Can a person flat out REJECT the Trinity and still be saved? Is this a requirement for salvation? Let me know your thoughts below in the comments. Enjoy!
@@j.nelson2811 Anyone saying God is father, son, the holy spirit and they are all God then they are saying God is three beings. Period. There is only one God not three.
I've always heard it compared to a home baked cherry pie. If you cut that into 3 equal pieces, you can see the three pieces in the pan. But on the inside, the filling has no lines and is one filling. My beliefe is like this...we can't handle God as one entity, so He gave us himself as three persons..smaller portions.
If it causes confusion it's not of God. “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.” - 1 Corinthians 14:33 (KJV)
@@4-wardcommunicationsllc56 “one” God is interpreted by the Jewish scribe and confirmed by Jesus at Mark 12. “HE is one and there is no other but HIM.” God is one person not one God consisting of three persons. The trinity doctrine jumps back and forth from modalism to tritheism.
It's easy to understand; God spoke the universe into existence by His Living Word (Manifested as Jesus in the flesh), and by the aid of His Breath (Holy Spirit - Same Spirit He breathed into Adam after molding the clay, same Spirit hovering over the waters of the esrth in Genesis, Same Spirit that anointed the church at Pentecost). Simplified: You have a Spirit and breath, God the Father does too, His Spirit is called the Holy Spirit, because Only God is holy. God created man in his image, able to make declarations, curses and blessings, speak forth laws, say prayers, etc. If man's declarations and prayers align with God's plan, He will fulfill man's declaration. God also has declarations, these are the deepest desires within God's heart made manifest by the power of His breath(His holy Spirit). God's Word is also His law, He never goes against it, in this sense, it serves as a double edged sword to Him, and hence goes forth from His mouth bearing equal power and authority as God Himself. Once God has spoken He cannot retract it back, His commands have Divine life and authority in them. The culmination of God's Life giving Word is His son. About 2000 years ago, by the power of His Breath(Holy Spirit), the Word of God took on flesh and dwelled amongst men, inorder to fulfill the Father's desire for man's salvation. John 1:1-5.
What are you talking about, his teaching is wrong and you are thanking him for that? Dude do you fallow Jesus or Allen? Cause they arent going in the same direction , he is arguing with the word , with Jesus words thats calling him a liar , so is that what you are doing too then? ? Are you calling Jesus a liar??so what are you thanking allen for? ?hes not going down the same road Jesus is , and there is no other way but Jesus way, you cant go against what Jesus says, he said the only way into heaven is through me and you must be born again to enter holy ground and when you get baptized you say you believe in the father the son and the holy spirit the god head trinity whatever you want to call it.
@@saralenagriffith6509 girl if u don’t leave🤣🤣🤣just because someone has a different opinion than u doesn’t mean u bash them, doesn’t seem very christian like of u
Jesus is God in human form, the rest is right😊 dont let this fool steal your faith he obviously has none, hes too proud to believe in something he cant figure out, and thats a shame thats why the Bible says we only need to have faith and believe his word even if we dont fully understand everything, we are only human , we are not even capable in figureing everything out, which is why faith is so important.
Commenting before seeing all of Allen’s message, but I came from Mormonism, and when I did completely surrender my life to God, at the time, I had not yet fully understood who God is. Through the power of the Holy Spirit, I quickly learned the truth of a triune God, and yet I was saved before learning that.
@@islamdefenderyahya4621 jesus actually did the word trinity is not found in the bible but trinity means 3 in 1 therefor if the bible speaks of god co existing within 3 different entities then my guy that is what the trinity is😹🤦🏾♂️
@@slft47 the trinity is false. There is nothing found in the bible that has anything to do with a trinity. Jesus didn't teach anything to do with a trinity. Jesus taught the complete opposite
The term “trinity” is found nowhere in the Bible. It’s actually called the Godhead; the term trinity stems from catholic doctrine - see Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20 and Colossians 2:9 KJV
I am in love with Jesus and he said, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day." The trinity is a blessing not just another doctrine.
@@jeffmartinek9969 why are you only loving the Father. When the Bible commands you to honor the Son as you do the Father. John 5:23 that all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. 👉🏻 *He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father* 👈🏻 WHICH HATH SENT HIM. How dare you only show love to the Father. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
Jesus said " if you do no believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." John 8:24 I don't think we need to understand the Trinity but we need to trust that He is who He says He is - The I Am Exodus 3:14
That means you're going against yourself. You're saying you don't need to understand the trinity, but by you using the word trinity, you're saying that you understand it. If you don't understand a word in your day to day life why then would you use that word. The fact that you're using the word trinity is saying that you understand what it means, otherwise why use that word.
I do understand and believe the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. My point in the above comment is that I don't think a person has to understand the doctrine of the Trinity at the moment of salvation but they MUST believe that Jesus is the divine Son of God. If not, they are not trusting in the true Jesus and a false Jesus doesn't save.
Exactly, all we need is faith thats all he is looking for, we as human beings arent capable of fully understanding everything, and he knows that, thats why he says have faith, and believe in his words, and i do , hallelujah!
Sara Griffith I fully understand how to get save John 3:16. If you believe that Jesus died and God raised home on the third day you are saved . That’s simple : God is not the author of confusion.
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the anointed one, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.” John 20:31
@Follow God Ministries exactly and they say that no one has ever seen god and yet Jesus lived on earth to preach and was sacrificed so have they seen the lord? It does not make sense .clearly states in the bible that Jesus is the gods son
Isaiah 29:13.The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught.
The passage is speaking of israelites which u are - not heathen (Acts 13:1) in Antioch certain teachers n prophets as simeon n barnabas called NIGER(israelites) Get a clue goof troop
@@johnconklin1039 get out of here satan. Don’t come at us with your false cultish antics. Your religion stole from the British Hebrew Israelites. You stole from our own oppressors 🤦🏽♂️
@@johnconklin1039 show me in the Bible where it says the Israelites are black 😂 😂 Jews were a diverse people, and race wasn’t even a concept in the Bible (or ancient antiquity).
Did the prophets believe in a “trinity”? Was the “trinity” revealed to Moses? Was Moses talking to “three distinct personalities”? Did Jesus preach a “trinity”? Is everyone in the OT not “saved” because the “trinity” was not revealed to them? Jesus didn’t tell the thief on the cross “accept the trinity and you’ll make it into heaven”.
@@onlydeen4913 If this is so, explain me John 12:41 "Isaiah said these things because he saw *his* glory and spoke of *him*." First of all, who is "him"? Verse 36 says "When *Jesus* had said these things". So 'his' and 'him' is about Jesus. That's not hard, I don't need a degree to figure that out. It is quite clear who this is about, simply by reading the text. And if someone says otherwise, then it is justified to question his ability to read and understand the english language. Ok with this said when did Isaiha saw Jesus glory?! He did this in his Vision of the Lord in Isaiah 6. In verse 1 Isaiah said: "In the year that King Uzziah died *I saw the Lord* sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple." So Isaiah said: I saw the LORD, the one God. In the OT Jesus wasn't mentioned by name and clearly not as LORD, so he definitely talks about God. But John said: Isaiah saw Jesus. If this does not mean Jesus is God, then we can throw away the bible because it lies at this point and is therefore not trustworthy. God cannot lie, so a book that contains a lie cannot be his word. And that would mean we don't know anything, we wouldn't know if Jesus really died for us and if he really rose from the dead and our whole faith would be garbage. This is what the apostle Paul himself says in 1 Corinthians 15. Let me say this clearly: when you say Jesus is not God, you are saying that scripture contains contradictions, that means you believe in a book that cannot be true and you throw away the complete faith in Jesus! The Bible is the only source about Jesus redeeming us. If it is not trustworthy, then what do you believe in?
The question is, “Can you REJECT the Trinity and still be saved? First off, we can agree that the Bible is clear about how a person is born again. It’s through faith in Christ alone( I.e. John 3:16).the Gospel is clear (1 Cor 15: 1-4). Secondly, once a person is truly born again, he/she is enabled by the Holy Spirit to believe in right Theology. As a new believer matures, he/she grows in Grace and Knowledge……” Though the Doctrine of the Trinity can never be fully comprehended it cannot be rejected by the true follower of Christ. Matt Slick makes it clear, “….anyone Who claims to be a Christian but openly and continually rejects the doctrine of the Trinity, is probably not truly saved”
Agreed. I like what John MacArthur commented on a similar doctrine that’s been often disputed. Penal substitutionary atonement. You can not fully understand the doctrine and still be saved, but if you reject it, you’re rejecting the very atonement that saves you.
I like your take on this topic and you're absolutely right. The Holy Spirit gives us room to grow in grace and understanding. However, should we apply this same principle to God's Sabbath? Is it jus as damnable to reject the fourth commandment or any other commandment as it is the doctrine of the Triniity? Or do you believe that obeying the moral law is not really important?
@@pearlygrace7607 For Christians under the New Covenant the Sabbath is not a day but a person (Jesus ) it is embodied in Him --it is not a day that we are called to observe like the Israelites but a promise that we are invited to, Heb 4::4--11--Matt 11:28,29
THE SHABBAT IS IN SCRIPTURES MOSHE THE PROPHETS THE MESSIAH ALL HIS FOLLOWERS SHAUL THE APOSTLE KEPT IT BUT NOT ONE OF THEM PREACHED OR MENTIONED THE HOLY TRINITY ACTUALLY THE SCRIPTURES SAY THE FATHER SON AND SPIRIT ARE ONE SO THAT'S A DOCTRINE OF MAN VAIN PHILOSOPHIES OF MAN BUT MANY CHRISTIANS REJECT THE LAWS STATUES AND COMMANDMENTS OF YAH AND YAHOSHUA DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME
Yes and also when man first sinned, God said , man has become like one of US. and again when building the tower of Babel, God said let US go down and confound their language. ( last passage clearer in KJV) So that's three times !!!! Amazing eh.
My uncle explained to me as a kid using an egg analogy… An egg has 3 parts, the shell, white, and yolk but it’s still one egg.. That summed it up for me..
That doesn’t really work eventually because You could know The Shell and Not know the Yoke. (Tho this does explain easily how something is 3 in 1 ). The simplest thing for me is thinking of human consciousness. You are yourself, your thoughts, and your knowledge/understanding. You, your Words, your Spirit, are One as You as a single being. If I read your words here I can you you as a person but not you as the person you are in “real life”…. I guess it’s not perfect.. But it seems easy to have “Modalism” where God has different Modes.. which can lead to serious issues.. 🙏🏼
@@kelvyquayo The main point I understood was 1 egg has 3 parts, but in conclusion it’s still one egg… It was a simple and concise way of explaining to a child what the holy trinity means.. So, in essence it worked perfectly and stayed with me into adulthood. My understanding has expanded and increased over time..
That’s basically how I’ve rationalized it but did it with humans. The concept is hard to grasp but God operates on another level so it is what it is lol
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@@Sacrifice-Paid : Don't you recall Allen mentioning the lack of trinitarian explanation by Jesus in the gospels and in the book of Acts. Even many scholars from a Trinitarian tradition admit that the idea of a Trinity was unknown to Moses and the prophets and to Jesus and his disciples.
@Tyler B #2 : You have completely missed the point. The God of Moses and the Jewish prophets, the God of Israel was unitarian. They knew nothing of a trinity.. The Jews of Jesus' time knew nothing of a trinity. Jesus and his Apostles were all Jews. They knew nothing of a Trinity and prayed to and worshiped the God of Israel. This is quite clear in scripture. Jesus even restates the Shema from Deut 6 :4 in the gospels.
I love the diving into the Greek! It just illuminates, amplifies, and clarifies SO WELL. (Same with Hebrew, for the OT.) I knew of a man who rejected Christ until his dying breaths, lying on a highway, struck off his motorcycle by a big-rig, and the driver of the tractor-trailer got out and down beside him, and quickly presented the gospel and the man who was struck accepted Jesus as Savior and passed instantly into eternity with Him. Absolute true account. Did that man have time to understand and embrace the Trinity? No. Is he with Jesus? Yes. What about those limited mentally who can understand Jesus' love and dying on the cross for them and accept Him with a childlike faith, but who will never understand the Trinity really? Can they be saved? Yes. Think of other barriers. That leads me to believe likewise with you, Brother Parr; those who have not grown in their faith to the point of not understand fully the Trinity yet/those who never will for a legitimate reason/those who do not yet understand, versus those who refuse and refute this truth from the Word of God, are utterly distinct groups. Only the Lord knows each heart and where/why any refusal is perhaps from confusion and which is from a hard heart. There are so many dynamics that can be factored into the "not understanding" group, but none of those factors ought to be an excuse for those of us with the ability, resources, and Bible-in-hand, for not diving deeply into this Holy mystery and coming out with a solid conclusion about. (Hopefully, the Biblical one.)
@@isaaclosh8606 no religion was 'made'. Jesus appointed his own disciples and mandated for the first century church to be established. Are you questioning Jesus's authority?
I agree we don’t need to fully understand Trinity, as I don’t think anyone really does. But in order to be saved, it is essential to believe that Christ is God.
Christ is NOT God The Acts 7:55 [55]But being full of the Holy Spirit, having fixed his eyes on heaven, he saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God,
@@jesusisnotgod4265 that is trinity father Jesus Holy Spirit is God if you don't believe Jesus is God you're wrong that doesn't mean 3 Gods but they are one God
God created man in His own image. God is a triune being ( Father, Son, Spirit ). Man is a tripartite being ( Spirit, soul, body ). When the Spirit of God joined to the Spirit of man there is new creation ( 1 cor 2:11, 1 cor 6:17, 2cor 5:17 ). Spirit,soul,body are distinct from each other, they work simultaneously, together as one, they have different function they are never been separated ...but man is a natural being so there is limitation in terms of space and time ..they are confined in one area only UNLIKE God who is a Spirit being, there is no limitation in terms of space and time as we can see in the baptism of our Lord Jesus Christ in the river of Jordan, God the Father spoke and the Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus ( matthew 3:17 ) ...We can clearly see their distinction but never a separate being. They are always one God being. They work, exist together as one.
I agree that Christ is God ... BUT he is not Almighty God. There is a difference!. The Trinity doctrine is not biblical, it is confusion. Check out my response in the comments.
Great explanation of rejecting and not understanding the Trinity at conversion. I loved this. Furthermore, I strongly agree Allen with your interpretation and we need to embrace the Trinity after we learn about it deeper after conversion, because it is part of regeneration. God Bless Brother 🙌.
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So why did Jesus say the Father is GREATER than I ? Why did Jesus say I can do nothing except the Father Commands me to do it. Jesus never said he was God Jesus said Our Father who art in Heaven. Jesus prayed to God. So you mean to tell me God prayed to Himself. The Trinity started in. Egypt by black people
For me, I accept God as he is. All of Him. I wouldn't want to miss out on any part of our Creator. I want all of Him and also to be available back to each part of him. A relationship with our one true God. God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I believe by faith.
I think someone who is new to the faith can be saved without knowing every nuance of the Godhead and the Triune nature thereof, however it must be stressed that someone actually knows that Jesus is the Son. But I do believe that if someone is saved then they will eventually be led to that truth.
So are you saying Jesus is not God then? For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God. Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. Acts 20:27-28 NKJV bible.com/bible/114/act.20.27-28.NKJV
@@bidzam I didn't say that. Jesus is God the Word (John 1:1, 1:14, 1 John 5:7, etc.) and by him all things were created. He is the Chief Corner Stone. He's 100% God 100% Man. All I'm saying is that people should know that with regards to the Godhead they should know He is the Son of God as we see from verses such as John 3:16 and numerous other places. So to deny Jesus is the Son is to deny those basic verses.
For seekers of truth only, 1. The Father has a name, the Son has a name. What is the name of the Holy Spirit? 2. In Paul’s epistles, why did he leave out salutations to the Holy Spirit? 3. Why is there no conversation recorded between the Father and the Holy Spirit or the Son and the Holy Spirit? 4. Isaiah 45:21, why is the Holy Spirit not mentioned in this verse? 5. Isaiah 57:15, the Father dwells only with the Son? 6. Matt 28:18-20 - Jesus commanded his disciples to baptise in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. However, his disciples in the book of Acts only baptise in Jesus name. Why? 7. Revelation 22:1, why is there a seat for Jesus but no seat for the Holy Spirit at the Great White Throne? If the Father is the Son and vice versa, why is there a need for separate thrones? 8. Why John 1:1 does not mention the Holy Spirit? 9. Why was 1John 5:7 only added in AD325? This verse is not found in scriptures before that time. 10. John 5:30, John 6:38, If the Son is also the Father, why would there be 2 wills? 11. John 10:30, why is the Holy Spirit not mentioned? 12. Revelation 5:7, why would God hand the book to Himself? 13. Revelation 11:15, why only mention Lord and Christ but not the Holy Ghost? 14. John 10:30, why Jesus did not include the Holy Spirit? 15. 1Cor 3:23, Christ belongs to God or Christ is God? 16. 2John 1:3, why John’s salutation also omit the Holy Spirit?
No, you cannot reject the Trinity and be saved. ²³That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him..." - KJV John 5.
@@briemuss05 If you only acknowledge the Father, you lose all. If you only honour the Father, you lose all. See how that works? No man comes unto the Father except through Jesus, anyone who tries to enter into Heaven, except through the Son, the same is a thief and a robber. There is no other way, that's why Unitarianism is false.
My opinion, it’s the most beautiful aspect of the nature of God. And it’s biblical. God didn’t need us for relationship yet he still made us to enjoy him.
Actually Jesus does want to have a personal relationship with us , he wants to be involed with everything we do, he wants to reveal his greatness in every way , he wants to be in the drivers seat , not just on Sunday hes not looking for a date but a marriage commitment , baptism is a marriage to God. Have you done it yet??
@@lmhayes60 seems like you deleted your last comment where you were posting wild things. And if your foundation is shaky that wouldn’t be good would it?
Thank you for addressing this Allen! I was with someone (long term relationship) who completely denied the triune nature of God and told me that Jesus is the Holy Spirit despite us discussing scriptures together in the KJV and ESV that outlined the distinction. He also told me my baptism didn’t count because I was baptized in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and not in Jesus’ name. Those situations could’ve shipwrecked my faith but I continue to grow in my walk with Christ through His Word and being lead by the Holy Spirit.
@@bidzam If one completely rejects the trinity, there’s a strong possibility that they reject other scriptures that outline who God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are meaning that they deny the sufficiency of scripture and backflips through scriptures to support heresy (modalism). Examples: Romans 8:34 KJV- Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. [Jesus is SEATED at the right hand of God, interceding for us] John 14:12-16 KJV - 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever [Jesus praying to the FATHER and sending ANOTHER COMFORTER, the Holy Spirit]
I fully agree and struggled with understanding when I was anew believer. Someone once explained it to me as water ice and h20 are simultaneously the same, it helped at the time lol. I do believe that over time the Holy Spirit will lead us to sound understanding and truth the more we spend time in the Lords’ word.
How many beings are on the throne in heaven? The answer is 2. Revelation 22:1,3 [1]And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB. [3]And there shall be no more curse: but the THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: John in prophetic vision only seen two on the throne in heaven. If the holy spirit was another god then John would have mentioned it. Paul in his letters to the different churches often greet them in the name of God and our Lord Jesus Christ but not in the name of the holy spirit: Romans 1:7 [7]To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. Philippians 1:2 [2]Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Galatians 1:3 [3]Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, No mention of a third being again. John and Paul are two witnesses, now let us look at a third witness. James 1:1 [1]JAMES, a servant of GOD AND OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. James is also in agreement and he did not mention a third being ruling in the heavens. Re-read the scriptures carefully and you will never see GOD THE SON OR GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT. You only see God the Father and his Son. The scriptures state: 1 Corinthians 8:6-7 [6]But to us there is but ONE GOD, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST, by whom are all things, and we by him. [7]Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge:...... I once believed in the trinity doctrine as well but now i know who my Father in heaven is and his precious Son Jesus is.
@@guitarpraise6035 here are what Isaiah, the apostles and God the Father say about Jesus... So there is *100% conclusive proof* of 2 Persons in one God.... then look at something like Romans 8:9 - Spirit, Spirit of God, Spirit of Christ... used interchangeable. Many more verse harmonise this also. 3 in One. *JESUS IS GOD* second person of the Trinity Hebrews 1:8 - The Father calls Jesus God 2 Peter 1:1 - Peter calls him God John 20:28 - Thomas calls him God Isaiah 9:6 - Jesus is called Everlasting Father and Mighty God! John 1:1 - The Word was God John 1:18 - Jesus is called the only God, at the Father’s side. Praise God 😊✝️
Ayah did you realise that actually Jesus is God? For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God. Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. Acts 20:27-28 NKJV bible.com/bible/114/act.20.27-28.NKJV
The Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ in you. Let us look at this matter closely: John 14:16-20 [16]And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he DWELLETH WITH YOU, and shall be IN YOU. [18]I WILL NOT LEAVE YOU COMFORTLESS: I WILL COME TO YOU. [19]Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. [20]At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I IN YOU. Jesus told his disciples that "he will come to them" and that "he will be in them". This is the hope of our glory "CHRIST IN YOU": Romans 8:9-10 [9]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his. [10]And if CHRIST BE IN YOU, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Why do you think Jesus said: John 16:7 [7]Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I GO AWAY: for if I go not away, THE COMFORTER WILL NOT COME UNTO YOU; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. Jesus had yet to ascend and while he was still walking with the disciples he could not send HIS SPIRIT to be with them. Let us briefly take a look at the word "Comforter" in the greek: The Greek word for comforter is G3875 which is PARAKLETOS. The defenitions for it is: 1. one who pleads another's cause before a judge, a pleader, counsel for defense, legal assistant, an advocate 2. one who pleads another's cause with one, an intercessor 3. in the widest sense, a helper, succourer, aider, assistant This Greek word is only found in the bible 5 times and "Comforter" is used 4 times (John 14:16,26; John 15:26; John 16:7) but it is used one time for the word "ADVOCATE" and who is this advocate? 1 John 2:1 [1]My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an ADVOCATE with the Father, JESUS CHRIST the righteous: Jesus is the only one who intercedes for us. Jesus is our helper and succourer (deliever). To understand that the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ is a beautiful revelation. We have someone who has been through our trials and tribulations. Someone who knows or struggles and can "COMFORT" us in our time of need. I pray that this strengthens your walk with Christ and view him as a personal Saviour that lives in you.
I totally agree with you. Thank-you! I use to be a Jesus Only/UPC believer. Man, did I allow myself to be brainwashed! Man, it was easy to get caught up in what they believe! Praise the LORD that with His help, I was able to SEE instead of remaining BLIND!
@@CP-qn1mn There is no trinity God Almighty says he is one and there is none beside him.God functions in many ways but he is one. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. God always told Israel that he was one. Christ and the Father is one. Jesus was flesh. The Word became flesh in Jesus his son. God was in Jesus. When Jesus died God left him. God is a Spirit and cannot die. Jesus became God when he was glorified before he ascended to heaven.
@@zarnoffa Yes we do need Jesus to be saved . Jesus death on the cross made it possible for us to be saved and our sins forgiven. It is grace and faith in Jesus Christ that makes it possible.
@@charlesstubbssr8353 OK, well you need the right Jesus to be saved… the Jesus Who was with the Father in the beginning and made all things. You can’t get that without at least a small intro to the Trinity… that Jesus is the Eternal Son of God.
Having been a former Mormon, God rescued me and opened my eyes to see the truth of the Bible. My husband, who is Mormon, refuses to see the truth of the trinity; as the Mormon doctrine teaches that God, Jesus & the Holy Ghost are three separate entities. Why? Because Joseph Smith, their founder, said he saw God, the Father & his son, Jesus Christ as separate & distinct from each other. Those who embrace the testimony of the Mormon doctrine refuse to believe the Biblical doctrine of the trinity. Yes, I believe when one refuses to accept the sound doctrine of the trinity, he refuses to accept other Biblical truths. Thank you Allen for this great teaching lesson.
They ARE three separate entities, three separate entity, one united Deity.. according to the trinity doctrine EDIT: If they weren’t separate entities then, Father = Son, Son = Spirit, and Spirit = Father Note: I’m not “Christian”
@@answeringchristianity7778 I don’t accept the trinity, just trying to clarify what the trinity is to people that claim they know the “truth”, basically correcting someone’s false belief about a false belief, a double negative
@@ScoobyDoo-ms9ou who is ALLAH ? GOD IS ALLAH . Hebrew speaking Jew says Allah is God czcams.com/video/NqHdVhVGwK8/video.html&pbjreload=10 czcams.com/video/gtKYYgyNONI/video.html IF U REJECT ARABIC TRY HEBREW...JEWS In biblical Aramaic they referred to “God” as " אלהא (Aláhâ/Elaha) or Elah (אלה) ”, in Hebrew “אֱלוֹהַּ \ אֱלֹהַּ elóah”( Elohim: elóah's grammatically plural form.), and Arabic is cognate “الله Allah”. NAMES OF GOD = /ELOHIM/ADONAI/ ALLAH ALLAH = U may find it in Arabic bible GEN 1 31 u will find the word ALLAH mention 31 time + in Hebrew language the word ALLAH IS GOD... JESUS = MORTAL VISIBLE HAS BEGINNING /END
As it is written, "the Lord our God is ONE." I think this erroneous belief of the Trinity lies in the book of Matthew when the disciples were commissioned to baptize in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. In Acts, the apostles understood that Matthew statement to mean Jesus, hence they baptized in Jesus's name rather than the three titles that All belong to Jesus. So there's no scriptural basis for the Trinity doctrine
if that is the case then please explain Genesis 1:26-27. Where in verse 26 it reads “God says let “us” make man in “our” image, after “our” likeness”. Yet in verse 27 it says: “So God created man in “his own” image, in the image of God created “he” him; male and female created he them.” So what should we make of these two verses back to back? Is God contradicting himself when he says “us” and “our” which are plural and possessive words then follows that up with “his own” and “he” which are singular? I think not. If God is not triune then what does he mean by “us” and “our”? Who is he talking to? The angels? The other heavenly creatures? Are we made in their images? Is he talking to himself? Surely the one true God and creator of the universe isn’t suffering from schizophrenia.
I’d also like you to explain John 1:1-3 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.” Because by your description Christ was a created being. This also contradicts John 1: 10-11, 14 where it reads: “He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” So by your logic God is one and Christ is God alone but by the scriptures we see that the Word who is Christ, was “with” God from the very beginning and not created. And not only was he “with” God but that he is God. So how can God be God and yet be with God at the same time unless he exist in different persons but equally in divinity and nature? 🤔
Essentially there is an abundance of evidence for trinity within Scripture. And the danger of denying such evidence leaves you with massive amounts to of “perceived” contradictions of scripture with scripture. All throughout scripture Jesus refers to the Father apart from himself. He prays to the Father, he calls upon the Father. Yet he says he and the Father are one. Please read John 16. It’s full of references of a triune God. “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.” John 16:13-15 KJV
You confirmed that Jesus is God, what Apostolic's been saying all along. Ur shortcoming is you say he is God, then you limit him by say he can't reach Father status. You my friend are saying he is limited. I'm serving an unlimited God.
@@jeremiahgibson4285 The trinity is not expressed in the Bible but in catholic creeds, written hundreds of years after Jesus and the apostles. The Lord Jesus said: "Father... this is eternal life that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent" John 17:1-3 How is it compatible with the trinity?
Praise the Lord my Brother! I'm almost 59 years old and can remember when my mom taught this back in the late 70's she was basically ostracized!!! Stand on the WORD 😊🙏🏽
What ?? Thats all wrong!! Hes confused hes false doctrine, he dont know what he is talking about. He dont read the bible if he did he wouldnt be questioning Gods words hed have faith but he is too proud to believe in what he dont understand.
@hfoerho look i understand you are having a hard time understanding this, and I am trying to explain it the easiest way possible, and wether you get it or not , preachers on TV are saying the same thing That the son the father and the Holy spirit are 3 in one and they go to the Gospel College, so i m sure they know what they are talking about, I had to watch it a few times. before it started making sense. Because God almighty is not a physical person with a body like ours hes not human and Jesus did not come from a man remember his mom was a virgen. And the Holy Spirit is God in us after we are baptized the Holy Spirit comes to live in our heart and he is our 3 way to God so God can be in more places at the same time and hes Gods servent watching our backs for him so we are never alone and he s always there when we call , the Holy Spirit is what they say is God in us, and Jesus they say is God in human form, it even says in the Bible remember he asked peter and who do you say iam its revealed several times in the bible. Biut i think Jesus didnt become God until he was baptized, God said this is my son and with him iam well pleased and 2 doves sat on his shoulders when he came up from the water and he was filled with the holy spirit, so God came to live in his heart, and thats when he started healing people and performing. miracles.You should watch the Hillsong channel they are always teaching on that channel and its a variety of preechers that come on , and ive really learned alot in 4 years ad a full time student, unfortunatly my upbringing did not consist of Jesus at all, sometimes i cant help but think how much better my life would of been had i known what i know now, its very important to teach kids about. Jesus its the best thing you could do for that child is the gift of God, and it makes them feel good to know they have a purpose and a father in heaven who loves them very much if i had known that i wouldnt of ran away to get pregnant, i have no regrets though thats actually what i consider the best thing thats evervhappen to me. At 15 years old i was praying to God to give me a baby and he did and he was beautiful , perfect nothing wrong. with. him at all , he was a good baby never fussy for no reason he was smart he spoke 2 languages by time he was 5, now hes all grown up with 3 kids of his own j.
How we arrive at the Trinity Step 1) Assert there is a Trinity Step 2) Project the idea of the Trinity into Implicit texts Step 3) Conclude these Implicit texts Individually support the Trinity. Step 4) Compile these Implicit texts to: Step 1) Assert there is a Trinity Secret Step 5) Make additions to the original text such as at 1 John 5:7 to fabricate an Explicit statement, even though it is not present in the oldest manuscripts. Remove God's name from the text and replace it with "LORD" to confuse whether Yeshua or Yehovah are being talked about. If it ain't explicitly stated, it ain't there.
Gen 1:26. God said let Us make man in Our image did God go thru you silly steps or should the 1st chapter of the bible be taken out john 1:1 needs to go to right why didnt you write the Bible God Almighty cant even keep His book whole and holy in your dead religion
@@jackvee9094 That's Not an Explicit Statement. You're projecting. Without something explicitly stated to project into the verse you can project whatever you want into it. However, things explicitly stated about who was around during the creation of man can be found at Job 38:7 and Colossians 1:15-17. But nothing explicit about him being Almighty God though 🤷🏼♂️
@@warriorforjesuschrist.1854 Who is Jesus talking to at Matthew 8:5-13 & Luke 7:1-9, The Army Officer, or Elders and Friends representing him? Likewise is God himself talking to Abraham? Or a representative speaking on his behalf? Exodus 33:20 is quite explicit on that matter. Without an Explicit statement to back you up you're just projecting.
I came up in a oneness pentecostal church. I believe most people there truly love The Lord and don't have an understanding of the oneness theology. But after coming back to the Lord in my mid 20s I was in a oneness church and I started questioning that "Jesus is the Son, God the Father, and also the Holy Spirit all in one" I started learning about the trinity doctrine and I let go of the oneness theology. I love the trinity it makes so much more logical sense of scripture and I believe it is a far better way of understanding the Bible.
This guy is false doctrine and you believe him?? Believe in Jesus, not this clown, he dont know what he is talking about get a bible and read it yourself, this guy is crooked and wrong!!
@@brando3342 my friend,we doing 100 questions or a Bible study here,if you have a comment regarding the post then go ahead...the question was asked,CAN A PERSON WHO REJECTS THE TRINITY DOCTRINE BE SAVED?i answered that from a biblical point of view,you have scripture that says otherwise??SHOW US and stop with your gymnastic games!
"In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God....and the word became flesh and dwelt among us"john 1...AMEN Jesus is God in human form!I believe it no one will tell me otherwise...God has sent a prophet of malachi4 and revelation
Rejecting implies man has put his own reasoning above what God has said and revealed about himself in scripture. If the gospel isnt triune in its aplication, its a false gospel, and if God isnt triune, there is no gospel. Thats my take on it 😊🙏
Well there are alternative views on describing the Godhead as the trinity tries to. So this shouldn't be an issue as the Godhead is never explained in the context. Recognising the deity of Christ is all that is required.
God is not triune, Deuteronomy 6:4, 1 Corinthians 8:6, 1 Timothy 2:5. The scripture gives us evidence of the Father, God. The Son, Yeshua, The Son of God who is God in nature and fullness and the Holy Spirit.
Rejection of Trinity may not be a big Theological issue for many but knowing more of Trinity will help to understand God more and his works in a different way. For me rejecting God Head means limiting God at a point and saying that he cannot be so (Triune God).
Hello Allen, am here in Uganda. Thank you for the teaching. I personally believe that rejection is distinct from not knowing fully the concept of Trinity. Rejection makes it clear that you don't believe in some parts of the bible yet the word is God Himself so you believe partly in God. Conclusion is that God will punish those that transgress and reject His word.
I like this one I believe it’s from Augustine. Reject the Trinity and risk or lose your soul. Try to explain or understand the Trinity and risk lose your mind. Blessings
Our God is not a God of confusion - if He wanted us to believe in a trinity He would have made it crystal clear in the Bible and Jesus would have taught on it - along with the apostles after him
Totally agree! There is a fundamental difference between understanding or not understanding the doctrine of the Trinity, and deciding to reject it because of lack of understanding. Thank you for such a clear reasoned and straightforward biblical explanation. God bless!
Where in the Bible does God say if you reject the doctrine of the trinity you can lose your salvation? He doesn’t! Surely if the trinity was part of salvation God would have plainly said so in His word so it was clear. But He didn’t - instead He repeatedly tells us that there is no other name by which men can be saved - Jesus Christ. Christ alone saves.
The Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ in you. Let us look at this matter closely: John 14:16-20 [16]And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he DWELLETH WITH YOU, and shall be IN YOU. [18]I WILL NOT LEAVE YOU COMFORTLESS: I WILL COME TO YOU. [19]Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. [20]At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I IN YOU. Jesus told his disciples that "he will come to them" and that "he will be in them". This is the hope of our glory "CHRIST IN YOU": Romans 8:9-10 [9]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his. [10]And if CHRIST BE IN YOU, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Why do you think Jesus said: John 16:7 [7]Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I GO AWAY: for if I go not away, THE COMFORTER WILL NOT COME UNTO YOU; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. Jesus had yet to ascend and while he was still walking with the disciples he could not send HIS SPIRIT to be with them. Let us briefly take a look at the word "Comforter" in the greek: The Greek word for comforter is G3875 which is PARAKLETOS. The defenitions for it is: 1. one who pleads another's cause before a judge, a pleader, counsel for defense, legal assistant, an advocate 2. one who pleads another's cause with one, an intercessor 3. in the widest sense, a helper, succourer, aider, assistant This Greek word is only found in the bible 5 times and "Comforter" is used 4 times (John 14:16,26; John 15:26; John 16:7) but it is used one time for the word "ADVOCATE" and who is this advocate? 1 John 2:1 [1]My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an ADVOCATE with the Father, JESUS CHRIST the righteous: Jesus is the only one who intercedes for us. Jesus is our helper and succourer (deliever). To understand that the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ is a beautiful revelation. We have someone who has been through our trials and tribulations. Someone who knows or struggles and can "COMFORT" us in our time of need. I pray that this strengthens your walk with Christ and view him as a personal Saviour that lives in you.
The Holy Spirit doesn’t convey anything about the Trinity. Just as the Holy Spirit never inspired any Bible writers to record the word trinity or it’s definition. There is another spirit that teaches the trinity, likely many. (1 TIMOTHY 4:1; 1 JOHN 4:1)
@@Failur3i5n0tan0pt1on the word trinity is an abbreviation of two different words Tri-unity. Why would the abbreviation of the name of a biblical doctrine be in the Bible. Can you show me the word Bible in the Bible. 🤦🏼♂️
@@pfp5364 I'm not sure as finite beings that we can fully comprehend an infinite God. 2nd Peter also talks about how some things in scripture is just hard to understand. However, the basics about God, salvation and etc. are very clear and foundational to our faith. You are right though, the Holy Spirit will help us and guide us along the way.
did you even listen to the video? There is a difference between "understanding" and "rejecting". Abraham did not fully "understand" Jesus, yet it was his faith in God's promise that was credited to him as righteousness. None of us could fully understand God.
I first saw you on Ruslan KD.. and have been enjoying your teaching's ever since..I liked your explanation about the Trinity.. I hang out with the Holy Spirit..every day..we have a real relationship.. He also teaches me about the Bible, and God, and Himself..and Yeshua. THANKS 😊 🙏
I am reminded of Jesus when being crucified there were two others being crucified with him One on either side of Jesus. One of the rebels rejected Jesus and the other one accepted him. Neither one of these true criminals had a perfect understanding of the Bible but they understood Jesus.
Your statement doesn't make sense First you say one of them rejected Jesus and the other accepted him, then you say both of them understood Jesus. If both of them understood Jesus, then both of them would be in paradise, but the scriptures say only one of them is in paradise. It confirms this in Luke, Jesus said unto him, not them. Luke 23:43 kjv - And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
@@markhorton3994 Yeah sure but I doubt the 2 thieves next to Jesus knew who Jesus was based on that. We don't even know if they studied the Old Testament. It was more likely they knew who he was because they were in his presence.
@@averagejoe4256 “Then one of the criminals who was hanged blasphemed Him, saying, If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us. But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, ‘Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.’ Then he said to Jesus, ‘Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.’ And Jesus said to him, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in paradise’” (Luke 23:39-43). One of the thieves, after joining with the other thief in mocking the Lord (Mark 15:32), recognized that Jesus was the Son of God and decided to ask for mercy and pardon. He offers up the simple prayer, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.” Jesus accepts His repentance and gives him the promise that the thief on the cross will be with him in paradise.
Thank you so much for your videos Allen! I am a teenager and your videos have really helped answer a lot of my many questions about Christianity. May God bless you and all of the work that you do!
Well just to let you know this guy does not know what he is talking about . I am a fallower of Jesus for 4 years now and i can tell you Allen is a false doctrine he s not right, hes confused , so themessages he is spreading are wrong!!
@GZS I agree, but thats the big mystery that will be revealed when we get to Heaven, i just wish people wouldnt argue and fight about it, I honestly dont think its that important.Jesus said what is important is that we love our neighbors as we love our selves and to love our God with all our heart and soul, even our enemies!!!could you imagine if everyone would go by that?
@@saralenagriffith6509 No mystery. Paul says that the Pre-Incarnate "Jesus" was GOD Himself -- but that God EMPTIED Himself of His Glory/Godhood to become/be made a physical Man (Phil 2:6-8). Peter taught that the PHYSICAL Jesus was not God, but the SON of God/Man from Nazareth that was INDWELLED BY GOD -- read Acts 10:38, 2:22, Matthew 16:15-16. THAT is why Jesus had to request that God RETURN to Jesus all of the Glory/Godhood that Jesus had before the world was made (John 17:4-5).
@@veritasmuy2407 i know what the Bible says, I ve been reading iit for the last for years and not just by myself, my TV stays on the Hillsong channel and I ve watched many sermons on this very topic by Joel Osteen , Ron Carpender, Micheal Todd, TD Jakes , Joyce Meyer, Christine Cain ,Brian and Bobbie Houston are just a few at the top of my head who has spoke about this topic, I dont suppose youre trying to tell me that Allen knows more than they do??He dont even come on TV at all, i wonder why?? He is false doctrine, he dont read the bible he skims through it , thats why he is confused and you are fallowing him?? Straight to hell. If you want to learn the Bible correctly , TV is a great way to go you got the Hillsong channel and TBN and they always have sermons and teachings from all kinds of certified preachers who have been to college. Allen does not fit in that category he is confused and argues with the word thats not good and its not going to get you into Heaven.
@@saralenagriffith6509 YOU: "my TV stays on the Hillsong channel.... Joel Osteen... TD Jakes.... -- *ME: LOL. No wonder you're so screwed up in your theology.*
8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. 9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. - Isaiah 55:8-9 Great video Allen ☺️
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@Laura t - that is where I was going with this too. We are a little bit like God but God is not very much like us. So why couldn't he be three in one? This is not a human we are talking about!
I agree with you Allen - I think even for someone who embraces the tri unity they may be honest enough to know they may not have the best scholarly explanation but be humble enough to say I’m still learning and growing in maturity for someone who rejects it and is still in a position that they are still learning and is humble enough to admit they are not 100% and quickly to seek peace and pursue it I think this is a positive situation to be in rather than someone who in haste and pride says all who believe in the tri unity are 100% heretics and has not humility for the process of learning and maturing in understanding It’s not a concrete response as much as I’d like but it’s what I can say for now 🙏🏿😎 I hope this helps someone - ohhh also when we look at the enemy why would he counterfeit with a demonic trinity and for love to truly exist for God to truly be love their must be reciprocation right - Selah
I don’t believe in the Trinity nor the Oneness. I don’t believe the Holy Spirit is a person. The Holy Spirit is God’s spirit. I don’t see the Holy Spirit nowhere in the throne either. Why people think Jesus is God: “The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact expression of His nature, sustaining all things by His powerful word. After making purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.” Hebrews 1:3 I believe what the Apostles believed: “yet for us there is one God, the Father. All things are from Him, and we exist for Him. And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ. All things are through Him, and we exist through Him.” 1 Corinthians 8:6 God is the Father and Jesus is His Son. Thats it. At the end, Jesus will return the kingdom back to his Father, God. “But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruits; afterward, at His coming, those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when He abolishes all rule and all authority and power.” 1 Corinthians 15:23-24
Well, to be honest, NO ONE fully understands the Holy Trinity - so a thorough understanding of it can not be a prerequisite for salvation. Believing in the divinity of Jesus is the first step, however, and the rejection of this truth, in my opinion, shows one's heart is not open to the truth. God's Holy Spirit will not draw someone to a false Jesus.
Yes we do fully understand the trinity and you absolutely must accept the triune nature of God. How can you believe in God if you are denying his very nature.
@@56pjr YOU CAN'T EVEN PROVE ITS IN THE SCRIPTURES NO ONE TAUGHT IT PREACHED IT BELIEVED IT BUT IF A MAN TELLS A LIE TO MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HOW MANY OF THEM WILL BELIEVE IT
"The Trinity" isn't biblical, and I used to be a Trinitarian. There is One God with no 3 personalities and there is no other God next to Him as God Himself has said.
God created man in His own image. God is a triune being ( Father, Son, Spirit ). Man is a tripartite being ( Spirit, soul, body ). When the Spirit of God joined to the Spirit of man there is new creation ( 1 cor 2:11, 1 cor 6:17, 2cor 5:17 ). Spirit,soul,body are distinct from each other, they work simultaneously, together as one, they have different function they are never been separated ...but man is a natural being so there is limitation in terms of space and time ..they are confined in one area only UNLIKE God who is a Spirit being, there is no limitation in terms of space and time as we can see in the baptism of our Lord Jesus Christ in the river of Jordan, God the Father spoke and the Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus ( matthew 3:17 ) ...We can clearly see their distinction but never a separate being. They are always one God being. They work, exist together as one.
@@breadofgod5520 ...Can our body, soul and spirit act independently of each other? Can we say that there is a father, son relationship between them? Ridiculous comparison! The Bible says that the body plus spirit (breath) becomes a living soul. It is an addition and not independent components. Dust + Breath(Spirit) = Living Soul Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." No trinity fantasy here!
@@breadofgod5520 ...Do you care about the truth and what Scripture says or do you desire to hold on to a trinity idol god? There certainly is a Spirit of God. The Spirit is of God and not God the Spirit. The body has no consciousness without the breath/spirit. Eclesiastes 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." See Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Those two verses alone explain what man consists of. God breathe the spirit/breath of life into dust and nothing else. Human beings are not a trinity. When we die, the breath is gone and the body returns to dust. There is not a third entity that floats around anywhere in scripture that's independent of the spirit/breath and dust. Can you prove your beliefs from scripture? Be careful to study for yourself and not depend upon lying preachers.
Full Refutation of Allen Parr's Video 1. 1:02 Rejecting the trinity would not be polytheism because Jesus is not defined as the true God. 2. 1:31 Matthew 28:19 says nothing about 3 persons coexisting eternally. Also just because it says a singular name does not posit the idea that they are one being, there are conjunctions (and) in between the names. 3. 1:51 Jesus is the First begotten Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God's angels worship him.” 4. 2:18 The requirement to pay for sins is a sinless sacrifice, that does not mean Jesus has to be eternal. 5. 3:30 You cannot have 1 God that is 3 distinct persons because that would be in violation of the law of identity. Also you change God (noun) to Godhead (adjective) proving you are being inconsistent. 6. 4:09 The father is greater than the son in John 14:28 You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. 7. 4:33 Jesus, Satan Inanimate Objects, and Men are all called Gods in Hebrews 1:8, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Daniel 5:23, John 10:34. But 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 claims there are many called god but there is only 1 God to us Christians 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth-as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”- yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. John 17:3 calls the father the only "True" God John 17:1-3 When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. 8. 9:10 The Criteria to be saved is in Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Therefore you can still reject the trinity in be saved. Leave this false doctrine and accept Christ. God the Father is the one true God, Jesus is the Son of God the first creation the word of God, The holy spirit is the spirit of God. Embrace Arianism.
@Rachel Love it you being open for wisdom and understanding which us never ending. Here is a 9min video with scripture proving Jesus was a prophet(Matthew 21:11 & Acts 2:22)/ servant instead of who Christians say he is. czcams.com/video/ZQD7-U2kDVY/video.html
To not understand vs To willfully reject are not the same thing. The OT beliefs foreshadowed the First Coming of CHRIST. So, they DID have an understanding of the TRINITY.
So if it is essential to embrace it once it's explained, where does that leave Marcus Rogers being that he has rejected it for many years and continues to do so? If I'm not mistaken you've stated you consider him a brother in the Lord, so I'm confused?
First of all, glad to find this channel, full of knowledge. Thank You from Indonesia. As a Christian, I believe what The Bible said (written by man through Holy Spirit). They explain it clearly of Trinity. I respect all denominations, but the truth is essential. Living in a moslem majority country, I frequently asked and sometimes mocked by this issue. But by Love, I share the gospel. May Peace be upon you all brothers & sisters.❤🇮🇩
Trinity is Idol worship! Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am he:before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me! 11 I, even I, am the Lord, and beside Me, there is no Savior.
With all due respect, you are mistaken. Read Isaiah 43:10 again, notice the phrase “I AM HE” now read Mark 13:6; Luke 21:8; John 13:19; John 18:5-8 and Revelation 2:23 in which Jesus Christ takes that phrase (which Isaiah 43:10 clearly applies to Yahweh God) and applies it to Himself. No other way to see this than Jesus claiming deity which the people recognized correctly that He was making that claim (John 10:33). Now that we have established indisputably that Jesus is deity is He a separate deity from the Father? Of course not, Jesus often affirms the “shema” in Deuteronomy 6:4-5 (Matthew 22:37; Mark 12:29-30; Luke 10:27) and in all certainty adhered to Monotheism. So how can two persons be associated with one God? Easy, they are the same God, not different. Jesus makes this clear in John 10:30, especially in the Greek as seen, ἐγὼ καὶ ὁ πατὴρ ἕν ἐσμεν (egō kai ho Patēr hen esmen). The Greek word ἐσμεν (esmen) means we are (as used in Mark 5:9; Luke 9:12; Luke 17:10; John 8:33; John 9:28; John 9:40; Acts 2:32; Acts 3:15; Acts 5:32) clearly indicating a plurality in persons but unity in substance. I would encourage you, instead of calling the Trinity an idol, submit yourself to learning more about the subject before speaking on it.
@@J.F.331 Checkmate! Mark 13:6 KJV For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many. Who are the many that come in the name Christ? Christians come in the name of Jesus Christ. No other religion! Which religion is the largest in the world? Christianity. Who are deceiving many with Christ crucified? Christians! 1Corinthians 1:23 But we(Gentiles) preach Christ crucified, a stumblingblock to Jews(blacks...most blacks), and foolishness to Gentiles. Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me( that includes Jesus and the holy spirit. Joshua 23:11 Take good heed therefore unto yourselves, that ye love the Lord your God. No Jesus nor Holy Spirit is mentioned. 13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumsoect: and make no mention of the name of other gods(Jesus Holy Spirit Buddha etc), neither let it be heard(the name of Jesus) out of thy mouth. What do Christian's and the camps do? Call on the name of Jesus and Yahawashi. Both name is called more than TMH the Creator Himself! Don't believe? Psalm 106:21 They(you & Christians) forgot God who saved them, who had done great things in Egypt. The reason why we are in captivity is because of our ancestors' disobedience to TMH and Christianity which was forced upon us you Run with instead of the True gospel..only for the lost sheep of Iseael(Matthew 15:24) A specific people! Not all the world which Jesus Christ crucified teaches. Our Book has been infiltrated with lies. It is your choice to believe the lie as in 1 Corinthians1:23 ...a stumblingblock blacks...most blacks and foolishness to the other nations. However you slice or dice it Christ crucified is a stumblingblockcand foolishness! It's right there in the scriptures!
John 1: 1-2 In the begging was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God. He was in the beginning with God. John 1: 14 and the word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the father, full of grace and truth.
@@julienandrejames8312 2Timothy 4:16 All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness. 2 Peter 1:20-21 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. Matthew 17:21-23 From that time Jesus Christ began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day. And Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him saying, “God forbid it, Lord! This shall never happen to you. ”But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.”
@@eliwilson1325 You haven't watched the video! Do so then respond. At this time you are pushing the devil's doctrine. Proof you are look up 1Corinthians 10:20 you'll see you are sacrificing to demons a s not to God!
One last thing to mention: James White did a statistical analysis showing that 90% of Christians who believe in the trinity hold a heretical view of it, and give different explanations of it. Not to mention salvation is clear in scripture. It has nothing to do with whether Jesus is God or not, but that He is God’s Son and the Christ (Matthew 16:16, and this is what GOD Himself revealed to Peter). I believe in all the tenants of the Christian faith, but the trinity is a stumbling block for me. I’ll keep seeking though. EDIT: James White is also a trinitarian
Yes tho, it foesnt logically follow that if one doesnt understand the trinity, as it is beyond pur comprgension, to say its wrong, is wrong. But continue serching the scriptures, pray to God to guide and lead you.
@@fiveSolas879 my thing is if it was essential doctrine, it would be clearly addressed as such by the apostles who paved the foundation of what the church should follow.
@chapter 404 I think there is a difference between getting the trinity wrong and say providing a bad analogy for the trinity. Ultimately, all analogies to the trinity fail in one way or another. I don't think not being able to explain it perfectly is the same as not believing in it. I think it is very likely that people believe the trinity even if they can't explain it and I don't have any issue with that, though I say it is MUCH better to learn so that you can explain it properly. That takes learning a lot about theology and sadly, many Christians today just don't bother the put other things aside to make that time to study. The simplest way I think it can be explained is - three "whos" and one "what". Three persons of God, the "whos" and one essence or substance of God, the "what". Feel free to ask any questions about the trinity and I will see if I can't answer some for you :)
@@brando3342 that’s my point. GOD shouldn’t be that hard to understand to the point where you have to use philosophy to explain Him. The trinitarian explanation is pure philosophy. I don’t believe anyone has a full understanding or can claim they understand the nature of GOD. As I said earlier, the scriptures tell us plainly Jesus is the Christ, the Son of GOD, and if we believe that we are saved.
@@chapter404th perhaps, tho bearing in mind, satan knows the triune God, means its not the 1st thing we are told by christ with regard to the great commision. But i agree with alan, if, altho not understood by someone, flat out rejects the trinity, then what else would they reject. Can the gospel be accomplished apart from God?
We are reconciled to the Father through the Son by the Spirit. The trinity is not biblical. That is a bold statement made in error. If God is Holy and God is a Spirit then what is the Holy Spirit. You are wrong about three distinct persons. There is One Father and One Son in One Spirit - Love.
yousaid that they are not three persons in the Trinity, but you also said that there is one father, one son and one spirit, it seems to me like you’re contradicting yourself what do you mean
@@e.t.h.559 a Spirit is not a person. A spirit is not visible but its effects are visible. Spirits in the scriptures are either 1. An emotion (i.e. spirit of jealousy or spirit of fear) 2. A wind or a breathe (an unseen force that is felt or perceived) 3. A motive or driving force (the spirit of a man) Never once in scripture is a Spirit a person. YHVH is a Spirit and His Spirit is omnipresent, His motive or driving force is Love, and His Love is made visible in His Son who is the express image of the invisible God. YHVH can not be seen but the work of His Spirit is visible and image of His Spirit is Yeshua. Yeshua is the Son of YHVH, YHVH is Love. Love is the Holy Spirit.
Your responses are a lovely demonstration of the many biblical ways there are of understanding the God. And these different ways often have little relevance to salvation.
If’s there are 3 distinct persons in the Godhead why did Jesus have to go up or be received into glory? Or why couldn’t the HG come down on his own that shows that the HG dwelt in Jesus which is the spirit of God!
Lies , lies , confusion and contradictions is all the doctrine of the trinity is . Again the Holy Spirit is GOD himself whom comes to dwell within us just as he did with his Son fully at his baptism . 1 Corinthians 3:16 know ye not that ye are the temple of GOD and that the Spirit of GOD dwelleth within you . No trinity no deception .
You absolutely do not have to be a trinitarian to be saved. The word clearly says if you believe that The Son is the messiah and savior you will be saved. It never says if you don't believe that Son is also the Father and also the Holy Spirit but the three are also different but also the same, then you won't be saved. Its a catholic doctrine.
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Yes, you can! Jesus said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And you are witnesses of these things. Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.” Luke 24. Jesus speaks of each member of "the Trinity" in this passage, yet He COMMANDS THEM to "preach" repentance and forgiveness IN HIS NAME and to WAIT for "power" promised by His Father. However IMPLIED, Jesus' command does NOT include the teaching of the Trinity. I JUST quoted the passage! It does NOT include Faith, Grace, or Trinity. But it DOES include sin, death, resurrection, witnessing, Jerusalem, and ALL nations.
this has nothing to do with it. I understand the passage you are quote but you still have to believe in all three. they are one in the same. God is the father of creation, his son Jesus was sent to die for us and the holy spirit is what keeps us because Jesus left the earth. the holy spirit also make intercession when we talk to God.
You should study and see how the Bible uses the word, "Name". It does not mean the 5-letter word that was given to the Son of God, but in the scriptures, the NAME refers to the personage of the individual, or the characteristics. In the O.T. God said to worship Him I'm the gate where He would place His NAME. That does not mean where He would literally inscribe, "YHWH", or "Jehovah", etc. Look in the book of Revelation. Revelation 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. It is clear that "names" is referring to the individuals, not to the titles which they are called by. Also in Revelation Jesus' "name" is called: The Word of God King of Kings Lord of Lord's The beast is said to have the "name" of, " MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." Etc. We can see that the name is referring to characteristics of the person, which is who the person IS. To say that you believe in Jesus, but to deny that He is the 3rd person of a Trinity, (if true, which I do not believe) would mean that you do NOT believe in the TRUE Jesus, but one of your own imagination or liking.
@@Chinama104 Jesus says you must be born again, of WATER and of the SPIRIT, or else you CANNOT even SEE the Kingdom of God, much less TALK about it. Peter, early in the book of Acts, regularly re-states what Jesus stated in Luke. It involves "heart" repentance, and then identifying with the death of Jesus by being baptized, and ONLY as a result of these CHANGES, may someone receive the Holy Spirit. Paul says in Romans 8 that if you DON'T have the SPIRIT of Christ, then you DON'T belong to Him. Multitudes of Protestant and Catholic personalities venture to make pronouncements about "the Trinity" but then reject these principles that I am presenting. It was not I who made these principles up. They come from Heaven itself.
"Can you still be saved and yet deny the Trinity?". The answer is simple: NO. The Holy Trinity, although incomprehensible because of the being of God, and His infinite and vast nature, it has been revealed that the Trinity is important in salvation because the three persons of the Trinity: The Father, Son and Holy Spirit work together in one essence and in three persons to redeem sinful man. To ever take away one of the persons of the Trinity or to even DENY them as being One God in essence is to just condemn the Gospel essentially.
@@truth1844 Actually, the Hebrew word "Elohim" meant a plurality of persons in One God so basically they were worshipping the Trinity without them realizing it. There is One God in essence, but three persons that share and are in one eternity, essence, substance, and power.
@@centurion1314 ...😂 So plurality means 3? or 4 or 5 or 93? So, if the Father is talking to his Son, does that make them automatically equal and a trinity?😂 Do you not see that your trinity concept is pure conjecture and based upon a fantasy concept not supported by Scripture? Have you bothered to look up the true trinity teaching which involves co-equal, co-substantial & co-eternal for each of the 3 gods and that this CANNOT be supported from Scripture? Three persons = Three gods. No way around it. It's not a mystery, it's just a lie.
@@truth1844 Well... if that's what you want to believe, then I wont stop you. All I confess is that I believe in One God that coexists in three persons and they are equal in power, honor and glory.
@@centurion1314 ... Feel free to believe what you want to, it's just not biblical. There is no trinity god taught by Jesus, the prophets or the apostles. Imagining things that are not in Scripture isn't Christianity.
@DoJChc-19c. The point is, just because the word refrigerator is not found in the NT. Doesn’t mean that they didn’t keep things cold. The absence of words does not nullify concepts.
Baptizing them in the NAME. Whos name? It is Jesus, thats why Peter said in Acts 2:38 Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, then you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit is not a three persona they are titles of God. God the Father (Father of Creation) God the Son (Son of Redemption) God the Holy Spirit (Holy Spirit of Regeneration/Spiritual renewal/Revival)
@@michaal105 I think you are the one who is heresy. You are deceived by the trinity belief that three personas of God. God is a Spirit, not a person. Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
@@michaal105 Trinity is a false doctrine, don't listen to Allen. Jesus Christ is the Father. Jesus Christ claimed if you've seen me, you've seen the Father. Jesus Christ is also the Holy Ghost...Christ in you the hope of glory. Jesus Christ is the son. The trinity claims that they are 3 persons in one God, but the Bible truth is that there is one God that manifest himself in 3 OFFICES. Offices is different from persons. Persons means that there are 3 Gods and they are different from each other. Office means that their is One God, that plays 3 different roles....and not 3 Gods playing 3 different roles.
@@flyman2608 That's the heresy of Modalism my friend. When Jesus went up by Himself to pray, He was actually going and praying. You say He prayed to no-one, which isn't Biblical. As the Scriptures say, He prayed to the Father. And when Jesus was on Earth and a voice came from heaven saying "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased", some-one was actually speaking my friend. When Jesus asked the Father if the cup could pass from Him... He was doing just that. You need to repent of the false modalism heresy my friend. It's not what the Bible or the early church taught.
@@seekersofchrist1638 That's the heresy of Modalism my friend. When Jesus went up by Himself to pray, He was actually going and praying. You say He prayed to no-one, which isn't Biblical. As the Scriptures say, He prayed to the Father. And when Jesus was on Earth and a voice came from heaven saying "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased", some-one was actually speaking my friend. When Jesus asked the Father if the cup could pass from Him... He was doing just that. You need to repent of the false modalism heresy my friend. It's not what the Bible or the early church taught.
I think your sermon or teaching session clearly gives us the answer... you say over and over the "doctrine of the Trinity" which is not in the Bible at all... the word Trinity is not in the Bible... only its concept. So the "doctrine of the Trinity" doesn't exist when it comes to salvation. Salvation comes through faith in the realization of who Jesus is and what He did for you and if you receive that. After that, if you study the scriptures, now with the Holy Spirit, you will grow and learn over time all things as the Lord reveals them to you (but at that point you are ALREADY SAVED). No one can even understand scripture (1 Cor. 2:14) or say Jesus is Lord (1 Cor. 12:3) without the Holy Spirit. That is biblical.
@@mattmurdock2868 My point is that understanding that or most of the things in the Bible doesn't dictate salvation... these are two separate issues. One cannot even understand scripture without the Holy Spirit and that was my point. However, I do believe that some people get divine revelation and understanding of who Jesus is and what He did and still can reject it. We do have free will.
@@vansantos5772 exactly, half these theologians aren’t even filled or walking in the power of the Holy Spirit so can only understand the bible carnally
I’ve been observing your content on CZcams for a few months now and this was the video that made me hit the subscribe button. I used to be quick to subscribe to other Christian CZcamsrs after a couple of their videos “seemed” right only to discover later on that their views on some of the basic tenets of Christianity such as the Trinity is completely off. Great video!
Well the Trinity is off as we speak. It's not three persons but three roles God works in. Not modes as the modalistic view but God is capable of doing so due to his omnipresence.
@Timbo Slice the same Father in heaven that the voice came forth representing him, was the same spirit that proceeded from him taking the shape of a dove; and was the same Son & man Jesus, by which and as whom he was manifest on the earth. Jesus the Heir /Son of God is the only means by which and as whom God the Father in person and by his Holy Spirit is manifest to us and in his creation as a whole. This was true in the beginning: God the Father manifested as the creator by and as his Son in person. This is fully supported in both old & new testament scripture. Even when the Son was on the earth, this was also still true in heaven ...God the Father was still in his throne in the fullness and Glory of & inclusive as his Son. Jesus even mentions this of himself in his prayer in John 17:5. And John 16:14-15, he declared all that the Father has is his. -Jesus said of the Holy Spirit ...that it's the Spirit of your Father that speaks in you (Mat 10:20) -the actual impartation of himself shared with his children -not some other or other Spirit, it's him. The apostles understood this: Ephesians 4:6 ⁶ One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. The church fathers lost this truth and replaced it with the man made doctrine of the trinity. God the Father, his Son and his Holy Spirit are the same being, Spirit, Person & God. Not 3 separate persons nor 3 separate offices, both of these are wrong.
My brothers and sisters we have one God who works in three attributes we don't have three thrones in heaven with the Father,Son,And Holy Spirit.Read the book of Revelation carefully....It reveals Jesus Christ explaining that He's God. You can't say that Jesus lied when he said in revelation 21 7 that he will be our God and is his sons
: Actually, verse 5 states that it is the one seated on the throne. Throughout Revelation, the one seated on the throne is God, not Jesus. If Jesus is 'God' who is God's God? In Rev 3 :12, Jesus talks about his God four times in one verse. By any understanding of language, if Jesus has a God........
Yes!! I luv it. We have to grow in God. It's a process. He will reveal to us what we need to know. If we lack understanding/wisdom, He will give it to us.
Hes too proud too believe in something he cant figure out. The bible say have faith many times, probably cause its important, that tells me i might not comprehend everything how could i im only a human not almighty . Stop questioning the king and be an obedient servant and just do what he says. Why waist precious time on stuff that is not important?Luckily our God is good and patient and understands .
For it to be self-contradictory, you'd have to assume that God means one person, which the Bible never says that, therefore it's not contradicting itself. The Bible has examples of multiple persons making up one. With that logic, you'd have to start rejecting the inerrancy of Scripture as well, because other passages would start to be called contradictions too. If you start with the false assumption that God is one person, then you end with a contradiction, but the Bible doesn't give us that false assumption to start with. The Bible is clear that God is one, there is one God, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God, but yet they're not the same person. What you choose to do with that information is up to you.
God created man in His own image. God is a triune being ( Father, Son, Spirit ). Man is a tripartite being ( Spirit, soul, body ). When the Spirit of God joined to the Spirit of man there is new creation ( 1 cor 2:11, 1 cor 6:17, 2cor 5:17 ). Spirit,soul,body are distinct from each other, they work simultaneously, together as one, they have different function they are never been separated ...but man is a natural being so there is limitation in terms of space and time ..they are confined in one area only UNLIKE God who is a Spirit being, there is no limitation in terms of space and time as we can see in the baptism of our Lord Jesus Christ in the river of Jordan, God the Father spoke and the Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus ( matthew 3:17 ) ...We can clearly see their distinction but never a separate being. They are always one God being. They work, exist together as one.
The problem with Oneness is they deny both the Father and the Son AND they make the relationship of love between the Father and Son into a charade… just a show, not an actual relationship. How horrible! It’s not as benign as you may want to think.
I remembered this content while I was reading devotionals. In an event at Acts 19, they didn't even know about the Holy Spirit but they were called disciples. But we can also see in that passage that when we knew about the Trinity it is our responsibility to share it to those believers who doesn't know it.
I'm 100% with you Alan, this is how I've always felt about it. I believe The Holy Spirit teaches us and holds us responsible, but Jesus is who we initially turn to for salvation. Rejecting the nature of God is probably a result of not being born again or having The Holy Spirit, and so it only stands to reason that rejecting the Trinity is a sign that someone indeed isn't saved.
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Your argument that the trinity is necessary for salvation is based on already having the conclusion that the doctrine of the trinity is true, AND that people who don’t believe it are purposefully rejecting the nature of God. I believe in the Trinity, but the people like Owen Benjamin and Austin Witsit who have argued against it would talk circles around you. They aren’t dishonest people who are going to burn forever in hell just because they think the Son of Man isn’t literally God. Stop being a pharisee
1. Trinity is not biblical, just a false doctrine 2. Salvation is not depended on any human doctrine. 3. The Father/Son/Holy spirit are not persons but distinct authorities of God.
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“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” 1 John 5:7 John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us (Jesus) and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the father, full of grace and truth.
... "For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity (honesty); to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the catholic religion; to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords." ~ Athanasian Creed the official church statement concerning the Trinity or We must say with out lips there is only one God even though we acknowledge our belief that there are three separate and distinct Gods.
Can a person flat out REJECT the Trinity and still be saved? Is this a requirement for salvation? Let me know your thoughts below in the comments. Enjoy!
No
No.
I emailed you last week for advice. Still no response. ):
No
This was a good discussion. Posted my replies elsewhere.
Thanks
There is a big difference between REJECTING the doctrine and not understanding the Trinity 🤔
Agreeee siiir🙌🏾
I agree, rejecting it means you are on the right path to the truth. There’s only one God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
@@j.nelson2811 That's Unitarianism, a False Doctrine.
Very very true!
@@j.nelson2811 Anyone saying God is father, son, the holy spirit and they are all God then they are saying God is three beings. Period. There is only one God not three.
I’m not gonna lie, I’m a Bible believing Christian who believes in the trinity but it’s so difficult to comprehend this concept.
I've always heard it compared to a home baked cherry pie. If you cut that into 3 equal pieces, you can see the three pieces in the pan. But on the inside, the filling has no lines and is one filling. My beliefe is like this...we can't handle God as one entity, so He gave us himself as three persons..smaller portions.
@@DavidWWhite1973 that’s modalism
If it causes confusion it's not of God. “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”
- 1 Corinthians 14:33 (KJV)
@@4-wardcommunicationsllc56 “one” God is interpreted by the Jewish scribe and confirmed by Jesus at Mark 12. “HE is one and there is no other but HIM.” God is one person not one God consisting of three persons. The trinity doctrine jumps back and forth from modalism to tritheism.
It's easy to understand;
God spoke the universe into existence by His Living Word (Manifested as Jesus in the flesh), and by the aid of His Breath (Holy Spirit - Same Spirit He breathed into Adam after molding the clay, same Spirit hovering over the waters of the esrth in Genesis, Same Spirit that anointed the church at Pentecost).
Simplified: You have a Spirit and breath, God the Father does too, His Spirit is called the Holy Spirit, because Only God is holy.
God created man in his image, able to make declarations, curses and blessings, speak forth laws, say prayers, etc. If man's declarations and prayers align with God's plan, He will fulfill man's declaration. God also has declarations, these are the deepest desires within God's heart made manifest by the power of His breath(His holy Spirit). God's Word is also His law, He never goes against it, in this sense, it serves as a double edged sword to Him, and hence goes forth from His mouth bearing equal power and authority as God Himself. Once God has spoken He cannot retract it back, His commands have Divine life and authority in them.
The culmination of God's Life giving Word is His son.
About 2000 years ago, by the power of His Breath(Holy Spirit), the Word of God took on flesh and dwelled amongst men, inorder to fulfill the Father's desire for man's salvation. John 1:1-5.
Jesus didn't say anything about believing in the trinity. He said believe in me.
Amen!
Amen
Matthew 28:19
I appreciate ur teaching. Pleade add an undertitle for the deaf
What are you talking about, his teaching is wrong and you are thanking him for that? Dude do you fallow Jesus or Allen? Cause they arent going in the same direction , he is arguing with the word , with Jesus words thats calling him a liar , so is that what you are doing too then? ? Are you calling Jesus a liar??so what are you thanking allen for? ?hes not going down the same road Jesus is , and there is no other way but Jesus way, you cant go against what Jesus says, he said the only way into heaven is through me and you must be born again to enter holy ground and when you get baptized you say you believe in the father the son and the holy spirit the god head trinity whatever you want to call it.
@@saralenagriffith6509 girl if u don’t leave🤣🤣🤣just because someone has a different opinion than u doesn’t mean u bash them, doesn’t seem very christian like of u
We will fully understand the Trinity when we get to heaven, for now we gotta work with what God has given us in the bible
Yes there are several things that our finite minds just can't comprehend.
@@PastorVaughn Yes true
Genesis 1:26 it was never a secret
@Desire Of All Nations your religion made by man is amazing but i will stick with Jesus thanks
@Christoferus that way powerful
God - Almighty God
Jesus - God with us
Holy spirit - God in us
Thanks, that actually helps me understand it a bit more :)
Amen. YHVH speaks YHVH about YHVH eternally. We hear Him, know Him, and believe Him. Hear His Voice Believe His Name Have His Spirit ❤️🙏🏼
Amen sir
Jesus is God in human form, the rest is right😊 dont let this fool steal your faith he obviously has none, hes too proud to believe in something he cant figure out, and thats a shame thats why the Bible says we only need to have faith and believe his word even if we dont fully understand everything, we are only human , we are not even capable in figureing everything out, which is why faith is so important.
So is that the trinity?
Commenting before seeing all of Allen’s message, but I came from Mormonism, and when I did completely surrender my life to God, at the time, I had not yet fully understood who God is. Through the power of the Holy Spirit, I quickly learned the truth of a triune God, and yet I was saved before learning that.
So thankful you found truth and Gods precious Grace !
Has Jesus Teach 3NTY ? the Answer Never ...lord Our God is One / u will Roast
@@islamdefenderyahya4621 jesus actually did the word trinity is not found in the bible but trinity means 3 in 1 therefor if the bible speaks of god co existing within 3 different entities then my guy that is what the trinity is😹🤦🏾♂️
@@slft47 the trinity is false. There is nothing found in the bible that has anything to do with a trinity. Jesus didn't teach anything to do with a trinity. Jesus taught the complete opposite
@@slft47 See my Humble chnl as i Explain 3nty is a Demonic Teaching
The term “trinity” is found nowhere in the Bible. It’s actually called the Godhead; the term trinity stems from catholic doctrine - see Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20 and Colossians 2:9 KJV
I am in love with Jesus and he said, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day." The trinity is a blessing not just another doctrine.
@@jeffmartinek9969 Jesus didn't 'know He was the Trinity' because he isn't the Trinity
@@jeffmartinek9969 John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
@@jeffmartinek9969 why are you only loving the Father. When the Bible commands you to honor the Son as you do the Father.
John 5:23 that all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. 👉🏻 *He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father* 👈🏻 WHICH HATH SENT HIM.
How dare you only show love to the Father. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
@@268Jamal I and my Father are one... one what?
@@jeffmartinek9969 what does that have to do with giving the same honor to the Son as you do the Father.
Jesus said " if you do no believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." John 8:24 I don't think we need to understand the Trinity but we need to trust that He is who He says He is - The I Am Exodus 3:14
That means you're going against yourself. You're saying you don't need to understand the trinity, but by you using the word trinity, you're saying that you understand it.
If you don't understand a word in your day to day life why then would you use that word. The fact that you're using the word trinity is saying that you understand what it means, otherwise why use that word.
Thats right, this guy is too proud to believe in something he cant figure out , he lacks faith big time.
I do understand and believe the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. My point in the above comment is that I don't think a person has to understand the doctrine of the Trinity at the moment of salvation but they MUST believe that Jesus is the divine Son of God. If not, they are not trusting in the true Jesus and a false Jesus doesn't save.
If we had to completely understand something in order to be saved no one would be saved.
Exactly, all we need is faith thats all he is looking for, we as human beings arent capable of fully understanding everything, and he knows that, thats why he says have faith, and believe in his words, and i do , hallelujah!
Fully agree with you. Check out my response to Allen's message.
@@Berean-1711 where is it?? In the beginning where theres 300 replies??
Sara Griffith I fully understand how to get save John 3:16. If you believe that Jesus died and God raised home on the third day you are saved . That’s simple : God is not the author of confusion.
@@jackierawl6955 What about repentance? Jesus said you can’t be saved without repenting of your sins (Luke 13:3).
Thank you Brother Allen. You put out the points to your position very accurately and I concur with you!
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the anointed one, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
John 20:31
The trinity is an Antichrist doctrine. The trinity calls God a liar for it teaches that Christ is just a metaphorical Son.
You say it rightly "Son of God" NOT "God the Son". Check out my response to Allen's message.
@Follow God Ministries exactly and they say that no one has ever seen god and yet Jesus lived on earth to preach and was sacrificed so have they seen the lord? It does not make sense .clearly states in the bible that Jesus is the gods son
Yea that body.. but it’s still 1 God lol
God is just a title
Isaiah 29:13.The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught.
The passage is speaking of israelites which u are - not heathen
(Acts 13:1) in Antioch certain teachers n prophets as simeon n barnabas called NIGER(israelites)
Get a clue goof troop
@@johnconklin1039 get out of here satan. Don’t come at us with your false cultish antics.
Your religion stole from the British Hebrew Israelites. You stole from our own oppressors 🤦🏽♂️
@@chapter404th then maybe u can explain why the bible says the israelites are black - ill wait the original britsh were black goof troop get a clue
@@johnconklin1039 show me in the Bible where it says the Israelites are black 😂 😂
Jews were a diverse people, and race wasn’t even a concept in the Bible (or ancient antiquity).
Amen. As said in the scripture, none truly seek God, out hearts are truly evil. Thank you Jesus for dying for us anyway!
THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF LANGUAGES IN THIS WORLD AND MY MAN DECIDED TO SPEAK FACTS...
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exactly
Ask for God to open your eyes to the truth. Pray for discernment cus y'all lost
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Did the prophets believe in a “trinity”? Was the “trinity” revealed to Moses? Was Moses talking to “three distinct personalities”? Did Jesus preach a “trinity”? Is everyone in the OT not “saved” because the “trinity” was not revealed to them? Jesus didn’t tell the thief on the cross “accept the trinity and you’ll make it into heaven”.
Facts bro, this is a doctrine of Rome Italy not the holy scriptures
@@onlydeen4913 If this is so, explain me John 12:41 "Isaiah said these things because he saw *his* glory and spoke of *him*."
First of all, who is "him"?
Verse 36 says "When *Jesus* had said these things". So 'his' and 'him' is about Jesus.
That's not hard, I don't need a degree to figure that out. It is quite clear who this is about, simply by reading the text.
And if someone says otherwise, then it is justified to question his ability to read and understand the english language.
Ok with this said when did Isaiha saw Jesus glory?! He did this in his Vision of the Lord in Isaiah 6. In verse 1 Isaiah said:
"In the year that King Uzziah died *I saw the Lord* sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple."
So Isaiah said: I saw the LORD, the one God. In the OT Jesus wasn't mentioned by name and clearly not as LORD, so he definitely talks about God.
But John said: Isaiah saw Jesus.
If this does not mean Jesus is God, then we can throw away the bible because it lies at this point and is therefore not trustworthy. God cannot lie, so a book that contains a lie cannot be his word. And that would mean we don't know anything, we wouldn't know if Jesus really died for us and if he really rose from the dead and our whole faith would be garbage. This is what the apostle Paul himself says in 1 Corinthians 15.
Let me say this clearly: when you say Jesus is not God, you are saying that scripture contains contradictions, that means you believe in a book that cannot be true and you throw away the complete faith in Jesus! The Bible is the only source about Jesus redeeming us. If it is not trustworthy, then what do you believe in?
@@lazyleguan489 that was beautiful
@@lazyleguan489 You must be reading my comment wrong. I believe and preach that Jesus is God Almighty, not the 2nd Person in the Godhead.
@@onlydeen4913 MT.223 is very critical and all against the trinity, and i read your comment as agreement to his statement. maybe i got it wrong
The question is, “Can you REJECT the Trinity and still be saved? First off, we can agree that the Bible is clear about how a person is born again. It’s through faith in Christ alone( I.e. John 3:16).the Gospel is clear (1 Cor 15: 1-4). Secondly, once a person is truly born again, he/she is enabled by the Holy Spirit to believe in right Theology. As a new believer matures, he/she grows in Grace and Knowledge……” Though the Doctrine of the Trinity can never be fully comprehended it cannot be rejected by the true follower of Christ. Matt Slick makes it clear, “….anyone Who claims to be a Christian but openly and continually rejects the doctrine of the Trinity, is probably not truly saved”
I agree 💯 with you ☺️ yes 📖
Agreed. I like what John MacArthur commented on a similar doctrine that’s been often disputed. Penal substitutionary atonement. You can not fully understand the doctrine and still be saved, but if you reject it, you’re rejecting the very atonement that saves you.
I like your take on this topic and you're absolutely right. The Holy Spirit gives us room to grow in grace and understanding. However, should we apply this same principle to God's Sabbath? Is it jus as damnable to reject the fourth commandment or any other commandment as it is the doctrine of the Triniity? Or do you believe that obeying the moral law is not really important?
@@pearlygrace7607 For Christians under the New Covenant the Sabbath is not a day but a person (Jesus ) it is embodied in Him --it is not a day that we are called to observe like the Israelites but a promise that we are invited to, Heb 4::4--11--Matt 11:28,29
THE SHABBAT IS IN SCRIPTURES MOSHE THE PROPHETS THE MESSIAH ALL HIS FOLLOWERS SHAUL THE APOSTLE KEPT IT BUT NOT ONE OF THEM PREACHED OR MENTIONED THE HOLY TRINITY ACTUALLY THE SCRIPTURES SAY THE FATHER SON AND SPIRIT ARE ONE SO THAT'S A DOCTRINE OF MAN VAIN PHILOSOPHIES OF MAN BUT MANY CHRISTIANS REJECT THE LAWS STATUES AND COMMANDMENTS OF YAH AND YAHOSHUA DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME
*The problem with deception is that people don’t know that they are deceived* 🤔😢
Isn't that, like, a key component for the formula of deceit? Trickery, cheating, lying, truth hiding, ect.
Your right ✅ deception is listening to lying spirits
You copy and paste this your line in every of your response to Allen. Is there something you want to tell us?
@@chinweezeilo3643 Allen believes in false doctine OSAS and he preaches from false bibles.
@@beaker7774 Pls who has the true doctrine?...the last time I checked Jesus did not write any.
Genesis 1:26 makes the trinity clear from the beginning. "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness....."
Was always their why dont people see it
Yes and also when man first sinned, God said , man has become like one of US. and again when building the tower of Babel, God said let US go down and confound their language. ( last passage clearer in KJV) So that's three times !!!! Amazing eh.
@@daveyboy6985 yeah love it
How do you read specifically three into "Let Us". Why isn't is four, or 20 or 100?
@@FrancyFam7 your religion has made you whole?
My uncle explained to me as a kid using an egg analogy… An egg has 3 parts, the shell, white, and yolk but it’s still one egg.. That summed it up for me..
That doesn’t really work eventually because You could know The Shell and Not know the Yoke. (Tho this does explain easily how something is 3 in 1 ). The simplest thing for me is thinking of human consciousness. You are yourself, your thoughts, and your knowledge/understanding. You, your Words, your Spirit, are One as You as a single being. If I read your words here I can you you as a person but not you as the person you are in “real life”…. I guess it’s not perfect.. But it seems easy to have “Modalism” where God has different Modes.. which can lead to serious issues.. 🙏🏼
@@kelvyquayo The main point I understood was 1 egg has 3 parts, but in conclusion it’s still one egg… It was a simple and concise way of explaining to a child what the holy trinity means.. So, in essence it worked perfectly and stayed with me into adulthood. My understanding has expanded and increased over time..
That’s basically how I’ve rationalized it but did it with humans. The concept is hard to grasp but God operates on another level so it is what it is lol
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It’s 1 thing not to initially understand, but to flat out reject, especially once a basic understanding has been grasped, well……, that’s different
I concur.
I agree. The Bible clearly does not teach a Trinity as Allen showed.
@@ewankerr3011 you don’t make sense, I agree with Allan 🤷🏻♂️
@@Sacrifice-Paid : Don't you recall Allen mentioning the lack of trinitarian explanation by Jesus in the gospels and in the book of Acts. Even many scholars from a Trinitarian tradition admit that the idea of a Trinity was unknown to Moses and the prophets and to Jesus and his disciples.
@Tyler B #2 : You have completely missed the point. The God of Moses and the Jewish prophets, the God of Israel was unitarian. They knew nothing of a trinity.. The Jews of Jesus' time knew nothing of a trinity. Jesus and his Apostles were all Jews. They knew nothing of a Trinity and prayed to and worshiped the God of Israel. This is quite clear in scripture. Jesus even restates the Shema from Deut 6 :4 in the gospels.
I love the diving into the Greek! It just illuminates, amplifies, and clarifies SO WELL. (Same with Hebrew, for the OT.)
I knew of a man who rejected Christ until his dying breaths, lying on a highway, struck off his motorcycle by a big-rig, and the driver of the tractor-trailer got out and down beside him, and quickly presented the gospel and the man who was struck accepted Jesus as Savior and passed instantly into eternity with Him. Absolute true account. Did that man have time to understand and embrace the Trinity? No. Is he with Jesus? Yes. What about those limited mentally who can understand Jesus' love and dying on the cross for them and accept Him with a childlike faith, but who will never understand the Trinity really? Can they be saved? Yes. Think of other barriers. That leads me to believe likewise with you, Brother Parr; those who have not grown in their faith to the point of not understand fully the Trinity yet/those who never will for a legitimate reason/those who do not yet understand, versus those who refuse and refute this truth from the Word of God, are utterly distinct groups. Only the Lord knows each heart and where/why any refusal is perhaps from confusion and which is from a hard heart. There are so many dynamics that can be factored into the "not understanding" group, but none of those factors ought to be an excuse for those of us with the ability, resources, and Bible-in-hand, for not diving deeply into this Holy mystery and coming out with a solid conclusion about. (Hopefully, the Biblical one.)
And didn’t have time to be baptized either just like the thief on the cross but was still saved by Gods Grace !
except that God is Hebrew and the religion made in Athens and Rome called Christianity is alien to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
@@isaaclosh8606 no religion was 'made'. Jesus appointed his own disciples and mandated for the first century church to be established. Are you questioning Jesus's authority?
@@thisisjudith Obviously one that has not even read the New Testament for himself
I agree we don’t need to fully understand Trinity, as I don’t think anyone really does. But in order to be saved, it is essential to believe that Christ is God.
I agree
Christ is NOT God
The Acts 7:55
[55]But being full of the Holy Spirit, having fixed his eyes on heaven, he saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God,
@@jesusisnotgod4265 that is trinity father Jesus Holy Spirit is God if you don't believe Jesus is God you're wrong that doesn't mean 3 Gods but they are one God
God created man in His own image.
God is a triune being ( Father, Son, Spirit ).
Man is a tripartite being ( Spirit, soul, body ).
When the Spirit of God joined to the Spirit of man there is new creation ( 1 cor 2:11, 1 cor 6:17, 2cor 5:17 ).
Spirit,soul,body are distinct from each other, they work simultaneously, together as one, they have different function they are never been separated ...but man is a natural being so there is limitation in terms of space and time ..they are confined in one area only UNLIKE God who is a Spirit being, there is no limitation in terms of space and time as we can see in the baptism of our Lord Jesus Christ in the river of Jordan, God the Father spoke and the Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus ( matthew 3:17 ) ...We can clearly see their distinction but never a separate being. They are always one God being. They work, exist together as one.
I agree that Christ is God ... BUT he is not Almighty God. There is a difference!. The Trinity doctrine is not biblical, it is confusion. Check out my response in the comments.
Great explanation of rejecting and not understanding the Trinity at conversion. I loved this. Furthermore, I strongly agree Allen with your interpretation and we need to embrace the Trinity after we learn about it deeper after conversion, because it is part of regeneration. God Bless Brother 🙌.
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So why did Jesus say the Father is GREATER than I ? Why did Jesus say I can do nothing except the Father Commands me to do it. Jesus never said he was God Jesus said Our Father who art in Heaven. Jesus prayed to God. So you mean to tell me God prayed to Himself. The Trinity started in. Egypt by black people
@@regwill1229amen. Trinity is false
For me, I accept God as he is. All of Him. I wouldn't want to miss out on any part of our Creator. I want all of Him and also to be available back to each part of him. A relationship with our one true God. God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I believe by faith.
Genisis 1 :26 john 1:1 changed my veiws on God big time
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How so?
@@davidnewhart2533 i was raised in a oneness religion the bible showed me Jesus was always their as was the Father
How can you accept God without a living Prophet???
@@jackvee9094 oh really??.... did Jesus know the bible??
I think someone who is new to the faith can be saved without knowing every nuance of the Godhead and the Triune nature thereof, however it must be stressed that someone actually knows that Jesus is the Son. But I do believe that if someone is saved then they will eventually be led to that truth.
Well said 🙏🏼
Yes, well said!
So are you saying Jesus is not God then?
For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God. Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
Acts 20:27-28 NKJV
bible.com/bible/114/act.20.27-28.NKJV
@@bidzam I didn't say that. Jesus is God the Word (John 1:1, 1:14, 1 John 5:7, etc.) and by him all things were created. He is the Chief Corner Stone. He's 100% God 100% Man. All I'm saying is that people should know that with regards to the Godhead they should know He is the Son of God as we see from verses such as John 3:16 and numerous other places. So to deny Jesus is the Son is to deny those basic verses.
The trinity is a Roman Catholic doctrine which was never corrected with at the Reformation
There is not a single verse in all of Scripture which says you must understand the Godhead to be saved. Not one.
Facts 💯
There's not a single verse in all of Scripture which even mentions "Godhead"
@@isaacmarshmallow8751 absolutely
Violett Fem yes, but non-trinitarians, specifically semi-Arians and Modalists, affirm all of those things just as well as trinitarians do.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
How does it feel to be wrong?
For seekers of truth only,
1. The Father has a name, the Son has a name. What is the name of the Holy Spirit?
2. In Paul’s epistles, why did he leave out salutations to the Holy Spirit?
3. Why is there no conversation recorded between the Father and the Holy Spirit or the Son and the Holy Spirit?
4. Isaiah 45:21, why is the Holy Spirit not mentioned in this verse?
5. Isaiah 57:15, the Father dwells only with the Son?
6. Matt 28:18-20 - Jesus commanded his disciples to baptise in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. However, his disciples in the book of Acts only baptise in Jesus name. Why?
7. Revelation 22:1, why is there a seat for Jesus but no seat for the Holy Spirit at the Great White Throne? If the Father is the Son and vice versa, why is there a need for separate thrones?
8. Why John 1:1 does not mention the Holy Spirit?
9. Why was 1John 5:7 only added in AD325? This verse is not found in scriptures before that time.
10. John 5:30, John 6:38, If the Son is also the Father, why would there be 2 wills?
11. John 10:30, why is the Holy Spirit not mentioned?
12. Revelation 5:7, why would God hand the book to Himself?
13. Revelation 11:15, why only mention Lord and Christ but not the Holy Ghost?
14. John 10:30, why Jesus did not include the Holy Spirit?
15. 1Cor 3:23, Christ belongs to God or Christ is God?
16. 2John 1:3, why John’s salutation also omit the Holy Spirit?
Amen!
No, you cannot reject the Trinity and be saved.
²³That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him..."
- KJV John 5.
That doesn’t necessarily mean u have to believe in the trinity
@@briemuss05 bruh ur just disagreeing with christ than, ur feelings dont matter when it comes to scripture
@@briemuss05 If you only acknowledge the Father, you lose all. If you only honour the Father, you lose all. See how that works?
No man comes unto the Father except through Jesus, anyone who tries to enter into Heaven, except through the Son, the same is a thief and a robber.
There is no other way, that's why Unitarianism is false.
In our church it’s called the Deity if you deny this o! Well ?
@@ellencutter5661 Ellen, What do you mean by, 'the Deity', referring to Whom?
My opinion, it’s the most beautiful aspect of the nature of God. And it’s biblical. God didn’t need us for relationship yet he still made us to enjoy him.
The Most High and His Christ also enjoy their sons
Actually Jesus does want to have a personal relationship with us , he wants to be involed with everything we do, he wants to reveal his greatness in every way , he wants to be in the drivers seat , not just on Sunday hes not looking for a date but a marriage commitment , baptism is a marriage to God. Have you done it yet??
@@lmhayes60 bro what? The heck you believe?
@@DJRoll15 why do you want to know...Bro?!
@@lmhayes60 seems like you deleted your last comment where you were posting wild things. And if your foundation is shaky that wouldn’t be good would it?
Thank you for addressing this Allen!
I was with someone (long term relationship) who completely denied the triune nature of God and told me that Jesus is the Holy Spirit despite us discussing scriptures together in the KJV and ESV that outlined the distinction.
He also told me my baptism didn’t count because I was baptized in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and not in Jesus’ name.
Those situations could’ve shipwrecked my faith but I continue to grow in my walk with Christ through His Word and being lead by the Holy Spirit.
Where in the Bible is accepting the Trinity a requirement to salvation? This is not to say we should dismiss the fact that Christ is God.
@@bidzam If one completely rejects the trinity, there’s a strong possibility that they reject other scriptures that outline who God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are meaning that they deny the sufficiency of scripture and backflips through scriptures to support heresy (modalism).
Examples:
Romans 8:34 KJV- Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
[Jesus is SEATED at the right hand of God, interceding for us]
John 14:12-16 KJV -
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever
[Jesus praying to the FATHER and sending ANOTHER COMFORTER, the Holy Spirit]
@@bidzam right next to the word 'rapture'?
@@bidzam How can Christ be God the Son if there is no trinity.
@@nancythomas7270 the harpazo is in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.
I fully agree and struggled with understanding when I was anew believer. Someone once explained it to me as water ice and h20 are simultaneously the same, it helped at the time lol. I do believe that over time the Holy Spirit will lead us to sound understanding and truth the more we spend time in the Lords’ word.
To reject the Trinity is to reject God’s revelation of who He is!!
It is to make Jesus less than God. Less than LORD!
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How many beings are on the throne in heaven? The answer is 2.
Revelation 22:1,3
[1]And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB.
[3]And there shall be no more curse: but the THRONE OF GOD AND OF THE LAMB shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
John in prophetic vision only seen two on the throne in heaven. If the holy spirit was another god then John would have mentioned it.
Paul in his letters to the different churches often greet them in the name of God and our Lord Jesus Christ but not in the name of the holy spirit:
Romans 1:7
[7]To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Philippians 1:2
[2]Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Galatians 1:3
[3]Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
No mention of a third being again. John and Paul are two witnesses, now let us look at a third witness.
James 1:1
[1]JAMES, a servant of GOD AND OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
James is also in agreement and he did not mention a third being ruling in the heavens.
Re-read the scriptures carefully and you will never see GOD THE SON OR GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT. You only see God the Father and his Son. The scriptures state:
1 Corinthians 8:6-7
[6]But to us there is but ONE GOD, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST, by whom are all things, and we by him.
[7]Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge:......
I once believed in the trinity doctrine as well but now i know who my Father in heaven is and his precious Son Jesus is.
Your right ✅
God is one - Not One God in 3 persons 🙄
Can you give me 1 Prophet of the OT or 1 Apostle in the NT that says there are 3 persons of God????
That goes both ways
@@guitarpraise6035 here are what Isaiah, the apostles and God the Father say about Jesus...
So there is *100% conclusive proof* of 2 Persons in one God.... then look at something like Romans 8:9 - Spirit, Spirit of God, Spirit of Christ... used interchangeable. Many more verse harmonise this also. 3 in One.
*JESUS IS GOD* second person of the Trinity
Hebrews 1:8 - The Father calls Jesus God
2 Peter 1:1 - Peter calls him God
John 20:28 - Thomas calls him God
Isaiah 9:6 - Jesus is called Everlasting Father and Mighty God!
John 1:1 - The Word was God
John 1:18 - Jesus is called the only God, at the Father’s side.
Praise God 😊✝️
The Bible says we are saved by confessing Jesus is the Son of GOD.
Correct
Son means literal.
Confession is useless if you don’t believe
Ayah did you realise that actually Jesus is God?
For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God. Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
Acts 20:27-28 NKJV
bible.com/bible/114/act.20.27-28.NKJV
These posts happen when you do not understand the Trinity but talk anyway
I literally asked this question at my Bible study day before yesterday. Your/ God’s timing is impeccable. Thank you Allen❤️
The Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ in you.
Let us look at this matter closely:
John 14:16-20
[16]And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
[17]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he DWELLETH WITH YOU, and shall be IN YOU.
[18]I WILL NOT LEAVE YOU COMFORTLESS: I WILL COME TO YOU.
[19]Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
[20]At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I IN YOU.
Jesus told his disciples that "he will come to them" and that "he will be in them". This is the hope of our glory "CHRIST IN YOU":
Romans 8:9-10
[9]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his.
[10]And if CHRIST BE IN YOU, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Why do you think Jesus said:
John 16:7
[7]Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I GO AWAY: for if I go not away, THE COMFORTER WILL NOT COME UNTO YOU; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Jesus had yet to ascend and while he was still walking with the disciples he could not send HIS SPIRIT to be with them.
Let us briefly take a look at the word "Comforter" in the greek:
The Greek word for comforter is G3875 which is PARAKLETOS. The defenitions for it is:
1. one who pleads another's cause before a judge, a pleader, counsel for defense, legal assistant, an advocate
2. one who pleads another's cause with one, an intercessor
3. in the widest sense, a helper, succourer, aider, assistant
This Greek word is only found in the bible 5 times and "Comforter" is used 4 times (John 14:16,26; John 15:26; John 16:7) but it is used one time for the word "ADVOCATE" and who is this advocate?
1 John 2:1
[1]My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an ADVOCATE with the Father, JESUS CHRIST the righteous:
Jesus is the only one who intercedes for us. Jesus is our helper and succourer (deliever).
To understand that the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ is a beautiful revelation. We have someone who has been through our trials and tribulations. Someone who knows or struggles and can "COMFORT" us in our time of need.
I pray that this strengthens your walk with Christ and view him as a personal Saviour that lives in you.
@@DeAntray777 Ya the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ.
@@JRM410 Amen and this is the truth and it truly makes Christ a Comforter. Be blessed.
The Trinity doctrine is not biblical, it is confusion. Check out my response in the comments.
@@Berean-1711 shhh, that let Allen hear that.
I totally agree with you. Thank-you! I use to be a Jesus Only/UPC believer. Man, did I allow myself to be brainwashed! Man, it was easy to get caught up in what they believe! Praise the LORD that with His help, I was able to SEE instead of remaining BLIND!
What does the so called trinty have to do with a person being saved? We are saved by grace through faith. God is one.
oh so you don’t even need Jesus eh? oky doky
Rejecting the Trinity could be saying I reject Jesus is God. Or I reject the Holy Spirit as God. Both would be a big problem.
@@CP-qn1mn There is no trinity God Almighty says he is one and there is none beside him.God functions in many ways but he is one. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. God always told Israel that he was one. Christ and the Father is one. Jesus was flesh. The Word became flesh in Jesus his son. God was in Jesus. When Jesus died God left him. God is a Spirit and cannot die. Jesus became God when he was glorified before he ascended to heaven.
@@zarnoffa Yes we do need Jesus to be saved . Jesus death on the cross made it possible for us to be saved and our sins forgiven. It is grace and faith in Jesus Christ that makes it possible.
@@charlesstubbssr8353
OK, well you need the right Jesus to be saved… the Jesus Who was with the Father in the beginning and made all things. You can’t get that without at least a small intro to the Trinity… that Jesus is the Eternal Son of God.
Early squad!!!!! Good topic .
Yooo
me too..
Having been a former Mormon, God rescued me and opened my eyes to see the truth of the Bible. My husband, who is Mormon, refuses to see the truth of the trinity; as the Mormon doctrine teaches that God, Jesus & the Holy Ghost are three separate entities. Why? Because Joseph Smith, their founder, said he saw God, the Father & his son, Jesus Christ as separate & distinct from each other. Those who embrace the testimony of the Mormon doctrine refuse to believe the Biblical doctrine of the trinity. Yes, I believe when one refuses to accept the sound doctrine of the trinity, he refuses to accept other Biblical truths. Thank you Allen for this great teaching lesson.
They ARE three separate entities, three separate entity, one united Deity.. according to the trinity doctrine
EDIT: If they weren’t separate entities then, Father = Son, Son = Spirit, and Spirit = Father
Note: I’m not “Christian”
Praying for your husband 🙏
@@PringleDinglesonThe3rd the trinity is false
@@answeringchristianity7778 I don’t accept the trinity, just trying to clarify what the trinity is to people that claim they know the “truth”, basically correcting someone’s false belief about a false belief, a double negative
Salvation is found in no one, but through Jesus Chris to the glory of the Father,Amen🙏❤️
Scooby Poo there is No Salvation in Innocent Blood as it Defile the Land & its Unjust
Salvation according to the bible depends on many things but yes believing jesus is god is apart of the process😎
@@islamdefenderyahya4621who is Allah? Do you think he's the almighty the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets?
@@slft47 are you a Muslim bro?
@@ScoobyDoo-ms9ou who is ALLAH ?
GOD IS ALLAH .
Hebrew speaking Jew says Allah is God
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IF U REJECT ARABIC TRY HEBREW...JEWS
In biblical Aramaic they referred to “God” as " אלהא (Aláhâ/Elaha) or Elah (אלה) ”, in Hebrew “אֱלוֹהַּ \ אֱלֹהַּ elóah”( Elohim: elóah's grammatically plural form.), and Arabic is cognate “الله Allah”.
NAMES OF GOD = /ELOHIM/ADONAI/ ALLAH
ALLAH = U may find it in Arabic bible GEN 1 31 u will find the word
ALLAH mention 31 time + in Hebrew language the word ALLAH IS GOD...
JESUS = MORTAL VISIBLE HAS BEGINNING /END
As it is written, "the Lord our God is ONE." I think this erroneous belief of the Trinity lies in the book of Matthew when the disciples were commissioned to baptize in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. In Acts, the apostles understood that Matthew statement to mean Jesus, hence they baptized in Jesus's name rather than the three titles that All belong to Jesus. So there's no scriptural basis for the Trinity doctrine
if that is the case then please explain Genesis 1:26-27. Where in verse 26 it reads “God says let “us” make man in “our” image, after “our” likeness”. Yet in verse 27 it says: “So God created man in “his own” image, in the image of God created “he” him; male and female created he them.” So what should we make of these two verses back to back? Is God contradicting himself when he says “us” and “our” which are plural and possessive words then follows that up with “his own” and “he” which are singular? I think not. If God is not triune then what does he mean by “us” and “our”? Who is he talking to? The angels? The other heavenly creatures? Are we made in their images? Is he talking to himself? Surely the one true God and creator of the universe isn’t suffering from schizophrenia.
I’d also like you to explain John 1:1-3 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.” Because by your description Christ was a created being. This also contradicts John 1: 10-11, 14 where it reads: “He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” So by your logic God is one and Christ is God alone but by the scriptures we see that the Word who is Christ, was “with” God from the very beginning and not created. And not only was he “with” God but that he is God. So how can God be God and yet be with God at the same time unless he exist in different persons but equally in divinity and nature? 🤔
Essentially there is an abundance of evidence for trinity within Scripture. And the danger of denying such evidence leaves you with massive amounts to of “perceived” contradictions of scripture with scripture.
All throughout scripture Jesus refers to the Father apart from himself. He prays to the Father, he calls upon the Father. Yet he says he and the Father are one. Please read John 16. It’s full of references of a triune God.
“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.”
John 16:13-15 KJV
@@Hookums2005 or this is what the book of proverbs spoke about wisdom setting up her counsel
You confirmed that Jesus is God, what Apostolic's been saying all along. Ur shortcoming is you say he is God, then you limit him by say he can't reach Father status. You my friend are saying he is limited. I'm serving an unlimited God.
I love your explanation Allen! I always learn more about our faith when watching your videos. Thank you!
Unfortunately he is teaching from Roman Catholic creeds which are NOT found anywhere in scripture.
I do not believe you understood the video. Could you explain what you mean by Roman Catholic Creeds?
@@jeremiahgibson4285 The trinity is not expressed in the Bible but in catholic creeds, written hundreds of years after Jesus and the apostles. The Lord Jesus said:
"Father... this is eternal life that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent" John 17:1-3
How is it compatible with the trinity?
Praise the Lord my Brother! I'm almost 59 years old and can remember when my mom taught this back in the late 70's she was basically ostracized!!! Stand on the WORD 😊🙏🏽
Your mom is a hero she trusted God not a religion
@@jackvee9094 yes!! Before the Lord called her home some had come around and apologized to her and she said TO GOD BE THE GLORY 😊
When your mom taught the orthodox view of the trinity she was ostracized?
@@tejanissimo Lol ,,, right.
See what The apostle Paul said about women teaching in the Church and WHO was deceived by satan
Well said. Thank you for allowing God to use you pastor!
What ?? Thats all wrong!! Hes confused hes false doctrine, he dont know what he is talking about. He dont read the bible if he did he wouldnt be questioning Gods words hed have faith but he is too proud to believe in what he dont understand.
@hfoerho look i understand you are having a hard time understanding this, and I am trying to explain it the easiest way possible, and wether you get it or not , preachers on TV are saying the same thing That the son the father and the Holy spirit are 3 in one and they go to the Gospel College, so i m sure they know what they are talking about, I had to watch it a few times. before it started making sense. Because God almighty is not a physical person with a body like ours hes not human and Jesus did not come from a man remember his mom was a virgen. And the Holy Spirit is God in us after we are baptized the Holy Spirit comes to live in our heart and he is our 3 way to God so God can be in more places at the same time and hes Gods servent watching our backs for him so we are never alone and he s always there when we call , the Holy Spirit is what they say is God in us, and Jesus they say is God in human form, it even says in the Bible remember he asked peter and who do you say iam its revealed several times in the bible. Biut i think Jesus didnt become God until he was baptized, God said this is my son and with him iam well pleased and 2 doves sat on his shoulders when he came up from the water and he was filled with the holy spirit, so God came to live in his heart, and thats when he started healing people and performing. miracles.You should watch the Hillsong channel they are always teaching on that channel and its a variety of preechers that come on , and ive really learned alot in 4 years ad a full time student, unfortunatly my upbringing did not consist of Jesus at all, sometimes i cant help but think how much better my life would of been had i known what i know now, its very important to teach kids about. Jesus its the best thing you could do for that child is the gift of God, and it makes them feel good to know they have a purpose and a father in heaven who loves them very much if i had known that i wouldnt of ran away to get pregnant, i have no regrets though thats actually what i consider the best thing thats evervhappen to me. At 15 years old i was praying to God to give me a baby and he did and he was beautiful , perfect nothing wrong. with. him at all , he was a good baby never fussy for no reason he was smart he spoke 2 languages by time he was 5, now hes all grown up with 3 kids of his own j.
How we arrive at the Trinity
Step 1) Assert there is a Trinity
Step 2) Project the idea of the Trinity into Implicit texts
Step 3) Conclude these Implicit texts Individually support the Trinity.
Step 4) Compile these Implicit texts to:
Step 1) Assert there is a Trinity
Secret Step 5) Make additions to the original text such as at 1 John 5:7 to fabricate an Explicit statement, even though it is not present in the oldest manuscripts. Remove God's name from the text and replace it with "LORD" to confuse whether Yeshua or Yehovah are being talked about.
If it ain't explicitly stated, it ain't there.
Gen 1:26. God said let Us make man in Our image did God go thru you silly steps or should the 1st chapter of the bible be taken out john 1:1 needs to go to right why didnt you write the Bible God Almighty cant even keep His book whole and holy in your dead religion
Who is Abraham seeing in Genesis 18:1-6 and who's feet did he wash. 😃
@@jackvee9094 That's Not an Explicit Statement. You're projecting. Without something explicitly stated to project into the verse you can project whatever you want into it.
However, things explicitly stated about who was around during the creation of man can be found at Job 38:7 and Colossians 1:15-17. But nothing explicit about him being Almighty God though 🤷🏼♂️
@@warriorforjesuschrist.1854 Who is Jesus talking to at Matthew 8:5-13 & Luke 7:1-9, The Army Officer, or Elders and Friends representing him?
Likewise is God himself talking to Abraham? Or a representative speaking on his behalf? Exodus 33:20 is quite explicit on that matter.
Without an Explicit statement to back you up you're just projecting.
@@isaacmarshmallow8751 your man made religion is amazing but ill stick with Jesus thanks
when you feel God you know there's someone else in the room🥰
@Mee Acownt You are confused and deceived and displaying it in public
@Mee Acownt that was the devil because there is no trinity God is 1
I came up in a oneness pentecostal church. I believe most people there truly love The Lord and don't have an understanding of the oneness theology. But after coming back to the Lord in my mid 20s I was in a oneness church and I started questioning that "Jesus is the Son, God the Father, and also the Holy Spirit all in one" I started learning about the trinity doctrine and I let go of the oneness theology. I love the trinity it makes so much more logical sense of scripture and I believe it is a far better way of understanding the Bible.
You should of stayed in your Pentecostal Church
How???
How???
I agree with you Allen
and thank you for all the help,advice, and teaching. 🤗💕
This guy is false doctrine and you believe him?? Believe in Jesus, not this clown, he dont know what he is talking about get a bible and read it yourself, this guy is crooked and wrong!!
answer,YES!!...bibles clear that we GROW in knowledge n not saved by it,we saved by FAITH...
@Reagan Faith in who?
@@brando3342 Acts 16:31
they said,"Believe in the Lord Jesus,and you will be saved"
@@showtime5372 The who Jesus?
@@brando3342 my friend,we doing 100 questions or a Bible study here,if you have a comment regarding the post then go ahead...the question was asked,CAN A PERSON WHO REJECTS THE TRINITY DOCTRINE BE SAVED?i answered that from a biblical point of view,you have scripture that says otherwise??SHOW US and stop with your gymnastic games!
@@brando3342 the Son of GOD Jesus.
"In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God....and the word became flesh and dwelt among us"john 1...AMEN Jesus is God in human form!I believe it no one will tell me otherwise...God has sent a prophet of malachi4 and revelation
Rejecting implies man has put his own reasoning above what God has said and revealed about himself in scripture. If the gospel isnt triune in its aplication, its a false gospel, and if God isnt triune, there is no gospel. Thats my take on it 😊🙏
God isn't triune, yet there is still a Gospel🤔
Well there are alternative views on describing the Godhead as the trinity tries to. So this shouldn't be an issue as the Godhead is never explained in the context. Recognising the deity of Christ is all that is required.
@@attav8 They said if. God is triune. The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit coexist
God is not triune, Deuteronomy 6:4, 1 Corinthians 8:6, 1 Timothy 2:5. The scripture gives us evidence of the Father, God. The Son, Yeshua, The Son of God who is God in nature and fullness and the Holy Spirit.
@@lucasmaagi yes God is. Or you have a big problem explining polytheism
Rejection of Trinity may not be a big Theological issue for many but knowing more of Trinity will help to understand God more and his works in a different way. For me rejecting God Head means limiting God at a point and saying that he cannot be so (Triune God).
Hello Allen, am here in Uganda. Thank you for the teaching. I personally believe that rejection is distinct from not knowing fully the concept of Trinity. Rejection makes it clear that you don't believe in some parts of the bible yet the word is God Himself so you believe partly in God. Conclusion is that God will punish those that transgress and reject His word.
Amen , revelation comes over time. Rejection is something completely different than understanding something later.
If they reject it, can they still be saved?
@@cresswellchipman2533 watch the video my guy
@@cresswellchipman2533 no
I like this one I believe it’s from Augustine. Reject the Trinity and risk or lose your soul. Try to explain or understand the Trinity and risk lose your mind.
Blessings
YHVH speaks YHVH about YHVH eternally. Father speaks Word about Salvation eternally (His Name = YHVH Is My Salvation = Jesus) ❤️🙏🏼
Our God is not a God of confusion - if He wanted us to believe in a trinity He would have made it crystal clear in the Bible and Jesus would have taught on it - along with the apostles after him
Totally agree! There is a fundamental difference between understanding or not understanding the doctrine of the Trinity, and deciding to reject it because of lack of understanding. Thank you for such a clear reasoned and straightforward biblical explanation. God bless!
Where in the Bible does God say if you reject the doctrine of the trinity you can lose your salvation?
He doesn’t! Surely if the trinity was part of salvation God would have plainly said so in His word so it was clear. But He didn’t - instead He repeatedly tells us that there is no other name by which men can be saved - Jesus Christ. Christ alone saves.
Hey I love the way you explained tho given me something to really search the scripture for answers. God bless you 🙏
Yes, this one of those topics that are extremely difficult to articulate. Thanks for tackling this Bro Allen!
Genises 1:26 and john 1:1 are good starts
The Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ in you.
Let us look at this matter closely:
John 14:16-20
[16]And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
[17]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he DWELLETH WITH YOU, and shall be IN YOU.
[18]I WILL NOT LEAVE YOU COMFORTLESS: I WILL COME TO YOU.
[19]Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
[20]At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I IN YOU.
Jesus told his disciples that "he will come to them" and that "he will be in them". This is the hope of our glory "CHRIST IN YOU":
Romans 8:9-10
[9]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his.
[10]And if CHRIST BE IN YOU, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Why do you think Jesus said:
John 16:7
[7]Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I GO AWAY: for if I go not away, THE COMFORTER WILL NOT COME UNTO YOU; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Jesus had yet to ascend and while he was still walking with the disciples he could not send HIS SPIRIT to be with them.
Let us briefly take a look at the word "Comforter" in the greek:
The Greek word for comforter is G3875 which is PARAKLETOS. The defenitions for it is:
1. one who pleads another's cause before a judge, a pleader, counsel for defense, legal assistant, an advocate
2. one who pleads another's cause with one, an intercessor
3. in the widest sense, a helper, succourer, aider, assistant
This Greek word is only found in the bible 5 times and "Comforter" is used 4 times (John 14:16,26; John 15:26; John 16:7) but it is used one time for the word "ADVOCATE" and who is this advocate?
1 John 2:1
[1]My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an ADVOCATE with the Father, JESUS CHRIST the righteous:
Jesus is the only one who intercedes for us. Jesus is our helper and succourer (deliever).
To understand that the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ is a beautiful revelation. We have someone who has been through our trials and tribulations. Someone who knows or struggles and can "COMFORT" us in our time of need.
I pray that this strengthens your walk with Christ and view him as a personal Saviour that lives in you.
The HOLY SPIRIT will explain it to the new believer.
That was my initial comment and that’s why we are to study to show thyself approved!
Amen!
Not if they don't know anything about Him.
The Holy Spirit doesn’t convey anything about the Trinity. Just as the Holy Spirit never inspired any Bible writers to record the word trinity or it’s definition. There is another spirit that teaches the trinity, likely many. (1 TIMOTHY 4:1; 1 JOHN 4:1)
@@Failur3i5n0tan0pt1on the word trinity is an abbreviation of two different words Tri-unity. Why would the abbreviation of the name of a biblical doctrine be in the Bible.
Can you show me the word Bible in the Bible. 🤦🏼♂️
Absolutely. The analogy which made me understand the trinity I remember getting from God directly
A benevolent God would base his children's ETERNAL torment on their understanding, or not, of a piece of doctrine? Does this even sound reasonable?
Its amazing how it sound normal to them
Doctrine distills and helps us articulate our understanding of scripture.
@@PastorVaughn ..I taught God help us to understand the scriptures..if we cant understand it why given to us in the first place.
@@pfp5364 I'm not sure as finite beings that we can fully comprehend an infinite God. 2nd Peter also talks about how some things in scripture is just hard to understand. However, the basics about God, salvation and etc. are very clear and foundational to our faith. You are right though, the Holy Spirit will help us and guide us along the way.
did you even listen to the video? There is a difference between "understanding" and "rejecting". Abraham did not fully "understand" Jesus, yet it was his faith in God's promise that was credited to him as righteousness. None of us could fully understand God.
I first saw you on Ruslan KD.. and have been enjoying your teaching's ever since..I liked your explanation about the Trinity.. I hang out with the Holy Spirit..every day..we have a real relationship.. He also teaches me about the Bible, and God, and Himself..and Yeshua. THANKS 😊 🙏
I am reminded of Jesus when being crucified there were two others being crucified with him One on either side of Jesus. One of the rebels rejected Jesus and the other one accepted him. Neither one of these true criminals had a perfect understanding of the Bible but they understood Jesus.
The Bible didn't exist yet.
@@Amanda..A The Old Testament existed. Throughout the Old Testament it points to Jesus.
Your statement doesn't make sense
First you say one of them rejected Jesus and the other accepted him, then you say both of them understood Jesus.
If both of them understood Jesus, then both of them would be in paradise, but the scriptures say only one of them is in paradise. It confirms this in Luke, Jesus said unto him, not them.
Luke 23:43 kjv - And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
@@markhorton3994 Yeah sure but I doubt the 2 thieves next to Jesus knew who Jesus was based on that. We don't even know if they studied the Old Testament. It was more likely they knew who he was because they were in his presence.
@@averagejoe4256 “Then one of the criminals who was hanged blasphemed Him, saying, If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us. But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, ‘Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.’ Then he said to Jesus, ‘Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.’ And Jesus said to him, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in paradise’” (Luke 23:39-43).
One of the thieves, after joining with the other thief in mocking the Lord (Mark 15:32), recognized that Jesus was the Son of God and decided to ask for mercy and pardon. He offers up the simple prayer, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.” Jesus accepts His repentance and gives him the promise that the thief on the cross will be with him in paradise.
Thank you so much for your videos Allen! I am a teenager and your videos have really helped answer a lot of my many questions about Christianity. May God bless you and all of the work that you do!
Well just to let you know this guy does not know what he is talking about . I am a fallower of Jesus for 4 years now and i can tell you Allen is a false doctrine he s not right, hes confused , so themessages he is spreading are wrong!!
@GZS I agree, but thats the big mystery that will be revealed when we get to Heaven, i just wish people wouldnt argue and fight about it, I honestly dont think its that important.Jesus said what is important is that we love our neighbors as we love our selves and to love our God with all our heart and soul, even our enemies!!!could you imagine if everyone would go by that?
@@saralenagriffith6509 No mystery. Paul says that the Pre-Incarnate "Jesus" was GOD Himself -- but that God EMPTIED Himself of His Glory/Godhood to become/be made a physical Man (Phil 2:6-8). Peter taught that the PHYSICAL Jesus was not God, but the SON of God/Man from Nazareth that was INDWELLED BY GOD -- read Acts 10:38, 2:22, Matthew 16:15-16. THAT is why Jesus had to request that God RETURN to Jesus all of the Glory/Godhood that Jesus had before the world was made (John 17:4-5).
@@veritasmuy2407 i know what the Bible says, I ve been reading iit for the last for years and not just by myself, my TV stays on the Hillsong channel and I ve watched many sermons on this very topic by Joel Osteen , Ron Carpender, Micheal Todd, TD Jakes , Joyce Meyer, Christine Cain ,Brian and Bobbie Houston are just a few at the top of my head who has spoke about this topic, I dont suppose youre trying to tell me that Allen knows more than they do??He dont even come on TV at all, i wonder why?? He is false doctrine, he dont read the bible he skims through it , thats why he is confused and you are fallowing him?? Straight to hell. If you want to learn the Bible correctly , TV is a great way to go you got the Hillsong channel and TBN and they always have sermons and teachings from all kinds of certified preachers who have been to college. Allen does not fit in that category he is confused and argues with the word thats not good and its not going to get you into Heaven.
@@saralenagriffith6509 YOU: "my TV stays on the Hillsong channel.... Joel Osteen... TD Jakes.... -- *ME: LOL. No wonder you're so screwed up in your theology.*
8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
- Isaiah 55:8-9
Great video Allen ☺️
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@Laura t - that is where I was going with this too. We are a little bit like God but God is not very much like us. So why couldn't he be three in one? This is not a human we are talking about!
I agree with you Allen - I think even for someone who embraces the tri unity they may be honest enough to know they may not have the best scholarly explanation but be humble enough to say I’m still learning and growing in maturity for someone who rejects it and is still in a position that they are still learning and is humble enough to admit they are not 100% and quickly to seek peace and pursue it I think this is a positive situation to be in rather than someone who in haste and pride says all who believe in the tri unity are 100% heretics and has not humility for the process of learning and maturing in understanding
It’s not a concrete response as much as I’d like but it’s what I can say for now 🙏🏿😎 I hope this helps someone - ohhh also when we look at the enemy why would he counterfeit with a demonic trinity and for love to truly exist for God to truly be love their must be reciprocation right - Selah
I don’t believe in the Trinity nor the Oneness. I don’t believe the Holy Spirit is a person. The Holy Spirit is God’s spirit. I don’t see the Holy Spirit nowhere in the throne either.
Why people think Jesus is God: “The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact expression of His nature, sustaining all things by His powerful word. After making purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.”
Hebrews 1:3
I believe what the Apostles believed: “yet for us there is one God, the Father. All things are from Him, and we exist for Him. And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ. All things are through Him, and we exist through Him.”
1 Corinthians 8:6
God is the Father and Jesus is His Son. Thats it.
At the end, Jesus will return the kingdom back to his Father, God.
“But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruits; afterward, at His coming, those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when He abolishes all rule and all authority and power.”
1 Corinthians 15:23-24
Well, to be honest, NO ONE fully understands the Holy Trinity - so a thorough understanding of it can not be a prerequisite for salvation. Believing in the divinity of Jesus is the first step, however, and the rejection of this truth, in my opinion, shows one's heart is not open to the truth. God's Holy Spirit will not draw someone to a false Jesus.
Yes we do fully understand the trinity and you absolutely must accept the triune nature of God. How can you believe in God if you are denying his very nature.
Listen up, Muslims, Mormons, Jw's, Catholics, Oneness Pentecostals. If you reject the Trinity you will go to Hell.
@@56pjr DO YOU HAVE ANY SCRIPTURES TO PROVE ANYTHING YOU JUST SAID ????
@@56pjr YOU CAN'T EVEN PROVE ITS IN THE SCRIPTURES NO ONE TAUGHT IT PREACHED IT BELIEVED IT BUT IF A MAN TELLS A LIE TO MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HOW MANY OF THEM WILL BELIEVE IT
@@56pjr DO YOU BELIEVE IN DOCTRINES OF MAN OR THE LAWS STATUES COMMANDMENTS OF GOD ?
"The Trinity" isn't biblical, and I used to be a Trinitarian. There is One God with no 3 personalities and there is no other God next to Him as God Himself has said.
God created man in His own image.
God is a triune being ( Father, Son, Spirit ).
Man is a tripartite being ( Spirit, soul, body ).
When the Spirit of God joined to the Spirit of man there is new creation ( 1 cor 2:11, 1 cor 6:17, 2cor 5:17 ).
Spirit,soul,body are distinct from each other, they work simultaneously, together as one, they have different function they are never been separated ...but man is a natural being so there is limitation in terms of space and time ..they are confined in one area only UNLIKE God who is a Spirit being, there is no limitation in terms of space and time as we can see in the baptism of our Lord Jesus Christ in the river of Jordan, God the Father spoke and the Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus ( matthew 3:17 ) ...We can clearly see their distinction but never a separate being. They are always one God being. They work, exist together as one.
Fully agree! The Trinity doctrine is not biblical, it is confusion. Check out my response in the comments.
@@breadofgod5520 ...Can our body, soul and spirit act independently of each other? Can we say that there is a father, son relationship between them? Ridiculous comparison! The Bible says that the body plus spirit (breath) becomes a living soul. It is an addition and not independent components. Dust + Breath(Spirit) = Living Soul
Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
No trinity fantasy here!
@@truth1844 kindly consider this by the grace of God.
There is a Spirit of God and there is a Spirit of man ( 1cor 2;11)
@@breadofgod5520 ...Do you care about the truth and what Scripture says or do you desire to hold on to a trinity idol god? There certainly is a Spirit of God. The Spirit is of God and not God the Spirit. The body has no consciousness without the breath/spirit. Eclesiastes 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." See Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
Those two verses alone explain what man consists of. God breathe the spirit/breath of life into dust and nothing else. Human beings are not a trinity. When we die, the breath is gone and the body returns to dust. There is not a third entity that floats around anywhere in scripture that's independent of the spirit/breath and dust. Can you prove your beliefs from scripture? Be careful to study for yourself and not depend upon lying preachers.
Full Refutation of Allen Parr's Video
1. 1:02 Rejecting the trinity would not be polytheism because Jesus is not defined as the true God.
2. 1:31 Matthew 28:19 says nothing about 3 persons coexisting eternally. Also just because it says a singular name does not posit the idea that they are one being, there are conjunctions (and) in between the names.
3. 1:51 Jesus is the First begotten Hebrews 1:6
And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God's angels worship him.”
4. 2:18 The requirement to pay for sins is a sinless sacrifice, that does not mean Jesus has to be eternal.
5. 3:30 You cannot have 1 God that is 3 distinct persons because that would be in violation of the law of identity. Also you change God (noun) to Godhead (adjective) proving you are being inconsistent.
6. 4:09 The father is greater than the son in John 14:28 You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
7. 4:33 Jesus, Satan Inanimate Objects, and Men are all called Gods in Hebrews 1:8, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Daniel 5:23, John 10:34. But 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 claims there are many called god but there is only 1 God to us Christians 1 Corinthians 8:5-6
For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth-as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”- yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. John 17:3 calls the father the only "True" God John 17:1-3
When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
8. 9:10 The Criteria to be saved is in Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Therefore you can still reject the trinity in be saved.
Leave this false doctrine and accept Christ. God the Father is the one true God, Jesus is the Son of God the first creation the word of God, The holy spirit is the spirit of God. Embrace Arianism.
That's why the Proverb tells us in all our getting seek wisdom and understanding.
@Rachel Love it you being open for wisdom and understanding which us never ending.
Here is a 9min video with scripture proving Jesus was a prophet(Matthew 21:11 & Acts 2:22)/ servant instead of who Christians say he is.
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To not understand vs To willfully reject are not the same thing.
The OT beliefs foreshadowed the First Coming of CHRIST. So, they DID have an understanding of the TRINITY.
Well said!!!!
Amen
Genesis 2 and Proverbs 8 clearly show the trinity. People who say its a NT only revelation are unlearned.
@@Terror1Void amen 🙏🏾
Foreshadowing the coming Messiah doesn’t imply they understood the trinity. Stop projecting your false doctrine in the OT and the NT as well
So if it is essential to embrace it once it's explained, where does that leave Marcus Rogers being that he has rejected it for many years and continues to do so? If I'm not mistaken you've stated you consider him a brother in the Lord, so I'm confused?
First of all, glad to find this channel, full of knowledge. Thank You from Indonesia.
As a Christian, I believe what The Bible said (written by man through Holy Spirit). They explain it clearly of Trinity. I respect all denominations, but the truth is essential. Living in a moslem majority country, I frequently asked and sometimes mocked by this issue. But by Love, I share the gospel. May Peace be upon you all brothers & sisters.❤🇮🇩
Trinity is Idol worship!
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am he:before me there was no God formed,
neither shall there be after Me! 11 I, even I, am the Lord, and beside Me, there is no Savior.
With all due respect, you are mistaken. Read Isaiah 43:10 again, notice the phrase “I AM HE” now read Mark 13:6; Luke 21:8; John 13:19; John 18:5-8 and Revelation 2:23 in which Jesus Christ takes that phrase (which Isaiah 43:10 clearly applies to Yahweh God) and applies it to Himself. No other way to see this than Jesus claiming deity which the people recognized correctly that He was making that claim (John 10:33). Now that we have established indisputably that Jesus is deity is He a separate deity from the Father? Of course not, Jesus often affirms the “shema” in Deuteronomy 6:4-5 (Matthew 22:37; Mark 12:29-30; Luke 10:27) and in all certainty adhered to Monotheism. So how can two persons be associated with one God? Easy, they are the same God, not different. Jesus makes this clear in John 10:30, especially in the Greek as seen, ἐγὼ καὶ ὁ πατὴρ ἕν ἐσμεν (egō kai ho Patēr hen esmen). The Greek word ἐσμεν (esmen) means we are (as used in Mark 5:9; Luke 9:12; Luke 17:10; John 8:33; John 9:28; John 9:40; Acts 2:32; Acts 3:15; Acts 5:32) clearly indicating a plurality in persons but unity in substance.
I would encourage you, instead of calling the Trinity an idol, submit yourself to learning more about the subject before speaking on it.
@@J.F.331 Checkmate! Mark 13:6 KJV For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many.
Who are the many that come in the name Christ? Christians come in the name of Jesus Christ.
No other religion! Which religion is the largest in the world? Christianity.
Who are deceiving many with Christ crucified? Christians!
1Corinthians 1:23 But we(Gentiles) preach Christ crucified, a stumblingblock to Jews(blacks...most blacks), and foolishness to Gentiles.
Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me( that includes Jesus and the holy spirit.
Joshua 23:11 Take good heed therefore unto yourselves,
that ye love the Lord your God.
No Jesus nor Holy Spirit is mentioned.
13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumsoect: and make no mention of the name of other gods(Jesus Holy Spirit Buddha etc),
neither let it be heard(the name of Jesus) out of thy mouth.
What do Christian's and the camps do?
Call on the name of Jesus and Yahawashi.
Both name is called more than TMH the Creator Himself!
Don't believe? Psalm 106:21 They(you & Christians) forgot God who saved them,
who had done great things in Egypt.
The reason why we are in captivity is because of our ancestors' disobedience to TMH and Christianity which was forced upon us you Run with instead of the True gospel..only for the lost sheep of Iseael(Matthew 15:24)
A specific people! Not all the world which Jesus Christ crucified teaches.
Our Book has been infiltrated with lies.
It is your choice to believe the lie as in 1 Corinthians1:23 ...a stumblingblock blacks...most blacks and foolishness to the other nations.
However you slice or dice it Christ crucified is a stumblingblockcand foolishness!
It's right there in the scriptures!
John 1: 1-2 In the begging was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God. He was in the beginning with God.
John 1: 14 and the word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the father, full of grace and truth.
@@julienandrejames8312 2Timothy 4:16 All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness. 2 Peter 1:20-21 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. Matthew 17:21-23 From that time Jesus Christ began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day. And Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him saying, “God forbid it, Lord! This shall never happen to you. ”But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.”
@@eliwilson1325 You haven't watched the video! Do so then respond.
At this time you are pushing the devil's doctrine.
Proof you are look up 1Corinthians 10:20 you'll see you are sacrificing to demons a s not to God!
One last thing to mention: James White did a statistical analysis showing that 90% of Christians who believe in the trinity hold a heretical view of it, and give different explanations of it.
Not to mention salvation is clear in scripture. It has nothing to do with whether Jesus is God or not, but that He is God’s Son and the Christ (Matthew 16:16, and this is what GOD Himself revealed to Peter).
I believe in all the tenants of the Christian faith, but the trinity is a stumbling block for me. I’ll keep seeking though.
EDIT: James White is also a trinitarian
Yes tho, it foesnt logically follow that if one doesnt understand the trinity, as it is beyond pur comprgension, to say its wrong, is wrong. But continue serching the scriptures, pray to God to guide and lead you.
@@fiveSolas879 my thing is if it was essential doctrine, it would be clearly addressed as such by the apostles who paved the foundation of what the church should follow.
@chapter 404 I think there is a difference between getting the trinity wrong and say providing a bad analogy for the trinity. Ultimately, all analogies to the trinity fail in one way or another. I don't think not being able to explain it perfectly is the same as not believing in it. I think it is very likely that people believe the trinity even if they can't explain it and I don't have any issue with that, though I say it is MUCH better to learn so that you can explain it properly. That takes learning a lot about theology and sadly, many Christians today just don't bother the put other things aside to make that time to study. The simplest way I think it can be explained is - three "whos" and one "what". Three persons of God, the "whos" and one essence or substance of God, the "what".
Feel free to ask any questions about the trinity and I will see if I can't answer some for you :)
@@brando3342 that’s my point. GOD shouldn’t be that hard to understand to the point where you have to use philosophy to explain Him. The trinitarian explanation is pure philosophy.
I don’t believe anyone has a full understanding or can claim they understand the nature of GOD. As I said earlier, the scriptures tell us plainly Jesus is the Christ, the Son of GOD, and if we believe that we are saved.
@@chapter404th perhaps, tho bearing in mind, satan knows the triune God, means its not the 1st thing we are told by christ with regard to the great commision. But i agree with alan, if, altho not understood by someone, flat out rejects the trinity, then what else would they reject. Can the gospel be accomplished apart from God?
We are reconciled to the Father through the Son by the Spirit. The trinity is not biblical. That is a bold statement made in error. If God is Holy and God is a Spirit then what is the Holy Spirit. You are wrong about three distinct persons. There is One Father and One Son in One Spirit - Love.
yousaid that they are not three persons in the Trinity, but you also said that there is one father, one son and one spirit, it seems to me like you’re contradicting yourself what do you mean
@@e.t.h.559 a Spirit is not a person. A spirit is not visible but its effects are visible. Spirits in the scriptures are either
1. An emotion (i.e. spirit of jealousy or spirit of fear)
2. A wind or a breathe (an unseen force that is felt or perceived)
3. A motive or driving force (the spirit of a man)
Never once in scripture is a Spirit a person. YHVH is a Spirit and His Spirit is omnipresent, His motive or driving force is Love, and His Love is made visible in His Son who is the express image of the invisible God. YHVH can not be seen but the work of His Spirit is visible and image of His Spirit is Yeshua. Yeshua is the Son of YHVH, YHVH is Love. Love is the Holy Spirit.
Fully agree with you. The Trinity doctrine is not biblical, it is confusion. Check out my response in the comments.
@@Berean-1711 so hard to find it. Already has over 3.7k comments!
Your responses are a lovely demonstration of the many biblical ways there are of understanding the God. And these different ways often have little relevance to salvation.
If’s there are 3 distinct persons in the Godhead why did Jesus have to go up or be received into glory?
Or why couldn’t the HG come down on his own that shows that the HG dwelt in Jesus which is the spirit of God!
Lies , lies , confusion and contradictions is all the doctrine of the trinity is . Again the Holy Spirit is GOD himself whom comes to dwell within us just as he did with his Son fully at his baptism . 1 Corinthians 3:16 know ye not that ye are the temple of GOD and that the Spirit of GOD dwelleth within you . No trinity no deception .
Amen
You absolutely do not have to be a trinitarian to be saved. The word clearly says if you believe that The Son is the messiah and savior you will be saved.
It never says if you don't believe that Son is also the Father and also the Holy Spirit but the three are also different but also the same, then you won't be saved.
Its a catholic doctrine.
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Yes, you can! Jesus said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary
for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, and that repentance
and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations,
beginning at Jerusalem. And you are witnesses of these things. Behold, I send
the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you
are endued with power from on high.” Luke 24. Jesus speaks of each member of
"the Trinity" in this passage, yet He COMMANDS THEM to "preach" repentance and
forgiveness IN HIS NAME and to WAIT for "power" promised by His Father. However
IMPLIED, Jesus' command does NOT include the teaching of the Trinity. I JUST
quoted the passage! It does NOT include Faith, Grace, or Trinity. But it DOES include
sin, death, resurrection, witnessing, Jerusalem, and ALL nations.
this has nothing to do with it. I understand the passage you are quote but you still have to believe in all three. they are one in the same.
God is the father of creation, his son Jesus was sent to die for us and the holy spirit is what keeps us because Jesus left the earth. the holy spirit also make intercession when we talk to God.
You should study and see how the Bible uses the word, "Name". It does not mean the 5-letter word that was given to the Son of God, but in the scriptures, the NAME refers to the personage of the individual, or the characteristics. In the O.T. God said to worship Him I'm the gate where He would place His NAME. That does not mean where He would literally inscribe, "YHWH", or "Jehovah", etc.
Look in the book of Revelation.
Revelation 3:4
Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
It is clear that "names" is referring to the individuals, not to the titles which they are called by.
Also in Revelation Jesus' "name" is called:
The Word of God
King of Kings
Lord of Lord's
The beast is said to have the "name" of, " MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."
Etc.
We can see that the name is referring to characteristics of the person, which is who the person IS.
To say that you believe in Jesus, but to deny that He is the 3rd person of a Trinity, (if true, which I do not believe) would mean that you do NOT believe in the TRUE Jesus, but one of your own imagination or liking.
@@Chinama104 Jesus says you must be born again, of WATER and of the SPIRIT, or else you CANNOT even SEE the Kingdom of God, much less TALK about it. Peter, early in the book of Acts, regularly re-states what Jesus stated in Luke. It involves "heart" repentance, and then identifying with the death of Jesus by being baptized, and ONLY as a result of these CHANGES, may someone receive the Holy Spirit. Paul says in Romans 8 that if you DON'T have the SPIRIT of Christ, then you DON'T belong to Him. Multitudes of Protestant and Catholic personalities venture to make pronouncements about "the Trinity" but then reject these principles that I am presenting. It was not I who made these principles up. They come from Heaven itself.
if we fully understood God He wouldn’t be God
Right. Thats why faith is important.
The trinity Isn’t biblical 😂
Agree 💯
Matthew 29:19🙏🏻 and in Corinthians, Romans it talks about the Trinity.
"Can you still be saved and yet deny the Trinity?". The answer is simple: NO.
The Holy Trinity, although incomprehensible because of the being of God, and His infinite and vast nature, it has been revealed that the Trinity is important in salvation because the three persons of the Trinity: The Father, Son and Holy Spirit work together in one essence and in three persons to redeem sinful man. To ever take away one of the persons of the Trinity or to even DENY them as being One God in essence is to just condemn the Gospel essentially.
Trinity is not biblical and therefore it is false. The jews never believed not taught such pagan doctrine.
@@truth1844 Actually, the Hebrew word "Elohim" meant a plurality of persons in One God so basically they were worshipping the Trinity without them realizing it. There is One God in essence, but three persons that share and are in one eternity, essence, substance, and power.
@@centurion1314 ...😂 So plurality means 3? or 4 or 5 or 93? So, if the Father is talking to his Son, does that make them automatically equal and a trinity?😂 Do you not see that your trinity concept is pure conjecture and based upon a fantasy concept not supported by Scripture? Have you bothered to look up the true trinity teaching which involves co-equal, co-substantial & co-eternal for each of the 3 gods and that this CANNOT be supported from Scripture? Three persons = Three gods. No way around it. It's not a mystery, it's just a lie.
@@truth1844 Well... if that's what you want to believe, then I wont stop you. All I confess is that I believe in One God that coexists in three persons and they are equal in power, honor and glory.
@@centurion1314 ... Feel free to believe what you want to, it's just not biblical. There is no trinity god taught by Jesus, the prophets or the apostles. Imagining things that are not in Scripture isn't Christianity.
I Love The Trinity... God The Father God The Son Jesus Christ And The Holy Spirit...
You are being deceived, pray for a spirit of discernment and be revealed the truth
@@attav8 Amen...
@@IvanSilvaChildOfJesusChrist777 He is right though. There is nothing like the trinity.
@@flyman2608 What Do You Mean
@@IvanSilvaChildOfJesusChrist777 There are no 3 persons in one God.
@DoJChc-19c. The point is, just because the word refrigerator is not found in the NT. Doesn’t mean that they didn’t keep things cold. The absence of words does not nullify concepts.
Baptizing them in the NAME. Whos name? It is Jesus, thats why Peter said in Acts 2:38 Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, then you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit is not a three persona they are titles of God.
God the Father (Father of Creation)
God the Son (Son of Redemption)
God the Holy Spirit (Holy Spirit of Regeneration/Spiritual renewal/Revival)
Modalism is heresy. Who did Jesus pray to????
Think about it. Think about when God the Father out of heaven spoke while Jesus was on Earth. 2 persons.
@@michaal105 I think you are the one who is heresy. You are deceived by the trinity belief that three personas of God. God is a Spirit, not a person.
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
@@michaal105 Trinity is a false doctrine, don't listen to Allen. Jesus Christ is the Father. Jesus Christ claimed if you've seen me, you've seen the Father. Jesus Christ is also the Holy Ghost...Christ in you the hope of glory. Jesus Christ is the son. The trinity claims that they are 3 persons in one God, but the Bible truth is that there is one God that manifest himself in 3 OFFICES. Offices is different from persons. Persons means that there are 3 Gods and they are different from each other. Office means that their is One God, that plays 3 different roles....and not 3 Gods playing 3 different roles.
@@flyman2608 That's the heresy of Modalism my friend. When Jesus went up by Himself to pray, He was actually going and praying. You say He prayed to no-one, which isn't Biblical. As the Scriptures say, He prayed to the Father.
And when Jesus was on Earth and a voice came from heaven saying "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased", some-one was actually speaking my friend.
When Jesus asked the Father if the cup could pass from Him... He was doing just that.
You need to repent of the false modalism heresy my friend. It's not what the Bible or the early church taught.
@@seekersofchrist1638 That's the heresy of Modalism my friend. When Jesus went up by Himself to pray, He was actually going and praying. You say He prayed to no-one, which isn't Biblical. As the Scriptures say, He prayed to the Father.
And when Jesus was on Earth and a voice came from heaven saying "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased", some-one was actually speaking my friend.
When Jesus asked the Father if the cup could pass from Him... He was doing just that.
You need to repent of the false modalism heresy my friend. It's not what the Bible or the early church taught.
I liken my salvation to the Ark of God like Noah's Ark. I'm in the ark of God, nothing can get in and I can't get out because God has shut the door
I think your sermon or teaching session clearly gives us the answer... you say over and over the "doctrine of the Trinity" which is not in the Bible at all... the word Trinity is not in the Bible... only its concept. So the "doctrine of the Trinity" doesn't exist when it comes to salvation. Salvation comes through faith in the realization of who Jesus is and what He did for you and if you receive that. After that, if you study the scriptures, now with the Holy Spirit, you will grow and learn over time all things as the Lord reveals them to you (but at that point you are ALREADY SAVED). No one can even understand scripture (1 Cor. 2:14) or say Jesus is Lord (1 Cor. 12:3) without the Holy Spirit. That is biblical.
The Bible does not use the word "trinity" but instead uses the term "Godhead."
And it says the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in Christ, bodily.
Right on! So true. People make things so difficult by adding things to salvation when scripture is very clear.
Why was JESUS all in the NAME OF THE FATHER SON HOLY SPIRIT for anyway seems silly dont it van?
@@mattmurdock2868 My point is that understanding that or most of the things in the Bible doesn't dictate salvation... these are two separate issues. One cannot even understand scripture without the Holy Spirit and that was my point. However, I do believe that some people get divine revelation and understanding of who Jesus is and what He did and still can reject it. We do have free will.
@@vansantos5772 exactly, half these theologians aren’t even filled or walking in the power of the Holy Spirit so can only understand the bible carnally
I’ve been observing your content on CZcams for a few months now and this was the video that made me hit the subscribe button. I used to be quick to subscribe to other Christian CZcamsrs after a couple of their videos “seemed” right only to discover later on that their views on some of the basic tenets of Christianity such as the Trinity is completely off. Great video!
Well the Trinity is off as we speak. It's not three persons but three roles God works in. Not modes as the modalistic view but God is capable of doing so due to his omnipresence.
@Timbo Slice the same Father in heaven that the voice came forth representing him, was the same spirit that proceeded from him taking the shape of a dove; and was the same Son & man Jesus, by which and as whom he was manifest on the earth.
Jesus the Heir /Son of God is the only means by which and as whom God the Father in person and by his Holy Spirit is manifest to us and in his creation as a whole. This was true in the beginning: God the Father manifested as the creator by and as his Son in person. This is fully supported in both old & new testament scripture. Even when the Son was on the earth, this was also still true in heaven ...God the Father was still in his throne in the fullness and Glory of & inclusive as his Son. Jesus even mentions this of himself in his prayer in John 17:5. And John 16:14-15, he declared all that the Father has is his.
-Jesus said of the Holy Spirit ...that it's the Spirit of your Father that speaks in you (Mat 10:20) -the actual impartation of himself shared with his children -not some other or other Spirit, it's him. The apostles understood this:
Ephesians 4:6
⁶ One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
The church fathers lost this truth and replaced it with the man made doctrine of the trinity. God the Father, his Son and his Holy Spirit are the same being, Spirit, Person & God. Not 3 separate persons nor 3 separate offices, both of these are wrong.
@@johnmark5717 that doesn't actually refute me though. Also the word both means more than one. You can't use the word both on one person. John 15:24.
My brothers and sisters we have one God who works in three attributes we don't have three thrones in heaven with the Father,Son,And Holy Spirit.Read the book of Revelation carefully....It reveals Jesus Christ explaining that He's God. You can't say that Jesus lied when he said in revelation 21 7 that he will be our God and is his sons
Uhm, the trinity does not deny that.
: Actually, verse 5 states that it is the one seated on the throne. Throughout Revelation, the one seated on the throne is God, not Jesus. If Jesus is 'God' who is God's God? In Rev 3 :12, Jesus talks about his God four times in one verse. By any understanding of language, if Jesus has a God........
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Yes!! I luv it. We have to grow in God. It's a process. He will reveal to us what we need to know. If we lack understanding/wisdom, He will give it to us.
Hes too proud too believe in something he cant figure out. The bible say have faith many times, probably cause its important, that tells me i might not comprehend everything how could i im only a human not almighty . Stop questioning the king and be an obedient servant and just do what he says. Why waist precious time on stuff that is not important?Luckily our God is good and patient and understands .
@@saralenagriffith6509 I agree.
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Your doctrine is self-contradictory, you have ONE GOD and yet make the Father, Son and Holy Spirit distinct.
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You may say it is difficult to understand, but it is not self-contradictory.
For it to be self-contradictory, you'd have to assume that God means one person, which the Bible never says that, therefore it's not contradicting itself. The Bible has examples of multiple persons making up one. With that logic, you'd have to start rejecting the inerrancy of Scripture as well, because other passages would start to be called contradictions too. If you start with the false assumption that God is one person, then you end with a contradiction, but the Bible doesn't give us that false assumption to start with. The Bible is clear that God is one, there is one God, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God, but yet they're not the same person. What you choose to do with that information is up to you.
God created man in His own image.
God is a triune being ( Father, Son, Spirit ).
Man is a tripartite being ( Spirit, soul, body ).
When the Spirit of God joined to the Spirit of man there is new creation ( 1 cor 2:11, 1 cor 6:17, 2cor 5:17 ).
Spirit,soul,body are distinct from each other, they work simultaneously, together as one, they have different function they are never been separated ...but man is a natural being so there is limitation in terms of space and time ..they are confined in one area only UNLIKE God who is a Spirit being, there is no limitation in terms of space and time as we can see in the baptism of our Lord Jesus Christ in the river of Jordan, God the Father spoke and the Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus ( matthew 3:17 ) ...We can clearly see their distinction but never a separate being. They are always one God being. They work, exist together as one.
@@breadofgod5520 Explain how a person's spirit and soul are different.
Tough question, nicely handled. I do love your Chanel!
The problem with Oneness is they deny both the Father and the Son AND they make the relationship of love between the Father and Son into a charade… just a show, not an actual relationship. How horrible! It’s not as benign as you may want to think.
I remembered this content while I was reading devotionals. In an event at Acts 19, they didn't even know about the Holy Spirit but they were called disciples.
But we can also see in that passage that when we knew about the Trinity it is our responsibility to share it to those believers who doesn't know it.
I'm 100% with you Alan, this is how I've always felt about it. I believe The Holy Spirit teaches us and holds us responsible, but Jesus is who we initially turn to for salvation. Rejecting the nature of God is probably a result of not being born again or having The Holy Spirit, and so it only stands to reason that rejecting the Trinity is a sign that someone indeed isn't saved.
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Your argument that the trinity is necessary for salvation is based on already having the conclusion that the doctrine of the trinity is true, AND that people who don’t believe it are purposefully rejecting the nature of God. I believe in the Trinity, but the people like Owen Benjamin and Austin Witsit who have argued against it would talk circles around you. They aren’t dishonest people who are going to burn forever in hell just because they think the Son of Man isn’t literally God. Stop being a pharisee
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1. Trinity is not biblical, just a false doctrine
2. Salvation is not depended on any human doctrine.
3. The Father/Son/Holy spirit are not persons but distinct authorities of God.
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@@dutchsheets9533 I'll support the much i can but on Trinity, i urge you to be slow and very careful. Be open to the possibility that you are wrong.
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“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
1 John 5:7
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us (Jesus) and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the father, full of grace and truth.
... "For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity (honesty); to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the catholic religion; to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords."
~ Athanasian Creed the official church statement concerning the Trinity
or We must say with out lips there is only one God even though we acknowledge our belief that there are three separate and distinct Gods.
Very well said Sir,i learned a lot from you,to God be the glory