World Athletics bans trans athletes
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 10. 06. 2024
- "We should never have thrown women's sport under the bus so that half of the world were no longer entitled to fair sport."
Former Olympian Sharron Davies says she welcomes the World Athletics ban on trans women athletes.
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I totally support this. Biological women should not be forced to compete against trans women. No matter how much estagen they take, or what procedures they have, the advantage gained by growing up male before the change can not be overcome with our current technology. So like the guest said, until it is completely fair, it should not be allowed.
male transgenders NOT "trans women" you can't change your biological sex. Don't reinforce their war on language
There is no change. It's still a man, just mutilated. It's a form of self-harm as far as im concerned, the annihilation of their identity
They were used and re used. Now, they will be thrown back to the basement, ppl will just ignore them and thatâs the end of the created by design â waveâ.
A rare outbreak of rationality, good on you!
"Acceptance" doesn't mean *catering to* a *tiny* minority. If in doubt: the men's category is open to anybody. The end.
About time and all that they won should be given to the right winner.
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What sort of person competes in a sport where they know they have an unfair advantage, and everybody knows they have an unfair advantage?
Narcissim
A narcissist.
I would if the prize money is big enough đ€
Now all the awards which these people falsely got, need to be reclaimed and given to the women who won in those events and the girls who would have got sponsors or college places etc.
Exactly, the Trans shammers should be shamed. The rightful winners need to get their posthumous medals. At last common sense.
Transitioning is a choice. The fact that you feel compelled to transition in order to "live your authentic life" doesn't change the fact that it is a choice. And every choice in life is a tradeoff with pros and cons, benefits and consequences. One of the consequences if you choose to transition is that you disqualify yourself from competing against women in women's sports. No one has deprived you of any rights. You have chosen to disqualify yourself from this activity.
If this is too high a price, then have your athletic career first (as a man) and transition later. Millions of ordinary people do this exact thing every single day - deferring their life's dream, their "true passion", their "calling" - because it conflicts with other priorities or responsibilities. Our culture has become pathologically obsessed with the notion of "rights" but with no understanding of personal responsibility, choice, and consequences. No, you can't have it all. No one can. You must make choices.
BRAVO~!!! well said indeed
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I don't agree that transitioning is a choice. It's just not my problem. Women shouldn't be asked to give up their rights to help out aggressive misogynists.
I choose to accept there are two genders. We all have choices, this is mine. The world should accept transphobia.
Agreed, I'm actually deferring my "life's dream" of being an ultra-HNWI until I am a ultra-HNWI.
Brilliant news and đđđ to Sharon Davis, who has worked tirelessly in her campaigning for female athletes' rights! despite the horrific onslaught of abuse from trans activists when she states simple biological facts.
Well done.
Makes sense no? A man's muscle and body is different than a woman's even if the man is now a woman... How does that not make sense? Nice to see the world waking up to common sense.
Sometimes all that is needed is a bit of common sense đ€đ€Żđ
LITERALLY the opposite of what we have here!
What we have here are people talking about the evidence and rational arguments!
If all you have is an appeal to âcommon senseâ, then you got nothing.
I thank god that these people are smart enough not to do what youâre doing and pretend as if âcommon senseâ was any guide here.
âCommon senseâ is an appeal to your personal intuition. Which can literally be used to argue for a flat earth.
As I understand the men claiming they are women keep their 'equipment' and that tell us something about what motivates them, to have serious discussions with men that are still 'men' are just ridiculous
@@c.m.9369 : complete nonsense, you don't know what common sense is. In light of extremely simple evidence, a flat earth doesn't make sense. The ancient Greeks knew this... Common sense is about applying internal reasoning which works fine, it is actually the reasoning used in science too, and which is based on the known facts, not filtered by outside opinions, nor by manipulative statements nor strictly limited by rules which can be abused. This gets to the right stance in all cases except where specialist knowledge is required (e.g. a proof in mathematics).
Common sense is far from common. Somehow the collective "we" have gone insane and now anything goes. "We" are all told how to think and act and god forbid anything you say or do offends someone regardless of how absurd it is. "We" are all forced to entertain these people and their fantasy/delusions regardless of the lack of logic and reason.
Finally, the end of this madness
Well done Lord Coe !
Even the most precious right of all, the right to free speech, is not absolute. There are limits. When the rights of a small minority are elevated above the equally-valid rights of half the population, it is an injustice. Renee Richards, formerly Dr. Richard Raskind, underwent gender-reassignment and was then able, at age forty-four, to start a pro tennis career in the mid-1070s. Despite having no shot in men's tennis as a man, she reached number twenty in the world very quickly among the women. In her mid-forties. In the 70s. That just didn't happen in pro tennis back then. The unfairness of a player with male skeletal and muscle features competing against females was then and is now patently obvious. Reality must win out over ideology.
The comments on this thread are very revealing - as always, and donât reflect the mediaâs indulgent editorial stance. Thankfully this pernicious and destructive nonsense is beginning to end.
When you think everyone have gone mad, that this are an issue at all tell us how rationality and common sense are just a thin barrier against insanity
Sharon Davies is amazing
Good.
They can have their own games.
Special Olympics would suit.
Aand here's the rub. It's a sensible and well argued decision. But you just know the troglodyes are gonna crawl out of their holes, pin it to their flag and use it as an argument to be awfull yet again.
I bet the hidden replies are funny, vicious and ill probably agree with.
đŻđWell done... As I have always said, woman, you are born, you are not made.
If someone thinks they are Napoleon it's not a good idea to call them Mr Bonaparte.
Think of all the female athletes who have missed out on winning a title or with a podium finish, records, qualification and earnings (sponsorship, etc).
I'm with you. Outside of that: well informed and well reasoned points well made đ.
EXCELLENT! Common-sense at LAST!
About bloody time common sense shouldnât take this long⊠how many female athletes careers have been ruined
About time
I am happy to support anyones sexual choice, but it does seem to be unfair to try and take over womens sport.
God Bless you, Sharon. This is long overdue and, a long fight for you. I love you lots. Please stop this travesty. I am a man. đ„°
I have to commend this woman. She really makes a fantastic job of explainign things fairly and with evidence and without politics or ideology. Great job Sharron Davies!
I disagree. I made a comment but it looks to be ghosted by youtube, I'll repost it here to see if it comes through: 5 years to get the sports bodies to look at scientific evidence? No! It wasn't the fault of esp. IAAF/World athletics, it was athletes starting law cases such as Dutee Chand, Caster Semenya in particular, and the in ane lawyers at CAS (Switzerland) who made standard genetic testing and a-priori classification as being an actual woman go away, and who forced IAAF/WA to let them compete with women! IAAF didn't want this nonsense, such scammer athletes (who know they are men, they walk, talk, dress like men) and the woke brigade wants it! The 2016 olympic final in the 800m was a farce, three men winning as 'women'. This was a further wake up call to the problem. The 46XY DSD athletes have a defect that shows externally being different from boys but they have internal testicles, i.e. they produce a lot of testosterone. You aren't allowed to inject testosterone as men nor as women, but if these are 'women' then it follows they are actually doing that with the internal testes. And CAS thought it was OK! Those people were the problem, and IAAF/WA has had to find a way to set a rule to get past these morans, along with more data to prove what everyone knows! I.e. that men are faster and stronger. This was just insanity! It applies exactly the same to transgenders because it is about men entering women's sports.
Good.
Totally the correct decision.
Fair is fair.
Common sense
well done! It is appalling how ordinary/mediocre men with very poor or none success in sports are allowed to compete against women and easily win every championship and break every record. It is insulting how the man himself (in this case "lia" William Thomas) feels no shame or remorse at all in cowardly and dishonestly stealing victory from legit female athletes
Scientific evidence was necessary? Insane.
Well done you! â„ïžđâ„ïžđâ„ïž
Iâve found estrogen improves my performance so should HRT be banned?
Absolutely not.
Just get a new olympic then for trans just like the handicapped olympics. I'm sure it will be a massiv success...
Everytime I get cross with the trans community being extra I remember why. It's because there's things like you out there. It's because they constantly have to face the worst of us telling them they don't matter. This is why a pretty obvious measure was so hard to take, because it feeds your wretched kind.
I am currently suing several major universities in the US because they would not allow me to use a computer while taking their entry aptitude tests. A blatant example of discrimination against me.
About time. They made a mockery of womans sport. Trans team. Let them compete against each other.
Finally! Thank God!!!!!!!!!!!! đ đđ
Good. Common sense prevails. đ
Damn I was hoping to see 8 blokes lineup in the 'womens' 100m Olympic final.đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
This makes sense. Other than that, I don't spend my time worrying about what others do, how they live, and what "type," of people they are. It's not my business.
Good
There's an open category already. It's called the "Men's" category.
some common sense
It's the only fair solution. I think the "open" category idea is the best compromise for all concerned.
Trans "women" are not women. End of story
Correct decision đ
It's nice to see an outbreak of sanity every now and again.
And sad that 99% of the time it is insanity
Finally some commonsense.
WHY did we get it before common sense prevails
The reality is that it's bad for business. You have half of the world's population as female and female elite sports translates to big dollars and that filters down through to the amateur sports who purchase branded sports clothing and other sporting goods, purchased for all ages. We are talking a multi billion dollar industry and if you dilute that with a third gender, that weakens the branding and weakens the competition, because elite sports women would no longer have any incentive to be elite sports people. That means you would have fewer elite women sporting hero's and role models and that translates to a massive decline in sales. Who in their right mind is going to buy sportswear promoted by a third gender? Only an extreme minority would. It's not a mass market and never will be. It simply doesn't make economic sense to have third genders competing against elite female athletes, let alone the immorality of discriminating against half the human race. i.e. real females !!!
It's incredible how humanity id questioning every fact. We're going straight to our own extintion
Excellent
Common sense at last
This is what happens when man starts playing around with nature.
Things get very complicated.
Good. In my honest opinion they now need to ban all sport which results in injury which is basically all of them but running should stay because it's probably the sport which results in the fewest and least severe injuries.
Running is one of the most injuring sports, especially considering long term , just not usually lethal. Sprinting isn't too bad though.
FINALY,PEOPLEAREGETTING SICK OFTHIS!
very good move
It's not a ''ban''. They are completely allowed to play sports with those of their birth sex. No one ever said trans are ''banned'' from playing sports.
Well done and well said Sharron
It has finally happened. Common sense has prevailed. You can't discriminate against half of the human race. Wow they finally worked that one out. Amazing !!!
To be honest the only people who would get off on seeing third genders beat females would be perverts.
I support the ban. But it raises many other questions.
A child that presents a natural high level of hormones would be included? And if she treats for feminine hormones, would she be allowed to compete?
A child raised with hormones to be a better athlete, her treatment stops before she goes to competitions, can she compete?
11 Genes are involved in athletic performance, can I receive gene therapy and still be accepted?
I identify as a Billionaire and expect the rest of the world to treat me accordingly.
I identify as a motorcyclist and want my licence back. But they say I can't due to epilepsy. But what if i I identify as a non epileptic? If we're going full 1984 with this trans madness then why can't I bend some rules I wonder?
I support this but why did it take so long? finally some common sense
Thankyou , finally some sense in the world
The reason we have women's sports, and weight categories in some women's and men's sports, is based on average performance. If you are a women with above average ability and commitment to training then you should have a chance of gaining a medal. Even if trans women are allowed the legal definition of "women", it's a fact that the vast majority of women are born women. It's not their problem to move the averages to "help" trans women take all the medals. This is the problem when the "most affected" people are denied their voice. All you get is new varieties of unfairness and disadvantage.
It's a comfort to see basic common sense prevail and women get a fair go. So much for inclusiveness. Let's make the infinitessimally small and (by and large mentally disturbed) trans community feel "included" by destroying the dreams of millions of actual women. My 9yo daughter once asked me whether she should give up her tennis and cross country training regime, which she loves. I asked her why and she said, in a resigned tone, that she'll never beat a boy wearing a dress.
Nice to see sense prevail. A rarity today, sadly.
Where is the demand for equality for Trans-men?
Should they be free to take as many drugs as required to be able to compete with men who went through male puberty?
hurra, a first victory for women...born and living as women..it's a comon sense decision with out hate. this is not hurting or taking into account feelings. it's a logical decision. feelings have no place there.
Why can't trans people have their own catagory for sports?
Also what about transgender men who identify as a man even though they was born female and transitioned to male using testosterone whilst competing in sports with biological men?
I do agree with transwomen not being able to compete against cis biological women because of the biological disadvantage they have against the cis biological women and do believe they need a transwomen catagory so they can compete with eachother.
But at the end of the day all the complains are about transwomen but none about transmen and I think we should atleast let the transmen stay since they are disadvantaged against all the cis biological men in sport yet still try their best without complaining.
Itâs only a transition phase
What a complete joke it is that we even have to discuss this absolutely ludicrous notion that a surgically altered male is a woman. My dog thinks he is human. Should I register him to vote?
Humanity won
Them dim dems lol.
Common sense something the interviewer lacks
This is not a hill for the Trans equal rights movement to die on. There _are_ issues for sports. I get that. Otherwise totally pro trans equal rights.
Better yet have a trans league
Five years blimey so common sense does still exist
In another five years maybe this madness will have ended.
Congratulations. This was getting ridiculous. Well done and good to see common sense can still apply.
If natural woman and men don't compete against each other due to physical differences, why not have two more catogories, transgender men and women? Even if there are just a few?
Eh thatâs fair. Thereâs a reason thereâs menâs and womenâs i canât see a woman competing against trans people
A lot of money spent to state the bleeding obvious
The green-haired harpies are going to go ballistic!!
Governing bodies. Exactly what they were trying to do. Bottom line, no men in women's sports. It's fundamentally wrong. It's time to get back to first principles.
Doh, it's just easier for a man in women's sport. It's a no brainer kiddies
if you have to take drugs for years to compete in womens sports , then thats your answer you dont qualify drugs are not allowed !
And yet we've never heard a f to m trans man ever complain about not being allowed to compete in men's sports. Hmmm... I wonder why?
You'll find them if you look. They don't get as much attention because people can't recycle the bone density and testosterone arguments from the Civil Rights days.
I specifically remember a story about a Trans man in high school who was forced to compete in women's wrestling, and because of his testosterone levels giving him more musculature, he dominated, and then he was treated like the villain for what his school and state decided for him
Oh now they want to change their minds huh...
How convenient...
Nothing to do with betting though it's all about morals...đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
Can we just get passed this nonsense.?????
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Itâs like religious people arguing about their nonsense đđđ
This is a major step back in human rights and athletic governing body should ashamed. Trans rights are human rights.
nah but men shouldn't be allowed to dominate womens sports
I don't hear any Trans-men complaining. Only men who transitioned into women with natural physical advantages and a patriarchal desire to put women in their place.
This isn't a step back. Naturally born women should be able to compete on level terms.
Have you read the comments? No one agrees with you. Literally no one.
Those athletes who as a man go into women's sports are scammers. The idiots at CAS made these problems possible to continue. You can transition all you want just don't compete in women's sports. Anyone talking about human rights for such people needs his head examined.
Good. Being trans is all fine ,your choice. You just go and if you are biological male compete with males.
They haven't banned trans athletes. They've stopped MEN playing in the women's category. These MEN can play in the men's category because they're men.
Finally! This is such good news! That journalist tried her hardest to not show how triggered she is because of this đđ