Who needs a 110? Bore the Stock Cylinders to a 107!
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- Twin Cam 96's and 103's can easily be bored out to a 107 with the stock cylinders. Boring the stock cylinders is a very cost effective option rather than buying a new drop on 110 kit. Bored out to a 107 with increased compression, paired with a bolt in cam set will easily put you're Twin Cam 96 or Twin Cam 103 well over 120 ftlbs of torque. With a quality exhaust system and a good dyno tune you're horsepower has the potential to be over 110. A bore job to a 107 is an excellent setup for waking up your Twin Cam during a rebuild or just a refresh for more power.
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Would you go with boring your factory cylinders out to a 107 or just opt for a drop on 110 kit?
Considering that I'm semi retired and on limited income, I would go with my cylinders being bored. I love your awesome and informative videos. I've owned a Honda Valkyrie and a Yamaha V-Max and love the rush of torque and horsepower still. Almost 68 and still ROCKIN. B-)
I own a 09 Dyna Superglide at the moment and love it.
Looking at a 103 Streetglide. I have a set of Woods 222 to go in it upon purchase. If the bike has a few miles on it I may consider doing this as a part of a freshen up when the cams go in. What compression will still work with these cams? Will probably leave the heads stock as I'm not chasing that last 5-10hp.
I'd buy a 107 kit.
110
@@rickswindell1964 same here. If you're going to do it, go all in.
Like the old saying goes.
If you want more inches.
STROKE IT ⚡
Adding a stroker crank and pistons really ups the ante!
As far as H-D goes, more can definately be done with less. The XR 750 was one of the baddest engines H-D ever made. It was basically a destroked Sportster. Keeping the same bore but shortening the stroke from 3.811 inches to 3.00 inches allowed for a higher Rev limit and boost hp output to 85-100 hp. I have always thought that one of H-D's biggest mistakes was not making a street version of this bike. The second was when they quit making it.
The XR750 was an absolute legend, if you bought the motor from Harley it came as a box of parts since there were so many possibilities with putting one together.
Took my '07 96ci up to Zippers 107ci with 2 into 1 and a Thundermax tuner. Made a world of difference and many more miles of smiles. I always enjoy your great videos and content @GixxerFoo. Ride hard, ride fast, ride safe!
That is awesome! That Zippers kit makes some serious power!
I have a similar set up but new to TMax, recall what map you are using?
Had a local shop build a 106 stroker from my 88. It’s been a great performer. He told me he didn’t go to 107 because this way I get a couple of top end rebuilds this way without having to buy new cylinders. I thought that was a good idea.
That is awesome! There's so many different paths to get to the same horsepower and torque, that 106 stroker lays it down I imagine! That was a really good idea going that route to save the meat on the cylinders!
@@GixxerFoo I agree. So many options that it can get tough to make a decision. The well thought out and presented vids that you upload are very helpful with making the choice. Thanks for that!
Omg. When you first started talking I thought it was Project Farm for a sec lol. Great video
😆 I get that a lot, not the same guy and we are not related lol. I am a subscriber to his channel his channel though, I've bought a lot of products based on his testing!
@@GixxerFoo you already answered my next question lmao 🤣 I love his videos too. I've tried suggesting that he test all the different bike oils lol but no response so far. Keep up the good vids man
I bought a balanced and trued 4 3/8 stroker crank from Red’s out of Boynton Beach Fl for my 2002 Electra Glide 95” stage 4. Heads, jugs and cams are being done by Don @ HD Street Performance WA, he uses Tman products and is half the price of anyone else, I highly recommend looking him up, you’ll be amazed at his prices and reputation to boot. With me splitting the cases and doing all the work, using my cam plate, pump, lifter’s , ignition etc from my 95 build , I’m just over 3g’s to go from a 95” to a 107” stage 4 stroker all together,can’t beat that with a bat! I can even use my Mik 42 before bumping up to a 45.
If I had the money I would definitely go the Fuel Moto with the woods cams cuz I like Woods cams and I like Fuel Moto. Like I said if I had the money because once you're into the cam chest and everything you might as well do the cam plate, tensioners and oil pump still once you're in there needs to be done I think so anyways! That's why I keep buying lottery tickets... some guy on the internet keeps pointing out how to make cheap horsepower well a lot cheaper than it used to be anyway
It really keeps going once you get started, it's also cheaper and better to do it all at once while it's down.
I agree with you a long way Gixxer, but I have never been a fan of high compression pistons on a Harley. High compression will put an extra pressure on your crank bearings, rod bushings and stress your starter to break. I prefer a max cam lift with stock springs and ported heads instead, even with a “non-easy start” set up the oem starter has no problems activating the stock springs. Ouh I love horsepower but I also love a reliable and steady bike which doesn’t sound like it’s going through torture every time it starts. Many of my friends has paid fortunes for starters and starter gears. Crazy HP bikes comes at a cost….it’s like riding the famous Tiger: It looks good but it will get you in the end !
Higher compression is pretty harsh, compression releases are an absolute must to get started. It's a better idea to go with a build crank for high compression increases, but a cam with head porting usually gets the job done pretty well.
Always great content bro, your videos inspired me to built my 103 up to a screaming eagle stage 5 , tire shredder 110.
That's awesome, the SE 110 tire shredder is one awesome kit. A guy that works at my local dealer has that kit in his Road King, it hausl the mail!
Reason why I wouldn't bore cylinders is because I can put the bike back to stock. The money on older bikes is stock as possible when selling. I know why people do what they do. Nothing against what you are saying, love the information and videos, I just like keeping original parts original. Reason why I have a bunch of original harley parts in my way...lol
Very poor grammar - reasons are not why; they just are.
@@georgewetzel4380 didn't mean to offend, just think it's best to keep Harley parts stock as possible that way, especially the engine, can be rebuilt with the original parts. Buy a used set off the internet for boring and modification. We are talking about a twin cam here and they are no longer available...these are great engines. Few bad years, but great years too...Grammar be damn, a set of stock pistons, rings and cylinders (maybe heads) ...yeah right, Grammar, try finding older twin cam, evo, shovel, pan, knuckle standard bore matching number engines...shut up
Cyclinder bore & hone is the only way to go . There are so many stock cyclinders out there for 50 bucks a set & like you said go out to 107 & something happens your not going to throw away a brand new set of cyclinders ! By the way I've never seen a 110 last very long . 103 ,107,110,&117 pistons are not very stable cause they are so short !
That's a really good point, you get into those really short skirted pistons and you can have some problems.
107 all bore or strokers make incredible power
They make some serious torque, paired with the right cam and compression it's a party!
Dont forget to get a stronger compensator, clutch, and and and,
For sure once you get in there and start hopping up the motor you gotta back up all that power.
I went with the S&S 106 and 585 cams. It runs REALLY well!
Those 106 kits are really a sweet spot, they make great power just like the 110's but you don't have all the heat like you get with the 110.
@@GixxerFoo that is good to know.
‘T Man Performance’ get ahold from them !!! High Quality stuff at great prices, they offer a 96 high compression piston there spec piston made by wisco for your 88 motor. match that with Harleys 204 (high rev cam) with Harleys screaming eagle roller rockers with the higher ratio arm. Drop your motor sprocket a few teeth in the primary ( Harley had a kit once that came with the sprocket and chain called the “hole shot kit”) it upped the rpms but made the tire rip. Get head work and compression relief. And Primos 84 tooth ring gear with the screaming eagle clutch spring and plates or a high end clutch. Get screaming eagle ignition for high compression. Topped off with a 2 into 1 ! That set up is extremely responsive quick and hard hitting. It make the bike extremely quick and pulls hard that’s my set up for my 02 Nightrain. I will be putting a new screaming Eagle 6 speed with the same ratios as stock but getting that 6th gear. For it just being a 96 it’s Extremely fast. 0-100 mph Bike all day long. I let my fellow Harley mechanics “Friends” test it out and they All say WOW what’s in that thing after riding it knowing it’s just a 88 year bike most say it one of the fastest bikes they have ever been on! I often wonder how that configuration would be in the 120R motor!
Add a Thunderheader and you will be in bliss
That's a pipe that's been around for a long time and for good reason, they are very hard to beat!
T Man puts together some really solid engine combinations, he's been around a long time and know how to make a Twin Cam run.
Well just got the the Harley shop to start wrenching what a life to live there is Never a dull moment with our customers! Lake city choppers we were once a Harley Dealer but Harley put the license fee crazy high on purpose 2 million dollars plus mandated a new facility! In my opinion Harley should be been thinking of there customers and at least made us a authorized service center. now for the thousands and thousands of bike need to go 2 hours away just for service and those Harley Dealerships are booked solid. We still work on Harleys but have a hard time getting oem parts. It’s a shame Harley pissed a lot of folks off! It’s a sad story of how many small dealerships they closed look into it! In my opinion if Harley couldn’t supply the bikes, everyone of those Dealerships should have been given the “just” authorized service center option!
Your videos are always awesome and informative. I’ll most likely not be in the market for a 107 per se but I have begun my search for a 2013-2014 CVO Road King with the 110. Honestly I think guys building these old twin cams are the best. I love my new bike but I don’t have the same love for it like my older ones now.
The CVO with the 110 is a great buy with a used one, they are a fraction of the cost of what they were new and you still get all the goods with it.
4000.00 got me the d n d borzilla. Arleness big sucker air cleaner. Cams. Clutches. Adjustable pushrods. 103 to 107 big bore kit. Head job and labor. And dyno by powervision
its a good option. when it comes to big bore kits though in my mind the 124 seems not that much farther. like the saying go big or go home lol. i know it is more money because if you are going that big you might as well do the Timken bearing conversion and any other stuff while its open . of course it all adds up to more money. but ohhh baby when its done i bet it would puuuur lol. this is why im debating if i should get a Harley or not because im not sure i could keep my sanity with so many options lol. good vid man
That’s what makes Harleys so great. They have so many options that you have to actually look for a bike built identical to another that were owned by two separate people even on the cosmetic side
Thank you! It really pays off to take the time and go through the bottom end too!
It's crazy how many different options you have for a Harley out there, it's almost unlimited.
@@GixxerFoo ya especially that. its mostly done with a hand drill. tap some holes . put the bearing in and done. there is a bit more to it but not much really. though i did work in a machining dept for 14 years soo lol im no expert by any means though
And yes the 107 would be lots for me!
It's a very cost effective option and it does make some great power!
I don’t know that I need more power. Im pretty sure a chain drive conversion by itself will make me happy. I just discovered by accident that a stock 103 dyna will stand up at a red light
Chain drive sucks . Constant cleaning and lubing, constant chain adjusting.
@@jamesozment1 ride dirtbikes and antiques I really don’t mind a chain
That's a hell of a way to find out!
They can be a pain with the added maintenance at times for sure.
@@GixxerFoo had a car coming up behind me too fast to stop for the light it was get the hell out of the way or get hit. Really never got the front tire more than an inch off the ground but I wasn’t trying either
What he’s forgetting is the dyno tune. Like another 500 IF you can find one in your area.
Dyno tuning is very important, you can get a base map and do some auto tune. The bike will run pretty well and feel strong, but a good dyno tuning will really pull the peak numbers.
ThunderMax ECM and never pay for a dyno tune ever again.
@@rafalopez9141 Dynojet target tune does the same thing if you’re tuning a Powervision as well.
@@bigrednick100 agreed. PowerVision is a great butt tuning option. DIY is where it’s at.
🧐And also what about the fuel tuner and tuning oil pump push rods the cost of the cams and bearings and seals $$$$👌🏽🤷🏽
Resurveyed aviation engines the run wide open and they use nickseal it is super tough
Yo what’s up man …… we’ll I’ll get right to it , WHY is there a juicy QUEEFE at the end of all your videos……😂😂😂😂😂😂
Also my real question
Does hammer do lower ends too .crank connecting rods, bearings and gaskets
I would consider the total budget and spend my first dollars on the cam chest and cam then if budget allows roll to the 107 or 110.
The cam chest is the best place to start, that's really the basis unless you go as far as the crank.
100% but if you go 107 outlaw you'll be in the 120hp+ 130tq .
That's a very hot kit! They throw everything in on that one, it does run very very well.
The 107 runs cooler than the 110.
Oh by far, the 110 run hot due to the lean tuning if you're running it stock or with a EPA approved tune. You put some get a good tune that puts some fuel in there and the difference is dramatic.
@@GixxerFoo I used S&S 107 jugs, Weisco pistons, ported the heads and intake manifold, put in an S&S 585 set of cams with matching valve springs, an S&S oil pump and cam plate. The bike screams. Almost too much motor for the bike. I have had a few plastic body pieces break from vibration. I used a Vance and Hines FP3 tuner. I’m nearly 70 and still addicted to the power.
always go with cam and head work best $ $ SPINT
It's surprising what just a cam and some head work can do, it makes a big difference!
And if you do a really good job and spend enough money, you can make it almost as fast as a stock 1969 750 Honda!
Lol, easy now don't give Harley too much credit. For real though it does take a lot to make a Harley really put some power down.
If you bore out all the way to 107 the spigots will be thin and will crack easier. And you cant bore them again. I just want mine bored and honed just enough to square them up.
That's very true and a lot of thought behind boring the cylinders is that it's a cheaper option than big bore cylinders and stock cylinders aren't super expensive to buy a new set.
I have a 2016 Lowrider thinking about going with a fuel Moto port polish one big board kit. Any thoughts about this? Thank you.
Great video, thank you for posting it I just subscribed. If you have the time to answer this, it would be appreciated if not I understand. I have a 09 SG 96 twin cam stock. I am getting new 107 cylinders 10.5:1 S&S 585 cams, cam plate, high volume oil pump, manual compression release buttons new adjustable pushrods, new lifters, power vision tuner and D&D 2 into 1 Fat cat exhaust. Roughly what numbers for HP and Torque would I see do you think and is there anything else I should have done (like the chain cam tensioners) that I missed to have a reliable ride. Thank you, sir.
Is it better to buy s&s heads with 2” intake . And 165 exhaust or have hammer port my stock ones . I guess I’m asking how much more torque and hp would u guess s&s heads make over stock ones that have been ported by hammer…… also running a 107 10.5/1 what throttle body and jets are required
I thought there a was a reason u couldn’t use the 110 screamin eagle kit on a 96ci? Or am i wrong? I thought only a 103 could go to 110
If you use screaming eagle 110kit then you have to bore lower cases!!! But s&s makes a bolt on 110 kit with thinner selender walls so you don't have to bore your lower cases!!!!
What cams to make the HO TQ. Thanks
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If its the same as a factory 110 you backed up. from my experience a 103 with just a little work will make more power and run better than a cvo 110. I wish someone could explain this maybe cylinder quench
The 103 does not get enough credit, you put some compression and a good cam in a 103 and it will come to life. They run cooler and they will produce way more power. Doing the same to a 110 compared to 103 they make about the same power.
@@GixxerFoo yeah a 110 cvo already has cams heads and a better exhaust than a 103. Send the heads off a 103 to Kendall Johnson get some good cams and exhaust. Then you'll have way more hp for less money.
Heard the 110 kit just generates more heat and not alot more power than the 107 kit.
The power is really comparable, heat management can become an issue on the 110. Harley found that out with the SE 110.
Did you do a video on the negative of doing bigbores or downfalls of the fuel injected 88tc I been looking for it watched all your vids can’t find it lol
There's really not a huge downside to big bores unless you're refering to concerns with the crank that's this video here czcams.com/video/oSmp_mw_ZbM/video.html. I did have a video on the Pre 2003 fuel injection systems concerning the old Magnetti Marelli system here czcams.com/video/V2WRmZuW1lw/video.html.
@@GixxerFoo it might not have been you but there was one saying the head crack west the studs are love your content tho keep it up!
@@GixxerFoo I have the 103...S@S has the complete bolt in 106 with the 585 ez start cam for just under 1700...Yes i i have to use my head and still by the high flow camplate and oil pump...What do you think about that kit?
Dear Gixxerfoo, first thank you for all of what you do. I have a question for you, what woods cam would you recommend to increase as strong as possible horsepower and torque in a 124 ci Twin Cam? Which are the most brutal cams from woods according to you? For a 124 ci twin cam? Thank you very much for your help.. 😊
It really depends on your compression ratio, if you've got some high compression 10.5:1 or more the TW-9F. It doesn't get much more brutal or nasty than that, with a 124 I'm assuming you've got the heads and fuel to support it. That's the hottest street cam there is with a .650 lift. Lol most people want to know the best bolt in cam without having to change the valve springs.
@@GixxerFoo thank you very much, I am looking for something especially streetable... 😊 But more something brutal like to reach 160 Horsepower or more... And about the same in torque... What would you recommend... I change all the engine parts for performance parts already and I get 594 reapers... But it is not crazy.. It works but not crazy... 😊 Tha k you for your help.
I am not looking for something especially streetable sorry... 😊
@@GixxerFoo Thank you very much for your answer, do TW-9F will work with 10.5.1 or do I have to increaqe CR, and if yes, which CR do I have to have and how to get there ? New Piston Kit ? Bigger CNC ported heads? as I have 89 mm actually, but I can get the 91 mm one s..thank you fro all of your help again ..:)
Im 96-107 Im in!
Boring the cylinders is a lot cheaper than a kit with new cylinders and you don't have the heat issues of the 110.
A 96 with a cam cam I run 89 octane
Even stock I would run 91, with a cam it's going to be imperative to run 91 or better.
Hey brother enjoy the videos have a question I have a 103- 2015 ultra classic looking to add more power I have Vansen Hines power dual headers a 4 1/2 slip on’s do you recommend cams or should I do a complete stage three kit thank you
Cams can really add some power to a 103, they have the extra displacement over the 96 which helps quite a bit. The power numbers are really close going with a 107 kit, but you do gain 10 to 15 ftlbs of torque over a cammed 103. Here's a video on 103 cams czcams.com/video/ixeV1wRzsoY/video.html, this highlights some of the best ones out there for power and torque.
@@GixxerFoo thank you for your reply and info just out of curiosity what screaming eagle cams do you recommend as I’m trying to keep extended warranty and what exhaust should I go with or keep the exhaust I have thank you brother
What is a good bolt in cam for a 103 in a switchback? In the 2000 to 4500 rpm range.
It's hard to beat a Wood cam but here's my entire 103 cam video, there's some excellent low to mid range cams here czcams.com/video/ixeV1wRzsoY/video.html.
I watch your video over and over, love the content, thanks
S&S 585
🤔What about the throttle body and injectors🧐
The stock throttle body and injectors will handle a 107 build, you'd have to get a lot bigger for those to become a factor.
TC can easily and cheaply make good power compared to evo imho.
Both of those motors have their good and bad points to them, but you can make either engine solid. Evo takes a bit more as the power goes up.
@@GixxerFoo true the other point is if you aren’t doing the work yourself the cost of big bore and labor might as well just dump in a 111. 🤷♂️
My budddies 2015 103 road glide makes 115hp and 123tq with screaming eagle race tuner, v&h x pipe, intake and drago cams (forgot what mufflers he is running).
S&S has 110 kit for $2,800 includes: cylinders, pistons, cams, quicky push rods, oil pump, cam plate and a few other odds and ends I’m forgetting. Start talking for $2,000 I’d rather go the s&s 110 route for an extra $800 and have everything new aside from the crank
S&S is the way to go with that cam chest upgrade, replacing the oil pump and cam plate is something Harley should include with their kit. But the cams with the S&S kit are way better than the SE cams.
Just did this one , my first engine build. Cams are fairly mild, which cams would you recommend ? I got 103 hp and 113 torque witch comes on strong at 1800 rpm and holds strong until 4500 .
Twin cam 103-107
103 heads cleaned up and port matched , S&S 650” springs
58mm CVO throttle body
5.3 g/s screaming eagle injectors
103 factory barrels bored to 107
Wiseco Trekker pistons and rings 10.5-1 compression
Andrews 54H cams
S&S crank and flywheels
Fueling cam plate and HV oil pump
Fueling HV lifters
Fueling hydraulic tensioners
S&S adjustable pushrods
Vance & Hines true duels exhaust
Damn that's a pretty hot build as is, the 54H is really designed for a bit lower compression. You might check out the Wood TW6-6, that would make you're horsepower and torque off the chart with what you already have done!
@@GixxerFoo The bikes running fantastic at the moment,I can’t get off it 😂. I haven’t come across that cam you mentioned before so I’ll look into it right now. Great channel ,thanks for advise it’s much appreciated. Cheers 🍺 from down under 😎
what about the S&S 106 kit?
The 106 kit isn't bad but for the price difference the 107 with added compression is a much better deal.
👍🤘😎🇦🇺 Awesome info as always 👌
Thank you, I appreciate it!
I already have some engine works, cams, clutch and others I’m already pushing 115 torque and 98hp. Would boring out my heads to 107 give me a big bump at this point ?
Im on a 103*
It for sure wouldn't hurt, sounds like you're already on a really good path though. Those are really good numbers, it sounds like you already have a hot cam and some compression, do you have the heads ported?
@@GixxerFoo woods cam, heads ported, bigger valves and rinehart slippons, cat delete and intake of course
@@GixxerFoo changed the slipons to the thunderheader 2-1 just that pushed me up to 121tq/101hp. Really thinking about going up to 107 now, since I already have higher compression and valves with the woods TW-400 I don’t know if I should just send the cylinder out to hammer and just get them bored
Those aftermarket bat wing farrings are disgusting
They work on some bikes but some they are for sure better left off.
No heads?
Head porting is always optional, it's worth the extra money if you can swing it.
Does all this work with the stock throttle body?
It will run really well with the stock throttle body, going larger is negligable as to the power gains. It's often not enough return on the investment for what the throttle bodies cost. Now if you're going to a 124 or something a throttle body is worth the investment.
@@GixxerFoo Thanks for the reply and information.
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