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Pathos 130 testing with Hunt 8mm shaft and 2 x 14.5mm bands
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- čas přidán 29. 05. 2016
- Testing 8mm shaft @ 160cm with 2 x 14.5mm bands on Pathos 130. This setup should ONLY BE ATTEMPTED once you have changed out your sears with an Ermessub kit and modified the handle !!! It is a bleuwater setup with a LOT of power.
It's been so many months and still waiting for the urukay testing!
Great videos mate. For us Aussies out here, a very common gun to use in bluewater hunting is a 140-160cm Rob Allen Tuna railgun with 2x16mm bands and a 7.5mm shaft. Do you have anything in your arsenal that is close to this style of gun? If so, can you post up a quick penetration/ accuracy test? I'm convinced that even your 120 Pathos tests will yield better results but seeing is believing. It'd be good to swim with a smaller gun and shoot the same fish.
The RA 140 tuna gun did terrible in the penetration test. I think it suffers due to the low handle causing high muzzle rise. You cannot power up that gun as if you do you lose power rather than gain power. The gun in this video is dramatically more powerful than the best setup RA 160 gun. Note that this is not a regular Pathos setup but rather a customized setup that needs to have a customized handle and changed out trigger sears.
Just spent the last little while enjoying your channel. I just watched your Pathos roller video and it seems that your 82cm gun with 2 small ID bands and a good shaft out performed both the Mako 120 and Aimrite 120 guns by quite a margin. That is insane you could set up such a small gun to shoot that well. I can't imagine being able to convince any spearo locally to ditch their everyday 120-130 and replace it with an 82-90 pathos. We target kingys aka yellowtail kingfish here. If I were to replicate your setup on a 90cm pathos gun with sigalsub 7mm shaft and 2 small ID bands, double wrapped with 200lb mono, do you honestly believe I could be taking kingys up to 20kg with this setup? I usually don't shoot fish further than 3-4m from the tip.
It depends on distance you shoot. A 7mm shaft is a relatively light shaft and loses velocity quickly after 5 meters. I would go with a Pathos 110 and a 7.5mm shaft. With a good shaped handle and changed out sears ... any fish in the ocean is game. Keep an eye out for my handle shaping video ... it really changes everything. Performance comes from getting full efficiency from your bands and by having a super stable shaft flight ... this is unfortunately not possible with low handled guns such as the Mako or Aimrite.
Hello Maj, what do you think about the Rob Allen shafts? I think you prefer coned tips to the tri-cut (faceted) tips, but other than that, do you approve of these shafts? I never see you test them.
Maybe the 7.5mm @ 160cm is a better match and less recoil ... but with a properly fitted grip the recoil is not a problem and an 8mm @ 160cm shaft really gives long range accuracy and power that is able to take down even large tuna. This is usually only possible with 4 or 5 banded wood guns and when you think about how light the setup here is (710 grams without shaft and bands), it really is a game changer!
So you would recommend setting up a Pathos 130 with the 7.5mm SigalSub shaft instead of the Hunt 8mm?
Depends on what you are shooting. Obviously the 8mm shaft would be better for longer range shooting on bigger game. The 7.5mm shaft is also a very powerful setup and would be a good compromise if hunting a reef.
Thanks. I'll probably go with the 7.5mm sigilsub paired with 14mm bands so it is easier to load.
Also, have you compared the SigalSub double flopper shaft to the single flopper? I'm wondering if a double flopper may provide better hold in fish but wonder how it would affect accuracy.
I like double floppered shafts as you lose less fish. They are just as accurate as single floppered shafts if you use a cone.
Hi mate thanks for posting these videos! I find them really helpful!
I ve watches both the videos fpr the pathos open carbon 120 and 130. I have the 130 version and i would like to retain the standard pathos 7mm sandvik shaft but i m not happy with the standard rubbers. I still have a lot of 16mm leftover rubber from my shorter guns...do you think the standard shaft and a pair of 16mm rubbers would be ok on the 130? If so what leght/ percentage?
Cheers
Rob
Hello Can you advise me on set up? I now have a 3x14.5 sigal reactive brown and a 7mm sigal ghost shaft. I would like to have a shaft hunt maybe 7.5mm and 3x14.5 sigal brown?
I have a c4 urukay 105
Hi i watched all your videos and i think that they are very usefull, i need your help with setup of my speargun i have 120cm wooden speargun something like abellan (european style speargun) and last year i had 3x14 sigal extreme bands at 360% strech and 7,5x150cm pathos shaft but the shots were impacting high on the target... so what do you think which is the best band strech for 7,5mm shaft if i want to keep 3x14 bands?
Im making a 100cm speargun is it ok if my shaft is 8mm and my rubbers is 3x14mm?
I think for 8mm best is 2 x 14.5mm is an excellent choice. If you feel you need more power better to go to 7.5mm rather than add a 3rd band. A 7.5mm with 2 hot 14.5mm small ID bands is very close to Terminal Velocity of the shaft.
@@majdq8 sir what about 100cm gun, 6.5mm shaft with 2x14mm bands is it ok?
@@rjfspearfishingtrip1964 Yes perfect!
Thank you very much sir! I subscribe now to your channel it helps me a lot, im a new spearo from philippines! Salamat po...
hey there majdq8 ! thank you for these video and taking out the guess work for a lot of us. Im putting together a bluewater pipegun (meandros reverse handle - thick 3mm wall carbon barrel) total 137cm bandstretch. I'm hoping to shoot an 8mm shaft but only 13.8 mm rubbber is readily available here in my diveshop. would you consider 3 x 13.8mm to ease loading rather than 2x14.5mm ? or would that be too much power ? thanks
I think a 3rd band on a pipe gun is too much. You really don't need it though ... 2 x 14.5mm bands are more than enough and you can now go to even 15mm small ID bands. With 137cm band stretch that gives incredible performance. A pipe gun has very little mass so I absolutely think that you should modify the handle to make sure recoil is under control before proceeding. Take a look at my handle mod video and do a similar handle ... if you do that you will be very happy with results. I am not familiar with the Meandros reverse handle and trigger, but I would keep an eye on the sears to make sure they are not scratching with these high loads.
hi majdq8
can you make a test os pathos laser open 90. i miss the target anda i dont now!
Sir how many cm should be the over hang of shaft about 105cm speargun? 2x14mm bands and 6.5mm shaft
what band setup would you recommend for a riffe euro 130 for blue water? im using 2 x 16 mm cut at 28 inches but it feels slightly over powered. love the videos keep it up
I would use similar to the setup in this video. 2 x 14.5mm @ 360% stretch and either a 7.5mm or 8mm shaft. I customize my Riffe Euro a little and you need to carve up a place above the thumb bridge to hold the handle better where it doesn't injure your thumb bridge during recoil. Check out my Riffe 120 X video you can see some of the modifications I made.
One question I've got about this gun. You have it setup so it is basically ready to use for bluewater, but I'm concerned about the strength of the line guide where the bungee/shooting line attaches to the gun. Do you know how strong that connection is, as I can't tell how fire that wire loop extends into the muzzle?
And are you still using tennis string on your setups or have you gone back to traditional mono? What diameter was the shooting line in these tests?
Yes you are absolutely right. I have put another screw on the muzzle and on this gun I actually put a few layers of Carbon Fiber to reinforce the hold of the line guide. I usually tie my gun to a float line from the grip and thus the line guide needs to be very strong. I have used this setup with reinforced muzzle, to shoot Dogtooth tuna and large GT's with no problems.
Do you prefer shooting an 8 mm or a 7.5mm shaft on the Pathos 130?
I watched video of Pathos 130 carbon with standard d'angelo 2 handle and the penetration is same as this (with handle mod), correct? So recoil does not matter that much.
Do you know any two holed muzzle that would fit the Omer Cayman HF2
Hey Majdq8 your reviews are epic! im over in australia and nobody over here bother with this saught of stuff. i have been trying to tune one of my guns and usually shoots really inaccurate. i run a 150 aimrite king venom with 8mm and mori slip tip. i have some 14.5mm primeline and want to rig it up with that. do you have any suggestions? i run a 150 king venom with 8mm x 170 hunt spear and mori cable slip tip. any advice would be awesome thanks mate!
I haven't tried the 150 Aimrite. But in general you want a high handle that allows the recoil to go into your palm. This reduces leverage that recoil has on destabilizing the shaft on exit ... thus you get very high performance. If handle is low you get muzzle lift ... which pushes the shaft as it exits. A shaft that is not stable will quickly lose velocity and will not hit hard and won't be accurate.
Thanks for your input, so you think the handle would be more important than getting the rubber configuration correct?
The powerful rubber setup I put in this video is only controllable if you do the handle as mentioned. If you don't have a correct handle design the power will not be controlled properly and you will lose accuracy and shaft velocity as the shaft will not come out of the track stable.
I'm currently working on a pipe gun with the specs of a 130cm barrel length (26mm id of course) and 2x14.5 or 15mm bands and a 8mm shaft. Can the d'angelo 1 handle manage that load? I would ask on spearboard but my account doesn't have permission to post anything yet. Thank you
I would feel more comfortable with a SS top with such a powerful load, but I think it can handle it. The bigger problem is controlling recoil ... for that you need to shape the handle properly. If you don't do that, you will not be able to control the gun and the gun could actually come out of your hand and hit you in the face. Please proceed with lower powered loads first and if possible wait until I post my handle shaping video. With a properly shaped handle the gun can easily deal with even double the recoil of this setup.
majdq8 ok. Thank you very much
I think it will be similar to the classic setup of the 82cm gun. I did a test where I tested the 82cm in classic and roller. Just follow the classic setup in this video czcams.com/video/UBNw4PLqPfI/video.html
With the 8mm shaft Does the gun feel nose/muzzle heavy while aiming?
Yes a little bit. With a custom handle that is not such a big problem as the handle gives you very good leverage ... which allows much easier control of the tip. You absolutely need to customize the handle in a proper shape or this load will be uncontrollable.
+majdq8
Ahh I see. Great videos as always!
where can I see what you did on the handle?
I will make the video soon. Basically I use epoxy putty for shaping and then wrap it with Carbon Fiber ... and finish it off with a friction layer of sand.
still waiting for the handle customization video :) Cheers!
Very soon still not finished! But it will be worth the wait.