Did Dinosaurs Have Feathers? | The Creation Podcast: Episode 38

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  • čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
  • According to many sources, some dinosaurs had feathers and eventually evolved into birds. But Scripture says that birds and dinosaurs were each created by God on two different days of the creation week-and that birds were actually created first, completely separate from dinosaurs. So what's the truth?
    In this episode, Dr. Tim Clarey, ICR's geologist, dives into the evidence-from Scripture and from the fossil record-that shows the real relationship between these two kinds of creatures.
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Komentáře • 95

  • @mycabbages3538
    @mycabbages3538 Před rokem +14

    My 8 year old daughter was asking me about this today cause all her library books say it.

    • @Stevenbfg
      @Stevenbfg Před 4 měsíci +1

      Classic parental indoctrination.

  • @nkarunytb
    @nkarunytb Před rokem +8

    I Thank God for Team ICR for this Podcast on this specific topic 👏👏 Really Appreciate all the points discussed explaining the topic of 'Did Dinosaurs have feathers'.
    One humble Suggestion/request from me is that if you could show pictures of the specific discussion point that is talked about so that it helps the viewer relate better.
    For eg:
    - picture of the archaeopetryx for a few seconds while talking about it.
    - Graphical representation of The layers of fossil Jurrasic, Terrasic, Creataceous etc. Through pictures where Archaeopetryx was and where The Therapods were at.
    - Drawings of The Hip structure difference between erect reptiles and Birds walking on Knees mentioned in the discussion. Showing pictures side by side with markings for better reference.
    - pictures of The compressed Dolphin experiment where the Collagen showing as feather like lines etc.
    Thanks in Advance 👍
    God Bless
    Shalom
    ☺️

  • @hexo-mobius
    @hexo-mobius Před rokem +9

    @ICR you made mention to "Scientists" and certain "research" but you gave NO names and no reference to these research by name. It would be helpful and make your case stronger if actually call out the actual names of the scientists and also the research that you are referring to. Including the finding that you state there from the NatGeo that was a hoax. Where is the evidence of said "hoax"?

    • @domblack6288
      @domblack6288 Před rokem +3

      Here’s a links to articles that support what this man said. One is Wikipedia so you’ll have to check their sources.
      www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2270928/
      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeoraptor

    • @wms72
      @wms72 Před rokem +1

      @@domblack6288 Thank you!

    • @midnitemoon1153
      @midnitemoon1153 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@domblack6288 Oh hey, Archaeoraptor, isn’t the back part of it the microraptor holotype? Think it is. I love it how we have such great specimens that that Dromaeosaur but the first one was literally just the tail and legs haha

    • @midnitemoon1153
      @midnitemoon1153 Před 11 měsíci

      The one they mentioned with Sinosauropteryx is Alan Feduccia. He’s some quack who engages in motivated reasoning cause he’s part of this little club called BAND (birds are not dinosaurs). From what I’ve heard, they swore a pact or something to deny all evidence in favor of a predetermined conclusion. If you read any of the papers on this animal though you would realize the man’s claims are baseless and contradict the facts

  • @williamhoward2731
    @williamhoward2731 Před rokem +5

    I wish to thank you for sharing this Did Dinosaurs Have Feathers Podcast # 38 video with me .

  • @newcreationinchrist1423
    @newcreationinchrist1423 Před rokem +28

    they give them feathers because they want dinosaurs to be the ancestors of birds. Try as they may. 🙂🙏

    • @haggismcbaggis9485
      @haggismcbaggis9485 Před 11 měsíci +3

      I do not think it really matters to biologists what birds are related to. They are just going were the evidence leads them.

    • @faithtruth8036
      @faithtruth8036 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@haggismcbaggis9485 Going where the evidence leads is exactly what they are not doing.

    • @haggismcbaggis9485
      @haggismcbaggis9485 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@faithtruth8036 Caudipteryx zoui is an early Cretaceous example of a feathered theropod that has many birdlike features.

    • @midnitemoon1153
      @midnitemoon1153 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@faithtruth8036 ever heard of things like Beipiaosaurus or Anchiornis?

    • @midnitemoon1153
      @midnitemoon1153 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@haggismcbaggis9485 theirs also creatures like Shuvuuia

  • @georgejacob6378
    @georgejacob6378 Před 11 měsíci +3

    Not millions of years...but few weeks of the flood....wow what an explanation.

  • @faithtruth8036
    @faithtruth8036 Před 11 měsíci +4

    I have no problem if a dinosaur did have feathers because a designer could use the same structure for more than one thing.

  • @sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462
    @sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Feathered Dinosaurs look silly and wrong. I'm old school, I like the way they looked in the late 90s even if Jurassic Park is exaggerated fiction.

  • @dadsonworldwide3238
    @dadsonworldwide3238 Před rokem +5

    Ironically I had deep fried dinosaur for supper.
    Finger licking good KFC lol

  • @rollingstone3017
    @rollingstone3017 Před rokem +11

    There are a lot of crazy theories out there, but making dinosaurs turn into flying birds is absolutely insane.

    • @rollingstone3017
      @rollingstone3017 Před rokem

      @@travisbicklepopsicle Because there is NO vast amount of data supporting that even slightly. It has long been proven fake.

    • @faithtruth8036
      @faithtruth8036 Před 11 měsíci

      @@travisbicklepopsicle There is no proof of dinosaurs evolving into birds only unprovable hypothesis.

    • @midnitemoon1153
      @midnitemoon1153 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@travisbicklepopsicleBased response. When literal creation backs up a claim yet you deny it that’s when their’s some sort of motivated reasoning going on

    • @netwrench6570
      @netwrench6570 Před 7 měsíci

      The theropod link is tenuous and is not settled, but theory.

    • @tdoc666___
      @tdoc666___ Před 6 měsíci

      @@travisbicklepopsicle bro i swear , i never saw a more ridiculous comment in my life, and you deceive people with this craps? do they even buy it? OMG, people really need to wake up, *YOU LITTERALLY JUST MOCKED HIS THEORY WHICH IS TRUE BTW* with stupid non-sense words, what are you trying to do? explain me... im not that easy to trick, if you want to trick me you would need actual evidence, not mambo jumbo here and there, you trying to deceive people, that's it, if someone with my analytical abilities, he/she would quickly see the mambo jumbo used in your statement, you can only trick people who are easily trickable, keep that in mind while you keep working on your comedy script...the fun fact is that you are so into your script that you have litterally deceived even yourself, yoooooooooo REBOOT YOUR SYSTEM dude, you have a memory segmentation fault failure exception!!!

  • @deanweaver4469
    @deanweaver4469 Před rokem +10

    Always blessed with true science. Elementary school taught that humans were related to monkeys and over time the tails were gone. So I sort of believed it because of our "tail bone"😂

    • @haggismcbaggis9485
      @haggismcbaggis9485 Před 11 měsíci

      There are tailless monkeys and there are also apes. The Manx cat is also tailless.

    • @midnitemoon1153
      @midnitemoon1153 Před 11 měsíci +2

      I know right, they could’ve taught us so many other cool things like how both our constricted and non-constricted DNA forms a nested hierarchy with other primates

    • @midnitemoon1153
      @midnitemoon1153 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@travisbicklepopsicle well at least you saw it

    • @netwrench6570
      @netwrench6570 Před 7 měsíci +3

      Except the DNA is not 98% similar, but in the mid 80% and reuse of structure does not a cousin make.

    • @Stevenbfg
      @Stevenbfg Před 4 měsíci

      No ape has a tail.

  • @iGageit
    @iGageit Před rokem +4

    You should take part of these podcasts and make them into CZcams Shorts! :)

  • @flow7230
    @flow7230 Před rokem +5

    Hi ! I come from Switzerland and i speak french. I would ask you if you could make a french version of your videos :D
    I know that the channel "Bible et science" translated one of your videos but i need more ahahaha ;)
    Thank you so much for your job and be blessed

    • @faithtruth8036
      @faithtruth8036 Před 11 měsíci

      You should do that yourself it would be great.

  • @marcusmuse4787
    @marcusmuse4787 Před 6 měsíci +1

    There was an apparent contradiction in the bible on day 5 God created "birds" but science tells us that birds came from dinosaurs and dinosaurs were created after on day 6 but the Hebrew word for flying creatures was used "oph" and this meant not only flying insects but all flying creatures including birds there were 130 flying pterosaurs that existed before land animals, so science and the bible have been harmonized. It's the newer interpretations that sometimes trip people up.

  • @sandiec6063
    @sandiec6063 Před 11 měsíci +1

    What about the fact that dinosaurs were coldblooded reptiles and wouldnt survive with feathers?

  • @MetroplexAerials
    @MetroplexAerials Před rokem +2

    Was that the Perot Museum?

  • @zerosteel027
    @zerosteel027 Před rokem +4

    Thanks ICR

  • @guylelanglois6642
    @guylelanglois6642 Před rokem +1

    I really don't understand the reasoning of the whole dinosaurs to birds scenario. Usually, there is some diabolical reason to confuse people, but why is this important enough for them to push it so hard?

    • @midnitemoon1153
      @midnitemoon1153 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Cause your crowd decided to attack the thing ofc. It’s not like you guys are repeatedly claiming that basal synapsids didn’t evolve into mammals or something

    • @norbix-od7rt
      @norbix-od7rt Před měsícem

      couse its the truth

  • @calebthomas1453
    @calebthomas1453 Před 11 měsíci +3

    My brain basically debunked everything this guy said. It hurt... it hurt alot.

    • @icrscience
      @icrscience  Před 11 měsíci +3

      I'm sorry about your brain. :/

    • @calebthomas1453
      @calebthomas1453 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@icrscience Thanks...?

    • @midnitemoon1153
      @midnitemoon1153 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Lol I’m about to go through the works too. Hopefully they don’t say anything too stupid, as I’ve read a ton of papers on this kinda stuff

  • @kevinpoe8137
    @kevinpoe8137 Před rokem +2

    Dinosaurs are cool, feathered or not

  • @scottstm7
    @scottstm7 Před rokem +1

    Hm,.. at the top, do they really think/be lie eve that??

  • @rydrakeesperanza5370
    @rydrakeesperanza5370 Před rokem +2

    7:22 I could be wrong, but isn't the hip structure of Archaeopteryx more dinosaur like?
    Even if dinosaurs did have feathers, didn't someone say common design = common designer? They have scales, after all
    What about Troodontidae having pennaceous feathers? Is that, too, just collagen remnants?
    Hold on, I forgot about Zhenyuanlong from 2015
    I'd be more careful with Lingham-Soliar after I read a critique of his work "ON THE PURPORTED PRESENCE OF FOSSILIZED
    COLLAGEN FIBRES IN AN ICHTHYOSAUR AND A
    THEROPOD DINOSAUR" by Smithwick (as not everything came down to resolution). I haven't read Soliar's paper nor am I an expert in that field but this paper seems convincing.

    • @oldfart269
      @oldfart269 Před 11 měsíci

      The papers all sound convincing until you realize they are written "to the choir." I have read papers written by Berkeley professors that were just awful at the glaring questions that arise as the paper was read, questions so blatant as to require an answer. There were none.
      As you read these papers, ask questions of the material presented and you will see what I mean.

    • @midnitemoon1153
      @midnitemoon1153 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@oldfart269 Went ahead and did that and the explanation they gave made sense. I say you cut out the hasty generalization fallacy and stop your motivated reasoning

    • @midnitemoon1153
      @midnitemoon1153 Před 11 měsíci +1

      lol they just claim troodontids to be birds, also yes, Archaeopteryx’s hip had a less retroverted (swooped back) pubis than modern birds. Honestly most birds were like that in the Cretaceous

    • @norbix-od7rt
      @norbix-od7rt Před měsícem

      birds have scales as well if you look at a chckien feet youll see it

    • @rydrakeesperanza5370
      @rydrakeesperanza5370 Před měsícem

      @@norbix-od7rt It was some time ago but I think that's what I meant with the "They have scales after all" part, guess I should've phrased that better

  • @goldeneagleeagle7240
    @goldeneagleeagle7240 Před 4 měsíci

    Why did pterosaurs get buried in the jurassic if they were good flyers shouldn't they be buried only in the cretaceous?

  • @goldeneagleeagle7240
    @goldeneagleeagle7240 Před 4 měsíci

    Because the bird like dinosaurs diversified the most in the cretaceous

  • @sharondoty7145
    @sharondoty7145 Před 6 měsíci

    it would help to name the Paleontologist mentioned a few times.

  • @spongebombepicpants1073
    @spongebombepicpants1073 Před rokem +2

    And what about the arm bones of Velociraptor, where were found marks for possible feathers?

    • @wms72
      @wms72 Před rokem +5

      He explained those were pressured collagen

    • @rodericgurrola1745
      @rodericgurrola1745 Před rokem +4

      Also they say the velociraptor had feathers because it had supposed quill knobs. I looked into this and found out that quill knobs are for flight but that doesn’t make any sense cause those arm’s definitely won’t get him off the ground. Evolutionary paleontologists realized that so they said that they used them to do a free fall like the chickens in Minecraft only they go a bit faster in reality. I saw this in the new show prehistoric planet God gave the artists and animators a great gift pray for them. Besides that it may seem very convincing but I realized if it did have feathers it would have suffered because it can’t clean its feathers. You see you need a beak to clean feathers because just washing in water isn’t enough. You have to cause they’ll get knotted and clump up and that is really bad. Look at the mouth of velociraptor you think those long teeth will clean feathers trust me my brother it won’t. Now some may argue what about the extinct birds we’ve found they have teeth. This is true but if you look at the teeth of velociraptor and those guys you see the difference. You see there mouth is beak shaped and the teeth are tiny not huge those tiny teeth will actually help clean it’s feathers while the velociraptors big curved teeth won’t. One more thing the supposed quill knobs. There are two possibilities of what they are the first one is most likely that while the waters of the flood were coming and burying them quickly in sediment that some water came in to the fossil and did something to the bone like the collagen fiber thing. Or they are for connecting nerves and tissue. An evolutionist said this when he looked at a oviraptor fossil. Any way God bless. And just to let you know even if they find a actual dinosaur fossil with feathers don’t be swayed if they say this is proof. Cause we shouldn’t be It just be another example how creative and wonderful God is. 1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

    • @rydrakeesperanza5370
      @rydrakeesperanza5370 Před rokem +2

      @@rodericgurrola1745 I heard that oviraptoran and the like feathers might've been for display more than just insulation like the more proto-feathers, just like certain male birds have long and/or colourful retrices or upper coverts that give them a disadvantage in flight, or, I assume at least, the birds with a long feather on each wing
      could you elaborate on the quill knob flood though? How could the waters have shaped the knobs into the arm bone but not in other bones or dinosaurs or rather do you perhaps know the exact process?
      For the preening I found an interesting article called "Evolution of flight-feather preening revealed in new fossil skeleton of Saurornitholestes langstoni" which claims that that dino has a tooth they assume is for preening which was also identified in velociraptor

    • @midnitemoon1153
      @midnitemoon1153 Před 11 měsíci +2

      It’s not just velociraptor either, plenty of Oviraptorosaurs have these same impressions too

  • @goldeneagleeagle7240
    @goldeneagleeagle7240 Před 4 měsíci

    The collagen idea had been disproves that is why it is being dismissed and bird paleontologists agree with dinosaur paleontologists

  • @goldeneagleeagle7240
    @goldeneagleeagle7240 Před 4 měsíci

    I'm sorry but microraptor is a raptor not a bird and nobody is saying it is a bird

  • @bruceboyer8187
    @bruceboyer8187 Před 9 měsíci

    Could there be extinct creatures that had features of dinosaurs and had feathers? Creatures such as the platypus don't fit either.

  • @goldeneagleeagle7240
    @goldeneagleeagle7240 Před 4 měsíci

    Do u know gutsick gibbon

  • @gagecrozier7672
    @gagecrozier7672 Před 4 měsíci +1

    They think birds can be dinosaurs, just like they think men can be women.

  • @goldeneagleeagle7240
    @goldeneagleeagle7240 Před 4 měsíci

    Birds did not descend from cretaceous bird like dinosaurs theyou have their own branch plus look at a theropod phylogeny two related Clades should look a like regardless of time periods

  • @goldeneagleeagle7240
    @goldeneagleeagle7240 Před 4 měsíci

    At 10:13 I'm starting to get bored

  • @goldeneagleeagle7240
    @goldeneagleeagle7240 Před 4 měsíci

    U have never seen archaeopteryx skeleton

  • @Firedrake-SP
    @Firedrake-SP Před 10 měsíci

    I never believe that birds and dinosaurs are related.

  • @goldeneagleeagle7240
    @goldeneagleeagle7240 Před 4 měsíci

    Hey guys dromaesuarids are birds I can't believe some birds have four wings and have normal mouths

  • @goldeneagleeagle7240
    @goldeneagleeagle7240 Před 4 měsíci

    Look at archaeopteryx skeleton

  • @goldeneagleeagle7240
    @goldeneagleeagle7240 Před 4 měsíci

    Birds with dinosaurs hips and long bony tail why did u ignore the hip

  • @captivedesk3168
    @captivedesk3168 Před 7 měsíci +1

    The amount of nonsense in this video is truly impressive

  • @goldeneagleeagle7240
    @goldeneagleeagle7240 Před 4 měsíci

    Furcula, air sacs that go through bones, number of finger , archaeopteryx had more similar hip to velociraptor, how they nest,antorbital fenestra,acetabular fenestra , quill knobs same as birds in structure and location proof of vanes feathers, bony tail in archaeopteryx and velociraptor, velociraptor backward facing pubis more bird like the the Rex like almost identical to archaeopteryx, full meat covered mouth in both archaeopteryx and velociraptor with non heterodnot teeth
    just how much have u forgot to me this is more than enough to prove that birds are dinosaurs and just how many other peoplease are trying to spot the lies

  • @analieromero
    @analieromero Před rokem +1

    Birds evolved into Dinosaur, and a few tens of millions years later Dinos evolved back into birds. Simple.

  • @karlsapp7134
    @karlsapp7134 Před rokem

    Secular Science?

  • @midnitemoon1153
    @midnitemoon1153 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Who’s gonna tell this guy that we know that those impressions on Sinosauropteryx were feathers because they preserve melanosomes, you know, a structure that gives feathers their color? Oh and don’t just say “those supposed melanosomes were actually just bacteria” cause they’re only found In the darker filaments, not light areas. Did I also mention that these things are preserved with a gap between the bones so would’ve been external to the skin?
    You people do nothing other than give Christianity a bad name. You ignore God’s record he spoke through creation in favor of some ancient book, and mislead children into believing lies

    • @johnycoho7830
      @johnycoho7830 Před 7 měsíci +1

      That ancient book is the word of God. They are calling God truthful by saying His word is true.

  • @goldeneagleeagle7240
    @goldeneagleeagle7240 Před 4 měsíci

    Ur the biggest lier

  • @georgejacob6378
    @georgejacob6378 Před 11 měsíci +2

    What an absurd fellow this guy is..every word he says is silly...what else can be expected