Can Lower Belts Have Their Own School? BJJF Teacher Belt Ban - Kama Vlog
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One of my father’s favorite sayings when it came to teaching a skill to people with less knowledge than you - “You don’t have to know the whole book. You just have to be one chapter ahead of everyone else.’
Except if the material in the later chapters are key to summing up or understanding all the previous chapters. Then, you have what we have today.
My instructor in the small town that i live in opened his Gracie Jujitsu school as a blue belt 7-8 years ago, regularly went back and forth to the academy in Torrance, is now a Brown belt and i thank god every day that he had the courage to quit his job as a computer engineer to give us this opportunity to learn the Gracie way.
Had to add this comment to support lovers of the art who want to open an academy in a town without Jujitsu but done the right way under the Gracie wing. Love all you videos. Thank you.
kanenas same here where I live. Not a small town but no Gracie program 5 yrs ago. My 2 instructors started in their garage and after getting blue belts thru Gracie University Went to Torance and began their instructor training. Got their brown and purple belts and have a certified CTC now. Only one here. Most of the others do it as sport or MMA. I wanted self defense and this worked best for me. They are great instructors and are really starting to grow in the last year or so.
Good thing is that all belt promotions get sent by video to the Gracie's and they officially promote the student. Our lead instructor makes sure your more than ready before u test. He will not give out blue belt and above until he is a black belt. Hence a proper series of checks and balances.
Same here, there are very very few black belts in the Netherlands. Often you see blue/purple belts train but they don't really run a gym as a teacher. Its more like he/she just trains under a blackbelt and then shares that with the group. They are basically all just learning from what the blue/purple belt got taught. I think that is the best solution to a crappy situation.
Same here. My area has 1 black belt and he runs his school like a business. The best option here is a brown belt coach and he is awesome.
My situation: I'm a purple belt who has been training BJJ for over 18 years. Because of some poor school choices and other factors beyond my control it has taken me this long to reach purple belt. I run my own school under the blessing of a 3rd degree black belt. The only other BJJ school for miles has a black belt instructor but he is one of those guys that if you don't fit into his boys club and social status you don't ever get promoted or even receive decent instruction. I only charge $65 per month for 2 classes per week plus open mat. He charges $125 per month. I get the students who just can't afford his rates as well as the ones who are tired of just being used as a punching bag at his school. I have turned out 5 good blue belts so far (they have to actually test under my professor when I bring him down) So I guess in a perfect world only black belts teach. But this is jiu-jitsu and a blue belt equals or exceeds a black belt in most other martial arts. Also time on the mats counts for something as does teaching ability. I started training in 2000 under a 4 stripe blue belt because there were only a handful of black belts in the country at that time.
This is great! As long as your heart is in the right place and you’re consulting with a Black belt. I don’t see the issue
My proferssor passed away 2 months ago. I was awarded my black belt at a seminar shortly after this. He had it planned before he passed, and i never knew. And never got the chance to thank him.
I am now left to run our club. I wont say it is easy, because i am terrified every day when i walk through the door. I just hope i can live up to his expectations.
Great video, thank you loads.
In the military having to teach others is part of your training, because having to teach whatever it is makes you better at that thing.
But that’s not the case in BJJ because most instructors are egomaniacs who see teaching as their right and their right only. Several black belts from prominent masters have told me they weren’t taught to teach and were pushed out of the academy once they became a black belt and asked to teach. Think “non-compete” agreements...
Funny you mention Leach. One of his assistants coaches a local team and has done tremendously well in turning around his program.
@@KamaJiuJitsu that sounds really far fetched and probably very rare
My instructor is a purple belt but he has 20 years of wrestling coaching experience and I believe I have learned a lot from him not in wrestling but in jiu jitsu. The way he teaches is very detailed and technique oriented and I believe him to be a great instructor.
I started my Jiu-Jitsu journey at a Gracie University CTC and the instructor was a blue belt. Their “Combatives” curriculum is awesome and I would not have started Jiu-Jitsu if it wasn’t for that particular methodology to teaching. The instructors were great and extremely detailed oriented. I’ve been to LA a few times to train at the Academy in Torrence and I can absolutely assure you that the lessons that were taught, as they are outlined in the pre-blue belt curriculum, that they promote are the exact same as I learned at the Queens New York CTC. The classes taught in LA were of coarse all led by black belts. I also went to a class at Ryron’s branch of the Academy in Beverly Hills (the class that I took was taught by Ryron) and I had the same experience. The confidence and experience of the black belts came through but the details of the Americana as taught in the various schools is the same methodically detailed submission. I carry that experience still with me now that I am at another school and I’m glad I started in an exclusively self defense environment.
My black belt instructor closed up shop during the pandemic, leaving us without bjj in a small town. Couple of guys started rolling in my basement, and after a few months we opened a legit gym in town. We do have a black belt instructor, as well as an affiliation with a black belt a few hours away. But the black belts did not open the gym and don’t own it.
We are fortunate to have a black belt, a few brown belts, and a few purple belts instructing our classes. In our situation, it was either open a gym or watch it die in our town. I’m very thankful for the purple belts that put it together with me.
Whenever I try to digest and understand concepts in martial arts, I like to analyze it in the context of the only thing I'm a black belt in: software development. There are usually some parallels to be drawn, and this is no exception:
When I was in school getting my computer science degree, I was leagues ahead of most other people going into the same program. My school had a tutoring program, and I had to get written permission from my professor. I liken this to having been a purple belt coder in a school of white belts. I wasn't qualified to be a professor, but I could certainly tutor those who were just beginning to learn the art. I gained so much in terms of fundamentals, because everyone there had a different style of learning that I had to adapt to in order to teach effectively. I also learned from another "purple belt" while I was there tutoring and eventually took some of his students when he graduated.
My point is that these students still had access to the black belt, but I was able to teach them some things based on my own aptitude. I was not the one deciding what the curriculum was, and I was not the one deciding what their grade would be. I was just a tutor because I happened to grasp the complex concepts that they might have been struggling with. That experience was invaluable for me, also, since I got to practice teaching concepts and was stretching my own understanding every single day. Now I am a lead software developer with a small team, and many years of practical experience.
I hope some day to mirror that process with Jiu Jitsu, being allowed to mentor/tutor a few people here and there under the guidance of my professor, but I have a long way to go until then.
And that's the real thing about teaching.
The most important message is at the end "just train."
Good video. I think the other distinction, and some of the other posters have commented on it, is if the Black Belt who is hear you is teaching a different style of Jiu-Jitsu than you want to learn. For example, if you are after the original GJJ for the self-defense aspect, than going to a purely competition school, even one that is run by a solid black belt, may not be for you. However, someone who is a purple belt under Gracie Academy, or perhaps studied somewhere else and then had to move for his job, etc. might be your best option.
A Cross and Grunt Style shirt, awesome! Thank you for addressing this.
I appreciate your input and summary on this subject
Thanks, Mike!
I’m opening and plan to open under the blessing of my association and my black belt.
I currently teach self defense and Combatives and being blessed enough to have 15 years experience in teaching. (Thank you Army) that I implement during my class on Saturday’s. But only after receiving my teachers blessing. I agree 100% teaching is a separate art on its own, and it’s taking me years to perfect my own effective style.
Good luck with that, mi amigo. Let me know how I can help you. Ryan.
I started training martial arts in 1973, teaching for many years .Started teaching Bjj as a Blue belt early 2000 my kids wore karate gi's to compete. We did very well!
Great Video!
There are a few black belt led schools in my area, all of which are competition focused schools. One of them is even a world champion 3 or 4 degree black belt.
I trained at the aforementioned champions school for several months, and I was not much better when I left than when I arrived. They had beginners classes and advanced. I would often attend both the same evening. Not one time did the professor correct/help/otherwise address me while drilling or sparring. Classmates were great guys to be around, but I was largely a living grappling dummy for them. I finally quit training because of life circumstances.
A year or so later a GA CTC ran by a blue belt opened in my area. I was skeptical about a blue belt run school, but decided to give it a try since the GA is self defense focused. Without question, time vs time, I learned so much more from the blue belt then I did the black belt. I have been here for almost 2 years now, and I believe it is the best decision I made for my jiu jitsu journey.
I have considered the differences many times, and this is what I have concluded:
1. Smaller classes, so more attention from the instructor.
2. A true beginners program designed to teach from the ground up.
3. The techniques are broken down and taught is a very clear and concise manner. (Keep it simple stupid)
4. No rolling/sparring until you have finished the beginners program. - I had mixed feelings about this at first. I had been exposed to rolling previously and I craved it again, but when I did start rolling in the advanced class I had many more tools in my tool box, and I could better understand what the opponent would need to do to advance their position or submit, so I could better defend.
I also wanted to say thank you for the videos.
I’m glad I started at a Gracie Academy CTC too. I moved so I had to give up my membership. I go to a great school now with black belt instructors and the lessons and details that I learned at the CTC are still with me and are my ground work for my Jiu-Jitsu. Rener and Ryron did an amazing job of breaking everything down and creating a solid beginners foundation.
You’re welcome!
Exactly! I learned more rolling in my garage doing GU than I ever did in a bjj gym under black belts.
Really love these videos from Kama Jiu-Jitsu. From what I’m seeing in the comments and from what I personally experienced training at a Gracie Brothers CTC, they really work hard to control the quality and structure of the curriculum. At other schools I’ve trained at it was a free for all. That structure is self defense centric and ensures that you develop a strong foundation no matter what belt your instructor is at. To be truthfully honest I live in an area where I have a vast array of schools to choose from. I chose the CTC run by a purple belt at that time because I knew he had had specific teaching training and the curriculum was controlled by Torrance Academy.
Black belt to teach? Eddie Bravo was a brown belt when he tapped Royler...he got his black belt afterwards. The achievement towards BJJ learning/fighting is different than the ability to teach, the belt colour shouldn't matter. For further clarification: czcams.com/video/cVQC-fyF5-c/video.html
It's a few months late, but... Mike Ditka won a Superbowl as a player with the Cowboys after the 71 season and as the head coach of the Bears after the 85 season, he also got an old school NFL championship with the Bears after the 63 season. Also Tom Flores won as a player with the Chiefs after the 69 season and two as head coach of the Raiders after 80, 83
Professor Ryan, I can see it both ways. I am stationed in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba and we have a club (not a school). The club was originally started by two black belts, but both have transferred, we had a purple belt that taught us some great stuff and now it is run by blue belts. What I can say is the smartest thing we have done was affiliated under Master Luiz Palhares out of Jacksonville so he checks in on us regularly and comes to do seminars 1-2 times a year. As far as the remote location goes, I think we have it lol. The way our teaching works is if you have something to teach then volunteer it, I am by no means an expert and with everyone taking turns teaching then we all benefit from it. Thank you for the video!
Thank you for your service! I have a Relson Assn purple belt friend who is retired Airborne who (i think) trained at Guantanamo, as well.
PM us on our FB page at Kama Jiu-Jitsu and let's see how we can get one or more of the Kama Jiu-Jitsu black belts out to share some stuff with you guys! We would LOVE the opportunity to serve you who serve for our country!
The instructor at my school is a brown belt. Hes a student of Josef Manuel, a black belt under Robson Moura.
I recently started training and made the hard choice of going to a black belt run school that did no self defence or a brown belt run Humaita school that's very heavy on self defence. Though I felt like learning from a black belt is the better route it didn't matter if they weren't going to teach anything I was wanting to learn
Another great Video!.... This subject /article was posted on Reddit and people lost their minds! What they fail to realize is that the decisions/ announcements made by this one organization ( which in retrospect only affects the schools they run in one state of Brazil) has about as much control of BJJ world-wide as I do,,, NONE.
Well to be certified in that organization you got to meet their standards. Anyone can open up a school and "teach" whatever it's not a crime.
I moved from Brazil to Scotland, and here we don't have many black belts around, so I am more than happy training with a couple of purple belts. I agree with you, if you live in a big city, you should find a black belt, however if you live in a rural area (like me) it is okay to practice with lower belts. We do have a black belt that comes from England every several weeks to help, supervise and grade the students. Nice video, congrats!
do what you can, wherever you are. nice job!
Awesome video of you guys put out great content! I'm curious to know your opinion on white belts teaching kids classes
never done here. can't speak for anyone else's school.
Kama Jiu-Jitsu
Thanks for answering back! I wondering more your thoughts on the idea.im a white belt and see what you mean, teaching is its own art and different than just doing.wish you guys the best.
I trained at a local bjj academy for a year and a half in the beginning. They had 2-3 black belts. I didn’t feel like I was learning that much. I even had to start buying a bunch of bjj books to supplement my training there. I started learning from Gracie University at that time and eventually quit that bjj gym. I have been doing Gracie University ever since. There were and are a lot of black belts here but none could give me the type of jiu-jitsu I wanted which was the self defense focus. If I felt like I could get the jiu-jitsu I wanted from these local black belts, I’d be training with them. But I can’t, so I don’t. I was skeptical at first too about GU back in 2009 but it turned out to be the best decision for me. They teach it so well that as long as you stick to their curriculum, you can learn it just as well as being in a gym. Really, there’s not much difference rolling in your garage or in a gym other than you have more people to roll with in a gym. Just because an instructor is there with you on the mats doesn’t mean they are keeping tabs on your every move. It’s impossible. Even in gyms, there is an element of learning on your own and helping your partner. Also, when I roll with people in gyms, I hold my own with browns and black belts. I’m a brown belt now myself. Learning online takes a special type of person. You have to be detailed oriented and disciplined. I’m both, so it has worked out for me. But can a lower belt teach jiu-jitsu? Of course! Better than black belts sometimes.
we only have a black and brown teaching and a purple for assistant
My friend Marcelo started teaching alongside our former teacher at Brown belt without a red bar idk if he has red bar now
I only instruct classes I'm a full instructor in (aka a "5th degree" equivalent black belt)... which is JKD/Kali under both Vunak and Inosanto. Interesting fact though... Paul vunak requires at least a purple belt rank in bjj or higher in order to be a full instructor in Vunaks organization (PFS). Which goes to show how important bjj is to Vu in general! But I will still be rolling under a black belt until my dying days haha
So I’m currently enrolled in a tournament style BJJ school, since that’s the only one in my town other than a MMA gym, who only teaches maybe once a week. I’m not really interested in the competition part of it, what should I focus on for the self defense aspect? Mind you the person who runs the school is a brown belt, but we have black belts come down from 45 minutes away to teach as well not every night though.
I'm in Tucson and train sport at an MMA gym, I do gracie university online for self defense with my family, there are over 20 sport gyms in the Tucson metro area some affiliations having multiple locations, but zero self defense gracie jiujitsu. As my passion for self defense grows, I contemplate following the Gracie University CTC model. Do you think this scenario would be appropriate given the lack of self defense in my city?
I have L5 bulge disk should i stay a way from slams or all of it? I know u are original bjj rickson graci style whos my ideal but what do u think about eddy bravo no gi he did tapout royer gracy at a brown belt
Theres a 5 stripe blue belt in my town teaching (keep in mind hes also a 5th degree black belt TKD and is a stickler for BASICS BASICS BASICS till the bloody cows come home )
Could they yes should they no. My start was sorta like this. A coworker and I started doing combatives at the house cause there was no self defense Bjj peeps in town. There was 2 sport blk blt in town but that is not what I was looking for nor did I care for the attitude or school. So after a few months of training at the house another guy opened up said he did self defense bjj. So I said I'l give you a try for 6mths and told him up front what I was looking for. We agreed and started from there. After about 4mths only talked about getting hit 2ce I started looking around again. A Pedro Sauer seminar was close so I went to that where I met my current instructor that was getting ready to open a school in my town. Tried a few of his classes like them told him I had 2mths left at my other school then I'd be there full time. 4+ yrs later still there.
What about a purple belt that opens a school but has a great business mindset? Then he hires a black belt to teach who doesn't have the acumen to open his own school and keep it afloat? Then the purple did open their own school, but a black belt is running the program.
Joe Valtelini is a rare exception of a great fighter and a great coach
Entering any school not under the main teacher's school even if your a black belt from another school in same style you are a white belt in the new person's school of said system or style. Unless the complete system has same name you usually are reduced to white belt.
There are so many "schools" opened by Purple and Blue Belts in The Philippines.
I asked a question, but you answered it as the video progressed. “Paciência”
And here’s a really tricky question for you: if there are two instructors in town, one is a black belt under a strictly sport jiujitsu school, not even MMA, and one is a purple from a self defense school, which would you choose.
The black belt because he has a comprehension of the basics in BJJ. He may teach "sport" jiu-jitsu but that doesn't mean he doesn't know self defense.
cabalofdemons but he only teaches sport. That was the stipulation.
And here’s a question right back accurate. Which style do I want to learn? In your hypothetical, that is.
Believe it or not, many black belts don’t know self-defense.
Hi, I don't have a belt yet, but I have watched many of your vids plus I subscribe to Chew.
My question is, can I open my own BJJ school?
I watched the Karate Kid back in the day and a bootleg video of Enter the Dragon some time in 1987.
Hey Ryan, I’ve been watching your videos for a long time and been enjoying them. But I’m in a hard situation here. I first started Jiu Jitsu in Tampa, under Marcio Cruz. It was a great, high quality, experience, however I was only down there visiting for a few weeks visiting my girl friend’s family and her brother in law brought me out. I always had wanted to try It, and then when I did I absolutely fell in love.... however, now that I’m back home in Upstate New York, there’s no real Jiu Jitsu places unless I drive 2 hours, or go across the border to Canada! The only “school” near me is much more like a get together with some drilling ran by a Purple belt. He’s a great guy, and actually very talented, he spent a lot of time learning submission fighting and no Gi before he started his Gi training, and that’s mostly the only reason why he is only a purple belt.
So I guess the question is, should I be happy to have this smaller group to roll with, or should I be looking for supplements to my Jiu Jitsu?
Are you near Albany? Try Prof Eddie Fyvie’s studio. Tell him I sent you! facebook.com/EFJJA/
Kama Jiu-Jitsu sadly, I don’t live anywhere near Albany. I’m 4 hours north of Albany in the Potsdam NY area...
I would pick a professor that you want to learn under. Then, periodically make trips to see that professor to be given training assignments. Then, drill them with your current training partners to develop your skills. It’ll take a little while longer to progress, but if you’re disciplined, you’ll be fine.
Kama Jiu-Jitsu sounds like a good plan, thank you very much 👍
Ive seen rich guys at blu belt own school butbtheybwere not head professor i would never tell a student in gi to open his school notvenough mat time
Off subject question... How often do you train heel hooks, and at what belt do you guys introduce them? Thanks!
we will typically introduce the concepts to students well into blue belt.
Great vid. Maybe affiliations with black belt schools are necessary for belt promotions?
I guess.
Do coaching skills from other sports transfer into jiu jitsu coaching? I've coached sports for 15 years and have been training jiu jitsu for 2 years and live in a rural area and have considered helping out coach at the gym(im one of the best at the school, my rolling partners teach the classes)
Depends on if you’re a good coach, then I guess I would say yes. Lots of guys coach sports and are no good, though, like with any profession.
Black belt is usually a mandate from most martial arts styles though the reality finding someone that is even a black belt BJJ let alone a 2nd dan is next to non existent in some cases you either have to a high up certified person to teach or don't do it at all..
I live in australia and i have yet to see a black belt certified either by a Gracie or any other entity whether it be bjj or confederated jujitsu society of Japan..
So you can be trained by a blue-browm belts or at least 10+ years ago this was the case...
this wasn't the case 10+ years ago Alcedo..
I'm on the west coast not the east coast of australia..
Back when i was looking at getting into bjj most classes i came across were blue to brown belts this may not be the case today though back then yes black belt instructors were few and far between... in the Australian Context on the west coast..
My BJJ coach/instructor is a 4 stripe Brown belt and hes an excellent teacher. I think hes going to get his black belt real soon
What if the blackbelt that are available are only at competition focused schools? But there is a purple belt instructor in a self-defense oriented school? Which would you weigh as being a better option?
I’ve always had top GRACIE Jiu-Jitsu black bets available to me because I’d go where they were.
But if I didn’t decide to have moved to where my instructor was, I would recommend the latter.
This is all down to the saturation BJJ has achieved in the market. It's the constant war every growing business has between growth vrs quality.
How many rolls Royce/ bentley dealerships in your city?
How many BMW/ Mercedes-Benz?
How many Toyota, Ford, Mitsubishi?
How many used car lots of any brand?
The nature of BJJ is to grow and share so quality control is an issue they are contesting with, Ricksons federation is an attempt to bring Rolls Royce quality assurance to an industry as varied and splintered as any industry can be.
Personally I trust the process, Jiu jitsu is miles and miles ahead of where it was only 100 years ago. As it goes, what works will be propagated and successful and what doesn't falls into the annals of mcdojo history.
It's in the benefit of the art to allow these mistakes to take place. Can we imagine a world where the Chinese who originally brought martial arts to Okinawa/ Japan in general were shut down because some Chinese kung Fu federation regarded the adoption/ alterations made by the Japanese a mistake simply because they were not overseeing the process.
Bringing it back down to what we're talking about. With the current wealth of knowledge available I've no doubt there are some lower belts out there that can run rings around blacks and professors, both in teaching and combat. It's up to the Master at the end of the day but increasingly it will be harder and harder to argue rank belts cannot teach simply due to the changing nature of information delivery/ vetting.
Ehh, i've been to some affiliations that had one black belt between like 3 states.
So if you begin the instructor training program at Blue belt then continue teaching and assisting all the way until you get to Black belt, would you still get a belt with a white bar or would you already get the red bar and professor bars?
Straight to Professor.
That's what my former head coach said. Nice to know it's widely accepted. One of our coaches is getting his Black belt soon so he will get at the very least the red bar when he is promoted. Thanks for the reply.
Good point. I was wondering that if a black belt does not want teach, will he or she still have a white bar on their belt even though they get promoted to 2nd or 3rd degree black belt?
skyler Guthrie at that point, many wear belts made up any way they want.
I hv a blk blt that was doing his instructorship then stopped, he just trains... so he cant wear the two white bars at the end of the red tab....until he completes the training with my supervision etc.. he cant get the bars
you let him keep the red bar?
Kama Jiu-Jitsu no...
Another great video. I wonder what Rener and Ryron thinks a about this? Don’t they still have their blue belts running academies?
they don't answer to GM Robson. So i'm thinking they don't care.
Yes there is one in Mukilteo Washington. I am a white belt and he couldn't tap me in fact I tapped him.
Who? Wha?
If that didn't make sense sorry. Not Robson but a Rener and Turin affiliate. He is a blue. Well maybe was. In full disclosure I have trained for 7 years jumped around a lot so no one promoted me. But he had open mat and I tapped him and some of his blue belts. I was never in danger. Gracie Mukilteo.
Ryron
Is the KJJ blue belt curriculum the same as the GJJ certified blue belt curriculum?
Not quite. Rickson’s variations vs Rorion’s.
I think you should be a black belt to run an academy. How do you know when someone is ready for a belt if you haven't gone through the system?
I'm not even a white belt yet but I want a black belt teaching me BUT I'd much rather have a blue belt teaching me than not having anything around at all. It's a pickle but BJJ is dangerous and you need someone with many many years of expertise teaching people the right way. That's just my opinion.
You wouldn't want a carpenter who's only been working his craft for a few years to build your house.
I hate these federations
How’s about if they want Black belts in the mats of every school the go to schools that are run by purple belts or whatever and help them out 🤷♂️
Plenty of opportunities to charge affiliation and seminar fees which is what these “governing bodies” really care about
I want to focus on self defense and not sport so that itself eliminates many academy’s. I train at a Gracie Academy CTC under a Brown belt he got from Rener and Rryon. He is an excellent instructor and very knowledgeable of not only techniques but also philosophy.
Your lucky. I only want to train jiujitsu for self defense but the school here, although they teach a little self defense, doesn’t go in depth like a Gracie Jiu Jitsu school does.
Find one that does. Where are you?
mosey69 I have to drive about 50-55 minutes one way to get there. It’s not the most convenient but I have been training there for almost 2 years and my boys also train. I trained at the 1 school that is closer to me for about 6 months but not one time did we ever talk about punches and distance management.
Kama Jiu-Jitsu I live in Kennedy, NY. The place I was training at is in Jamestown about 15 minutes away. It’s the only Jiu Jitsu place in the area. If I want to train somewhere else I have to drive about 45 minutes to Erie or 45-60 minutes to Buffalo lol
There was a period of many years where I’d drive an hour to go to jiu-jitsu.
I know that Renzo just promoted someone to Black Belt who as a white belt opened a Renzo Gracie Jiu Jitsu Academy. Now keep in mind he had a legit black belt in his school there teaching he is just the owner. What are your thoughts on that Professor Ryan?
1) Renzo can do whatever he wants, as he’s earned that right. 2) the one saying that only black belts can teach/run academies is his FATHER.
And there’s the rub in BJJ politics - here we have rules, but it applies to you little folk, not a namesake of the art.
The problem is, there are many, many namesakes who are calling out, and creating, conflicting rules and regs.
Kama Jiu-Jitsu I didn’t mean it any disrespectful way so please excuse me if it came off that way. I’m mean how do you feel about a white belt owning a school but where a black belt is still employed to teach?
I didn’t take it that way, but thank you for your courtesy. I really appreciate it and thank you.
I guess, as long as a black belt runs the teaching program, that’s appropriate.
Dont forget San Diego buddy!!!
What’s in San Diego?
BRAZILIAN JIU-JITSU
What if your a black belt in Judo and blue belt in Jiu Jitsu?
Then open a judo academy and work a lot of ne waza
Real BJJ is taught by black belts...except you know Helio who was a navy belt. 🙄🙄🙄
in my country there are not jiu jitsu schools, forget about self defense jj...none. there are some clubs of mma, but they are not jiu jitsu schools nor self defense jiu jitsu, and curriculums, not even close so finding a black belt to teach is like finding an unicorn, not only just an unicorn but an unicorn with specific characteristics. Here there not any pure jj black belt instructors, neither brown or purple so online seems to be the only option.
I’m sorry to hear that. What country is that?
@@KamaJiuJitsu Mexico, like a I said, there a many they call them selves jiu jitsu schools but they are really not, they are more like mma clubs and they say they teach jiu jitsu but most instructors don't even have a jiu jitsu background, there was one GRACIE CTC in the whole country, in one city but i guess it closed because is not longer listed in the gracie directory or even on the internet anymore. I made a lot phone calls trying to find one with the self defense but after taking to the instructors in many of them, I found out that none of them follow a curriculum and they teach a random set of techniques from sport jiu jitsu and they are not instructors of jiu jitsu and they don't have belts, they are more like fighters and claim that the jiu jitsu they teach is for self defense, after all the questions I made I realized they are trying to sell you smoke. There are a few renzo gracie academies, and like 2 gracie barra but I don't know how legit they are, self defense speaking, in mexico they all seem to be focused in the sport, but they are not in my city and they are very far away, and is not feasible. I can't believe it, more than 100 million people and I can't find a legit self defense jiu jitsu school near me.
I like your videos a lot, I'm considering your online program.
In my opinion, it's jiujitsu. Not medicine. As long as there's transparency and the instructor is responsible enough, there's no problem. Other martial arts do it. If we're talking about brown belts handing out belts, then it's a different story. But the idea that someone who may be a 3rd dan judoka and a brown belt in BJJ is less able to teach than a BJJ black belt is unreasonable imo.
the 3rd dan judoka can certainly teach a BJJ black belt judo.
@@KamaJiuJitsu Maybe I was a bit unclear. What I mean is that the judo black belt can also open a BJJ school as a BJJ brown belt because their prior judo experience (likely paired with teaching) should be an adequate supplement to teach BJJ. I'm not saying that prior judo experience combines to surpass a BJJ black belt's seniority. I'm just saying that this hypothetical person (I personally know of a 5th dan judoka with a BJJ brown belt in London) should not be restricted from teaching. Obviously a BJJ professorship is ideal.
He can teach whatever he wants. No one is saying he can’t. But if he holds himself out to be a BJJ instructor, would be nice if he has the blessing of a known black belt Professor/master.
@@KamaJiuJitsu I agree with you on that 100%. I disagree with the federation rule you mentioned in the video which bans brown belts teaching without a black belt present on the mats. Even if other black belts are in area. Obviously, only a black belt should be able to award belts. I'm not trying to diminish the seniority of professors in BJJ. I just like the flexibility in how BJJ is currently taught.
P.S. I appreciate that you took the time to respond twice to my comments.
I train jiu jitsu at a gym that is “women’s kickboxing” focus but also has a boxing class and jiu jitsu. So, the jiu jitsu instructer doesnt own the gym, he is a purple belt who teaches jiu jitsu. The thing is, he is an insanely good teacher. All the people that have been ranked up when I have been there have been absolutely worthy and extremely good, so I disagree. The one the thing is that people cant really go past purple
“Insanely good teacher...”
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How many black “professors” have you had a chance to learn under before making this determination?
Don’t get me wrong. You could absolutely be right. I’m just skeptical of everything by nature at first glance.
I’m just wondering.
Kama Jiu-Jitsu hmm. Thats a good point, i never have trained under a black belt, and i digress that you are right to question my ability to judge how good a teacher is. I do think however that I have grown and learned a lot under my teacher. Thanks for challenging my statement like that, though, it made me think
I’m just happy you found a teacher you are learning from. That’s a major part of the battle that most people aren’t able to find a suitable teacher.
@@KamaJiuJitsu I agree thanks man. I love the vids, keep up the good work
when u are tought by a purle belt progression is waaaay slower and frankly less intresting and more dangerous wich kinda makes it not worthed. i guess it depends on how much u wanna learn
This just isn't true. I know a world class purple belt who is every bit as effective an instructor as our black belt is. Nobody who has earned a purple belt is 'dangerous', they have years of experience in BJJ already.
That is utter nonsense,a purple has a vast technical knowledge and coaching ability doesnt correlate with belt level anyway.
Being a black belt does not insure you are a good teacher as you see. I attend a GJJ CTC with a purple belt instructor and he is one of the best teachers i've had overall in my life. He is plenty qualified to teach the combatives and blue belt curriculum. I wonder why you think a purple belt with many years of experience isn't qualified to teach people with no knowledge the entry level techniques. Do you need to have a Masters degree to do a good job tutoring kids in a high school class? Absolutely not. Paper qualifications are not everything. This video seems to be a black belt espousing a philosophy that is quite convenient for a black belt lol. Other than that love the videos.
*as you say
I think your situation is the exception, not the rule. I’ve come across several good instructors who are not black belts (we have several of them here at KJJ), but they are typically in an active and proactive instructor training program. Most lower belt school owners have ZERO training in TEACHING. Given that, I’d typically recommend a new student go to a black belt (hopefully a “Professor-designates” or one who has run his school for several years). It basically comes down to knowledge combined with experience, which is typical with black belts since an average time in to earn a black belt is 10+ years.
I know plenty of blue and purple belts who are athletic who can smash hobbyists brown and blacks.
for sure. I've trained a few. but i'm talking about browns and blacks not beat physically, but technically.
That is true, but I think a lot of potential students at the end of the day care about seeing achievements (medals, trophies, winning competitions, etc.), which shows that they'll learn from someone who can use it against resisting opponents. I agree though, that browns and blacks are for the most part more technically sound and have a better idea of how to manipulate you into positions you think are favorable but really aren't since they're better at fighting from the 'bad' position than you are at using the tools in your 'good' position.