Don't Blame Him! Episode 1
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- Cyclist vs Lorry - Who is to blame?
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Cyclist completely in the wrong. Never a good idea to pass on the inside of a large vehicle, even if that vehicle is stationary.
Irrespective of the law, it's clearly foolish and a wiser person would simply have waited for his own sake.
@@eggchipsnbeans being "clearly foolish and a wiser person" is not a Cyclist thing? there large group of them, (not all, but still big enough) the thing record what every do on a gopro, or phone app, the best way to stay safe?
In Australia the heavy vehicles have a sign saying "Do not overtake turning vehicle".
That is not just a recommendation, it's the law.
In the case of the first video, in Australia, that cyclist would have ben fined.
A person hopping next to a bike is not technically a cyclist, I think she should not ride in London.
Even if the vehicle is stationary? People like you preach virtue until you actually have to wait behind a vehicle for 90+ seconds because it is a bus and not a car. You've taken it beyond what is necessary
I drive hgv's and these idiots keep on doing this. If something goes wrong. It is the driver gets arrested. Even if we are not at fault.
Like Jeremy Whatsit riding behind a reversing vehicle then blaming the vehicle.
What's the visibility like these days, and has it improved in recent years?
I only ask because TfL made a big thing of requiring HGVs to meet special standards with respect to wing mirrors and/or cameras that look down the side of the vehicle before they're allowed in central London, to ensure the driver can see cyclists (however idiotic) who have come alongside them. What I don't know is whether this works? And is it practical to stop, or delay moving off, every time it happens, or does it happen so often that you wouldn't get through your jobs if you did that?
I totally agree David. I drove class 1 tankers carrying crude oil for many years. I was charged with driving with undue care and attention because a car driver decided to stay in my near side blind spot. Very frustrating I have to say..
@@philwoodward5069 Many suspect the mayor(s) of London are big on political grandstanding .....
Low on reality grasping
[Others just think 🐂💩 is his stock in trade]
@@margaretnicol3423 He did actually post on X this morning that this was, to paraphrase, stupid.
I am myself a cyclist but I have to say I don't understand why some cyclists put themselves in danger as in the clip. If we expect vehicles not to pass us at less than 1.5m then why enter a space smaller than that? So if we do enter such a space, then it seems hypocritical to blame the other road user as we created the danger to ourselves.
Well said!
Its called contributory negligence.
Fully agree nick how can it be 1.5m for a driver but not for a cyclist, as a motorcyclist there has always been a rule Ride to stay alive, this cyclist is asking to die
They put themselves in danger as the law says no matter what happens the driver is at least at part to blame plus as there are no identification on a bicycle unless they are injured there is very little.chance of any comeback regardless of what they do . The "it won't happen to me " gene is prevalent in all humans
drivers are supposed to give 1.5m of space when overtaking, a cyclist can pass you closer than that as that rule only applies when the motorist is overtaking. the rule isn't that the cyclist has to give a driver 1.5m room.
The cyclist is a Darwin Award contender, in waiting.
was that jeremey vile perhaps, getting more content for his next rant?
I've been a motorcyclist and cyclist for many years. One thing I've taken from that is, "It doesn't matter if you are in the right or wrong, what matters is if you end up in hospital (or worse)" I mean that ultimately, your safety is down to you, and you treat other traffic as if they ARE going to do something that may put you in danger, and act accordingly. Thus in this video, I never would have gone up the inside like that.
I'm an atheist, but someone once said to me that it's no good telling St Peter at the gate that you were in the right.
Best sign I ever saw on the back of an HGV had two arrows, one pointing to the right hand side that said: 'Overtakers'.
And another arrow pointing to the left hand side that said: 'Undertakers'!
😮
Yes, I get it 🙄👍
@@lindadoughty9252
Well done you! 👏
As a cyclist/motorcyclist I was taught never to undertake a lorry!
I don't think most cyclists have ever been taught anything about how to behave around trucks (even motorists haven't in my experience, and they take driving lessons). All they have heard is a few news stories about cyclist getting crushed by trucks turning left.
Perhaps before undertaking a dangerous activity (like riding a bike on the road) take some time to educate yourself.
I had cycle proficiency lessons as a youngster and the lesson on Never go down the inside of a lorry or bus was drummed into you. Other than that it was focused on common sense and courtesy.
@@MrChrissammons I had cycling proficiency (though only stage 1) and I don't recall trucks being mentioned as a specific danger.
Their in a cycle lane if you bothered to look !
@@andrewblackamore4668 what the fuck did you watch? and you think that makes a difference if they were? you make sure to tell the flat bicyclist that they were right cause they were in a cycle lane
Play stupid games, win deadly prizes.
I've driven arctics for 20 years, and I like riding bikes.
I hear arguments about there being mirrors to cover the angles. That is true....but that's relying on the driver looking in your direction, at the exact moment you need him to. That's not feasible, as they're trying to look out for other people doing silly stuff as well.
Quite frankly though, if you're going on the road, and expecting everybody to look out for you, you're inviting trouble.
And with so many mirrors on a modern HGV, you can't be looking at all of them all the time + looking where you are going.
@@MarkUKInsects exactly. If you're a vulnerable road user, the main responsibility lies mainly with you. You'll be the one that pays the price if it goes wrong. Regardless of who's to blame
@@SmileyMackinteresting view. I would argue that as the one bringing the danger holds the greater responsibility.
@@nuttycommuter3718 Which in this case was clearly the cyclist for ignoring the warning signs and trying to squeeze through on the near side where there was no cycle track.
@@PeterChapman-rg6gr how did the cyclist put anybody in danger?
I am rare among cyclists I obey the traffic rules and I also treat everyone else on the road as a raving loony that's out to kill me .This firm belief has kept me safe over the last 50 years of cycling (I don't nor never have driven)
The cyclist should never have put himself in such a vulnerable spot. At the end of the day, responsibility for yourself lies solely at your own feet.
Surely it must have been "herself".
@jimmyccam I watched it off a tiny screen, mate. And the episodes called don't blame him. I just assumed 🤷
Solely?
I don't think that's fair on the HGV drivers or on the people who have to pick up the pieces when serious or fatal accidents happen. Or on the children of the dead cyclists who lose a parent and a breadwinner. Not when we know how to design city streets so that this sort of thing almost never happens, like they've done in every city in the Netherlands, for example.
The proportion of daft people in the Netherlands is no less than it is here, but their streets are designed so that their mistakes don't kill them.
a WOOOMANNNN
@@jimmyccam Might of been a woman but still with cock and balls intact
What I noticed is that the bike lane abruptly ended. It did not continue around the curve, so for me it means the cyclist should have pulled up behind the lorry.
Regardless of a cycle lane, I do not spend any longer than absolutely necessary in a blind spot. If I can avoid them completely, I will.
How about the local council is to blame for poorly designed bike lane that leaves cyclists with nowhere to go? Actually the cyclist is to blame but had there been an accident maybe the council might have been forced to reconsider their road design.
I understand why he doesn't but he should have stopped at the end of the lane and - waited, hopped, I don't know - for someone to let him in.
Of course that is never going to happen and goes to a point I find a lot if I cycle a few meters of bad cycle infrastructure is enough to make me regret not walking. (of course just walking then limits me)
@@tonyengeham7210 Tend to agree.
I've seen bike lanes - that end up being squeezed between two lanes of vehicles - one car lane for turning - the other lane for straight ahead.
The clowns who designed these death traps - don't give a fig for cyclists. All that matters is the flow of vehicles - cyclists are just a traffic flow nuisance.
The fact the cyclist "went" was the problem, the "nowhere to go " was in fact the area behind the truck, where the cycle lane ended. It probably stopped there to deter numpties from getting squished like toothpaste up the tube.
You should do it as a poll! Cyclists 100% at fault. Also road marking puts him in the wrong.
No poll needed, read the comments.. 99% Cyclist at fault.
@Peterbrendanalbert I agree 100% cyclist in the wrong, but with a poll, anyone who disagrees can vote if they are too afraid to say in case they are jumped on like happens very often online.
@@jebustank I am going to disagree 100%. Cyclists are "NEVER" wrong. Its is blasphemy to even suggest it. I am surprised that there isn't even a law against suggesting that a cyclist was in the wrong.
If this needs a poll then there's something wrong
@Rapid_GT no it doesn't really need one! But you might have someone who disagrees but doesn't want to comment saying so
In a similar vein, a "WET PAINT" sign on a park bench is a warning that it's not a smart idea to sit on it.
But you do have to dab it with a finger to check whether it's really wet or they just haven't come back for the sign yet, even if you have no intention of sitting on it anyway. I'm pretty sure it's the law.
@@otterspocket2826 100% 🤣
I'm an ex cyclist and would never go on the inside of any vehicle. Too risky and I always assumed it was illegal to undertake.
Not if the traffic is stationary. I would only do it if I could see well ahead. I am much happier overtaking but then there is a problem when the traffic starts moving and selfish drivers will not let you in. Being on the inside gives the illusion of safety because the pavement is usually an escape route. Problems arise with vehicles turning left across cyclists when the pavement is edged by railings. It is not always the clclist's fault.
I commute by bike and get to work much quicker than driving, but there is no way I would do that - get anywhere near those wheels.
And that's a very sensible of you 🙂👍
The term suicidal cyclist springs to mind
I agree with you! I am a Dutch cyclist, almost from birth😊
We learned our rights and our obligations. To TAKE your right in any situation is stupid. Your 1st concern should be : safety for All traffic participants!
Interest life, Dutch, almost from birth. I won't ask for details.
@@jimmyccam Dutch _cyclist_ almost from birth, unless the midwife got the surprise of her life. Mind you, this video was about a cyclist trying to squeeze through a narrow channel.🤣
This is the UK, bikes have had smoke blown up their @rse by the greenie lefties & now think they are so entitled & all a mate of God.
The midwife said that they had to untangle the umbilical cord from the bicycle chain when he popped out.
The difference is, you learned your rights AND obligations. Too many in the UK don't think there are any obligations unless you're driving something with an engine...and sometimes not even then.
I had to deal with a case where a truck ran over a cyclist doing this. The cyclist was dead before the ambulance arrived. The driver couldn't get in a truck after that, even though he was cleared absolutely at the inquest. This is why I hated the recent rule giving cyclists clearance to undertake and have right of way over turning vehicles. It encourages bad road behaviour, discourages more sensible practice, and gives cyclists a sense of legal protection....that will do absolutely nothing against 10 tons of steel.
The cycling lobby and its supporters have been so focused on how others behave, they forget to teach THEIR crowd how to behave when you ARE a vulnerable road user.
But ...well..its unfair to expect that cyclist to wait for the traffic to move when they can squeeze by and hold up the truck afterwards. Next thing you'll be asking them to use lights at night, stop at red lights and stop using pavement short cuts.
absolutely agreed. In my job we often have cases of cyclists squeezing up the left side of cars and then scraping down the side of the car. This leaves the car driver almost always having to claim for damage from their own insurance and in many cases the vehicle gets written off and effectively leaves the driver out-of-pocket.
"Undertaker" is the old term for a funeral director!
looks like an idea right up there with the smart motorway , how many squashed cyclists will they need to change their minds ?
10 tonnes of steel?
Fully loaded, my truck is 44 tonnes and up to 16.65m long. A car travelling at 70 mph and hitting my read end while I'm doing 56 mph wouldn't even register as a gentle wobble. A cyclist would be batted away like a fly at any speed. This particular cyclist is what emergency surgeons refer to as an organ donor.
They are above the law. It doesn't apply to them
This is why it is known as undertaking.
Not on a cycle lane it isn't.
But as this a broken cycle lane, vehicles are allowed to drive in it.
This cyclist was cycling really dangerously, but the design of the road is really poor. But he could always have jumped off his bike & pushed it round this bend on the pavement.
But that's something that most cyclist seems to be unprepared to do. They nearly all behave as if they've lost the ability to walk anywhere 🙄...
As a cyclist, I would never try and squeeze like that. I have watched CycleGaz videos and the famous 'don't go there!' I remember watching a lady riding along the side of a tipper truck, and the driver paused to let her go! This is a none event, but some are not always the case.
Yep, I drive a lorry, I have six mirrors and one camera to look in while also looking where i'm going. I often find while i'm looking in one mirror somebody will sneek up in the other mirror. It can sometimes be completley imposable to keep track of everything and it looks like your watching a tennis match while your trying to move along desperately checking all six mirrors. Its not just cyclests, its also e-scooters and mopeds with L plates on them. People don't undersand when your doing it all day long in a busy place just how easy it is to miss just one little thing. Many years ago when i was a bus driver i spoted something in one mirror and just as that was going on some one came wizzing up the otherside which i only just spotted in time. Had to do a full on emergency stop which made the passangers happy.
As a lifelong, high mileage cyclist I agree. The temptation to gain ground in stationary traffic is always at a grave risk. In an ideal world the corner would have a protected cycle lane. Not always possible in a busy city. The cyclist must use as much common sense as they can muster. Or, better, find an alternative route with fewer, such obvious dangers.
That's why cyclists do stupid things because they haven't got any common sense.
Common sense isn't very common these days.
As a cyclist i never go on the inside of any hgv vehicle or busses etc.
Agree. Same its worth noting that undertaking under any circumstances is high risk, to large extent because it's illegal for motor vehicles in many circumstances and drivers are not expecting someone to come into their occupied lane width, so be careful out there :)
Common sense seems to go out of the window when you get in the saddle. Replaced by arrogance and selfishness.
Yeah, no motorists or pedestrians ever behaved badly.
It would seem so
@@nighttrain1236 the topic here is cyclists. What have pedestrians and motorists have to do with it? One statement doesn’t cancel out another 😂
@@davebassP5 You said "Common sense seems to go out of the window when you get in the saddle". Driving a motorcar or being on foot is a NOT being in a saddle condition so by your argument motorists and pedestrians must have common sense.
@@nighttrain1236
Nope. A implies B does not mean not A implies not B. In fact, if A implies B then not A actually implies B and not B at the same time - you cannot make any deduction about B (common sense going out of the window) if A (getting in the saddle) is false.
In other words, there is nothing in the sentence to imply that walking out of your house and along the road, or getting into a car will not also throw common sense out of the window.
By trying to imply otherwise, the only conclusion is you're a cyclist who throws common sense out the window when you get on your bicycle, you expect everyone else to do all the consideration about your safety.
I'm an HGV driver but I'm also a cyclist so I think I can see things from both sides here. The cyclist is most certainly in the wrong here and this sort of behaviour is akin to Russian Roulette and adds enormously to the stress of the driver. If people understood how little we can see down the left side of the lorry they'd very quickly understand just how dangerous this is. The driver is porabably completely unaware of the cyclist, he/she will also be distracted by all of the other things that need to be thought about in an urban setting and will also be trying to navigate in (often) unfamiliar territory.
I suspect the cyclist is oblivious to the danger she's in. She probably thinks if the lorry starts to squeeze her that she'll just hop up onto the pavement, but that doesn't leave much margin for error.
This is a perfect example why I object to the recent law changes allowing cyclists to legally overtake on the in side or undertake. If the cycle lane did not finish and carried on round the corner that would be different, but the cycle lane finishes and the prudent thing to do, is for the cyclist to filter in behind the HGV until another cycle lane starts.
There has been no law change. It has always been legal to pass on the left, whatever vehicle you’re in.
@@nuttycommuter3718 That's OK you carry on.
@@nuttycommuter3718 no it isn't.
Completely agree why it should be legal for cyclists to do this and not any other vehicle makes no sense particularly given how vulnerable they are.
@@tomriley5790 it is legal for any vehicle to pass on the left. It always has been. There’s been no change in the law
Yorkshire constabulary lost a panda car some 40 years ago as an articulated lorry was turning left, went wide to the right so he could get his trailer round and the police car went into the nearside blind spot to also take a left. Best thing is they were both turning into the police headquarters 😂
Great video BBB
I used to cycle regularly and I would never cycle up the inside of a lorry. My thought nowadays on cyclists is they have a lot of entitlement and no sense of danger.
Irony is cyclists say drivers are too impatient... what the hell would we call that? Cyclist couldn't wait for a minute or less?
Drivers are too impatient but there's a lot of cyclist who are far more impatient.
Cyclists think their daily commute is the Tour de France.
As a motorcyclist who filtered in traffic through undersized crowded city streets for years, I always knew that you don't filter on the left, and you don't filter past trucks.
Of course, I did it anyway, as did most others - but always with the exaggerated awareness that comes from knowing this is dicey territory, and any consequences would be entirely one's own fault.
Among cyclists, this kind of awareness is pretty much universally absent. I honestly don't understand why; sure, motorcyclists are trained and take a test where cyclists don't, but is it really so hard to see what a *terrible* idea a manoeuvre like that shown here is? The blind obliviousness as they squeeze into a gap so narrow they aren't even confident to keep riding and ineptly paddle through....Makes me shudder.
Thank you, this is a good comment. I also have filtered through traffic when I used to ride motorcycles and yes I was fully aware of the danger and I would always ride defensively. It does also amaze me that bicyclists can ride around the roads of London and other cities without insurance or any additional training.
@@benjones4365 Cyclist: No test or license required.
But just a good helping of hubris when cycling in city centres.
Was that Jeremy Vine? Rides like him........
No, he retweeted this video on X earlier today, to basically say, don't take risks like this impatient cyclist.
Agree. You don't want to be "dead right."
I can remember my farther talked about one day he was turning left with a HGV where you need to move to the right before turning left and a car tried to under take him , it didn't end well for the car driver who was force down a set of railings .
SO never under take a HGV when they move to right to turn left.
Not only the blind spot but also the cyclist should have taken notice of the end of the dedicated cycle lane.
2:38 I agree that you know more about the law than I will ever. My point would be, that if the cyclist would have been killed, I would not like to be in the HGV drivers shoes. I'm not only talking about the psychological effects of killing some one, but the fingers would be pointed at the HGV driver from the start and he would be arrested breathalysed and so on.
I shouted Blind Spot instantly. Mirrors only cover so much, that's why they have the warning sign.
I've seen rear tyre flaps on a few lorries and long vehicles that say 'Passing Side' on the right, and 'Sui-Side' on the left. That's some of the best advice I've ever been given.
The laws have given the green light to dangerous situations like this. A lorry driver has to constantly check their speed, avoid junction boxes, red lights, whilst look everywhere for pedestrians on their phones, whilst crossing, and giving way to cyclists undertaking. It's too big of an ask. Whilst some cyclists will just think 'I will proceed, because I have right of way'.
Nice to see some common sense comments from the Barrister here. As a motorist and cyclist (not at the moment because I'm waiting for a new knee) we all have to look out for each other _and ourselves_ . I do genuinely feel that the law has gone too far in protecting vulnerable road users because there is definitely an attitude of entitlement amongst a sizeable minority now. I remember a video put up some months ago where a van driver nearly hit a pedestrian who was crossing the road while she was listening to music on headphones, texting on her phone, failing to look at the traffic at all and to cap it all stepping out into the road while the lights were red for pedestrians.
The law does not go too far, the pedestrian in your comment was in breech of the highway code. The Highway Code includes the statement quote.
The hierarchy does not remove the need for everyone to behave responsibly.
@@tony_w839 IMO this is too far "HIghway code rule 76: If you are going straight ahead at a junction, you have priority over traffic waiting to turn into or out of the side road, unless road signs or markings indicate otherwise". But to each his own.
@@benjones4365 I'm curious why you think that rule is too far? It makes sense to include pedestrians heading forward at a give-way junction as well as all other road users.
Good luck with the new knee. I assume cycling might be gentler on the joints than running.
@@glenn1534 I do not think it is a good idea to put people in harms way and add confusion at junctions where there was non before.
I saw a similar incident in Hammersmith, there were iron railings. The ambulance crews were holding up the red blankets so you can imagine how bad it was. Cyclists need to ride defensively but never do.
Since the Highway Code was changed, they think they own the roads and we drivers and pedestrians have to get out of their way.
Not all cyclists are idiots as you seem to suggest and not all motorists perfect. In this instance the cyclist was clearly at fault but I ride defensively and I realise that most motorists drive responsibly. Just don't generalise.
@@eliakimjosephsophia4542
And in doing so fail to realise that pedestrians have a greater vulnerability than themselves...
some cyclists ride defensively, and also with in the rules.
@@cigmorfil4101 Yes.
I’m a cyclist and driver, hands up I’ve made some bad calls but I do reflect and learn. In some people bikes seem to bring out the inner lemming. I knew a guy who was an advanced driver, but on a bike all that evaporated and he was completely bloody lethal! 🤷♂️
As a cyclist I always "take the lane", that is stay out of the middle of the traffic lane where I'm easily visible. If you stay close to the kerb, you're likely to get the lorry creep past you and put you in that mess. Taking the lane can annoy some ignorant motorists who haven't read the highway code in years, but that's their problem.
Jeremy Vine comes to mind.
Number 1 rule when cycling on roads: Do NOT ride on the inside of HGVs. It’s not worth your life!
These things have nothing to lose as they are losers in the first place
Being a truck driver myself I’m aware of how many cyclists & drivers fail to indicate, run lights, ignore box junctions & general have bad lane discipline, I’m not surprised at all about the increased incidents 😮
I’m a hgv driver and a cyclist
I am at the conclusion that cyclists should have a passenger ride in an HGV before being allowed to ride the streets to make them aware of the dangers of riding around large goods vehicles as it’s their own lives that are at risk
The cyclist is not using common sense.
Only one problem with common sense is that it is not very common!!!!
He is the breed that scratches himself with bot paws
Definitely the cyclist
My truck had 2 mirrors on the near side , one normal and one wide angled mirror, I also had a wide angled mirror in the front top windscreen on the outside angled down so I could see down the front of my vehicle. The wide angled near side mirror would’ve picked up the cyclist as he’s driving a rigid not an articulated vehicle.
Please don't take this negatively, but I still would not rely on you to see me. I would try to stay somewhere so you could see I was clear.
@@TheRip72 absolutely, that’s why I’ve been saying for years regardless of wether you drive or not, there should be some compulsory trading for adult cyclist who use the road network, a bit like a bike CBT, for many who use the roads have no knowledge of what signs mean or any rules, my teenage daughter had no clue yet thought it a great way to get to work in a major city, the first thing you should be taught is “assume the driver has not seen you”
I'm a cyclist. The Highway Code tells us not to ride up the inside of HGVs and buses, for good reason. Even if this was a straight road, I'd have gone around the outside of this vehicle.
I mind years ago when cycling in the city and a cyclist mumped and moaned because I didn't go up the inside of the bus and had stopped behind. If he wanted to he could but I wasn't putting myself in danger
The cyclist was 100% in the wrong here totally ignoring the warning on the back of the truck, but if anything had gone wrong you can bet the driver would be blamed first.
Not by me
Obviously Lorries need to have an assistant walking in front or side with a red flag to help cyclists.
I know a couple of truckers and they tell me that lorries in London now have to have an audio warning as well as indicators but cyclists still go up the inside of the trucks when they are turning left.
Good to highlight when things are wrong but I doubt the rider would change their silly decision. Looking forward to next episode!!
As a cyclist who has also driven full-size lorries (up to & including 40 tonners, I assure everybody of 2 things:
1) despite having lots of mirrors, large vehicles have a few blind spots, no matter hiw good the driver is.
2) There's zero doubt in my mind that the biggest danger to cyclists are the cyclists themselves. Most cyclists do not have the appropriate commonsense, experience & intelligence to be allowed on the roads (and that includes Jeremy Vine),
Why is it that the cyclist's journey so much more important than other road users. Isn't it the rule that people pass on the right?
The highway code states that filtering is acceptable with caution, clearly there is no caution displayed here.
@@markholt The Highway Code also says for cyclists not to pass on the left of HGVs and buses (saying this as a cyclist who only read the HC when I bought a bike)
As a cyclist I would never go up the inside beyond stupid
I recently did a heavy goods vehicle license, and have joked many times, that you need to use the mirrors that much that you occasionally look out of the front.
There is a particular form of modern cyclist that can best be described as "entitled". They seem to think they have precidence over all other road users, including pedestrians on crossings.
By "Entitled" I assume you mean WANKER
And the "funny" thing is that pedestrians are a more vulnerable road user than cyclists and as, such cyclists should be giving pedestrians the same consideration they expect other less vulnerable road users to give them...
"There are old pilots and bold pilots but, very few old, bold pilots". Could apply to cyclists too.
Excatly this glad I no longer drive in the shit show hell hole aka London
And yet they have in the most part neither paid to be there nor proven their competence to be there, unlike all others on the highway. They are there as a privilege and shouldn't abuse it.
As a cyclist, motorcyclist and car driver I acknowledge there are experienced cyclists like this trying to kill themselves by taking ridiculous risks . However, even more dangerous are the novice (no helmet)e bike rental riders who may be tourists and or have no road sense or training, riding in what must be one of the most dangerous cities in the world not just for stabbing but bike riders.
I had a family member I never met, who got snuffed out while riding his bike. Crosswind, teenage boy on a push bike and an articulated lorry. It happened right outside a major hospital, practicaly on it's doorstep. There was nothing that could be done to save him. Please be careful on the road. It doesn't matter who is in the right or wrong, the outcome is still the same. Grief.
Part of the issue with cycle "infrastructure" it encourages cycling like that, I don't understand why they spend money on painting the road when often it encourages bad cycling and bad driving and increases the danger to cyclists.
You always need to remember that normal rules of the road do not apply to cyclists. They are allowed to go straight through red traffic lights, they are allowed to go the wrong way along one-way streets, they are allowed to ride on the pavements and they are allowed to cross double white lines - to name but four things. How dare anyone suggest that cyclists should have brains?
Cyclists (and electric scooters) are not "allowed" to do many things.
They simply get away with it because cops are not there to see it, and ANPR does nothing with things without number plates.
There are good examples (on youtube) where they get pulled up by police on the rare occasions when they are being watched.
@@CubicSpline7713 electric scooters are tracked so they should be easier to police automatically than cars
I had one try to bully me out the way when coming down the cycling path. He was going a lot faster and obviously thought I'd chicken out first. Unfortunately for him, my fishing road accidentally veered into his eyeline and he ended up in a ditch. I'd have stopped but I didn't want to keep the missus waiting if you know what I mean.
100% agree. Of course it is the lorry drivers fault. I mean cyclist in the wrong. Like that ever happens.
They constantly ride up behind you, dinging that stupid little bell. That would be like me driving my car along a footpath at 30mph, sounding my horn at anyone in the way.
I drive on this road very regularly, almost daily. Cyclists pass on the left when I am turning left (in a car, so not quite as difficult to spot them), and the right when I am turning right. It's a nightmare! Sometimes you are making this turn with a moped cutting it close between two cars in the centre of the road, and cyclists passing down the side. You're basically pinned in as a driver in these scenarios and all you can do is stop to prevent the idiots killing themselves.
Another thing to note is that all road users have a duty of care for their own safety, and thst includes when another road user makes a mistake. I have seen so many people putting themselves into dangerous positions after another road user has made a mistake simply because "it's my right of way" or "I have priority". It is no good saying "I had priority" whilst in a hospital bed when you could have taken care of your own safety and come out of it unscaved, and no more than inconvenienced. Being "in the right" and injured is much less favourable than correcting someone else's mistake and being safe. If you have a hard time correcting someone's mistake because they're in the wrong, then you should probably check your ego as that mentality just makes things worse.
Thank you for the comment.
If in London the HGV would have DVS cameras fitted and would have got an audible warning
If taking a HGV into London you now have to have a safety certificate to show what cameras and safety equipment is fitted
We have just paid out a fortune to have it fitted to our artic
In October the DVS rules change . Vehicles over 12 tons must also have the front detection system in place. It detects when a person walks in front of the vehicle. Our company has spent thousands for our fleet. I'm the one that applies for the permits. We are FORS certified so have to comply with any changes they make too.
Ashley Neil would say [probably] that the cyclists shouldn't put themselves into a more dangerous situation but hold back behind the big lorry. Focus on being seen and where they are at the moment they cannot be seen.
Yes, focus on self preservation in "heavy" traffic.
Ashley Neil is a prat, don't bring him into a sensible conversation, he dose not belong in one.
Cyclists seem to think that 100% of their safety on the road is the responsibility of other road users. And not theres.
Some do. Others understand that they will be in hospital (or worse) after a collision, regardless of who is at fault.
How do you what cyclists think? Get on a bike and see what cyclists have to deal with. I cycle 200 miles a week, and I wouldn't have gone up the inside of that lorry. 99% of the danger I experience on the road comes from drivers.
My personal rule of thumb when cycling is never overtake vehicles on the inside whilst they are in motion or capable of being in motion whilst I would be alongside. In a situation like that where you can't see whether the vehicle could move then stop and wait. I tend to overtake on the outside more often as better visibilty for drivers and less risk of a door opening in front of me.
The lorry was stationary when the cyclist started the move. Had the lorry moved and closed the space the cyclist is not in danger because he has somewhere to go; on the path.
As a keen cyclist, I would never try to squeeze through like that on a left hand bend, even if the HGV is stationary. What I would have done is taken prime (centre) position behind the HGV.
Mirrors won't see you there, if you can't see the trucks mirrors it can't see you mate
@@johngibson3837The HGVs' mirrors won't see motorbikes or small cars behind it either, so what's your point exactly?
Me too
@@JP-hr7chBecause the cyclist would be behind the lorry, it's pretty difficult for the lorry to mow someone down, when they are behind you, unless of course you are reversing 🤔
@@somalilandrecognition5413 It's illegal to operate a HGV in Greater London without a HGV Safety Permit, which includes a front, side and reversing cameras, its called the Direct Vision Standard ;)
There are 3 types of cyclists 2 of which are self entitled as follows.. 1. The risk takers as is in this case . 2. The ones that ware tights that cut off the oxygen to their brain. 3. Sensible cyclists that spot danger and stick to the Highway Code.
As a cyclist and a hgv driver its the joys of using the roads today 🙄.
As a cyclist myself, i would never go there, but as i driver you should proceed when its safe to do so, mirrors have blind spot? - dont fit for purpose, get some cameras installed, two wrongs doesnt make it right, but one can be seriously hurt or even worse, but as we say The peasant will not cross himself before it begins to thunder.
Many cyclists just do not have any idea of self preservation and just lack of common sense. In Bristol they are so bad, undertaking at junctions, running reds, ignoring zebra crossings, filtering by weaving through traffic on inside and out.... list goes on. Dont get me started on how they treat footpaths with pedestrians!
If motorists must keep 1.5 meters distance from a cyclist, then cyclists must keep 1.5 meters distance from motor vehicles.
I would agree, that would be nice. Sadly the law is not written that way round, anything overtaking a bicycle must leave 1.5M to overtake, but providing they can squees past, they think it is OK.
I'm a cyclist and have long been aware of the danger of the inside of a large vehicle, whether turning left or right.. Not a place you want to put yourself. Particularly dangerous when there are railings on the edge of the pavement just waiting to squash you between them and the truck.
In fact I'll wait at the rear of the vehicle and then wave to the driver in the mirror to let him know it is safe for him to continue.
I don't even do it in a car (typical example - insdie lane of a roundabout with articulated vehicle on the outside line. You simply don't know how far the rear end of the trailer is going to need to cross into the inside lane even as the cab goes as wide as possible. So stay behind the rear of the trailer until it straightens up, and all will be well.
I LOVE this format please do more like this it's a GREAT way for people to understand things . GREAT IDEA
If vehicles have to give them 1.5m should they have to give vehicles 1.5m too???
No.
No, because other vehicles are less likely to have to swerve to avoid a pothole, or to fall off. Cyclist can make their own decision if they're doing the passing. Though in this case the cyclist is clearly a moron.
Cyclists rule one...... I'm an entitled cyclist .... End of rules
@@michaelgurd7477 Why not? It's for their own safety, isn't it?
I agree
First off, I wouldn't have ridden in there.
Now, I have always had a bit of a problem with the phrase, "if you can't see my mirrors, I can't see you". Because, even if I can't see their mirrors, it doesn't necessarily mean that they can't see the edge of my vehicle,
The Highway Code clearly says the cyclist is in the right "when cycling on the road, only pass to the left of large vehicles when they are stationary or slow moving and you should proceed with caution as the driver may not be able to see you. Be particularly careful on the approach to junctions or where a large vehicle could change lanes to the left."
Oh dear! I gave up cycle two years ago after riding on the road since the late 1960s. The roads are far too congested and the traffic is moving faster than ever as modern basic cars now have much of the performance abilities of the most powerful cars of the 60s and 70s.
But if a cyclist does this kind of pea-brained manoeuvre then he has nobody to blame but himself if things go wrong. Imagine the impact on the lorry driver if he ran over that cyclist without ever being aware of where he was, because he could not see him?
We live in such a selfish world these days.
Best wishes from George
This is why cyclists should have some sort of licence plate so they can be identified. It's the 1% who do this, jump traffic lights, speed through zebra crossings... which gives the rest a bad name..
In NZ, the cycling road code states that at roundabouts and intersections, cyclists should "take the lane", ie think of yourself as a car and move to the centre of the appropriate lane depending on which direction you plan to go. So I would ride my bike behind the truck, and be part of the traffic queue. Once I am through the intersection or roundabout, I then move back to the left side of the road.
Yes you are right, the cyclist should have applied "If you Dont't know - Don't Go" . Most of the cyclists that do this kind of thing and moan about vehicle drivers ARE vehicle drivers themselves and should know better.
The Dutch have it right.
Keep cyclists away from the roads...
But more than that, anything bigger/ heavier than you has automatic right of way!
Pedestrians give way to cyclists who give way to motorbikes who give way to cars who give way to vans who give way to buses who give way to lorries who give way to trams.
The bigger vehicles have a duty of care to not hit the idiot, but it's the more vulnerable user that has to onus put on them...
I saw an investigation video a while back into a woman who was hit while crossing the road in front of a stationary lorry at a pelican crossing. It was determined that the driver was not as fault as there was no way that the driver could have seen the woman due to view restrictions created by the vehicle itself, and angles, distance and height between the woman and the driver.
Hey I got it right! Even as a car driver I always gave a great deal of consideration to lorry drivers. Running these juggernauts around a busy city/town is very demanding and they would need eyes in their backsides to be 100% safe. The cyclist could have dismounted and pushed his bike on the pavement if he/she was in so much of a hurry!🤷♂️
The key to safe cycling to know when to own your road space when necessary and when to get off and push it when you are in danger. A bike is a great extension to your legs, so long as you have legs and have not had them amputated under the wheels of a cement truck.
Understand the law says motorists must keep 1.5m away from cyclists.
Common sense should suggests cyclist should keep 1.5m way from motor vehicles....
It is sheer stupidity to place oneself at risk of harm.
Having been in the left lane of a multi-lane road in Sydney on a motorbike, I was nearly wiped out by a box body truck to my right, as he decided to move left. An extra mirror on each door would have given the driver better vision of the area I was in. The incident also highlights everybody's responsibility to look after themselves. Saying "I'm right" isn't very effective as a defence when you've just been flattened.
If you look at the rear wheels, as this lorry has counter steering wheel, you can see the lorry had actually turned away from the cyclist to avoid the collision.
As a regular cyclist I have the opinion that many motorists hate cyclists and want us dead. It helps to keep me alive by being vigilant. I never want to have He had the right of way On my tombstone.
Nice new format Daniel,
More of this content please ..
Brave going down the inside like that especially as the visibility from the driver’s cab is often limited. A friend of mine did something similar in a car on a roundabout with a bus failing to notice that the angle was narrowing as he was too busy putting his foot down so the end result of him having to borrow my car for a few weeks while he found a new one was inevitable. Finding yourself on the inside isn’t a good place to be if the driver can’t see you.
Before hearing your comment, there is a “Blind Spot, Do not pass on inside”. Too many cyclists either do not know or ignore “The Rules of the Road” I’m surprised more are not hurt on roads. As a car driver I’m always minded that I’m in control of a potentially lethal vehicle. P.s. I cycled to and from school/work from the age of 8 to 28…
as a van driver, my biggest peeve is when pedestrians pass behind me as i'm about to begin a reverse manouvre.
Totally agree. I am licenced to drive heavy vehicles and I also love to cycle so can give my opinion without any bias. Bad idea to move in on a heavy vehicle like that and risk crushing yourself. The road was clearly not wide enough for the cyclist to do this. Though I would point out that some cities are quite large with millions of road users daily. People need to be considerate of others and move with speed and caution. It would be inconsiderate to hold up traffic in a major city by being over cautious. The heavy vehicle if staying in their lane is safe. They drive by relying on people not pulling stupid stunts that put their own life at risk. You would be surprised how big blind spots can be in a heavy vehicle.