue above freezing but it does make a difference when melting snow and bringing it to a boil in extreme cold. It takes a massive amount of energy. That tradeoff is fine with me however because of the simmer control, small size and light weight. I won't be getting rid of my whisperlite but I will be using the omnilite as my main winter stove. It was awesome to be able to use the small GSI Minimalist pot/mug with the small omnilite for a compact and light cook set that works really well in the cold. If you do get up to some cold weather adventures, I'll recommend using the windscreen and keeping about an inch to 2 inch gap around your cookware. The cold sucks a lot of heat from your cookware and the windscreen holds a lot of that heat in. It also makes a great place to warm your frozen fingers.
Thanks for this review of this excellent primus stove. I was a long term whispherlite user and the primus handles to well. The flame adjustment impresses me the most.
I live in Calgary, Alberta Canada and liquid fuel stoves shines in the colder months. I spend a lot of time and play year round in the mountains. I use both canister stoves and liquid fuel stoves depending on where I am going and if it is above freezing or not. Above it's canister stoves as I got every model of the MSR canister stoves and Soto stoves. For liquid feul stove I have the MSR Simmerlite, Whisperlite and Whisperlite Universal along with the older Primus Omni. I love the Omni. I like the multifuel capabilities of both the Whisperlite Universal and Primus Omni. When it's cold and you got to burn a lot of fuel for cooking or melting snow, say 30 minutes to an hour at a time, nothing beats a liquid fuel stove. Each stove have its place and I love using and rotating through them. For winter and summer car camping I have a couple of Coleman single burner stoves and a bunch of Coleman white gas double and triple burner stoves. PS...this channel is not helping with my stove addiction.
Great review Ernie!! Although I am a quiet burner kind of guy (wood/alcohol). I did purchase a Primus Spyder system a few years ago for car camping or at the parking lot for before or after a hike and all my gear is in the pack and I don't want to tear into the pack. The build quality is top notch but so is their pricing. The stove came with magnetic feet which attached to the wonderful wind screen and Primus sold matching heat exchanger pots which fit the heat shield perfectly. The stove was set up for canisters and I eventually purchased the white gas conversion upgrade. The on/off bottle is what came with that. Needless to say I don't use it very often since it is way too heavy with all of the accessories for lightweight backpacking trips but; as I get into winter camping with a pulk sled, I may bring some of the system along with me to have a reliable cold weather fuel setup. The Omni-Lite looks very similar to my Spyder but probably quite a bit heavier. Thanks for the video!! Jeff
I’ve always loved the white spirit’s stoves. The ones I’ve got has got good control over MSR.
Here in NZ (that a Zed not a zee) we generally go out in larger groups and use 10pint billies where we cook communal food for dinners
The gear is generally shared amongst the group. Generally take two white spirits stove, group first aid, a large tent fly, 2 Ten pint billies
In camp there generally is a billy on for a brew
And chew the fat amongst our selves. Of as late I’ve been doing more solo trips. Just being antisocial sad I know
Nice video
Cheers
Primus was a household name in the Brittish Empire..
Where I live, most farms are offgrid to this day. Until recently, kerosine lamps and primus stoves were part of everyday life. (Inexpensive solar has now taken over)
I still have my copper primus stove I purchased about 40years ago. Its a parrafin (kerosine for you 'Mericans) stove, but can run on diesel and jetfuel as well.
I put alcohol in the cup for pre-heating. And run her on parrifin.
I also have a 40year old kerosine storm lantern. Between those 2 old school items, Im well set for camping and overlanding. No worries about finding butane cannisters in rural Namibia, Zambia, Malawi, Tanzania etc.
Thank you for another great review.
Good to know if I'm ever lost in the woods I can signal the rescue team with this.
Great review. I have a Svea 123, Primus Omnilite ti, and MSR xgk ex. They are all great stoves. In Australia, all are as versatile as each other, with good availability of fuel types. I gravitate to the Primus Omnilite ti for its flame control and relative ease of use. I don’t find the carry bag bulky, as some have said in other reviews. I carry the stove, fuel bottle, pump and spares in it, and find it quite easy to fit in the rucksack. The ti is also very fuel efficient. Thanks again for a great review. Graeme
Hi Ernie, another great video, thank you. I’ve had this stove a few years now and yes as a liquid fuel stove I find it up there with the best! What I don’t understand is why people want to quieten it down!! the roaring, for me anyway, is what it’s all about 😂😂 if I want quiet I go for an alcohol stove, for convenience it’s got to be gas and anywhere in between it’s got to be white gas or paraffin (sorry kerosene!!) and the roar!! Regards from deepest Dorset England 🇬🇧🇺🇸
As always; Great Video, thanks.
Thanks for the review Ernie. I’ve been thinking about getting a white gas stove for winter camping.
Wow, now I know as to why I could not start my Wired stoves. Gee, I have several new ones from years ago. Thank you for the very informative videos you share.
Thank you.
I have the Whisperlite Universal, and you can flip the bottle just like you can with the Primus. It just isn't labeled as a feature. As long as the intake tube is stiff enough to end up on the upper side of the bottle and take in air instead of fuel when you flip it, this technique works. It isn't magic after all, so MSR just didn't think to sell the idea.
I mainly use the Whisperlite for melting snow at winter, not for fine cooking. I have other stoves for that. And the Whisperlite doesn't soot all that bad if you avoid running it on full blast. Yellow flames should tell you that something is amiss, no matter what stove it is really, so it's just that it can be made to run too high for its method of mixing in air. It's less turbulent, so it needs a bit of time and space.
I really like that it doesn't make all that much noise, and that along with it being able to run pretty hot even when not at full power, is the best of it as far as I'm concerned.
Ive been lookin at this stove, Maybe it time to get one. Thanks for your video great information!!
Excellent video. Thanks for sharing.
I enjoyed the review, I usually enjoy your reviews, I think the stove is pricey. However, I like the fact you receive everything needed to operate and service the stove if necessary. I have not decided to purchase one as of yet, but your review has placed it on my "Interesting" list.
Thanks for another great review. I'm still using my MSR XGK from the late 80's or early 90's. I'll buy a new stove if this one ever stops working. The flipping the bottle over to clear the line with the stove still lit is a great idea.
It'd be great to see you compare your favorite alcohol stove to a good white gas stove at altitude and in the cold. I do use my Esbit, also from the 80's, when I don't need the XGK.
I never made the jump to a liquid fuel stove, but I really like that Primus. Thanks for the review.
Great video, Doc. I have the Optimus Polaris optifuel as mentioned in another comment. It is the best stove I have ever owned. The Primus is lighter but operates the same. I'm sure it is a great stove as well. Thanks for all of your videos and the work that goes into producing them.
Optimus Polaris is way better then the Primus. I have used my 2 Optimus Polaris a lot now and its great to not need to change jets or anything.
Another solid review, Ernie. Primus OmniLite looks & functions very much like the Optimus Polaris. After much research, I bought Optimus Polaris about 1 year ago & have found it works very well in the field for everything from melting snow, boiling water, frying a sausage & vegs, or simmering a hearty stew. I like that the Polaris can also accept an isobutane canister or multiple liquid fuels, & without need to change fuel nozzles like other stoves.
Hello from România, Europe. I own this stove, but I must confess that it don't get to much use time now. In the past (15-20 years ogo) I'we owned and used an old version of Primus Multifuel (stainless steel instead of titanium) and the on off function was there since then. Nice review BTW.
I love this stove, it might be one of my next purchase, when the budget will allows it !
Thanks for the vidéo, now with this multifuel (especially white gas) stove, YOU'RE THE STOVE GUY ! A grown stove guy :)
Have a nice time in Arkansas, enjoy and hope you will have better luck when fishing ;)
Greetings from France,
Aaron & Marie.
I've a few of these white gas stoves over the years, but the only one I kept was the SVEA. Not because it worked better, but because it is a piece of art. Most of them I find very noisy as I do the isobutane and propane stoves. Now a days I use an alcohol stove or twig stove as they are quiet and light weight. Thanks for a good review Dr. Ernie.
Love this stove review. Going to buy one soon!!
Very cool stove! Thanks for vid!!
Love that glow it's reminds me of the brilliant white glow you get when someone hits the afterburner just before takeoff.
I much prefer my Coleman Dual Fuel 533 single burner stove. Fill it up and there is enough fuel for anything you want to do for a weekend of cooking and coffee making. It is a bit heavy but the heat, low fuel consumption, and ruggedness more than makes up for it. I have thoroughly enjoyed your channel and especially your stove reviews. I, unfortunately, am a stove junkie also, not to your extent, I just have one or two of each type, but I do love different types of stoves, twig burners, alcohol, white gas, rocket stoves, propane and butane, cooking and grilling over a campfire, I love it all. Thanks for going to the trouble of making and editing these fantastic videos.
Good looking stove and review , thanks for sharing , God bless !
Had my Omnilite-Ti for 8 years, used a lot never had any issues. Bought other stoves but I think this is the best money can buy. In the UK I burn Aspen4 £20 / 5L burns really clean. Ernie you are now the ultimate stove guy.
I had never seen aspen 4 before and was wondering what you think of me using Shell ultra diesel in my old fashion primus. I was discouraged by some people but I wanted to see if the detergents in the premium diesel worked.
The only difference is the heat output is lower but its quieter.
Parrafin is so expensive
Do not use paraffin.
I did for a little bit but the titanium does not hold the heat well and so you get unburnt paraffin and it clogs it all up.
I got maybe 10 burns before it stopped working.
I use aspen 4 for my dragonfly as it was the first liquid fuel stove I got.
I use pain stripper (the name i forget but it is basically Coleman fuel and was 20 quid from europarts).
Burns clean and well.
If using Aspen4 do you use the same jet used for white gas, or a different one?
@@iwan_teamloz yes white gas jet.
I think you exactly right on about your review with this stove. What sets this one above all others is the weight at 12 oz. One draw backs is the loud noise it makes. Maybe you can test the OmniLite Ti with the silencer. I think it is a must with this stove. Thanks Ernie.
Looks like a nice little stove thanks for reviewing
You can also use gas cartridges so it’s truly a multi fuel stove. It’s an awesome piece of kit
So, I have the Omnifuel and have been super happy with it. My one, tiny complaint aside from weight (It's just not an ultralight stove though so different tools and all that) is the spring on the flame spreader has started to fail and it doesn't look like the service kit has one. That's it. I've used it from about 2016 with varying frequency. It's good for boiling water and for cooking and I've used it in everything from -20C to 35C and from sea level to about 6000m without issue. You'd want something with a longer priming tube for high elevations and colder temps but again - different tools for different jobs. I find the liquid fuel is just so much more cost effective than iso so I can use it without concern while car camping and cooking for 6 people as well. Obviously having multiple burners would be great but in a pinch, it works great for that.
I have yet to use any other fuel than Naptha/Whitegas but also kind of want to leave that for emergencies due to health and maintenance factors so if anyone has any experience there I would love to hear it.
The other thing that a lot of people miss is that this stove can also be used with iso as it comes which is going to be my next experiment.
Hey there Doc, a little FYI:
Back when my mother went to work as a Controller in the petroleum industry, I found out that kerosene is sold by the distributors (middle men) as "Jet-A." That is likely what they mean by "jet fuel," so the kerosene tip would be what you would use for "Jet-A." - By the way, you'll get a better price if you can find a local distributor, instead of paying full retail ... much like propane.
I have to agree with you that the bottle flip to clean the line, and turn it off, is truly epic. I am not young, and only used "white gas"/napthalene stoves & lanterns as a kid. The only major gripe was that there was always extra fuel in the lines when you were done with a stove that needed to be disassembled for storage/transport. So ... having a unit with the solution to that issue is absolutely great.
No matter what kind of heat source you're going to use, there will always be fuel to carry unless it's a biofuel/wood stove, so choose your fuel (and equipment) according to the environment you are going to be dealing with.
Love your videos. Please keep up the good work. 👍
I am van guy. With liquid fuel stove I use diesel fuel. It's much easier one fuel for everything,van , cooking.i bought Chinese version is very light construction.i think primus is my next purchase. Thank you for showing this bottle future,I loved it
There is a silencer available too. Costs an arm and a leg but works very very well. I can recommend it
I enjoy the channel and enjoyed this video! We all have our different favourites, but mine in this style is so far the Optimus Polaris Omnifuel. It is certainly a bit heavier but I prefer the way it packs up and it feels more durable. It also is designed for the bottle to flip. Another positive is that it doesnt require different jets for different fuels. These stoves match up better to the MSR dragonfly than the whisperlight. Ive never tried it, but I suspect you could flip the bottle on the MSR as well with its fuel tube angled the way it is with the same result. Id love to see more naptha/white gas stoves compared. Especially the Chinese BRS stoves.
My favorite stove is the Optimus Polaris, this primus stoves shuts off the same way the Polaris does . Also the Polaris doesn't require you to change any jets . But the primus seems nice .
Hi Ernie,
Great review as usual.
I would be very interested in your opinion on the Soto Muka which I believe is a competitor to this stove. I have been mulling a purchase and it seems like a good design which also comprises a self-cleaning function that purges the pipe of fuel when it is shut down.
Best regards
Felix
Hey, this video looked great! No focus breathing whatsoever, did you lock the focus? Also great lighting. I was laughing when you said how annoying it is to be sweating. People who never experienced it just don't understand. When I thru hiked the AT I often dreamed about just being dry for a day or two.😂
I have the Optimus Polaris and live in Colorado. Works amazing and never had a issue. The Polaris is heavier but works the same way… even with flipping the bottle. I also purchased a silencer which is a grooved cap that replaces the flame spreader that helps on the jet engine sound. Great review! Thanks!
Me too!! Silencer is really useful for better simmering. There’s a couple touring with the Polaris and Trangia combo. Quite a lump but clearly works for them… and they’re young💪😆.
I use a polaris damper on my edelrid hexon. It is a berniedawg polardawg. Improves noise, flame and simmer.
It is also a one jet system and has a trangia adapter as well.
For loud, have you guys heard the MSR XGK while in use? You know a stove is noisy when on a glacier the low flying airplane flying is much quieter than the stove.
Altitude of colorado and its still working well. Good to know
@@davidchen3862 I have the first generation XGK. Yep, really loud, flares a lot even when placing a small fire starter on the burner and slowly dripping fuel into the stove.
I've had one since 2015, I fitted my Omnilite Ti to my Trangia 27 DuoSSAL using the Trangia/Primus Burner cup/adapter for Multifuel burner X2 (Art.no 750001) This can also be fitted into the larger 25 Trangia stove.
I prefer the DuoSSAL pans which are aluminium outside for better heat transfer with a stainless inner. I've tried the Hard Anodised (HA) which wasn't as non stick as I thought they would be and the Ti pans which don't transfer heat as well as the DuoSSAL and as I moto camp the extra weight of the DuoSSAL doesn't matter.
I do have a different fry pan which is stainless steel with a thick aluminium base which is great for frying steak and fish as it spreads and hold the heat evenly, unfortunately it was second hand and I don't know what make it is but it fits the Trangia 27 perfectly.
It makes a small windproof hurricane stove, thinking of getting the OmniLite Ti Silencer.
I've been running it on Panel Wipe (Naptha from a vehicle spray shop supply place) recently I have been running it on LP Gas as I need to get another 5L can of panel wipe.
It is worth getting a spare flame spreader, I lost one on a motorbike camping trip, I cut one out of a metal cigar tin and if worked fine. I found it again while packing up.
Background... I lugged around the old Coleman Peak One backpacking for years. Very happy with the performance, the controllable low simmer (I love creating gourmet dishes over one burner and maybe a small campfire) What I didn't like was the shut off always created a stinky vapor that eventually clogs the generator tube. This can be cleaned only so many times but eventually have to be replaced. Overtime it became harder and harder to find replacements.
Totally sold on the flame control of fuel stoves, little interest in the bottled propane models plus I've seen how they perform at altitude and cold. One outing encountered
teachers at the top of Mt. Gornonio with sub freezing temps, wind. They could NOT keep their bottled gas stoves running. Lent my old Coleman, they finally could eat well after dark.
Took up long distance motorcycle camping, needed a replacement for the old Coleman. Read, reserached all the top fuel stoves, MSR Whisperlite, the Primus and the Optimus Nova which is very similar to the Primus Opti Lite in design and use. A number of users found the plastic parts of the MSR fragile, prone to breakage and fiddly to replace in the field eliminating that model.
The Optimus like your Primus is NOISY!! Too much so, too noisy when you are trying to get away from distracting noises. Found a burner 'Quiet Cap' that replaces the 3 pronged cover above the burner. Reduces the noise to less than half, not the least distracting and the flame pattern is softer, smoother at low simmer temps but just as effective at high settings.
You might look into a 'Quiet Cap' for your stove. If it works as well as mine, you'll be very pleased.
Ernie, come on out with me and I’ll turn you into a whisper light believer. I was backpacker this past weekend, overnight low was 9 degrees. Woke to a balmy 14 and fired up my whisper light with no issues and had water boiling in no time. I’m not opposed to other liquid fueled stoves it’s just that I have not see one as bullet proof as the whisper light. However, this looks like the first contender I would consider. Great vid.
👍 Very, very nice .. thanks for sharing.
Another Stove onto my 'Wish List'. Not that I need one .. but then ..
Another White Gas / Multi-Fuel Stove? If you haven't already, what about the 'Optimus Polaris Optifuel Stove'.
It also comes with Fuel Bottle included and is claimed to burn using 'Gas, LPG, White Gas, Unleaded Gasoline, Kerosene, Diesel and Petroleum' .. wait for it .. USING THE SAME JET / NOZZLE! It even apparently has a 'magnetic' jet cleaner that can be activated whilst the stove is being used .. and .. if I understand correctly, also uses a 'Fip-Flop' On / Off Fuel Bottle.
Somewhat pricy .. yes .. but I believe that the quality is top-notch .. being a later Cousin of the SVEA, I would tend to believe it. I have the Optimus 8R Hunter (first cousin of your SVEA .. same Burner Mechanism), bought in the 70's and still in regular use, so I am an Optimus 'Fanboy' .. am somewhat biased 😊.
Perhaps please, worth a look-see, Ernie?
Take care .. Tommy
Ha! Sounds like my 123...thanks to your channel I expanded with canister stoves as well...
I have a Primus omnifuel has a pre heater, bought it back in 2002, I've ben using it for over 22 years and has outlasted my merrage of 20yrs lol. Now I get to use it more.
Hi you can actually use the largest jet to burn butane/propane from a standard screw on canister. The valve screws straight on. If it splutters using any fuel you can fine tune it a bit using the valve near the bottle. Also when you flip the bottle to purge the system, turn it off at the bottle end before the stove end. Help minimise drips. Hope this helps. Best regards from Scotland
Ian
Not sure if this for me. thank you for taking the time to show this though.
I was camping in Mexico, no propane or butane canisters, Whisperlite was real useful!
Love the shirt! Salty Dog Cafe in HHI is amazing. One of me life-goals is to eventually have a place in HHI.
Great video! I also tend to go liquid fuel lately, my favorite is Optimus nova, I seldom going super light trips. You should make a video about the best liquidfuel for these burners! 🔥 Greetings from Sweden 👋
I have several Primus Himalaya stoves (earlier versions of the stove you have now, not in Ti) and most of the pumps are the older all metal pumps but I do have one of the ergo type pumps as you have in this video. However, I've seen at least one video where the center tube got pushed away from the plastic housing and I suspect the cause for this is how the plunger on this pump has a flat "stop" that hits against the collar nut that keeps the plunger from being pulled out. In effect, if you have that stop hit against the collar often enough -- and hard enough -- over time it may weaken the bond between the tube and the plastic housing (see CZcams video title: primus ergo pump leak repair).
One suggestion -- when you use the ergo pump, pump SLOWLY and avoid hitting the collar nut with that stop on the plunger handle. Might make your pump last longer!
Where I am primus and optimus are the ones associated with liquid fuel stoves. Primus is even a generic name for brass stoves.
I use an edelrid hexon. Same on/off system and it can also use isopropane as well as kero and naptha/petrol. I also have the svea.
Get a berniedawg omnipup silent damper. It will improve the burner and make it more silent. I put on his damper for the optimus polaris on the edelrid and it really improves it.
In summer I use a gas stove or a trangia but once the temps drop, then out comes the petrol stoves.
I really enjoyed this video. I am thinking of getting a system of this nature and I am wondering how the OmniLite-Ti compares to MSR Dragonfly stove? it seem the both have an independent flame adjuster values where the Wisperlite does not. Side note you made a great argument as to why I should consider making sure I get a unit that has a flame adjuster values (Thank you!). Moving on the WhisperLite also has a Isopro connection. do you know if there is one for the OmniLite-Ti? Again, I appreciate your video it has helped prepare some thought for my next purchase. =)
I'd still be using my Coleman Peak 1 if they didn't use any plastic in the fuel line. Now I keep Yellow Heat in the bottle for my Trangia. Happy I found the optional threaded stopper for at least fuel storage.
Same setup as this purty much. Peak 1 had one adjustable leg for leveling, which was nice.
works just the the MSR XGK II.. had mine for 20+ years now(i thought $110 was a alot of money back then..). i always turn off at the bottle and don't have gas spill issues
What does your name mean? I have wondered for years. Another great vid, thanks.
The whisperlite can definitely simmer. When I first started using mine as a teenager, I over pumped it (innuendo intended) just like in this video. After a while, it dawns on you that the only purpose of pumping is to move fuel from the bottle to the stove. If you want a simmer, only pump it enough to move fuel and no more. If the bottle is full, you only need maybe 3 pumps. If near empty, you'll need more to build the same pressure. Want a raucous boil? Give it 20+ pumps. When the flame starts to die down while simmering, give it a pump or two.
Just got back from a week long expedition I was guiding north of the 52nd parrallel at a 1000m altitude. Out of the 6 primus multi fuel stoves we had. Only 2 worked well during the whole expedition. 2 did not work at all and 2 died on day 2...
The wind screens are not very ergonomic. The fuel bottle lids where triky to close without them leaking. The MSR Dragonfly and XGK that I brought along just in case the Primus stoves died, worked great for the whole week in -20C . This was my second experience with the Primus stoves. Both where negative
If you make it to Colorado, I've got a sweet little spot near Glen Haven that I like to go backpacking and fly fishing for a few days at a time. Last summer I spent many weekends there harvesting beautiful King Boletes and Brook Trout to my heart's content.
Looks like good competition to the whisperlite. I believe the new whisperlite will also run butane canisters. I've had my dragonfly for twenty years. It's a little heavy but I don't mind, it's never failed me.
The new Universal model does run on butane. And I think it's a nice option when you're traveling far and don't know what kind of fuel you can find. But for a butane stove it's of course quite heavy, so I usually take a butane burner for treks at summer and leave the butane adapter at home when using my Whisperlite at winter and run it on fuel or kerosene.
The fuel I use is a quite clean synthetic fuel called "alkylate fuel" and it has the benefit of not messing up your luggage if you spill a little. It just smells, and then disappears. While kerosene has more energy per liter, and is less explosive. I've had one of my older burners go "poof!" in the tank when it ran out of fuel, and I have to get rid of the bulge it ended up with after that happened.
What a beast... but that's to be expected for these styles of White Gas/Coleman Fuel/Naphtha stoves. As another person commented, the silencer is available. Though I always wondered if the silencers cut down on efficiency, etc.(???) As always, thank you for your reviews & channels. I'll need to strongly consider the Primus OmniLite-Ti.
I love my omnifuel its a monster and never broke down 👌 burns everything
I use the Optimus Polaris Optifuel which only requires one jet and will use any fuel thrown at it ... similar in design to the Primus omnilite but even more compact... 😉👍
It's expensive but I like the multi fuel aspect along with some other features too. I wound use this for car camping and power outages. I use hurricane (kerosene) lanterns during power outages and car camping (wonderful ambience). It would be very convenient to be able to store the same fuel (I use lamp oil which is a little more refined than kerosene and less smelly) for both my lanterns and my stove. So I like that wrinkle a lot. The canister stoves screwed on top of the canister with a pot of water on top always make me feel a little uncomfortable thinking/knowing how unstable this arrangement can be with the center of gravity so high up. You got to be careful. So I like a gas bottle to be just a remote gas bottle and not the stove base. I also think kerosene/lamp oil might be cheaper/BTU than the butane mixtures in canisters and possibly more readily available if resources are scarce. Although you can't burn gasoline in kerosene lamps, many household vegetable cooking oils can also be used. So having alternatives for both my stove and lanterns, even though those alternatives differ, just might be handy in a pinch as is their ability to burn the same kerosene as their primary fuel. Love your reviews Ernie, good job on this one as always.
at last u got good stove ❤️🇱🇹👍 u forgot to say it works on butane standard 7/16 cans too. i use this stove almoust all the time on butane with silencer accesory and it works great. but i use it too on kerosene then i dont have butane.. so its a win win stove for me. my number one. 🙂
The same ingestion system used in the original design from 1890's. All the stuff we take canoeing, backpacking snow shoeing, biking are tools. My blacksmith grandfather taught me to always use the best tool to solve the problem at hand. In the case of stoves for nomads the original design from the 1890s turns out to be the best tool. They are bad ass, bomb proof two moving parts. They were marketed under several names Optimus, Primus etc. The liquid fuel tank with fold out legs for balance, the fire tower screws into the fuel tank. The tank has a cap to secure the fuel while in storage. The tower often comes with a removeable wind sleeve to protect the flame, When you depressurize the stove to break it down and remove the tower there is no fuel to spill. there is no hose or external tank to mess with. The old brass stove such as the Primus 00 or the larger and more powerful Optimus 45 or 48 where well thought through and are a great example of Occom's Razer. They are still readily available on the secondary market. Just be prepared to replace the pump leather and the tank gasket once every 50 years. (yes every 50) I want a stove to not only cooks a meal and boil water, but I want a powerhouse year around. In North American the highest death rate from Hypothermia is in the Spring and Summer. An ice-cold rain can move in on a warm or hot day with deadly results. For liquid fuel stove that do not break down I always go with the Seva one twenty-three. Same weight as the canister stove but with higher BTU fuel . It has been around since the mid 60's and still in production. Just take it out of the one quart pot and Light. Nothing to put together. I think too much time has been spent over the past 45 years trying to design a better buggy whip or one with a new bell and whistle to suck in the newbies. My life means more to me than a stove that saves me 2 grams.
Hi. Really like your vids and you have helpt me find the right gas burner for me, the Soto Amicus. I'm really happy with it.
I don't know if you just miss poke in this video but I'm pretty sure the Primus ti is made in Sweden or at least the brand is Swedish.
Thanks / Markus
Almost pulled the trigger on the purchase of an Optimus Polaris Optifuel stove until I saw this video. After much research I am hugely impressed with the Polaris. I looked to see of you have reviewed the Polarius but did not find one if you did review it. Now I will be hunting for videos and reviews comparing the features and performance of the Primus Omnilite to the Optimus Polaris before I make a purchase and hopefully see both those stoves back in stock on Amazon soon.
The Polaris works fine with each fuel. But not great. I’ve had one for a while that stripped a burner nut and I won’t be able to repair it. Anyways, it’s loud, sputters and pulses( sounds like a helicopter landing in camp), and it’s heavy. But the pump is very good. All metal. The volume of the sound it makes is not what gets me, it’s the pulsing. Absolutely drove me nuts. So I got a quite cap which helped but it won’t burn right with kerosene. This Primus stove looks to be pretty nice. But I’m going for a whisperlite.
I have this stove I use a small bottle of metholated spirits to prime the stove very clean.
Thank you, useful.
That looks like a cool, reliable stove that can run on almost any fuel. I have the Optimus Polaris Optifuel which is pretty similar. Have your done a review on this one? If not I’d like to see you do one on it. Thanks Ernie.
I used this stove on a motorcycle ride about. From Death Valley below sea level, The Rocky Mountains at 12,000 feet and the Florida Keys over a 6 month period. Mine is an older model where the pump (same design) is all aluminum. The thing is you don't think about this stove at all and that is about the highest praise you can give a stove. I have a stove fetish and have in my collection just about every commercial white gas stove ever made (even a Snow Peak GS010 recalled and Coleman Fyrestorm Ti). This is hands down the best multifuel stove ever made. You didn't mention you can also use iso butane canisters.
Not 100% sure but I believe that stove hooks up to iso-butane canister as well
It does to propane butane mix screw in canisters
Question. I'm new to camp stoves, especially white gas stoves. But can you use a regular iso butane stove with white gas? Obviously if you have an extension hose. But would it be safe to just buy a fuel bottle and run it?
I have had this stove for years with only one problem. Carry a spare flame spreading plate. To find it in snow is nearly impossible. Without the plate the stove does not work properly.
The later version of this stove has an attachment to minimise the loss I experienced .
I also have other stoves such as RS.
Loving it!
Regarding the Whisperlite and soot: if you blow out the little yellow flame coming from the jet after you close the valve when you are done cooking, the jet will need far less cleaning.
The Primus is much noisier than the Whisperlite. It has what is called a spatter burner, also called a roar burner (for good reason).
I use it as my primary stove, lots of time in use, bomb proof. I live in Colorado and spend a lot of time above tree line.
If you ever make it out here hit me up.
I was camping with a couple friends in a tipi tent. I had the wisperlight and one of the other guys had this stove. We used them for heat and I would say that the omnilite gets too much on the noisy side for me. Especially when used for hours. Then I prefer the whisperlite.
Do you have a video that discusses the benefit of a stove like this compared to something more compact and light weight (like a pocket rocket)? Obviously it’s wider, so you can fit a wider pot, but just wondering if it offers any other benefits. Just wondering why someone would want to carry the weight of something like this. Is it better for simmering food?
I'm in. This would be a great emergency stove. Thanks
Pathfinder makes 1 simular to this , asto buring multiple fuels. They have a jet kit extras , windscreen, pretty much same as that 1 . Its as well made as any of my other stoves , I don't know what all brands I have , but the Pathfinder cost less than the others I have . I just got a bag in today for it , ill check my others to see if they'll all fit in the bag , and if so ill order more bags .
Can the stove also be used with liquid gas? So if I turn the gas catusche.... Because I don't see any preheating coil. But the combustion of gasoline does not work differently, right?
Hi, thanks for your video.
Which do you think is the best multifuell burner ?
I own a primus white gas burner. Do not know the exact name anymore. It was expensive. But the thing was a mess from the beginning. The metal that needed to get hot always sprung away when it got hot. And then the fuell had no barrier. And the pump always leaked. And one day the bottle got flamed and it exploded. Off course i should have thrown it in the garbage after i had bought it and not have used it.
I want to buy another multifuel burner. I still have the burner itself but the pump and the botlle have become useless.
Would there a possibility to use two burners on one bottle ? This would make it much more practical.
Could you recommend a multifuel burner. The best one out there ?
I have a primus multifuel EX. Its lika a machine. Bought it in the early 2000.
Interested to see you try the Optimus Polaris, the British Marines chose it over all other liquid stoves including the MSR’s, plus it burns propane/butane gas canisters AND all with the one single fuel jet, so you don’t have to keep changing and possibly losing the different jets
This was my first Liquid fuel stove. I loved it for many years until I took it with me to Alaska ( Mount Hunter Area) in the winter. It was absolutely USELESS in the cold. I could not use it for a full month... It only shot out liquid fuel and would not vapourise! Luckly the other guys on the trip has MSR Dragonfly stoves... worked perfectly!! I got rid of the Primus Omnifuel as soon as I got home. DO NOT TRUST THIS STOVE!!!! It could be the end of you if you relying on it in extreme conditions.
The problem is, it relys on a heat sync system rather than the tried and tested pipe through the flame system.
Love your content!
I have not used an MSR Whisperlite before. I have however used a Primus Omnifuel quite a bit. I have only used it down to about -15 to -20 degrees C. I did not notice anything different aside from the fact I had to pump more. Boiling water at least was no issue.
How cold was it on your trip and could you elaborate on your issue?
@@johanehlern5402 The temps where very similar to yours. Although at night it dipped a bit lower to around -28/-30 deg C. The issue was that the heat sink used to vaporise the liquid fuel just couldnt get hot enough to work effectively. Despite priming it more than normal. It would just constantly spurt out a combination of liquid and gas fuel. Even after 5-10min of continuous burning, it still didnt get up to temperature. We did everything we could to try service/ clean/ longer primes .But after trying it for several days we retired it and exclusively used the Dragonfly stove which is FAR Superior!!!! I gave the stove away to a friend who doesnt go into cold environments just to make sure I never take it with me EVER again! It literally was a death trap in those environments and if you go into these sorts of temps. I would highly recommend you sell yours and get a proper stove like the Dragonfly. Because its just a matter of time before you have the right conditions for the wrong outcome.
@@davidreeves45 You did everything I would have done in that situation, which is quite concerning. I do not know about the Dragonfly and I will look into that.
Originally I choose this stove, because I found it used for quite cheap and it could also run on gas. I do not know whether the Dragonfly is capable of that? I am not a big fan of the whisperlite as it lacks the second valve for fine adjustment.
PS You probably already did this, but when I bought my Omnifuel it came with 3 nozzles. 0.28, 0.32 and 0.45. I primarily use naphta (I think this is the correct wording it is called rensebenzin in my language) and I found it to run poor. I searched online and found a 0.37 mm nozzle. The difference with this is night and day. It runs so much better.
@@johanehlern5402 What makes the dragonfly soooo good for cold weather expedition basecamp cooking is that its preheating pipe which vaporises the fuel travels through the flame....( many stoves do this but its worth mentioning) The main aspect which makes the Dragonfly soo good is that the adjustment tap regulates the flow when its in a gas form so the simmer control is phenomenal. Most stoves regulate the fuel when its still in a liquid phase which as you can imagine gives you literally no simmer control.
The other part is it has a huge stand to great for large pots.
I currently use two of these in my car camping setup permanently wired down to a plank of wood giving me a dual burner setup. I also have purchased 2x dragon tamers which dramatically reduce the sound output and also make for a better heat distribution too...
Peoples biggest issue with the dragonfly is its rocket engine sound.... But the dragon tamers definitely resolve that!
I also use Aspen4 fuel now when I can. Basically Colman fuel/ white fuel but sold in larger quantities at much lower cost. Its super clean and if you get it on your hands, it does not smell at all!!!!
@@davidreeves45 That adjustment sounds very appealing to me. It seems to me that, that is also the way that the Omnifuel works. However to get that functionality and added performance in cold weather is definitely worth looking into.
Well. Noise is also an issue with the Omnifuel and while I would prefer silence I feel that noise is a small price to pay for receiving warmth in the middle of winter and/or in the middle of nowhere.
That is a very nice tip. I will look into that. To me it looks like the sort of fuel I would use for a lawnmover, so the lower price makes sense :)
Ty for reviewing the stove. In the video the ti stand seemed a bit bendy... the msr wl i have is 20 years old and my goto to winter camp. Gonna be hard to pull that from my fingers. But a contender if i ever want another white gas stove. I did watch your video fast forward at times did you mention if fuel bottles are compatible as i have like 4 msr bottles.
The thread pattern is the same ,but because of the angle of the pump you cant use the "small MSR bottles. The medium and large bottles work well though. If you wanted to go on a trip with just one small bottle then you have to use theirs.
@@johnh5648 thanks!
Can you compare this one with Optimus Polaris Optifuel Stove? Thanks
Meant to ask how long does the fuel last on full blow or on an average cooking time