Did the Sea Peoples Sack Troy? Dr. Eric Cline | 1177BC | Bronze Age Collapse
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- čas přidán 16. 11. 2020
- In this episode the well renowned scholar and archaeologist Dr. Eric Cline (author of 1177BC) discusses his views on whether or not the Sea Peoples of the Late Bronze Age Collapse sacked Troy?
Basic overviews for beginners:
Trojan War Definition: a ten-year war waged by the confederated Greeks under Agamemnon against the Trojans to avenge the abduction of Helen, wife of Menelaus, by Paris, son of the Trojan king Priam, and ending in the plundering and burning of Troy.
The Late Bronze Age Collapse: This was a transition period in the Near East, Anatolia, the Aegean region, North Africa, the Caucasus, the Balkans and the Eastern Mediterranean from the Late Bronze Age to the Early Iron Age, a transition which historians believe was violent, sudden, and culturally disruptive.
The Sea Peoples: A purported seafaring confederation that attacked ancient Egypt and other regions of the East Mediterranean prior to and during the Late Bronze Age collapse (1200-900 BCE).
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I’d put a dime or two on that the Myceneans were one of the sea peoples.
I've often wondered if the 10 year siege of Troy, as described by Homer, wasn't the Sea Peoples running amok in the Eastern seaboard of the Mediterranean.
...did somebody say, "Sea Peoples." 😁
I think that the Greek force that attacked Troy, went on to become the ”sea people”
Homer must have known something about the sea peoples. In the Odyssey, there is the tale that Odysseus tells the swineherd when he returns to Ithaca disguised as a beggar. The expedition he describes being part of to the swineherd sounds quite similar to the Egyptian account of the sea people attack. There is also the story that Menelaus tells Odysseus' son, Telemachus, where Menelaus claims to have gained great wealth on his return from the Trojan via some sort of raid on Egypt.
Okay, so you have a long siege of Troy, in Bronze age Antiquity. Homer says it was 1000 ships, right? Even if that's not true, it's showing a lot of people took part. You need to logistically feed all those warriors and, when the siege ends, they need to all come back to their homes. Guess what? The supply line can't sustain itself so you have a large army that's just fought a war, consisting of several groups, who go on a rampage, pillaging and destroying settlements.
Dr. Cline is the best. I would love to hear him discuss the recently discovered lower city of Troy.
I feel like he glossed right past the most relevant question: “are the Mycenaeans part of the sea peoples”.
Troy was sacked by Mycenaean sea peoples.
One major point most scholars seem to ignore about the Trojan WaR; and Cline [as far as I know] has only mentioned my point briefly - which is: Troy 6 was destroyed by an earthquake [...should be no argument there]. Question 1 - who was go the god of earthquakes? [answer: Poseidon]. Question2 - What was the attribute of Poseidon when he was going about his earthquake business? [answer - the horse!]. There really was a Trojan Horse...as an earthquake. All Greeks knew of this attribute.; ANY tragedy involving an earthquake was understood to be Poseidon's [as the horse attribute] work. It was purely 'poetic license' with the facts [i.e. giving Odysseus credit for masterminding the wooden 'Trojan Horse]; this 'license' was and continues to this day to be the norm inciting the 'facts.' Those days every story teller was expected to 'juice up' any story. Since Troy was destroyed significantly by an earthquake, the last man standing [Mycenaens] in this long feud got to tell the story of victory. Kind of like our school textbooks.
Sea peoples origins, based on word (really consonant) similarity. One I like that I have not seen elsewhere is Peleset = Pylos (or Pylosite to put a biblical word ending on it.)
The answer to this question was published more than 15 years ago in the specialised journal “Mediterranean Archaeology” (vol. 16, 2003), in the article titled “The Sea Peoples and the Historical Background of the Trojan War”, written by C. Moreu.
-Homer writes that Agamemnon united all the tribes and the Achaeans came with a thousand allied ships to sack Troy for Helen.
Personally, I believe that the Eκves of the seapeoples were some Mycenaeans, who when they returned from Troy, found their "thrones" occupied. Thus they were united with the Sekeles, the Sardans, the Denans and so on.
We should all be mad at schliemann for messing up the dig site. I also saw a documentary that claimed that the alliterative description of the trojan horse in homers story was a description of poseidon who features prominently in the saga. Hez oft represented as a horse in greek mythology, he was also the greek god of the sea and earthquakes. The outer walls of whats believed to be troy appeared collapsed due to earthquakes so one wonders..
The Iliad states that the Achaens spent years attacking other Islands, and settlements and destroyed their Temples. Ten years for one siege? Yeah, no. Homer telescoped, and compressed events.
I believe there is a theory that identifies one of the Sea Peoples, the Ekwesh, with the Mycenians.
Well done, for getting Eric Cline aboard!
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