How Well Did Gran Turismo 7 Recreate The 992 GT3 RS?
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- čas přidán 8. 12. 2023
- The 1.40 Gran Turismo 7 Update added several cars. Here I compare the 992 GT3 RS to it's real life counterpart to see just how well Polyphony managed to re-create this feat of engineering!
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I would like to point out that the fact that GT does not let you access every single parameter of a car's setup or physics parameter, doesn't mean that it is not actually computed at run time. I see this misconception going around a lot. For instance, I can't change the caster angle of my front wheels, yet that doesn't mean that the caster angle of each car is not accurately modeled, which it is. The detail in this game is insane, and that includes physics, aerodynamics and suspension geometry. Please just stop saying it is not a sim, I know you are afraid that some PC master-tards come and attack you in the comment, but the fact that the game runs on console, doesn't make it automatically 'not a sim' as a matter of principle. This semantic pandering is ridiculous and won't age well.
Nailed it on the head. I also find many PC sim racing elitists will say that just because a game is harder, it means it’s more realistic. Like they deliberately want a car or game to be difficult to drive. Sure it’s fun, but many real racing or test drivers have said in the past that often times the real life car is easier to drive than in a sim. I agree that people judge GT7 far too harshly, it is by far one of the most satisfying sim racing experiences I’ve had thus far. And his comment at the end seems quite self-contradictory; if a game represents its real life counterpart nearly perfectly, then it deserves to be called a sim.
Also... Name a sim that does rain/variable weather better than GT7
Thank you ❤
People who say Gran Turismo 7 is arcade last played Gran Turismo about 10 years ago or either they're just biased towards their favorite simulator that can't be criticized and no other sims can do better in any aspects according to them
@@thenuvolari9834 the last arcade like GT was GT5
I do own the 992 GT3 RS and it is insane how close to realism the 992 GT3 RS is in the game. Really perfect work
That's a dream of mine to get one, one day. But for the moment i can drive it in gt7 i guess lmao
Can confirm
not the sound tho.
Typical digital GT sound...
@@jortepapTheir sound replications are much better than in previous instalments though. Still not as good as some games but they are surely heading in the right direction
@@nicolaisvane6542
yes way better than before but still doesn't sound like a real car. Dirt Rally (2.0) those sound like real cars!!
When people say that "GT7 is not a sim" is because they refer to certain simplifications to the simulation and setup model to make it less cumbersome (i.e. Tyre Pressures and Temps are always optimal, setups aren't as complex as other sims) but GT definitely does an amazing job in replicating how cars feel to drive to their real life counterparts, sometimes much better than the very sims we are comparing to.
I've heard from people who owned cars that are in-game that they drive pretty much like that irl.
And the fact that GT7 isn't a full fledged sim isn't to discredit the devs. It's actually a very conscious decision to make the game simpler to understand for a more casual audience without actually dumbing down the overall experience - because if you do drive GT7 like a sim, you'd find out it's very on point with many others on the market.
GT7 actually does simulate tire temperature, it just doesn't make it obvious. Pressure would be nice but considering in most other sims you just set it as low as possible or hit a specific number, does it really matter that much?
Gt does stock cars well. But it's when modified that shit hits the fan, especially when heavily modified.
it is a Game not a sim but is usefull to jump to real sim like assetto, iracing,rfactor or automobilista
@@alexpanameno8450 these are all games too, buddy. Each one of them with their own issues and limitations.
The only "real sim" is those whose professional teams use to develop cars and motorsport divisions.
I have actually owned several of the cars in GT7 and I can tell you that (for instance) the S2000 drives *exactly* like a real S2000. Same goes for the Porsche 930. It’s an awesome simulator and it definitely isn’t “Simcade”. I can’t vouch for the high downforce race cars, but the street cars are sublime.
2005 Mini. Spot on as well. It may not be a “perfect, hardcore simulator”, but it’s a simulator nonetheless
Agreed with my BRZ
i think stock road cars were always gt's forte
I actually setup the s2000 to be as close as possible to my s2000 including alignment and damper specs, and it was kind of weird how similarly the car behaved, I used to get alot of low speed understeer on tight corners and in GT7 the car behaved similarly. I even tried to get as close as possible by regearing the ap1 to have ap2 characteristics. The FK8 I did the same thing and it definitely does exactly what it did in real life. Rotates predictably under trail braking, understeers when you aren't patient on exit.
I definitely agree with you. As someone who’s taken my Z to the track with and without aero. It is VERY close real life. Especially after inputting my alignment settings.
I think there is a lot of elitism in the SIM Racing community. A mentality has been created that "GT is a videogame", therefore inaccurate, which definitely does not correspond to reality.
I think that as time passes, and people experience GT again, the tendency is for more and more people to realize that GT is a Full Sim. It may be inaccurate in some things, but the whole package is fantastic for Petrolheads.
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Not a ''full sim'' in terms of simulation racing and realism as the mechanics aren't really based exactly as real world cars. But a full experience it is, its more fun than real sim games. So many cars etc, you need to cut corners somewhere. You notice this especially if you try to slip angle, powerslide or drift in GT7. You start noticing that traction has a bit different mechanic than ''sim'' games. I do agree wtih your last statement, its the whole package that makes it fantastic for petrolheads.
are the other sims not video games? lol
I mean, hey, driving forza or GT does not even feel like the same activity as driving ACC but thats the point.
Most people want to play a game, not slog out learning to become a pretend racing driver. Both have a place and i want neither to become like the other.
@@Gocuntthey really are. I still put GT7 ahead of the vanilla versions. A lot of mods and fan made changes have heavily improved the other sims, that GT7 can’t compete with thousands of hours of free code made by people who just want the game to play the way they want.
I own a Toyota GR86, and the GR86 in game feels very close to my car! Even the gear ratios are pretty spot on. It’s amazing how well the game can simulate my daily driver
People are quick to brush off GT7 because its not a full sim, but its hilarious how the same people have been begging for a PC port just to make it easier to grab the car models for modding. Say whatever you want about GT, but its still the most sim in the sim-cade category, and has bar none the best car models in video games.
The cars feel so real when you slide out of bends and when it bounces out of the nurburgring carousel is sick, the spinning over humps and over apexes, this game is art and glad I’m alive to experience e racing in 2024
The Porsche 992 GT3 RS 2022 in Gran Turismo 7 sounded almost identical to real life.
That's because since Gran Turismo 2 they've been going out there recording the real car engine sounds.
Thanks for making this video, it was fun to watch.
I was imaging it with track representation also at same season and time of day, as close as possible. really cool demonstration of simulated reality.
Fun fact, the suspension height on this 911 gt3 rs does change automatically while driving, which is why when tuning suspension it is recommended to set the suspension height to the default setting or else you get instability
This is one of the best GT videos I've ever seen, congrats!
Please do more! 😅
That's amazing - don't have time yet to watch it but thank you for putting this together !
Good work from PD. It's obvious that the real life version has greater grip in the slow to mid speed corners but PD looked to have worked around this by providing a little extra top speed to even it out.
GT7 makes all stock tires trash so that’s probably a big factor.
@@defyyourlogic487 yeah anything less than "sport soft" is total garbage. The tire tiers and standardized setup options are what make it seem unrealistic, not the driving itself.
Also, online is total BS. Races are full of punters who take no damage, and time trials are full of cheaters who abuse track limits and exploit downshift/overrevving to slow down way faster than would ever really be possible. Simulated damage and engine damage would fix those things
i think using sport soft tires would be more "realistic" because they use like michelin pilot sport tires wich are quiet sticky
in the video is he using medium or soft sport tyre ?@@Chefonspeed
this comment means GT7 is less of a sim and more of a FRAUD sim. "let's not worry how we model the grip levels, we know the handling is broken, let's just adjust the top speed to even it out". I believe this is how they create their lap times to be accurate. Which tires were used in this video?
this is honestly one of the most badazz gt7 vs real life vids I've seen in a long time. awesome work.
incredible lap you did there to come so close to that original!
such an amazing, high quality content, good job!
ive tried alot of different sims but i always gravitate back to gt. to say its not a sim is absolutely absurd. i was at the nurburgring late 2022 and the only sim that felt alike to the real life experience with the same car in the same conditions was gt7. im sorry to all that spent way too much money on a master class pc just to play "real sims" but reality is that playstation is more than close enough for a much lesser price tag. i will say that the only thing gt7 gets more wrong than other sims particulary at the nordschleife is the feel of elevation but other than that it feels exactly right
Play in VR and you’ll experience the elevation changes are pretty accurate
Years ago that generation of GT prepared me well to run at Laguna Seca!
@@Bad8oy yup i think that should be next on my wishlist
@@sensualeye its a wonderful feeling to finally drive a circuit that youve driven thousands of laps on sims! laguna seca would be fun to visit! i envy you
@@henlienr22 I hope you get a chance to run any of the tracks. Google “track days” or “open track” and go check it out.
All I know is it drives like a dream in game.
I always wonder how is it not a sub when the two times area usually almost identical to real life. Because u can't adjust tire pressure, that's dumb, it simulators an optimal pressure, other so called sims overcomplicate stuff and make driving harder than it is in real life. I heard Kaz say that driving is easy, easy to learn but hard to master, and GT simulates that
Thx for replying to my comment on the civic vid, I had forgotten about this
This is peak simulation! I can also tell, that he behaviour of the cars in the game is pretty similiar or exactly on point compared to the real ones. They really did their job great. Nothing will beat Gran Turismo overall. There may be more details in other games, but therefore lacking other type of content. Gran Turismo FOREVER!
This was awesome, thanks.
Respect 🫡
I’ve always wondered the same thing. Wow. The game just leveled up a notch imo 👍
I love Gran Tourismo. I've been playing since GT1. I wish some of the old tracks would come back, because that was always the thing, seeing those evolve. GT8 is going to be utterly photo real. Imagine GT on like 80 or 100 Tflops.
This is literally my favorite to use in the game. It brings me such joy to hang with Gr. 2 and even Gr. 1 cars on some tracks.
This is really impressive, great job GT7!
you know how real this thing is when you put on VR. unfortunately VR makes me sick for the rest of the day.
The game looks better than real life, great driving!
its crazy that for brief moments of the two cars side by side its hard to tell which is the real one and which one is the game .
What a cool video format: subscribed.
Fantastic work! Not sure if it's just the weather setting in-game or you've adjusted it in post but the colour grading for the GT7 onboard is almost photorealistic. Amazing stuff!
(Still no RR layout Gr.3 car or GT3R in GT7 yet 🥲...)
GT7 is by no means a Simcade. Its a full sim. Both visually and physics wise. Its so realistic
Nope, a lot of simplification on droving physics. It is not a full sim.
Said by someone who probably never drove a car before lmao.
@@ObatukabarugaAside from having a lot of driving experience I compeeted in under 18 and under 21 karting championships in my country and won a few trophies too. So I'd say I have more than the normal "driving experience".
Imagine assuming something a about someone without knowing a single thing about them. Look how stupid you look now.
@@radityaindera3442 yeah fair point, but in the sense of how well it replicates real life times and performance it's quite up there. One of the best
@@huski1 Talking like that, i don't think even think you have experienced a full sim. Get a proper setup (not some G29 or a t300rs, get a good setup) and go for some laps in iRacing or AC/ACC, it can't even be compared to GT7.
I’ve bought the GR Yaris after driving it on gt7 and test it in real life, it’s REALLY REALLY CLOSE, specially know with the VR2
GT is incredible
More of these real life comparison videos plz.
if you pause exactly at 4:18 both GT3 RS are at 108km/h and second gear.
And when you press play they accelerate and change gear at the same time.
crazy...
That was some awesome driving though
Nice. Would be nice to own GT3RS one day.
really cool
I don't have drivers licence, but i do drive automatic, and manual at home. Ford F150 Lariat and Subaru Outback PZEV 5 speed manual.
I have a z34 and tried to match the mods from my real car to the one in-game. I used the game to get "seat time" before I participate to go on track days for real. I just can't simulate in game a torsen style rear diff so I guess I tried haha
very impressive
That,s sick
We need a Driveclub 2
Yet people say gt7 physic aint real
The detail in this game is outstanding! I really love it!
best car game of all time long life gran turismo 🙌
The 992 GT3 RS is my new favorite in GT7. Although I have very limited real life experience on tracks in lesser cars, I must admit ACC feels more like the real thing, but GT7 is still a great game.
Cant wait for gt7 to recreate the 2001 911! I also hope they have some porsches!
I have a 2004 STi and I haven't seen a game that does a good job of conveying the action of the front LSD or the active central differential...or the sound of the exhaust 😉
If it simulates, its a sim period. Good vid.
GT7 is a pretty realistic game, considering it's not designed to be a full sim and is catered towards controller players predominantly, the fact it's so close is testament to their development. The only thing I actively dislike about the game is that 95% of the cars suffer from chronic understeer.
Default setup maybe but you can easily fix that understeerx
@@Celatra Nah gt7 is just an understeer heavy game compared to real life and compared to simulators like ACC and AC.
The front end is just very stiff in 7 due the the amount of cars leading to less time spent actually developing them individually.
It can be minimised but the game is still very understeer heavy.
i have played ACC and while i know ACC is more realistic than GT7, i wouldnt call every car in GT7 understeer heavy. tho what i do notice is that cars that should carry lots of downforce, don't.@@IsSalty
@@Celatra Yeah when I say every car is understeer heavy, I mean mainly in relation to other games that use the same cars, but even then It's not "all of them" I just feel like they are in general, but I think the reasoning for that is acceptible, GT7 has what 500 cars? It's unreasonable to expect the developers to hand tune every single one to be close to real life, so for me it just feels like generally speaking they seem to have a bit more understeer, compare that to ACC which has 45 cars, the devs of ACC have far more time to hand tune each one.
GT7 is a fantastic game though, the perfect middle ground between Simcade and Sim.
You should make a video about LMP1-H cars, how to get more realistic setup
howd you get those measurments on replay :') i want thatt
Overall pretty close but they missed a few trees
Hey man are you in VR? I have never seen this view before when playing GT7.
Hey guys, i wanna know what software u use for the telemetry?
It's all cool how the game is, and it went about as I exoected it to. But MY question is, how did you do the stuff with the replay?
Many previous Gran Turismo games had weird simplifications such as treating cars as a spherical cow, having phantom forces that prevents rolling, etc. That's probably why GT is considered simcade than anything.
I wanna see this done for every car that has a record on the ring
What tires did you use?
Yeah the 992 GT3 RS is by far my favorite car in GT7 now it's amazing my second is the rcr eg civic i throw down crackin times in the 992 GT3
just imagine this: a collaboration between the devs of beamng and the devs of gt7 that my friend would be the BEST sim racer you've ever seen. realistic models, optimization, physics and crashing
The time claimed to be achieved is not the same shown on the screen below. Where did you get this time?
The first thing I noticed is the torque parameters are slightly off. On the uphill sections the GT car has more torque. You can see the way the speed keeps rising as the real car can't manage the same. Still, a brilliant effort by GT though
thats so crazy
Great 👍 video mate!! Maybe make a gt7 graphics detail next❤
What compound tire did you use in the game? I'm brand new to Gran Turismo, but overall pretty good at racing games and have only managed to get a 6:57.9 on SS tires.
Also, did you have DRS activated the whole time and let the car automatically deactivate it whenever turning hard enough? Or did you turn it on and off yourself the whole time?
Edit: Update - 5/7/2024 my best actual time is now 6:51.300 with a best theoretical time of 6:49.844. Still on controller, and still on SS tires.
any changes of telling how did you record the telemetry data + the lap itself, which app?
Sim Dashboard app for android! You can customize the dash so I just copied the layout Porsche used and recreated it!
@@hubblesphere thank you!
Funny how we can tell which sequence is from the game and which is real : reality has less resolution
I noticed that the shifting on gt7 is more dragged out than real life. One thing to note is when I use to work with Porsche I drove a 992 GT3 Rs and can feel the similarities to physics from game to real life on the downside to that the RS feels just a tad bit delicate in game. Granted you aren't in the car to actually feel the movements around a corner and can only go off of audible sounds on when to shift gears than Being able to feel the vibrations of the car when it's time to shift into the next gear.
How did u replicate the menu at the bottom?
GT7 is amazing.
When the porsches drove, the subtitle said music
It's always funny when the irl footage looks worse than a game lol, and just goes to show how far in terms of looks racing game have come.
I hope they will add the '17 911 gt2rs soon though.
Impressive comparison considering the game has hundreds of cars to model. The main difference between PC sims and this type of title is usually fewer cars being modelled means each car gets more attention to detail. ACC for example models each car to an insane detail to the point you have to spend weeks learn each car and its systems so it goes well beyond sim physics and handling. I would say the sound could be improved but aside from that a very impressive showing. It still remains to be seen if every car was given this same attention to detail though.
What tires was used in real life and in gt7?
Was this with a completely stock gt3rs on sport medium tyres?
Completely stock on sport Softs because the actual lap was done on Cup R2’s which are a special option.
Great video, just a friendly critique, the narration sounds like your too close to the mic.
For me, as someone who plays a lot of sims - both on PC and console - and who actually tracks his own Porsche in real life, the reason I have come to class GT as a lighter sim (and not on the same level for example as ACC or even the original AC), is how reckless you can be with weight transfer. In GT you can do things that you simply would not be able to recover from in real life or in more accurate simulations. I don't know what GT is doing differently under the hood, but it categorically "smooths the edges" at the extremes of each car's performance envelope.
It's very likely because of the fact it's a console game and geared towards most players using controller and it's just not as accurate in feedback, so it's pretty much required to make it less punishing. But I think overall when you consider this, they have done an amazing job at finding a balance where it's even considered a "sim light". Especially when you consider the fact that the monstrosity that is Forza Motorsport was supposed to be a "simcade"
Personally I don't have a massive amount of time in GT7 as I am a PC player who plays mostly AC/ACC, one thing I disliked about GT7 is the understeer that seems to be prevalent in so many cars, probably due to the weight transfer smoothing, but It's a great game in general when you just want to relax and race and not have to worry about concentrating too heavily on car physics.
Funny that you mention this, because I recently got GT7 and felt the exact opposite, I feel like I can be much more reckless in AC than GT, and recover easier in AC too. If anything I find GT harder to manage weight transfer than AC.
Interesting point of view. I also did some laps on the track and I'd say it's easier to drive the car in real life than GT7.
Yeah I think you can say that for any "sim". The extra input you get from feeling the car movement down on your butt is a huge edge.@@BartoszMtysiak
Remember Sony has all the money in world. He'll make sure that they keep improving their sim racing to real life work
I have done an upgrade version of the 992 GT3RS, now obviously there isn’t an official version of a upgrade GT3RS like for an example the M-R, but it turns out that it’s 30s Quicker than the AMG-One (The Nürburgring Lap World Record Holder)
If you would like to see my lap with an interesting (5: 59.27)
Edit: judge my lap all you want but I wanted to know the Gt7 WR Record with the GT3RS, and also that video lap is before the GT3RS’ nerf so it was a pure and very fast lap with no oversteer compared to now
Video Here: czcams.com/video/8cOXA2hD4SA/video.htmlsi=vXFLcz_-gxYI50Fx
They nerfed the car? How?
@@moonfuji6740 there is a lot more oversteer than it was from before, if you look at my clip at the last 4 corners coming down with high speed, before the 4 updates after Spec ll came out, you can do the corner flat out no issues but after the 4th update in, you can’t you would spin off and go flying
I'm tired of seeing "simracers" wrongly judge all sorts of games despite their sheer lack of any real racing experience to back it up with, every single time.🤦🏻
I share your disdain for these people. GT7 very accurately replicates the handling and response of many cars in their stock form in-game. Apparently to those people, if you can't setup every little parameter of the car then it's just a "simcade". If it feels like the real thing, then it's a simulator to me. Setup is secondary.
@@Nicholas247066 On top of that they have literally no real racing experience to back their claims of "this is a sim, and this is not"
I wonder why literally all real life racers are on iracing rather than GT7 arcade trash 🤣
@@dup11-tl6um
iRacing is kind of a joke still. Only 200,000 users and it's been around since 2007. It makes money and has way more real tracks than GT7 - or really basically any racing game ever made to date - but iRacing's physics aren't considered real by most people's standards and by most people I don't mean real racecar drivers because most real racecar drivers use bespoke simulators, not iRacing, not Assetto Corsa: Competizione, and not even GT7. That said GT7 is still very accurate, and it looks much nicer than all the above including most bespoke team simulators that cost many tens of thousands to make. Also GT is the only racing game to make real racecar drivers out of gamers who can actually podium IRL no less.
@@VariantAEC keep coping :D nice profile picture btw. proper FAS disorder face. just keep driving that console arcade game
I’m sold I’m buying it
Which tires have you used? SM or SS?
I did a lap in my last video with SS and I managed to get 6:47.903 with an optimum of 6:45.000. When I used the SM it seems like the anount of grip that I have is way below the amount the real life car has
He used sports soft
What tires you used
Porsche pilot is daamn good here
The porsche engineers knew exactly what their objective was
Wow
gtan turismo 7 is the best simulator on console
My subtitles are on and it says [music]😁
What tires did you use? Racing hard/medium/or soft?
Probably sport hard or medium
stock, so sport mediums for this porsche
Why can’t Gran turismo get their head around seamless shift transmissions? They know how to do it, but rarely put in on DCT cars…
okay, i love to dabble around with more regular cars in GT7, just completely maxed out, but when I think how much of a widowmaker the toyota crown becomes? Granted I'm playing on the ps4 with its controller, but damn...
they got the drag physics right on this car. not like the zl1 1le that goes 220 mph compared to 180 in real life
Broo no electronic speed limiter on the cars in game
@@wiktor3539 it’s not an electronic limiter. it’s aero
i need gt3 touring in gt7
Which tyres on in GT7? Any changes to the car?
Stock setup, only change was Sport Softs but the record lap was done on the “optional” Pilot Sport 2 R which is a little faster than the Pilot Sport 2 so to match the real world corner speeds I went with the Sport Soft tires.
@@hubblesphere Ok thx. Cool to know.