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- People debate the most appropriate response to a parking charge notice often and people have mixed results from nothing to a case going all the way to the Supreme Court.
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Is there anything left in the UK that you can do without getting taxed or fined?
What a nightmare.
Yeah be homeless.
@@BothSideStoriez isnt there some vagrency act, that makes it illegal to be homeless... didnt i see something about people wanting the law changed?
Yep, Scotland. These PCNs are not enforceable. I just bin them. Similarly, you can't get your car clamped by private companies. In fact, in Scotland only the DVLA can clamp a car, on the public road, for having no road tax.
@@626F62 if its illegal to be homeless the government and council should be in the courts and getting a bollocking from house of parliament for running major cities and towns to this point where these situations are very extreme.
@@climbtherainbowYou can’t even say anything in Scotland now though.
the most disgusting site for these is a hospital. hospitals are generally far away from train staitions, so the 'stopping commuter parking' excuse is nonsense. when my gran was in hospital for 2 months until she passed away, it cost me a fortune to visit her every day. it's infuriating.
And that is if you can find a free spot!!
Imagine working at the hospital and getting tickets
@navlad3356 it's criminal. my mum was a nurse for 30 years at King Georges and had to pay for the carpark every day. 🤬🤬🤬
@Professional_CZcams_Commenter
What a W⚓️.
Your comment proves you have no connection everyday people. You think everyone can afford to pay for parking every day at hospital,? or 'get an uber'?
Unbelievable.
The world doesn't run on nothing. Most hospitals have concessions for patients. Just Park properly to avoid fines
The amount of money they try to make from a slab of tarmac is sheer greed. If they charged a reasonable amount like £10 for an overstay, people would have more respect for them and would immediately pay it. I don't understand how three fine can be so much more than what anyone would pay to park. I really don't get why we can't argue in court that the amount is excessive and that the landowner can't show an equivalent loss.
It's more than parking you're car next to a kerb, most places are secure with multi cctv which is ideal for when you need evidence to obtain. Now If you over stay what you haven't pay for then own up to the risk you took, or just get a uber, bus, train, cycle or walk.
But then it wouldn’t be a deterrent and lots would just price the fine into their journey if it allowed them to park in the most advantageous place possible for them. A bit like footballers who don’t have to care about money so they just park on double yellow lines and to hell with the consequences
How about your law based inteligence comes clean and JUST tells US to IGNORE ALL correspondance, NOT answer the door - unless it's your delivery. ??
Read up on the deterrent theory by D'Arcy 😅
@@languageoffootballmate you can't compare normal people with fuckn football players man. most people dont want to pay £3-£4 for parking, much less a full ten sheet. just to park like not a few miels away from the shops.
MOST people still wouldnt want that fine. cant make laws based around people rich as or richer than footie players mate.
I won one of these in court, which was very satisfying! It was a shared office block car park. The land title for each office included the spaces for that office from within the car park. A management company that owned the common land in and around the car park (but not any of the spaces) brought in a parking company for the whole car park. My car got ticketed and it ended up in court. I produced land registry documents showing my car was parked on land belonging to X (as it was allowed to) the parking company produced a contract with Y (the management co.). The judge, quite annoyed, promptly threw it out. I wouldn't mind if not for the fact that it took an entire year from ticket to judgement and I'm told that was fast.
Only the County Court or High Court can instruct Bailiffs. Any other threats of bailiffs, whether in writing or over the phone, is just scare tactics. The Magistrates Court can instruct Bailiffs in respect of unpaid Council Tax, because that's classed as a criminal debt not civil.
Wrong ! Yet another internet lawyer spreading misleading information!
This is correct and only Judges & Magistrates can issue fines...
Can’t companies issue credit agencies to mess up your credit scoring
@@messimess9985 They are obliged to report your credit history, ie payments and payments missed. That's not messing you up, that's just consumer law.
These rapacious parking cartels are just one aspect of the deteriorating country.
The fact they exist and prosper is arguably testament to the failings of the legal system.
Principally it being a system for the wealthy and powerful uppermost, and it's disparity from being a justice system. And it's surprising how many believe it to be the latter!
Well its privately owned land someone has to pay for the upkeep of the space we have sites in the middle of town centers so need to pay a cleaning company to pick up litter empty bins or there would be rubbish everywhere and syringes and socks and boots pizza boxes all manner of rubbish then you normally need a gardening company to clear up weeds and moss that can grow and destroy pavements etc making it unsafe for people to walk on you need pay a company to paint the lines regularly as they constantly fade due to the weather. The owner is liable for health and safety as well and has to be able to prove to the council that they have done there best to make parking restrictions so as emergency vehicles like ambulance and fire trucks can get in if they need to and they pay someone to manage that. So if they dont have enough money to maintain all that the area would be concrete blocked off and you would have no where to park at all!
They only get away with it because the DVLC sell your details off. Data protection obviously means bugger all when it comes to making money from the motorist.
@@raydearie9805 One could argue that the upkeep should be paid for by the businesses that are profiting from the customers, for the privilege of their customers convenience. But then that would be reducing profits, so as always, it's passed on to the consumer to protect said business profits.
@@raydearie9805 Interesting viewpoint. Are you talking about Supermarkets and Hospitals here? Supermarkets have plenty of money from the sale of goods to people who shop at their establishments and would make a lot less money if they provided no parking at all. And as a taxpayer I am a part owner of all NHS parking spaces. And while we're at it, what "lines" need painting or pavements might be destroyed on privately owned land?
@raydearie9805
If there were nowhere to park workers wouldn't be at work, shoppers wouldn't shop.
How long do you think that would go on before the problem got fixed?
You do notice how all government employers have ample space for employees to park?
Supermarkets know the game as do shopping centres.
Car parking is an essential part of urban infrastructure that is being exploited.
I remember visiting family in the UK from Canada and I had a rental. My mother-in-law had a disability display badge as she needed a wheelchair. I parked at the Metrocentre car park and got a notice because the badge was upside down. We were returning to Canada the following day, but they sent letters for 2 years threatening legal action. I did not want to get into an argument about a disability badge that was upside down. I have more important things to do and worry about. Needless to say. They stopped sending letters for what was a £35 penalty. If I had been in the wrong, I would have paid it without question, but I think in this case, their actions were unjustified.
A simple phone call would have resolved this. Though as you're not a national they'd have a had time pursuing it. Can't imagine courts sending Bailiffs to Canada.
@@Ravencos😂They have no jurisdiction and powers to lay down the court there.
Don't think the law actually states which way up a blue badge needs to be. It needs to be displayed with the right side facing upwards but they would have had difficulty from what you say pursuing this case in court because it was upside down but showing the right side.
As a side note, if people stopped using companies that hide behind parking companies and treated their customers fairly the current wild west parking situation would - if not disappear - be greatly reduced as the 'nice little earner' that parking currently is would begin to affect their core business.
Just a though🤔
😁😁😁
Incidentally, I parked in a strip mall next to the doctor's office I was going to to pick up a prescription. I literally left the parking lot to go to the office which was 50 yards away. There was no available parking outside of the doctor's office. I then walked back to the strip mall and picked up my prescription at the Shoppers Drug Mart there. After returning to the car, i noticed a sticker on my window. It was a penalty notice for parking and walking off the premises. I did not realise there was a very small penalty notice explaining this near the entrance. This was a free parking lot for patrons using the shops and businesses. The attendant obviously saw me park and walk off. I couldn't find an attended to explain. I called the number and explained I would not be paying the penalty as my intension was not to park and leave the premises. I explained that I had literally left to pick up my prescription and then went to the Pharmacy at the mall. I also pointed out that the posted notice was too small to notice. I said I would take it to court and show that I returned minutes later because my receipt from the Pharmacy demonstrated this and they would find it extremely difficult to prove intent of parking and leaving the premises. They dropped the penalty right away. Now this is in Canada. I am not so sure they would have been as understanding in the UK
I've never deliberately went into a carpark or similar knowing I was going to ignore the charge, but the times I have received parking charge notices, I have binned every letter over the years, and nothing ever come of it
Not a good idea. They have 6 years to decide to chase it up.
@@stevelane1956 its a great idea, ill do this too butfirst ill stick fake plates on
@@stevelane1956 👍👍👍👍👍👍
@@stevelane1956 Pussy, I've binned at least 85 over the last 7 years. The parking companies must love a person like you.
Haha exactly people take this crap way too serious
I've accumulated hundreds of these charges over the past 15 years. Never paid a single one. Never will. Those companies can swivel on the big one 😂
Legend! 😂 I got one last mag and completely ignored them. Until I get a CCJ, which I don’t think will happen then I’ll continue to ignore them lol
Absolutely, these Dick Turpins are on thin ground.
Small one u mean 😂
I'm glad you're proud of your criminal activity.
@@javaidsadiq5775well yeah, if you're desi it would be but he's not.
In my opinion the only way we will get rid of these "parking management companies" is by boycotting every company that uses them.
Once the companies start seeing a major drop in footfall and revenue they will start getting rid of those "parking management companies" because it'll be costing them to much money.
Personally I refuse to spend money in any shop / company that uses a "parking management company" out of principle.
I've already stopped using ANY supermarket that employs predatory parking conditions in their carparks. Once bitten...
And I've taken the trouble to tell them why.
Clearly - many of them don't care.
Clearly - I won't be shopping with them in future.
BUT... do they REALLY think this is a great business model? Or is so much of their customer base how so gullible no-one cares any more?
@@jackwaycombeYou're right, they don't care. Why should they..? Enough people do use them for them to make money, so they're not going to give you a second thought.
They are everywhere though. For example in the hospital's car parks I have NCP and I have cancer so that is an absolute nightmare to deal with
@@sunflower-xj6pe That's one advantage of being up here in Scotland. All hospital car parks are free.
Our council has just scrapped a 'free after 2pm' scheme that was brought in to support the dying high street and dumped and extra 10p an hour on for good measure. If everyone boycotted the council carparks (There's plenty of other ones to pick from), I'd put money on them dropping the price again as their budget is including carpark revenues in it now.
Worth checking with the owner of the land sometimes as well to find out if the parking company actually do have permission to enforce on the land
A guy I know was involved in a case where he actually owned a small industrial estate and rented the units out, he parked in an empty units car park to talk to a tenant and came back to find his Range Rover hand been towed away, from land he actually owned... Police got involved as he accused theft but didn't do a lot. He got the car returned but undrivable, from CCTV footage he proved they had towed it with a spectacle lift so as it was full time 4x4 it had destroyed the gearbox, he took action for repairs/ rental etc. He is a very nice bloke but not someone to P off, and also not short a bit of money. He decided to break them, they made claims the land owner had given them permission to enforce parking but strangely couldn't find proof, further evidence suggested they had some legal enforcement contracts but were also putting up notices and enforcing on any other bit of land they could find. Other tenants had had staff and customers fined but had assumed the company was operating it with his permission, he collected as many cases of fines as he could and took legal action (class action?), bankrupted the parking company, sent in the bailiffs, had them remove everything they could lay there hands on and chased the directors for everything he could as well. I don't think he actually managed to get back all the money the legal action cost but was willing to take the hit just because they had seriously annoyed him. Realistically they had probable hidden assets via Ltd companies etc and probable popped up again under a different name but he put a serious dent in the operations for a while
Hola from Spain...I had a couple of these parking notices when I lived in England...I contested them and they went away eventually...seemingly they don't want to work too hard to collect their money....where I live in Spain now, you can park almost anywhere....the local council (Ayuntemiento) also provide 3 big free carparks in town...Cabbage Island monetizes everything...
Cabbage Island! What is that in Spanish? 😂
In France wheel clamping is illegal from what I understand ..good job ...😊
Cabbage island. Hahaha. It’s fkn miserable there. You walk around feeling robbed. Most airports charge a £5 dropping off fee. No parking, just stopping outside. Stop somewhere else to avoid it? £100 fine. No wonder they walk around dragging their feet shoulders hunched. 😂
5 quid?? Try 7 to 10 quid these days @@StumpyVandal
Isla de repollo, so true..
I had to defend no less than 6 CCJs from SIP parking management who fined me daily for using the parking space assigned to my apartment. While I was displaying a pass. They didn't inform me of the intention to go to court, there was no summons. They persued as many parallel cases as possible. It was a nightmare. All 6 CCJs were overturned because they didn't have any evidence or even an agreement to manage the parking there. Also, the space was on the land registry and they contravened my right to quiet enjoyment of the property. Absolute snides these parking people.
Please sue them for harassment
Hi Aiden, I have a case very similar to yours although I did not display a permit (the landlord had not yet printed the permit and told me it would be fine).
Over 10 years ago I received a Parking Charge Notice and ignored it. Every 2 weeks I received a reminder, and the charge increased 100% every 2 weeks. It accumulated into thousands of pounds that was slightly worrying, but then the letters stopped arriving. 😊
That is exactly what happened to me 😉
Same here.
And me
I think that’s because it’s not worth them issuing court proceedings and then facing further costs for enforcement of a judgment for such a small sum. The interest they apply is at the court’s discretion ultimately and so they run the risk of actually losing money
You never agreed to a contract !
Our pals went through something like this and took them to court. The private parking company failed to show up on that case and the other 5 cases of the same same nature on that day, and it was thrown out.
Happened to me I ignored all letters for over 2 years took me to court and they never showed up nor did I it was thrown out 😂😂😂
Had an wrongly issued Parking Charge Notice issued and I telephoned the company. They told me that their PCN was a fine and if I don't pay the court will tow away my car! How many victims have they threatened and lied to?
Are there no laws against deception in England?
Fraud Act 2006
Fraud by false representation
(1)A person is in breach of this section if he-
(a)dishonestly makes a false representation, and
(b)intends, by making the representation-
(i)to make a gain for himself or another, or
(ii)to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.
(2)A representation is false if-
(a)it is untrue or misleading, and
(b)the person making it knows that it is, or might be, untrue or misleading.
(3)“Representation” means any representation as to fact or law, including a representation as to the state of mind of-
(a)the person making the representation, or
(b)any other person.
(4)A representation may be express or implied.
(5)For the purposes of this section a representation may be regarded as made if it (or anything implying it) is submitted in any form to any system or device designed to receive, convey or respond to communications (with or without human intervention).@@normanlesley1867
@@normanlesley1867 Yes, and you could, if you recorded them saying that, you could sue them in court.
About 8 years ago I got a fine by parking eye (monitoring aldi carpark at the time), they sent pics of me entering carpark at about 8pm and other of me leaving at about 6pm next day!
I used to use it as short cut when delivering pizzas, I had me and my car on shops cctv which I added to usb, I ignored them and waited for the day they took me to court,
someone told me you should keep hold of evidence for 5 years?
I purchased my car off a friend, he sent off the relevant forms without my name and just put, ''I am no longer the registered keeper of this vehicle.''
I now own that vehicle and not the DVLA.
Winner. Police stopped me zbout 2yrs later and said that this vehicle has no registered keeper, I said, "Thanks for understanding.''
They know people are getting educated about law and legalities and realise its pointless arguing or they get fined for harassment 😊
The main thing everyone overlooks, including yourself, is that these parking companies which are scum and flout the law and code of practice in nearly every instance, is that they can only operate with the authority of the car park owner. So, every time I get one of these I contact the owners and discuss with them why it should be rescinded. 99% of the time it will be rescinded and then you hear no more. The benefit of this is there is zero need to engage with the parking penises and they can't hound you any further. Only once did I not succeed when I over stayed a 2 hour parking slot late at night when my meal overran, down in Mousehole, Cornwall and a camera got me. Although I found the owner I couldn't get them to reply. All other instances I get them quashed, but I do make reasonable attempts to comply or make a later payment.
Huh, Mousehole. My neck of the woods. Had a job near there, overshot the destination, asked the attendant if we could turn the van around in the car park, “no” was the reply.
I was gonna say, if this is all on the up and up, why is it operating like a scam? Your take makes sense. That said, I do wonder if debt collections work differently in the UK than on the other side of the pond. Over here debt collections usually purchase the debt and thus the owner no longer owns it... meaning if you're contacted by debt collections only they can take you to court... which is a whole other mess of nonsense.
@@Mounhas Cool story
I contacted Lidl directly after I was sent a PCN. I explained that the entire time I was in the car park, I was in their store, quietly browsing. My till receipt (which I Always get) showed the time of my exit and the £80+ purchases. My argument was they had No Losses (which is what the PCN contract is about ) to recover from me. She agreed, I called the parking thieves, told them I'd spoken directly to Lidl Customer Service and that was the end of it. Always keep a till receipt if you're in restricted-time supermarket parking.
@@admthrawnuru You are correct the debt is owed to the parking penises (PP) but the owner can withdraw their consent for them to impose the amount. I'm no lawyer, I just know this works and it avoids the need for me to engage with them. Keeps life simple. If you appeal to the PP they will involve you in a very long drawn out fight with written letters and I don't have the time or energy to argue with unreasonable faceless businesses.
Just another example of the state's new economic model, extortion. In this case the state aiding the extortionists.
correct, what a country
Have you noticed that just about every new law has a fine or penalty attached, like the ULEZ. The police are just revenue collectors and the CPS just squeeze as much from cases as they can.
It was always the state's model, it just didn't hurt you enough before.
@@zx9mel Problem is that people have been pushed too far, the state has lost control over information. End result even at 0.1% of the population taking direct action, politicians know their necks are on the line.
The entire purpose of the state is to enforce private property
Here in Mansfield you often find the yellow plastic bagged tickets took off, and on the ground.
this happened to my auntie recently I appealed the charge on her behalf whilst it was still under a apel process they send a letter demanding £1,000 even though it said online it was only £60 charge and had sent it to a bailiff company I sent this to them it was still under the appeals process yet they demanded the money the bailiff company wrote it off no further action and the place where my auntie parked actually paid the charge on her behalf to stop the letters
Currently dealing with debt collectors set on me by a parking company for a parking charge iv already paid, due to them sending 2 separate invoices for the same incident because they forgot to put the date/time stamps on the pics of the original. Iv provided evidence of both the duplication and payment, but they're still havin a go 😕
DSAR/LBC/N1 them for data protection abuse, £2,000 prize for you for each one.
My immediate thoughts as they have no legal basis to progess ur data
I had a similar situation with Scottish Power - they had confirmed that I didn't owe the money they had claimed for a property I had never been responsible for. I wrote to them and debt collection agency (recorded delivery) telling hem I would bill them £50 for any further letters or telephone calls. They wrote again, I invoiced them and gave them 28 days to pay. I then wrote again giving 14 days or there would be a small claims court action. They paid me...
Just get fake plates mate. I'm done with nonsense.
I’ve not payed a parking ticket for 5 years and will never pay them. I’ve had over a hundred parking tickets and I’ve had so many letters and bailiffs at my door and tell them to F-off! And I park where I like not in loading bays” or crossings” or anywhere dangerous, or in disabled bays. Eventually the letters stop! I even told the council it’s a massive ripoff and council had made the city of derby a nightmare with parking restrictions and many years ago you could park near the city of derby and they have made derby in the up a complete nightmare with expensive parking rates. So I’ve got a Hugh pile of letters and tickets and will never pay them.
Had several parking eye PCNs. Ignored them all, after several threats, they gave up.
Had one from another company, Ignored that and I got a letter from a court 140 miles away.
Replied to the court, saying I'd happily attended a local court and heard nothing more. Simple fact is, it costs them more to take you to court than they'll get out of you.
actually if they have a successful court case doesn’t the guilty party end up having to pay the CPM’s legal fees and other costs?!
@@Antiguan_Dart Not always, no.
I got a letter from a court to pay the charge because I over stayed at a service station apparently.. I got a CCJ eventually never paid it to this day.
The cost of PCNs increase overtime so eventually would be worth it for them
@@Antiguan_Dart It says on the letters the maximum you could owe if it goes to court and it's only about £234, before they tell you this they try to scare you making out it will be a huge amount. The company that's sending me letters have not ever took a single person to court yet so I doubt they ever will. Most legal advice I've seen about said company says to totally ignore them. I think if they did ever take anyone to court it would highlight how dodgy the company operate and would backfire on them.
I got taken to court but the judgement went my way. My advice is ignore everything except a letter from the county court.
No need to wait to be taken to court. You can avoid county court easily by searching pepipoo forums and using their easy to follow advice.
If anyone reads the advice of phil111ify 'iffy' advice do not take it. He's another clown 🤡 on CZcams giving dangerous advice, the internet is full of them.
Hi, this is happening to me, I've sent in my defense, any tips you can share about how you won
@@sen5908 My case was simple I did prepare a defense based on the signage not being clear but it never got used. When I got to court the opposing council had not pepared any papers for the judge. The judge went nuclear on them and told them never to come court without being prepared again. The judge then turned to me and apologised that my time had been wasted and then thanked me for doing eveything I was asked to do by the court then awarded me the decision. It was a really good day. P.s Just because the court sends you papers doesnt mean it will go to court. The court will send out papers before they have been paid by the opposing legal firm. Sometimes the firm doesnt pay then the whole thing gets cancelled. Its a bully boy tactic, happened to me once.
@@phil111ify many thanks, the ones I'm dealing with failed to send the first demand when it was £40 the first I heard about it was when it was £100 and they said I ignored the first letter, there was no first letter, did you attend the court in Nottingham in person??
I always thought these stickers were for complimenting my driving skills. Parking, fine👍🏿. 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Haha - you could have then printed with a comma as a grammatically correct joke!
Classic! 😂
I beat my PCN. I put together a good defence and their legal people backed off whilst we were waiting for the booked court date. I won. It took from Dec 2021 until March 2024 of numerous letters from parking companies, solicitors and debt collectors. I wanted my day in court because they lied in the particulars of claim. I made an official complaint about the solicitors too. In my defence I showed how the parking company had not followed the BPA guidance with full colour A4 photos.
Very similar here, but it didn't drag on as long, and as it was during a COVID lockdown, the trial was supposed to happen over the phone. I knew I had a good defence (the bays weren't marked with lines) so I just repeated that when asked. UK CPM asked for a payment to prevent the case going to trial. I offered £0. They pulled out on the day, minutes before the trial was due to start and that was the last I heard of it.
@ubertoaster99 Good job and well done for standing your ground
Well done I did the same but had to go to court, and I won.
How do I complain about the solicitors? They signed a witness statement even though the only witnesses were me and the parking attendant who didn't sign a witness statement and didn't provide any evidence.
Thanks in advance :)
@@thenoodlebuddy Mine are part of the Solicitors Regulation Authority. You can complain via the website
Thank you
I received a parking ticket when I went for an appointment at Preston Hospital. All I did was drive in and out of a parking area designated for staff. I drove straight out when I noticed the signage. I couldn't find anywhere to park and drove about 1/4 mile away and parked on the street.
Some of the guys at work said I should ignore the fine. I didn't want the stress and paid. Ironically, the hospital appointment was for a stress related condition.
You have a 10 minute grace period.....unless they had proof that you stayed longer. That was your appeal defence. Use google search to avoid playing their ludicrous invoices if it happens again.
Thats how they stay in business. They spam letters to everyone just like how you get junk email and if even 1 person in a 1000 paid they make a profit. Sorry to hear you fell victim to the scam. There are more scammers in the world beyond the people with the Nigerian or Indian accent on the phone
@@rickysmyth They are operating under contract law and if you fall foul you of the conditions are liable to pay their invoice. Ignoring is very risky since FOPA 2012, but can be avoided by googling for help from various parking forums across the internet. Cheers.
@@raymondo6665 I got so many of those debt collection letters that it was more than what the car was worth. I hope you're not saying to pay these
@@rickysmyth I couldn't;t give a flying f*ck whether you pay them or not. Fact is though that if you receive a PCN from a PPC (since 2012) you are taking a risk by ignoring. You're welcome.
We went to a park in Milton Keynes on the day of the Muse gig. It was packed and every single parking payment machine was down. We tried all the machines, tried calling the parking machines providers and went as far to attempt to make payment in all the local pubs and shops to no avail. Que a raft of letters for none payment etc
I won my case with this exact scenario. If the machine is broken, that should win your appeal..In my case I took a photo of the inoperable machine..
@@chrismalcomson7640 I also always take photos of an inoperable parking machine just in case this happens
I received a parking charge because the only payment machine was faulty in as much as the screen providing confirmation of input and instructions remained dark throughout my attempt to complete the correct payment. This was the only reason i did not make sufficient payment. I appealed but they rejected my appeal. I appealed through POPLA and the company submitted images of a more modern machine, beautifully lit as evidence of how easy it was to follow instructions and pay the correct amount. I am waiting for the POPLA verdict.
POPLA tend to favour the parking crooks
@@kevinthurlow8055 No more than I expect but interested to see what they say.
regardless of whether POPLA accept your appeal or not, it doesn't matter. It doesn't mean you have to pay. POPLA don't employ legally qualified people. My understanding is they're pretty thick and have a vested interest in siding with parking companies. If the parking company wants your money they'll have to take you to Court. Don't make it easy for them by paying. Unless of course, your parking incident was ridiculously bad and a court would have no other option than to rule in their favour
The notice to keeper has to be sent out within 14 days of the alledged contravention (assuming no parking ticket put on vehicle). The alternative is that the parking company needs to prove who the driver was.
My wife has successfully defended parking charge notices sent to her as the keeper because they were sent after 14 days and the parking charge company failed to prove who the driver was.
The fact that the ticket and envelope used look EXACTLY like the police/council/DVLA is illegal under Section 40 of the Administration of Justice Act 1970 (i.e. making the invoice look like it's a official/government issued one).
Does that mean we can legally ignore them?
We should take THEM to court for this impersonation
No it’s not. Just because they look like them isn’t a crime. They’re not saying they’re police/dvla/council so not breaking a law.
@@ShakeRattleRoll-yo3tr is coercion a crime
Police don't even issue parking fines. I work in a police service and have done for 7 years, never issued a parking fine ever, because they don't exist. Police can issue fixed penalty notices for dangerous parking, but often the car might just be removed instead of the owner isn't present to prevent a further obstruction or hazard. In any case a fixed penalty notice is different to a PCN and even the wording is different. Fixed penalty notices are usually issued in person to the driver, by the officer, and not "left on a windscreen".... since they need to confirm the person that they are issuing the FPN to is who they claim to be, and on the form there is a specific box that asks the officer to check the person's identity and expects the officer to write how this is verified "Driving license" "Passport" etc.
These companies go for the 'low hanging fruit', one of them tried bullying my elderly father who would probably of paid up without my intervention - he was unaware of the difference between a court bailiff and a commercial collection agency (which is something they commonly rely on). I didn't ignore them - my strategy was to repeatedly request evidence of the alleged debt, as well as the other paperwork described in these comments. Best of luck everyone!
OK, So you are going onto PRIVATE land right? cover your plates as you are on private land and the police can't do anything. uncover once you leave.
But if you're on private land you're not going to have a traffic warden giving tickets upon it
@@minigrande1939 WHAT? Really dude, he was talking about cameras clocking your plates. At what point does your brain come on????
@@IWANASLAPTHATBit of an overreaction, no?
If it's private land, with a NPR , my understanding is, that acquiring your reg details from the DVLA is a violation of data protection, acquired unlawfully from the DVLA who have also breached the legislation.
They must argue, the consent was acquired implicitly, which is like arguing the drunk naked girl who passed out agreed implicitly to you penetrating her.......
Which will still land you in jail!!!!!
@@paulparry6308 That's why some register their cars to a PO Box or abroad, and in farcical cases the Mayor of London.
NEVER dispute a PCN/FPN. Always write & ask for a copy of the contract signed by both parties showing you agreed to the Ts&Cs. Offer to pay when you receive a copy of the contract. They'll write back citing RTA1988. Write back & explain you're not disputing RTA1988 or the PCN. You simply require a copy of the contract for your records. You'll never hear from them again.
By parking in a restricted private area, a motorist can be considered to be agreeing to a contract with the landowner or car park operator, provided there is adequate signage warning of the charge. Failing to pay can be seen as a breach of contract and the car parking firm can take the motorist to court to recover their losses. However, I think for just a random parking ticket, in most cases it won't be worth the operators while to go all the way to court with it.
@NotInAsia Yeah the signs say you agree to the T&C simply by parking.
@@NotInAsia Okay. You jump through hoops & I'll continue to use a method that has never failed since 1997. You can consider unsigned contracts as being legally enforceable as much as want. If you want me to enter into a legally enforceable contract, you'll need my consent in the form of my signature on a legal contract.
@@thefoxhat6163 No, wrong. You can enter an agreement by a number of methods eg if you get on a train you enter into a contract for carriage to your destination, if you don't buy a ticket then you can be held in breach of contract and the train company can issue you with a fine.
@@thor654
Correct it's known in the legal framework as tacit consent.
I was one of thousands of other people that were mid-appeal as the Beavis case was going through court. Whilst my appeal sat with POPLA they advised they will be waiting for the outcome of that case before making a decision. With that loss for Beavis, I and thousands of others lost their appeal by default.
Unfortunately I was unaware of this as I had moved home twice in the time that case took to proceed, and only found out when trying to get a new rental agreement, and finding out from the Estate Agent that a CCJ had been placed against me, a good 4 years after the initial incident.
I see so many people state with authority that PCNs should be ignored; I've given up trying to convince them otherwise. That said, I still appeal every ticket I receive, if only to extend the 50% grace period, and waste their time a little bit more!
I live in a converted railway station, which is still a working line. My house (the old station building is converted into 3 town houses) is situated in the car park. 3 years ago a parking company took control of the car park, but wouldn't issue us with parking permits. Eventually, me and my neighbour (one neighbour doesn't drive) built up scores of parking notices. We have ignored every one, they stop writing after 6 months, and now the parking attendant doesn't even bother giving us tickets anymore!
Poor advice for the majority of drivers using land covered by PPC's. Google how to avoid paying the charge......there's plenty of advice available out there.....DON'T IGNORE.
@@raymondo6665 but the charges aren’t addressed to him, nothing can be addressed to him, existence is not something that is done by him
dead entity’s exist, corporations, the names on these letters, dead is not something which is him, letters therefore can not be acknowledged by him, opened by him, read by him, replied to by him.
@@raymondo6665 I'm just relating mine and my neighbours experience, that's all
@@nicholasknight9360 Understood and I wouldn't pay either. Just reminding others not to attempt the same tactics. Cheers.
If everyone stops paying they will not be able to take everyone to court
I have another set of plates in my boot that I may or may not use sometimes. I also have a cover on my VIN, nothing saying I have to display that. This country is just sickening at times, no freedom, nanny state with extortion as an economic model.
Great idea probably very illegal.problem is we do need parking restriction organisation otherwise people would just cause chaos.what I will say it's got way out of had .with anyone giving tickets or clamping than charging stupid interest
But now I'm a British chap living in Spain and a perfect example of why the UK has gone to pot (and it's nothing to do with immigration like you are led to believe)
In Spain there is no charge for parking in a hospital because noone is at a hospital for fun but in the UK they make serious profit from misery its sickening and wrong.
Police are under WEF control.
This is a self elected terrorist organisation.
People need to unite and resist now or pay later 2030 game over.
That's actually a very smart solution, as it's on private land you can put whatever plate you want on the car (like at a car show etc) and just remove once leaving the car park (or just after the ANPR camera anyway)
Spot on
Illegal migrant gangs are accepted at the border and instead of facing prison they are given housing and money.
I had the same thing happen in the first story, it took 2-3 years before it moved to court. Didn't hear for 2 years. It then reached the courts stage, I wasn't invited to attend court as the judge made the decision beforehand I had to pay which was £500ish due to interest etc. I did send in my evidence showing the lack of signage, the machine out of service/ vandalised etc, however this was ignored.
In that sort of case , where you were denied the opportunity to defend your case , you can go to the clerk of the court and ask for the judgement to be set aside , pointing out that you were denied justice ; this is a fairly simple process , which means the case has to start over .
I have my own parking bay leased to me as part of my property lease. I got one after someone parked a van across my own parking bay meaning i couldn't park and had to find a spot i could leave it until the owner left. Next morning it was gone, and within a few days I get a parking charge for 'being outside my allocated bay'.
I wrote to them to tell them why I was unable to park in my own bay and that I have a permit for it, but of course they ignore stating "The infraction still occurred".
I told them to take me to court and ignored them from them on out. After a few months of letters from various different 'dept collection' companies that were "taking over the case" they eventually gave up.
Years ago my car was outside my dads garage parked in the allocated space.
Garage was rented from the council
I was away in the forces
Council contractors moved the car to do some work.
They didn’t put it back
When I came back the car had gone
A letter from the council explained that as it was outside the allocated space it had been removed and crushed
It was an mgbgt
@@darrenelkins5923 i hope that you sued them for the car. Thanks for your service.
@@Tazz-Media
unfortunately they were very aggressive with their legal department, prob because they could throw as much council tax money at it as they desired . i had to backdown from taking it to small claims as I did not have the means at that time.
so i lost my car and the world lost an mgb-bt. although it wouldnt suprise me if somehow someone in the know saved it from the crusher and somehow adopted it.
As an aside, They were one of the first local councils in the UK to recently go bankrupt.
The important word you left out of your response was REJECT . When you reject an invoice , that is the end of it .
@@darrenelkins5923 So that was THEFT - they took your car without your permission and permanently deprived you of it .
In Scotland, with no effect from POFA, only the driver could be taken to court. If the owner doesnt identify the driver, or cant identify the driver, no court action is possible.
In Scotland I never communicate with private charge issuers and dont become scared by repeated heavily worded letters, which usually stop at number 7.
This has been my privelege for at least a decade
Correct, for now... Keeper's liability has now been put into legislation in Scotland but that section of the legislation isn't in force yet. Hopefully it never will, but the chances are that since it has been included, it will be enacted at some point. Thankfully it can't apply retrospectively though if and when it does come into force.
@@fuzzluvver69 I would like to find a way to make the group 'Vehicle Keepers' a protected minority. Then any action against us would now constitute a hate crime :)
@@fuzzluvver69struggling to get criminal cases to court never mind civil. It will cost Private Parking Companies more to take you to court for 1 PCN even if they get legislation through.
In addition , here in Scotland , no contract can be formed solely on the basis of signage .
I had a letter from a company 2.5 years after a violation. The odd thing was the location was a place we would have never been to. I called them and asked to prove by providing a photo of the vehicle on the day. They couldn’t and we never heard anymore about it.
I inadvertently 'ignored' one of these because I was out of the country for 3 months - which led to court summons, CCJ all without my knowledge. What can I do now that I have returned to this nightmare?
What i really love about these companies is how they use technology only for enforcement, and not for charging you the correct fee. With ANPR there is nothing stopping the company just logging you in and out and charging you accordingly. All you have to do is register with them. But no, many still require you to pay at a machine and then use the ANPR only to penalise you. I know some companies in the UK are finally starting to be a bit more consumer friendly in this regard, but it does feel like most would really rather screw you.
In much of the rest of europe this all works much better of course.
This technology is actually being used for this purpose by Q-Park in Ireland. I have registered a free account with Q-Park, and whenever I drive into one of their gated facilities, the gate opens automatically upon recognising my registration-plate, then automatically charges my Credit Card when I leave their facility, and the exit-gate also automatically opens when I approach it.
This is also being used in some open-air carparks in Norway without even needing to register. You just drive in to the carpark (the specific one that I know of isn't even gated), and when you're ready to leave you just type in your car registration on the machine and it'll tell you how much you must pay. If you don't pay before leaving, they'll start sending you letters.
@@KjellArvidHelgeneseth I live in Norway - we have quite a few car parks around here that do it. The airport being one of them.
@@15bit62 The one at Oslo Airport Gardermoen has a Rising Arm Barrier type of gate on the exit-lane, no? The one I was referring to is at Kongssenteret shopping-centre in Kongsvinger. There's no gate or barrier of any kind on any lane.
@@KjellArvidHelgeneseth I'm further north, in Trondheim. The airport here is Apcoa with drive-in, drive-out. No barriers. They will also send you a bill automatically if you are not registered.
Some of the local shopping centres are EasyPark with auto camera recognition and no barriers. Not sure if they auto-bill you.
ANPR should not be allowed to be used for civilian purposes, it's a law enforcement tool for police to see if someone has a licence or insurance etc. It was never intended to be used to make money for private companies; they should not be allowed access to the data 🤬
It's a long time ago, but I was parking in central London near Hyde park, and about half the meters had yellow out of order hoods over them. The spaces were all unoccupied, so I parked. Luckily for me a warden came over and told me that if it was out of order I could not park. How ridiculous is this, when parking spaces are in short supply.
They were hooded for a reason, perhaps roadworks were due.
@@stephen3654
Thanks for your reply. Makes sense if it was preparing for works or road cleaning. "Out of order" could also mean "out of service" I guess.
@@mikepetty3609 but if only half were covered I don't know, were people parked down there?
It was fairly random. Also, the fact that a warden was there suggests some mistake had been made. I was grateful that he told me, as he could easily have waited for me to go and given me a ticket. So I parked in a space with a working meter, feeding It to the maximum. When we came back nothing had changed. To be fair, this was about 20 years ago.
With reference to your video subject: Some give and take between enforcers and the public would be good. Particularly when the requirements seem illogical, and with no explanation.
I had one. I was getting a new windscreen fitted by A mobile outlet in the carpark. It took them 20 minutes over. Complained to auto glass and they resolved it.
The question I have is where do these for profit companies obtain your information? Surely the information is privileged? It's your private information you supply to the relevant registration authorities. You supply it to your insurers. Is not this information your private information? Who shares it with them and under what legislation? Thank you!!
I never thought of this. So true what an infringement of privacy and the corruption is off the scale!. They'd have to obtain that info via the dvla (government) so yet again suggests the government have their grubby hands in this "private Ltd companies" pie too
My son had a few years ago , he is disabled and felt ill whilst driving so stopped at his first opportunity in an empty dark car park for about 20mins , he never got out of the car and left as soon as he felt better he had letters and threats but ignored them all , they were told he was ill but still they pursued him , he was willing to go to court but heard no more .
What has being disabled got to do with these circumstances.
Feeling ill is also not a mitigating circumstance. After the 20 mins he could then have purchased a ticket.
Sounds like a legitimate fine to me
Since he never got out of the car , he was not parked . The legal definition of parking , as set out in case law specifies that you have to get out of the car and go away and leave it for an extended period .
@@omidamani3484 That is because you are un unkind person who does not know the law . The vehicle was not parked if the driver never left it . There is a legal definition of parking which specifies that the driver has to exit the vehicle and go away and leave it . This is set down in case law .
@@derekheeps1244 thank you.
You really helped prove my point in maybe a much more elegant way that the disability had no bearing on leaving or not leaving the vehicle. If the law is as you state it's all good and the disability wasn't required to be waved around.
Thanks for being kind
You say "... they can and very often do take people to court". That's not my experience. I and MANY people I know have had these, have ignored them (like your viewer) and they have always eventually gone away ... every time. I do not know of a single case (I've never even heard of one second hand) where it has been pursued. So while they may indeed have the RIGHT to chase you for payment and I'm not saying no-one has ever been pursued through the courts, for the overwhelmingly largest part, they don't. Hold your nerve people, even when in receipt of letters with bold type in red ink on the envelope, it'll go away.
I've been to court a number of times - you see what you focus on.
Ukpc and smart parking harassing the life out of me 😅😅😅
Depends entirely on the company. Some "can and do very often". Others never ever do court.
You are incorrect. Northampton bulking centre send out thousands of them.
@@BlackBeltBarrister That's very true. I only hear the stories about people NOT getting pursued while you're the flip side of that.
I got a PCN from Parkingeye at Holiday Inn - Heathrow Airport. Managed to get it cancelled as the holiday inn was useless and didn't give me any opportunity to pay the fee at the time of staying, despite me telling them I had parked and needed to pay, I just got shrugged off at check in and check out.
I've accumulated a handful of Parking Charge Notices over the years and always ignored them and the letters eventually stopped... with one exception. One time, despite me saying not to, my wife sent them an angry reply and then it ended up going to court. We settled in the end for a reduced amount to cover their admin costs.
What is the legal situation with the DVLA giving your details away without your permission. It's fine in my book for authorities, but not for some commercial outfit.
You don't half of what goes on between TFL, the DLVA, Capital and Siemen's offshoot, Yunex Traffic limited.
They've always done it i think. I remember as a kid the first piece of junk mail i ever received was for driving lessons, and it turned up just after i applied for my provisional license. That was the early 90's and they were obviously selling your info even then.
They are allowed as long as you can demonstrate "reasonable cause" for needing the data.
One way of demonstrating reasonable cause is a willingness to hand over £2.50.
Anyone can fill out a form and request the details of a car's registered keeper and send it off to DVA with a small fee.
This is designed to cover the likes of a road traffic collision but I'm not sure what checks they do to confirm the honesty of your claim, or if they advise the keeper of the car that you have asked for their details.
Sounds like a stalkers charter.
I think the form is a V888
If you do get a small claims summons you can usually counter sue for breach of gdpr / data protection. Some people win, others don't depends on the magistrate on the day.
My son ignored a charge notice and it went quiet after 12 months.....3 years later a court judgment and a fine of £400.
Presumably his ignoring persisted when he received a county court letter when that was the time to take action.
A lot of these comments border on the exaggerated or simply not possible. No company or individual can simply get a Judgment in this way. Your son has ignored the claim form. The only way to get a Judgment is by first filing a claim form upon which your son is given the opportunity to respond. He ignored it. That's on him.
I had one from a hospital years ago, I emailed saying I was not driving the car as I'd lent it a friend who's identity I was not able to disclose and I was abroad doing things I was not at liberty to discuss under the official secrets act. Never heard from them again.
I am a subscriber and I live in Scotland. I got 2 PCN tickets from 2 different car parks. I completely ignored the letters and threats of court and bailiffs letters etc for 2 years. Then they started again from another balling company for another 2 years. Then they stopped about 1 year ago and I’ve heard nothing since.
Could you please do a short video for your views on what happens up here and why it’s different than in England?
It would be very helpful sir.
I do love your varied content. Thanks a lot.
Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ... that's what allows parking companies to chase the registered keeper for any alleged breach of parking contract terms. (Most invoices, dressed up as PCNs, are issued through ANPR cameras reading the VRM of the vehicle, so said PCNs are sent to the registered keeper). Schedule 4 of PoFA does not (yet) apply in Scotland, so for existing PCNs the registered keeper can simply ignore everything (except a court claim) as only the driver is (potentially) liable for the invoice ... if the keeper doesn't tell them who the driver was then there's nothing they can do.
However, once the new Parking Code of Conduct Bill is brought into effect then Schedule 4 of PoFA will become effective in Scotland too. We can thank Nicola and her cronies for that. 🙄 It won't be retrospective though - it will only apply for any PCNs issued after the Bill comes into effect.
you can only be chased for 5 years here in scotland, BUT changing companies while chasing you should have raised a red flag as it may have been a new company trying to reclaim debt from their old one ( which is not allowed under scots law )
@@InBodWeTrust is there a date for this change in Scotland ?
@@chmarroften the next company to chase you is just a sub division of the original one
A group called British Parking Association claim to maintain fairness. Last year I looked them up on companies house and one of their senior officers also ran a leading parking charge company
Not very unusual, but would appealing to the BPA over a PCN issued by his [ZZPS] company be dealt with fairly ?
I doubt it
i had one from parking eye a few years ago and was reading through the small print and they said I was being prosecuted under some section of government law(can't remember more) I checked this and they changed quite a lot of the wording in it
I emailed them to ask why they had done this as surely you can't alter government documents. I never heard back from them about this or the charge notice
Once I parked my car in a multi story car park. I had payed for 2 hours parking yet I received a parking fine in the post. Apparently, I was supposed to enter my reg no into the parking meter but there was no option to do so. I put together a lot evidence including a screen shot of my bank statement and the parking receipt and sent it to them. After a few weeks, I received a letter in the post telling me they have cancelled the charge. I think its ridiculous how they are just giving out fines to people even if you park legally.
I've been given an automatic ccj no court summons no proof of liability. No court date. No name. The phone number is worse as no one answering the phone. Spoken to debt collection agency they have no documentation for me. They couldn't even give me contact information for the claimant. They are pursuing me for parking with disabled badge displayed. The other parking charge notice was for a paid ticket being authorised by the on site machine but low and behold They can't access the machine to check. Yet they have had numerous complaints from the public who have experienced the same issue but still harrass them for money not owed. The judicial system is being manipulated and abused. Joke absolute joke.
you automatically get a ccj if you ignore it for over 30days often people dont notice it until they try to apply for credit/mortgage/loan etc
It's just to scay you they do to get you to pay it needs to be stamped by a court
Was it that court in Northampton ? It doesn't even have a judge or a physical stand for you to make a representation. Shocking process.
@@petrosnemardos it was Northampton yes
@raydearie9805 I didn't ignore it I asked for all documentation and claims n stuff but never heard anything except call here call there
That’s very true, I’ve been fighting one for 5 years now, about 12 months between them swapping solicitors or collection agencies. Mine was for parking on a street when apparently it was a no parking area and managed by a parking company! No road markings and signage wasn’t clear at all.
Or you didn't look properly. Any other cars parked there when you chose to park there ? Never take that as an OK to park 😂
I was under the impression if there is no loss you can’t be sued for £ ! I never respond and file the dozens of letters in the bin and have never paid.
that impression is sadly incorrect. It is a breach of contract matter. The loss they have suffered is the defendants failure to make payment
@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere How can you have a contract if you have not had time to consider the terms? And where is the evidence that you agreed to the terms? Putting up a sign does not create a contract and neither does using a public space to conduct business with a third party.
@@ncs4529 because G Unit pimping baby yall don't know
I don’t know about public places but I’m certain that by simply parking in a private car park you are agreeing to the terms imposed. I got a ticket for parking in a visitor bay whilst visiting my girlfriend who was a tenant on the land, I got the ticket because I wasn’t displaying a permit, I contested it, they rejected my argument because I was aware that I had to display a permit as per the signage, I contested it to a third party and got it revoked because the parking attendant used a flash when taking a picture of the sign at night, the third party appeal company deemed that there wasn’t any evidence to show that the sign was readable at night! 😅 dodged a bullet there.
There is a loss. The space you’ve occupied with your vehicle hasn’t earned the fee applicable for the parked vehicle whereas if the fee had been paid there’s no loss, thus your understanding would mean they are entitled to pursue a claim.
Thank you BBB
I noticed that there was no mention of mediation…. I was chased for nearly two years after overstaying in a Starbucks car park and given the option of sorting it out in court or going to mediation…. I opted for mediation and in the end avoided a CCJ
They have up to 6 years to issue a CCJ from the date of the debt, so after 2 years of waiting, you still aren't "clear" for another 4 years. After those 6 years debt usually becomes "Statute barred" and usually cannot be enforced, especially in cases where no contact is made with the claimant company at all.
Also, people wrongly assume that with these, like speeding tickets, it's down to them to request "Who was driving", actually it isn't and the liability is with the registered keeper, for parking tickets or fines.
With all the GDPR regulations, why are the DVLA allowed to give your name and address out???
Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002
The legislation that allows this came along well before GDPR, most people don't even know what it is and think it's been around forever.
How is the DVLA allowed to break data protection to send our names and addresses to these private companies? Can you explain how its a not data protection breach? I havent given my permission to pass my data on and i dont want it passing on either
He has covered it one of his previous videos there's some law that allows them to do it, which he tried to use to get the details from the person that scratched his car which is should be covered in the law also. (spoiler ..... Access was denied which is more of a concern as it comes across this law is only for private car parking companies to make use off)
Delivery is only completed upon the person opening the package, not when it's thrown at them.
If you never open the envelope [or notice] then the "request" was never received.
If you know that the parking company operates on behalf of your landlord, or landlord's property manager, you can likely get it removed through them too.
I was subject to 3 PCNs for parking in a space I was told was free to all tenants, I even had been given an access code to this car park by the maintenance guy who my landlord had pointed me towards.
I paid one (in my naivety) and then appealed the other 2 through the company's internal appeals process, both appeals were (unsurprisingly) denied.
Finally after getting the bailiff letter I rang my landlord who said it's not the first time he's heard about it. To my understanding he went back and complained to the property manager who contacted the company, who then overturned the outstanding notices. They never refunded me for the first notice I paid, despite the PCN being wrongful.
Used to ignore these up until about 2016 then all of a sudden every one took me to court. In one instance the firm of solicitors they used acted for me to have my CCJ removed / set aside. During the time it was active my credit rating tanked. Luckly i wasnt getting a new car or messing about with the mortgage at that time
I no longer ignore them.
What happens if someone randomly walks past and removes my parking fine off my windscreen before i come back to the car and i know nothing about it until im chased by the parking firm a few weeks later?
They typically have cameras. We got sent a timestamped photo of our car leaving the parking area, so we couldn't argue over having been 15 minutes late. We still ignored the notice, however, as private companies have no power to enforce the charge, only a local authority can do that. So they would have to take you to the small claims court, which they almost never do, because if there was ever a single case of a judge finding in favour of the defendant, that would set a legal precedent, effectively destroying their entire business model.
here in NSW Australia our shopping malls with multi storey parking even those that just have one floor have a camera that reads your car number plate & notes the time of arrival. you can get 2 or 3 hours parking for free, when you exit the carpark the boom gates will open if you are within the allotted time. if boom gates don't open because you over stayed your allotted time next to the boom gates is a stand were you input your rego of your vehicle & it will tell you exactly how much time you have over stayed & how much. swipe your visa or debit card to make payment..
A few weeks ago, members of the council knocked on my door during a working day. They said they wish to trim the tree in front of my house (no prior notice given) and that I should remove my car from the driveway. So I had to find a parking spot between two meetings, no free spot on my street except in the areas where parking needed a residence permit. Since I had no alternative, I parked my car for half an hour and received a penalty notice within five minutes. I contested it on the grounds that the council asked me to move my car without prior notice which they obviously rejected (completely ignoring that it was the council who caused me to move my car). From now on, I will never collaborate with a council member again.
The registered keeper of my car does not exist. I have around 30 private unpaid tickets. Good luck with them recouping the fines. However, I have paid some if the amount they ask is £30 or under as it's fair. But when they ask for a lot, I just ignore it.
If the fine is from a council, local authority, TFL, or the Police you must pay it as you can be pulled over for it.
so your insurance cover is void, then.
There's no such thing as a high court bailiff, they are a private firm contracted to work for the court
If they say they are from the High Court, demand they show you their Ministry of Justice ID badge. They will then backtrack and say they have been instructed by the High Court. You then say, ‘So you’re just some simpleton that gets a bonus for collecting on debts, not quite as impressive as being a High Court official IS IT!- how sad and pathetic that you have to lie to feel good about yourself’.
I got robbed recently, they toed my car away down my street. I had to pay over £260 to get it back. It was very dark and the way I drove in the sign on my side of the road was facing the other way so I didn't see it. I showed them proof of all of this, but they still refused to give me my money back.
Your call to action to subscribe got me, I was, until now, one of the 60-70%, been following you on TikTok for ages though.
What If your a broke student in a new city and get tickets for parking outside your own flat as there is no parking provided by the flats nor a permit possible to obtain and you have no money to pay the 7 tickets you have? 👀 am I going to prison for parking tickets???
Not if they can't find you .
I remember that before 2012, the parking company had to claim off the driver, not the registered keeper of the vehicle. The thing is, the registered keeper was under no legal obligation to identify the driver...
isn't that still the case? They obviously obtain the registered keepers details but the burden of proof is to prove that the keeper was also the driver. It's a breach of contract matter. They have to be able to prove you were the driver. Ergo, if the keeper says that they weren't driving at the time of alleged offence, then I see no way the parking company can succeed with a breach of contract allegation.
I'm getting fines for a vehicle I sold in 2020 from a city council over 200 miles away. Ive informed them that I do not own the vehicle and sent them a copy of the yellow part of the v5c with the new keeper details on it and they will not accept this as proof.
I have been in contact with the dvla and the have confirmed over the phone I am not the registered keeper so I should not be receiving pcn's, but getting it in writing seems impossible. I've been promised letters showing proof I'm not the registered keeper multiple times and I've received nothing.
I now have 3 days left before the council apply for a ccj. Looks like I'm going to have to pay.
I've seen council parking attendants slapping tickets on every single car outside a fund raising event on a bank holiday! On an industrial estate! 😒🤔
I ignored them, you get a letter reminder for full payment. then later threatening court letters
Always carry some gaffer tape in your car. Drive in the car park, if you go over the time allowed, cover your reg plate with tape, drive out and past the camera, then remove the tape. That way the camera gets you going in, but cannot prove when you left.
Well, I'd be careful.
Contractual penalties shouldn't be enforceable, but the courts created a special enforceable type that only applies to parking.
A defence to criminal damage applies to every form of property, except wheel clamps, thanks to the courts.
No doubt this could be made to fit some dishonesty offence it doesn't easily fit.
Done this several times!
Hmm... Driving a car on a public road with a registration plate with an obscured number? That doesn't seem so clever to me.
Good advice. I also carry a balaclava so I can put it over my face when I leave the shop instead of paying for things I buy. What do you do for a living? Do you mind people not paying? If you don’t; good for you. If you do, you are a f£@&ing hypocrite. You don’t like the rule, don’t park there you self entitled ….
Why not pay the charge that is owed? Just curious.
Same thing happened to my flat mate. We used to live in some flats that didn’t have parking, but there was a car park next to the flats. He would get a pay and display ticket, but sometimes he would forget, or was late. Turns out he had about 15 tickets, didn’t pay a single one. Got hassled by the company to the point that he threatened them with harassment claim, and they went away and left him alone! 😅
There is this current case in New Zealand where a very naughty parking "monitoring" company was hired to put cameras up in locations... One of them was in my town at a "to go" coffee cart. Then, the outsourced company with the cameras proceeded to ping everyone stopping for coffee. I say stopping, but it was drive-through style. Most patrons were not actually "parking". Big write up in the papers... Camera guy told media to stuff off in not so polite terms. Case is on-going(legally) and has obviously hurt the coffee cart business significantly. However, in the process of looking at articles online I found that in New Zealand you can tell the LTSA(Land Transport) that you do not want any private companies looking up your contact details from your plate. By doing this they simply cannot ever send you a parking charge. They would HAVE to get a court order first. They NEVER bother.
I tried this successfully for a few years. Then, a couple of years ago, I overstayed by (literally) a couple of minutes in a small, privately owned seaside car park. Same thing, ignored all the letters. Finally, after about 8 months, I received a CCJ from the courts themselves. I paid this inflated cost immediately (I always said I'd pay anything 'official' as a cost of doing business, if that makes sense). So, be aware, the landscape seems to be changing on this. Also be aware that if you do receive a CCJ, if you pay it within the timescale (28 days?), it doesn't go on your credit file. If, however, you choose to set up a payment plan, it DOES go on your file as a CCJ.
Go to visit someone in hospital and you pay for parking, visit a doctor and you pay for parking, go to London and you pay for parking, it’s time to move to a different country!
Parking revenue and levies contribute largely to the UK economy. Just look at the statistics!
@@shabanatasleem3532 economy is when you steel from other countries, which you often do, economy is not when you steel from your own citizens
I had one for parking my bike next to a wall in a retail park (away from services, entrances, exits and not blocking any pathways). Their sign said "All vehicles must be parked in 'their' allocated spots" which I took to mean "bikes aren't allowed in car spots" so I parked somewhere unobtrusive. They tried to get £150 out of me but I contacted the CEO's of every shop in the retail park who got it quashed for me.
I've heard expanding foam really messes up pay and display points though.
I've had the same experience. I ignored all correspondence and after 2 years they stopped. Liklihood its not worth there effort
In the past six years or so I've had four of these and have dealt with them all in the same way: I respond to the letters asking them to demonstrate the applicability of the legal principles they're relying upon to enforce the charge before I can consider the notices further. I simply get automated letters back that don't address any of my queries. So I write back asking them to address the queries in my first letter. To which I get an automated reply back which is identical to the previous. I maintain this back and forth for about a year - totalling around four letters, which they eventually escalate to bogus bailiffs letters, before they cease communicating and it fizzles out. I find this method enables me to have a paper trail showing that I tried to resolve queries about the dispute and that they failed to cooperate. None of the notices I've had has ever escalated beyond letter threats.
Or save yourself the hassle and ignore them from the get go.
My view is that in the small chance that one of these claims ends up in court my paper trail demonstrates a reasonable attempt to engage and to understand and to resolve the allegation. The letters I issue are copy-and-paste from previous claims so they only take a few minutes to compile. I believe it's worth the time to have them to fall back on.
@@ronaldaddison2146 I've ignored everyone I've ever had, and they always give up. It costs too much to take you to court. They're just betting on enough of a percentage of those issued, with their intimidating speil, to be paid.
BBB, off topic I know but would you consider covering the story in the DM today about a photography company "Cornwall-based Tempest Photography" offering to edit out "disabled" children from school photographs, is this not disability discrimination ?
I have one from cpm. There was no signs or road markings. They ignored my emails and my appeal, they sent me to debt collectors which screamed at me and hung up the phone several times. 16 months went by, i heard nothing. I them got an email from solicitors..saying they will send me a court date if i dont pay immediately. I ignored this. Its been another year..and i got nothing.
Thank you. My situation is a little complicated but thank you.
Just ignore them, in Scotland. Any alleged contract is between the driver and the landowner. However, as there is no legal requirement for the owner to identify anyone as POFA doesn't exist.
Sadly a Conservative MSP wants the law changed to English system, wonder if he owns shares/brown envelopes from begging/parking companies.
I've had a few. In my cases I ignored them completely. Once you start talking to them, you're lost- so don't enter into correspondence. In my cases, they just stopped sending letters after a while.
Don't take this 🤡's word that it will be the same for you.
Whys he a clown. It was in his cases?? PILLOCK
Same here.
What about clean air zones tickets? Can you ignore those?
Yup same here, threats threats and more threats but they won't do anything unless you start responding
In my case (Scotland) I recently got a parking notice and, rather than put up with the hassle they give you, I called them and got it reduced from £60 to £20.
Maybe I could’ve paid nothing, but to avoid the stress…..
I'm sure that in a previous video he said that contract law had a part to play in this, in that by parking in a car park you are agreeing to their terms and conditions, which can be hard to fight providing they are clearly displayed and deemed to be fair.
Depends entirely on the parking company.
Overall, 90% of tickets will go nowhere after the usual threatograms and debt collection letters.
There are companies that never ever take anyone to court.
There are ones that sometimes do court, but not often.
And there are the ones that are very litigious, even though they lose money out of the process, they can afford to use the courts as letter writing excercise and as a means to scare others into paying.
So it's all quite blurry, but the litigious ones (mostly one company in particular) are the reason it's difficult to say "simply ignore" to every one.
Do your research and you'll discover how and when "just ignore" IS the right advice and when it isn't.
Name of the ‘one company in particular’?
DO NOT (as stated in this video) make any appeals to the Parking Management Company. Private Parking Appeals are made to POPLA (if PPC is a BPA member) or to the Independent Appeals Service if the PPC is an IPC member. Appealing to the PPC itself is like asking them if they don't really want your money.....of course they do.
Do not appeal anything - REJECT all spurious invoices - do not confer any authority on others to decide by entering into 'appeals' which is you allowing them to make a decision .
About 2017 I recieved a ticket for parking on a quiet side street on a sunday morning for 10 minutes while i ran into my office to grab some papers. I was furious as the parkibg attendant had clearly been lurking. I ignored the fine. Never received a letter nor any follow up. I checked my license not long ago and had no marks against me. I still don't know what to make of it.
very good educational video. thank-you. I was caught out by a parking eye car park recently and appealed by apologising (I was in the wrong) and explaining my personal circumstances in detail. parking eye initially reduced the charge from £100 to £20 and after further appeal did very kindly accept my plea to have the charge cancelled. I was impressed that parking eye behaved so kindly. My friend also got caught and paid the £100 fee immediately.
I've had quite a few parking eye tickets in the last 12 months, always while working on site. Every appeal was immediately accepted, whereas a couple of other companies have kept trying their luck.
I actually enjoy it as they are potentially racking a bill up for themselves, and there is simply zero chance they'll see a penny out of me or my employer.
I had a run-in with a private parking company, which I let unfold right up until the point they had registered the case with the local court and set a date. It got to about 2 weeks before the date of the hearing, and the company in question pulled out. I had looked at previous cases where the best outcome the parking company could hope for was to be awarded the original price of the charge (£50-£100) as to my knowledge, no judge has actually awarded one of these companies the inflated total that the ticket ends up reaching through inaction.
In this type of court also, even if you lose the case they are unable to recoup any legal fees or expenses, bar the cost of registering the case with the court (around £35 i beleive). So realistically, the best they could hope to get out of me via court ruling was around £135 best case. When you compare this with how much it would cost in legal representation for them, it becomes clear as to why they did not go through wirh the hearing. It doesn't make financial sense for the parking company with solicitor fees etc.
that's a good point however a colleague of mine used to work for a parking company. She was not a Solicitor but she and her colleagues roles was to go to Court and effectively do the legal work. She'd win a lot of these claims too. So not all parking companies will back off, they'll just send their lowly paid underlings to do their best at court instead.
@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere I didn't realise just any old bod could represent in court. They must have all been booked up on my day in question lol. I live in Cornwall too so that may have been a factor
Useful information. I also had a ccj for an unpaid notice that I challenged. Parking eye left it until the actual court hearing day but failed to attend😊. Currently waiting for another two ccj cases so fingers crossed🤞
@@brookseyladalex4142 a CCJ means County Court Judgment. The operative word being Judgment. If your opponent didn't show up then it's not possible they obtained a Judgment against you. Are you sure you aren't confusing CCJ with a County Court Summons? Every Defendant gets the opportunity to respond to the claim before a CCJ is obtained, so I really can't see how you would have a CCJ unless you ignored the Claim Form at the outset of the claim?