TRAINING DAY & PICNIC AT HANGING ROCK 4K/BLU-RAY REVIEWS
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- čas přidán 27. 03. 2023
- 4K UHD Blu-ray review to the new release of Antoine Fuqua's 2001 cop thriller 'Training Day' starring Denzel Washington and Ethan Hawke. Aspect ratio is 2.40:1 (approx.) and sound is Dolby Atmos. Also, the forthcoming 4K release of Peter Weir's influential mystery from 1975 'Picnic At Hanging Rock' from Second Sight Films is previewed with the help of two pre-production Blu-rays which are impressively good quality. Two versions of the film, one on each disc. First is the theatrical cut which comes with original 1.0 mono sound or twin track mono as an option. Aspect ratio is 1.66:1 which necessitates thin black bars at the sides on 16x9 television sets. The Director's Cut of the film is on the second disc and this comes with DTS 5.1 sound. Film makers are still imitating the look of 'Picnic At Hanging Rock' and I therefore point to the recent 4K release of 'Don't Worry Darling' as one suggestion to see how it is still being imitated today and also, 'Missing' from 1981 where the same look was used.
To see the Double Bill Movies (Trevor) CZcams video mentioned in this video click here: • My Thoughts on 4K's Da...
Dominic Husband sent me the following comment which pointed me to a discussion about the restoration of 'Picnic At Hanging Rock' which gives much information and illustration of how Second Sight Films achieved such accurate and wonderful image quality for their new release: "Did you see this video about the restoration? • Case study: Restoring ... from Cineteca Bologna? I'm a huge fan of the novel as well, so owning another edition as part of the 4k/HD Blu-ray set will be well worth it. Have added Training Day to my list! All the best, Dominic Husband."
To order 'Picnic At Hanging Rock' direct from Second Sight Films click here: secondsightfilms.co.uk/collec... - Krátké a kreslené filmy
"... and other family favourites such as The Exorcist."
Beautiful.
I should have guessed you'd spot that little witticism Erik. John.
Thank you for this enjoyable video! Will surely order the collectors editions of Picninc and Texas Chainsaw from Second Sight!
I think they might be sending me preview discs of Texas Chainsaw Massacre Bob so I might be able to get a video out on that one soon. It was a 16mm shoot and therefore we mustn't expect 70mm quality. Picnic At Hanging Rock is a beauty though so you can be sure with that one.
John.
Funny, when I first watched Training Day as a young man, I didn't care too much for it. Now, I can say I really enjoy it. Hawke and Washington are superb, and the way it's shot feels very close to the characters; LA is a constant background presence, but the car and the men in it are the main attraction. I also think this disc is a beauty - the picture is stunning.
35mm at its best I think James. We need to get back to that and it's good to see that many movies shot on video today are getting closer to the look. Not quite as natural looking on all movies shot on video yet, but we're getting there. John.
Great review John :)
Training Day is a great film and I've seen it a few times. Incredible performance by Ethan Hawke and especially Denzel Washington. I haven't seen Picnic at hanging rock but maybe someday I will.
Picnic At Hanging Rock isn't a conventional sort of film so it will confound quite a lot of people. But we're connoisseurs of fine films so I think you'd appreciate the clear talent involved in making it as well as the dream-like mystery to it all. John.
Thanks for that video, John! Curses, though! Seeing your discussion about Picnic at Hanging rock convinced me to switch my order from the 4K standard edition to the limited edition!! 😆Picnic at Hanging Rock is absolutely one of my favourite films. I've loved it for the better part of 30 years. Few films manage to be so ethereally beautiful, yet have the beating heart of a horror film. One of my best friends, who introduced me to the film, actually wrote his college dissertation on Picnic and associated 1970s Australian New Wave films. The film didn't exactly scare me, but after my first viewing, it crept into my subconscious and gave me some pretty trippy nightmares for a few days. I'm most thrilled that this release includes the theatrical cut, which is my own preferred version. I've been reliant on a not-too-lovely SD broadcast master of that cut on the old Second Sight DVD for years. I think, in a perfect world, a compromise film meeting half way between the two versions would be the perfect film. I think the Peter Weir's revisionism cut too deep and there were moments I really loved, such as the girl crying in the church, which were needed. I wish more directors would be generous enough to allow the original versions to be released and to have the same level of love and attention paid to them that their revisionist versions do. The restoration work and new colour grade sound fascinating. Did you see this video about the restoration? czcams.com/video/GtaRhk9Ea6M/video.html from Cineteca Bologna? I'm a huge fan of the novel as well, so owning another edition as part of the 4k/HD Blu-ray set will be well worth it. Have added Training Day to my list! All the best, Dominic Husband. 🙂
I hope I'm able to afford the special edition of 'Picnic At Hanging Rock' before it's sold out because it's another Second Sight Film beauty. I'm watching the video about the restoration right now and I've added your words to the description so other people will get the chance to see it. Thanks for that Dominic.
John.
Great review John.... I've already got my hanging rock on pre order.... looking forward to many more of your great reviews.
I hope I can afford that special Picnic At Hanging Rock release before they're all gone. Expensive but beautiful and I want one! John.
I believe the reason Training Day looks so different on 4K is due to there being a new transfer made with the colour supposedly better representing the theatrical prints. The blu-ray was mastered from the same transfer used for the initial DVD release which for some reason changed the colours so I am led to believe by Films At Home.
You'll be glad to hear I was in HMV Belfast this weekend and managed to record a few clips from the ground floor, mainly the 4K section and entrance. I would have loved to record more angles however it was particularly crowded which restricted what shots I could get so some reshoots may be necessary.
Oh, I was just wondering about the Belfast HMV ever getting one of in there to shoot some video last night because I'd very much like to see it. I can't wait!
I didn't know Jeff had concluded the same as I about Training Day. I do think people have too often based their opinions on previous home video releases but to be fair to them, that's all most have ever known because not many of us have had film projection in the home to give us a keener eye for such things. I'd sit in cinemas and compare how films looked to how other titles looked at home on Super 8. VHS, LaserDisc and DVD never seemed to have the same look as a film and I learned that that was because they'd been taken from cine transfers of low contrast prints. This was so they could be mastered to be brighter and more colourful for television broadcasts and home video releases. Many Blu-rays seem to have come from low contrast prints but I don't suppose that is the case any longer now that home equipment can handle the more realistic look of film.
John.
Hey JBird it will great to see the Belfast HMV then John can add it to the pkaylist. I must put the Uxbridge one together and put it on my channel.
I think I'll watch Training Day tonight and do my own review.
I'm annoyed I have already parted with my DVD copy. It would have been good to compare it to the 4K.
Trevor
@@doublebillmovies I'll be interested to see a Trevor Double Bill Movies review of Training Day. Actually, it will be funny if you completely disagree with what I've said! That would be a turn up for the books. John.
@@doublebillmovies Last time I’ve watched Training Day was on DVD as well. From what I remember the image quality was quite decent but the colours are very muted compared to this new 4K.
Good news! I’ve been back to HMV and got a few more shots to complete the video. It should be uploaded onto my channel soon.
@@moviecollector5920 Hi John, I went back to HMV recently and shot enough footage to cover the entire ground floor. I would have loved to record the fabulous second floor which is dedicated to cd & vinyl but it seems both my visits co insides with a live performance on the floor. I just uploaded the video on my channel now czcams.com/video/Xekx4zYcYk8/video.html I hope you enjoy.
Another nice review as always John. And good to see you getting essentially check discs for review.
That home cinema set up you borrowed the clips of looks really cool. Especially when the 2 screens were side by side in the shot😉
Trev
The chap who appears in that video with the screen coming down actually knows what he's talking about too so worth a look if you get a chance. Good looking chap as well!!!
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Ah cool, thanks.
Many thanks for the video and information John 👍
Thanks for saying so Raymond. John.
great review. I just saw this last week in 4k. I got it as soon as I heard it was out. Been waiting for this 4k release for years now. Looks so clean. Great transfer. Great cast and real good pacing in this movie.
The quality of the 4K image will largely be down to how the film originally looked when it was shot Luis. Kodak were working on finer and finer grain around that time and I expect it was because they knew the threat from video was coming. It's made for a great looking 4K disc today that is just like having your own 35mm print running in the home. Amazing. John.
Excellent review! Thank you. I haven't heard of that second movie but that boxset looks amazing. I have flight of the Navigator from Second Sight and it is incredible.
Second Sight are turning out some first class work and this beautiful release of Picnic At Hanging Rock looks like another one. Expensive but far too tempting. I may not be able to afford it but if you can then you'll have to do the review! John.
Hi John. I would love to see master & commander on 4k that was one film that taught me to not listen to the critics and just follow my instincts as I remember it having mixed reviews when it was release. David Lynch’s The Straight Story is another one I’m hoping gets a 4k.
Master & Commander is a wonderful film Danny and even though I nearly missed it in the West End of London, I managed to catch it in that little Odeon multiplex half way up Tottenham Court Road. A horrible little cinema but it didn't spoil the film for me. It had only opened two weeks earlier but had almost disappeared without trace. Bloody critics!
John.
The Straight Story is a cracking film loved seeing it at the Pictures.
@@grahambird4135 And Harry Dean Stanton there for the end of it. Brilliant!
Haven't seen these myself but sounds good.... Thanks John 👍👍
Let me know if you do get either of them Roy as I'd like to know what people think of them, particularly that special but expensive Second Sight Films release of Picnic At Hanging Rock. John.
I just wanted to thank you for your very accurate review of Rocky in 4k. I got the boxset very recently, and everything you said is true. If you're as big a fan as I am, you might want to consider getting your hands on Rocky 2; it looks really good.
Thank you for that Timothy. I'm a big fan of the first film and as much as I like them all, I don't like any of the others as much as the original. The Blu-ray box set is all excellent but I have played with the projector settings and have the 4K of the first film looking perceptibly better than the Blu-ray equivalent now. Those Blu-rays are all very good quality though. John.
@@moviecollector5920 you're welcome.
Oh no - I love PaHR and have it already on Criterion blu. I won't be able to resist biting again and importing the 4K. Thanks for the video - I hadn't even heard that it was coming.
Morning James. I've seen an interesting CZcams video where at an Aussie festival of some sort the Second Sight Films colourist talks about getting the director and DP involved in the grading of the new release and he does say that they were upset with all previous releases which had changed the colours of the Australian landscape to look lush and green as we would normally see in Western Europe but Australia doesn't have those colours. It seems that you'll find the Second Sight release looks vastly different to the Criterion if this is correct. The original colour palette complete with the yellow hue from the dyed veil camera filters is back for the first time since the original 35mm release prints. John.
Very good film that I saw years ago. Washington made a great performance. Great review John.
I think he's been in better films Craig. I do wonder if he was really so much better in this one because I tend to think of him as terrific in everything. American Gangster was another particularly great performance but other great films that come to mind are Deja Vu and Crimson Tide. John.
Training Day 4K looks absolutely stunning
It looks so good that it should serve as an example to current film makers that they should all request or demand a 35mm shoot for their next production. John.
Saw Training Day on its first release at the cinema back in 2001 but can't remember the specific look. Love the film though. Glad it's worth getting the 4k. I've got Paramount Disney's 1981 release of Dragonslayer coming on 4K. Early word it its a great transfer. Have you any memories of it?
I've never actually seen Dragonslayer Robert but I think I remember colleagues from the British Film Collectors Conventions telling me it was excellent picture quality. If it's excellent on 4K then my memory is correct because how a film looked when shot is the big factor in how it looks when a cine transfer from the original camera negative is carried out.
John.
I have the Second Sight 3-Disc Deluxe Edition Dvd set of this classic released a few years back. Great edition. One of those great Aussie films I would catch on TV as a youngster back in the 80's. They don't seem to make em like they used to down under.
I didn't know they'd previously issued Picnic At Hanging Rock on DVD so thank you for telling me. The Second Sight releases aren't exactly the cheapest on the market but they are usually among the best. John.
I projected Training Day back in 2001. It's been too long for me to remember anything specific about the look of the film unfortunately. I do remember 16 year old me was shocked by Denzel Washington's performance. I agree it does come a part a little at the end, still a good thriller. Thanks for the video!
It looks extremely good on this 4K disc Cody. Looked very much like a film print to me whereas the Blu-ray didn't. I thought the first hour was excellent but then it went a bit predictable and silly. I must be getting old! John.
Hi John, Great video as always. I love Training Day and have owned it on both DVD and Blu ray and may well purchase this on 4k. One movie that I would recommend for you to review is Elvis. The 4K is amazing, in particular the live concert segments, but then again I’m an Elvis fan so there may be some bias on my part. That aside, Austin Butler’s performance is spot on. Lee
I made the mistake of watching the opening which was put out as a promo on CZcams and it was so awful that it put me off. But you're not the first to tell me the overall film is very good. I want to get the Blu-ray of the John Carpenter film because I always thought that was excellent with Kurt Russell being better at playing Elvis than Elvis. A hard act to follow. The remake may be a little cheaper soon and then there's a good chance I'll finally give it a go.
John.
Thank you John.
First again! Well done Cheekster. John.
Training Day is probably remembered today as the film that won Washington the Academy Award for Best Actor. Still a good film though. Want to see your views on the Pirates of The Caribbean 4K Boxset.
Looking forward to Second Sight’s release of The Hitcher… hope it comes out this year. As for Peter Weir, definitely purchasing Picnic At Hanging Rock, but I really do hope Witness get’s its time in the 4K sub😆😊
Witness is another fabulous Peter Weir film. Absolutely brilliant. A friend has a 35mm print but it's not a 'Scope film which is a bit of a downer but we can't always have everything we'd like.
I have the Pirates of the Caribbean films on Blu-ray. I think the first film is pretty terrific but I barely remember anything from the rest of them which isn't a particularly good sign. As for The Hitcher, brilliant but a bit too nasty for me. I do still have it on VHS though. Second Sight will probably make it too tempting even for me because they're just that good.
John.
I just bought the european 4K collection and so far its not too bad (price is excellent even after import). The transfer won't blow you away, but its very good considering it works out to just a little over $10 per film. I do consider price when I judge quality.
@@MonkeyspankOi got the pirates set myself only seen the 1st pme i thought the transfer was great till i popped in th blu ray the 4k is dull
@@chrisburns7979 yup, the image is clear, but the colours don't pop very much in many scenes
@@MonkeyspankO Hey, no use of the word 'pop' on here please cos' it's banned! Vibrant, rich, vivid and other such words to describe colour are still permitted, snort!!!
I spent just £10 on the five Blu-ray set of the Pirates of the Caribbean films. No one could complain at that price which was one of those HMV bargains that was too good to pass up. I remember the first film was a little lacklustre but it was an early attempt to fill a movie with CGI and therefore it probably had to be dumbed down overall. Maybe that't the problem with the 4K discs.
John.
Great review. Definitely picking Training Day up. I badly want a Master and Commander 4K, such an amazing film.
Master & Commander should have been a huge international success but over here it was almost gone from cinemas in two weeks and I had to see it in a fleapit just two weekends after it first opened. A terrible presentation in that cinema but I could still see it was a fabulous film. I felt like I'd finally seen what it might have been like to be involved in the Battle of Trafalgar after I came out of that screening. Nothing else that I've seen has ever come close.
John.
@Movie Collector yeah completely agree that it should of been a much bigger success. I remember seeing it at a pretty empty cinema but it took me away to the Napolenic era for a few hours. I was absolutely immersed. I just purchased the soundtrack actually as it was only a few quid and I love it. Let's hope a 4K is on the way soon.
@@clarku4 If you can find one of the few Super 8 prints in existence then you'll have done very well there.
I had the soundtrack as soon as it was released. Now you've reminded me about it, I must give it another spin.
John.
I agree with your opinion about Training Day. It's a fantastic 4K transfer and I enjoyed the picture a lot watching it again. Colors, contrast, black levels, I didn't find any bad to notice.
But surprinsigly in the Spanish release, Warner has changed the 5.1 Castillian Dolby Digital that we had in the blu ray edition years ago for a 2.0, which is a completely shame and I don't understand why this is possible. It makes no sense. Very bad done for Warner.
No news about a future release here of Picnic, and still worst, The Fabelmans will not be released in Spain, as it happened with Nope. I'm afraid of a very dark time coming with the physical format for us during this year.
Thanks for your review again, John
It does seem like the disc market in Spain is diminishing from what you've said Juanjo. You'll have to find a reliable source over here from which to purchase and import from. I don't know why the soundtrack on the Spanish release of Training Day is different to the previous Blu-ray release but there's likely a good reason for it. Or it's a cock up!!!
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Thanks for your comment, but I read a few minutes ago another bad new and this means things aren't doing well in this country. Tàr will not contain Castillian Spanish dubbed on its Spanish release..... Hard to believe, we will get English, French, German..... even Chinese but not our own language.......
I hope that the UK edition will have it. I saw the back cover of the 4K edition and Español Dolby Digital is there....... unless it is Latin Spanish, which I fear.
Thanks, John, for yout time and your great reviews.
@@Juanjo-oi2or Your english is so good on here Juanjo that I think you'll benefit from watching all your movies in English. At least it will mean none of that dubbing nonsense and all the rubber lip sync' that goes with it.
Excellent as always John.
Thought you might have mentioned Denzel getting the Oscar 😉 I remember seeing this at the cinema so interested to see how this looks on disc.
I hope it looks just as it did in cinemas Darryl but it would be impossible to make any video transfer an exact replica. It's difficult enough getting different batches of film prints of the same film to look identical so no chance with a video. I find I'm not particularly interested in awards after last year's Oscars. They'd already become a bit of a farce but that was the final straw for me. John Hurt spoke about how the Oscars are decided in an interview I saw recently (extras on the 4K of The Elephant Man I think) and it's all a bit of a cartel and who knows who, what's in it for me type of game so we probably shouldn't take much notice of them. I think Denzel Washington has been better but perhaps it's just because I think the films he was in were better.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Agree about the Oscars. Although he should have got it for Malcolm X and The Hurricane, that was a pivotal, historic moment with both Denzel and Halle Berry getting the nod and, probably one of the few times i watched the show all the way through.
@@darrylanderson4868 American Gangster, Crimson Tide and Deja Vu are my favourites with Mr. Washington in a starring role. That doesn't mean they're his best performances, just my favourites with him in it. I'll no doubt think of a few others now I've stated those three. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Absolutely...and I'll raise you Man on Fire and The Equalizer too
salut voila une belle video sur tout sa comme dab
Merci Alain. J'espère que vous vous portez bien et que vous appréciez beaucoup de films.
John.
Hi John, Good work, Pinic at hanging rock, starring Rachel Roberts, star of Saturday night Sunday morning as Brenda, 1960 kitchen sink drama also starring Albert Finney. Which you surely must of heard of/seen.
I don't remember ever having seen it Clive but I do know of it. I think it was featured in CINEMA RETRO quite recently and may have been as a result of Albert Finney dying but it is exactly the kind of film they cover so not unusual. John.
Hello John, I did see this in the theater when it was originally released, and I have seen screenshots of the comparison of the color grading to my eye and memory the 4K is correct. I am planning on picking up the 30 movie warner brothers box set so I’m gonna have to wait on this one along with a couple others that will be released before the set comes out and I think you guys over there will get it before we do in the US. I don’t think we even have an official release date as of yet. Lucky I only own seven of the 30 titles What a great collection of films there is only one that I really don’t care for have a great one as always, john
I took a serious look at that fabulous Warner Bros. box that's coming soon John but it's £300. I suppose we could go without food for a couple of months but I don't think that's the best idea I've ever had. I expect it will sell out quickly though because it is good a value for anyone that doesn't have any of the films contained within. I have a few of them myself so I doubt I'll be getting a copy. You and I seem to be in agreement about the look of Training Day. I didn't see it in a cinema but it looked how I would expect it to look in a cinema whereas the Blu-ray certainly didn't. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I hear you it is a little steep, but I’m hoping to pick it up at a discounted price. If they don’t sell out, I’m gonna keep an eye on them. still no official release date or price here but doing a conversion that would put it about $325 US and the rumor is a late fall release so hopefully there’s still some around for the big black Friday sales maybe I can pick it up somewhere between $250 and $300 I did manage to pick up the Columbia Classics volume three box set last Black Friday for $70. It was a steal considering it listed for $130 but I doubt I’ll get that lucky again but I’m gonna try have a great one. John
@@johnmbell4642 I wanted to get the first Columbia Classics box but couldn't afford it. I need a wealthy benefactor!!!
Hi John! Thanks for this review Its a film many (myself included) have seen so many times really loving Denzel's performance. Seems an upgrade is a must on this as my blu ray dosn't look the greatest but you really got me on P at HR! I saw half of this one rainy afternoon on a movie channel but didn't finish. Weir always interested me for some reason really enjoying Master and Commander then Loving and again being drawn into The year of Living Dangerously, I think if possible Picnic should be in my collection. Would I need a 4k of this or is the blu ray good enough ? This box set looks pretty pricey lol but as Trevor says at Double Bill "you only live once" lol My best to you and thanks again Dave!!
The Blu-ray in the Training Day 4K box looks just like a typical home video to me Dave. Overly bright with enhanced colours and it's not how I'd have expected to see a film looking in a cinema in that era or ever really. If a film had have come on at The Empire looking like that Blu-ray I'd have thought the film makers were either beginners or idiots! the 4K looks just like I'd imagine a 35mm master print to look. As for Picnic At Hanging Rock, I'd very much like that special set because it looks beautiful and it's a special one-of-a-kind film. But the Blu-ray discs I've been sent are special themselves and if they'd have had a '4K' label on them I'd have believed it. I can see how the density of a 4K will be even better but the reality is, it really doesn't need to be any better than the Blu-ray. At £19.99 the standard Blu-ray release seems like a very good deal to me.
John.
Nice video, John. I was a big fan of Training Day back in the day, so I'll have to revisit it to see if it still holds up. I feel like it's been both a blessing and a curse for Antoine Fuqua and David Ayer though, since neither of them has made a film that's quite as memorable in the last twenty years.
Lightning in a bottle, I guess.
I've still never seen Picnic at Hanging Rock and feel like I should remedy that sometime soon. Peter Weir is a great director.
I think Picnic At Hanging Rock was another of those misunderstood films because there's no definitive conclusion but that was the main point of the original novel. I was surprised by the lack of decisive ending but once you're ready for it, it is the perfect open ending for such a different, classy looking film.
I rather like the first Equalizer film but I need to watch it again. I think I prefer it to Training Day but that opinion could change.
John.
I thought Training Day was pretty great when I saw it in the theater, and it still held up for me on a recent viewing. I am really interested in getting the 4K, as I think the Blu-ray of Training Day is just about the oldest Blu-ray I own, and it sounds like this new release really makes a difference. While Training Day may be the most memorable film of both the writer and director, they have each done some work since that in my opinion is quite strong and memorable, especially Southpaw and The Equalizer for Fuqua, and End of Watch and Fury for Ayer.
I am also really interested in that release of Picnic at Hanging Rock. I am also a fan of Peter Weir, and I first saw the film over twenty years ago. I actually revisited it recently on HBO Max, and I think I liked it even more this time around. I do think I will want to own it and watch it again, but I will have to decide whether to get a release that limits me to just the one player in the house (my 4K player is also my all-region player), or whether to go with the Criterion Blu-ray which I will be able to play in several different locations.
Thanks for the great video, John! It was interesting to feature two very different films, but both ones that I think are quite excellent.
@@cinemaniac78 I can't be certain that the Criterion release of Picnic At Hanging Rock has the wrong colour grading on it but that's the inference from the extras and other information I've gleaned. The graders have apparently always previously made the mistake of changing the colours of the vegetation to look like the film was shot in Europe somewhere so it's all too green and not the sort of sun dried yellowish look of Oz.
I very much liked The Equalizer and I think I prefer it to Training Day but I'd have to watch them both again to be sure. I also very much like End of Watch which is a really hard hitting cop movie. Possibly the hardest hitting I can ever remember actually. Fury was a damned fine film too.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Thank you, John. I will really consider this as I do want it to be a correct version as well as being great quality. This may be a title that I choose to go ahead with the 4K and just know it is one I only watch out on the main system. Did you enjoy the second Equalizer? I liked it, but I did feel it was a slight step down from the first. I hope the next one is good; I think it is supposed to be out later this year.
For David Ayer, I really hope he can recapture that era of End of Watch and Fury, as I really wasn't a fan of his Suicide Squad, and I didn't even catch his last couple of efforts.
@@cinemaniac78 I too didn't feel the second Equalizer was as good but that's not unusual with sequels. I will have to watch them both again as I don't think either is the most memorable of films which means it's hard to make a conclusive decision when my overriding memory is simply that I thought the first film was better. As for David Ayer directing Suicide Squad, I haven't seen it but it didn't sound like it would be the best use of two hours of my time so I have avoided it in favour of other films that may be a more agreeable couple of hours. No one sets out to make a bad film though and he probably thought the film would turn out a little different to how it did. Things happen during film making and compromises have to be made. Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. Even Steven Spielberg has had a few misfires in his time as have just about every director throughout the history of the moving image.
John.
Training Day. Just one of those movies that passed me by at the time of its release which is surprising considering I'm a big Denzel Washington fan. I got round to it on blu ray some time later and good to know the 4k is such a good transfer. I've ordered a steelbook version as it's rather nicely packaged. I totally agree with your thoughts on HDR John . It's the main reason I buy 4k discs. The whole point is bringing the cinema experience to home. Terrific review as usual. Regards Alan
I don't think you'll be disappointed with Training Day Alan. A wonderful 4K disc which I'll probably appreciate more when I get around to watching it again sometime in the future. It must have been a great looking film in cinemas in 2001 as that was just before the industry got together to downgrade film quality in readiness for people to think video projection was better than it was. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I'm looking forward to receiving it John. Denzel deserved his Oscar for it and Ethan Hawke is one of those actors that never quite gets the credit he deserves. He's had a very successful career with a fine body of work
@@thedarkknightish Ethan Hawke's performance in Alive in 1993 or 94 brought him to my attention. He's been good in everything I've seen him in since. John.
Afternoon John. I can't understand the praise that Training Day gets, I bought it when the DVD first came out, I'll have to give it another spin or upgrade to the 4K. Picnic At Hanging Rock is a beauty, I've got the Criterion Blu-ray that also comes with the novel so I might get a standard edition on 4K when or if one is released. I picked up Don't Worry Darling on 4K this morning from HMV just in case it's your next review.
There is a standard 4K release of 'Picnic At Hanging Rock' coming out on the same date Steve which is £29.99. I thought Training Day was an intriguing film for about the first hour but then it went a bit too far in the second hour. The picture quality of the 4K disc made it more than worthwhile though and perhaps illustrates how much better things were up to about 20 years ago, before the downturn that began with Star Wars Attack of the Clones. To be fair, image quality wasn't as good prior to the George Lucas HD video release but they certainly got a whole lot worse.
'Don't Worry Darling' isn't the most original film ever made but it looks very nice. Colourful and with the 'Picnic At Hanging Rock' hue to it like so many other films have used since 1975.
John.
The video quality is superb 👍🏻
It's just like having your own 35mm print Odin. Shame it wasn't shot 65mm or VistaVison eh?
John.
@@moviecollector5920 yeah but still looked fantastic on my projector. The sound was fantastic too. Music hit hard when the 2 gents got into the ‘office’ for the first time after breakfast.
@@Bombasticbabygirl There's nothing like projection Odin. Telly just doesn't do it for me and never has. John.
Another interesting and entertaining review set. I've seen Training Day once and I have no great desire to see it again. The mystery was very weak; and much of the language and violence just seemed forced to me. It felt like they really wanted that R rating. On the other hand, I will have to seek out Picnic at Hanging Rock; this one definitely slipped under my radar. I have sadly never seen it.
I think most of us film enthusiasts will appreciate Picnic At Hanging Rock Henri but if you're not prepared for what it's about and the way it turns out then it may be a little unfulfilling so that was why I gave a few details away. The most important aspect of it is the way it looks, the atmosphere, the beautiful girls and the wonderful cinematography. It's a work of art and it was made in 1975... imitated ever since right up to the present day.
John.
the 4k has a bluish-green tint and I think it's much better because it definitely enhances the detail I think its a really excellent release of Denzel's best movie his performance, the DA is a booming soundtrack.
Evening Martin. I've just seen your video within the video on the infamous Mondo Chelloveck Movies channel. I'd get over and subscribe if I hadn't already. Many films had a blueish tint to them back in the 1990's so it's likely Training Day in 2001 had the same grade applied. I think people have been confused by previous home video releases of the film which likely came from low contrast prints cine to video transfers that were then graded to ensure poor quality home video equipment would display the finished product okay. But I can't be sure of that so we'll see what others suggest in these comments.
John.
Oh yeah, Don't Worry Darling looks phenomenal on 4K and the film is not too bad either. But its tricky to get, depending on which region you're in. Then again, thats why its good to be able to play 4K regionless!
That Picnic At Hanging Rock look is so suitable for it. Made a fairly ordinary film quite memorable for me but I say 'ordinary' because I've seen pretty much the same thing several times before. Within a couple of minutes I said to my wife, "It's The Stepford Wives again" and that turned out to be spot on.
John.
Nice John, another one that's in my wish list. This is the one that made me aware of the lovely Eva Mendes. Great Movie.
I bet that's a pretty big wish list! Mine is. John.
It is, and 50% of it is your fault ;)
@@LeShark75 At least it's only 50%!!!
would like a 4k of Master and Commander
My colleague has a 35mm print. It's rather special... to say the least! John.
We have all been there John. Oh yeah - I need to buy that Game/Book/Blu Ray. its will look great in my collection...hang on....oh shit I've already got it.
I was teasing about Master and Commander really. I thought it might wind up a few Super 8 collectors who may not even know if ever got the Super 8 treatment. Only 37 prints were struck if I remember correctly. Certainly less than 40 anyway.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Oh I see...you naughty boy!
watched training day ,last week in 4k hdr. it looked very good in hdr.
We're both in agreement there Chandan. Some have claimed the grading is different but I believe it's only different to previous home video releases which were wrong.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 i haven't watched this movie Before,so i don't have any idea about the different grading.but this grading looked very natural and organic.i love to watch this restored movies in 4k hdr.for people of my generation (90s born) watching these movies for the first time in 4k hdr and atmos feels so good.
@@chandan6119 Image quality at cinemas was better in the 1990's Chandan but started to tail off towards the end of the decade. It looks like Training Day would have been one of the good ones in 2001 though. 2002 started the coordinated downgrade in picture quality but that's a long story for another time when I've finally compiled all the information on what really went on to prepare the world for lower quality video projection in cinemas.
John.
Ever reviewed Runaway Train and what the blu ray transfer is like?
Several people have recommended it to me and I think I recall that the Blu-ray is considered to be very good as well as being a terrific film. I must remember to purchase a copy some day soon.
John.
I got Missing and The China Syndrome a couple of weeks ago,2for £15, Powerhouse films is having a great sale at the moment, finishes this Friday, anyway great video as usual.
Two great films there Laura. I have The Chine Syndrome on Blu-ray from one of the European countries because it wasn't available here until recently. It's an outstanding Blu-ray. Too good in fact, because you can see the lines around some of the matte paintings it's so sharp. John.
Very much looking forward to the Picnic 4K, preordered that one along with the new transfer of Texas Chainsaw 4K also from second sight. In addition they still had some of their other very fine discs in stock.
I agree with the sentiment of HDR technologies, they do have the potential to create the illusion of a film projector in the home and on a proper setup. Its not a flawless technology, especially when underused or colours are radically changed. But overall my experiences have been positive so far. The worst is the absence of HDR in some scenes when the rest of the film is very vibrant, or atleast the perception thereof, which can be quite jarring. Thinking of The Eternals 4K, there were some very strange choices on that disc. Specifically some of the scenes toward the end, around the birthing of the eternal. Not night, not day, weird blueish tinted dusk. Didn't work for me, maybe its just my setup? IDK
It's possible The Eternals was a video shoot so they do tend to start off a little unrealistic at times. I hope you haven't broken the bank at the Second Sight web shop but it's a bit of a dangerous place to visit in that regard. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Amen to that. But, they tend to sell out and the markup once they arrive on Canadian online shores is usually +50-100+% So it tends to be cheaper to order directly.
Hej John how much do you calbrate your New projecter and do you turn down the sharpness and All that stuff to get as close as possible to the directors intent.
I'm still playing with so many of the setting Benjamin. What works with 4K discs doesn't work with all 4K discs but all tend to be different to Blu-ray anyway. I don't buy into this 'director's intent' side of things as not all of them will sit there and do the colour grading or supervise the colour grading in quite the way that is implied. If I were making a film and wanted it to look its best, I'd rely on someone who knew more about it than I. But it does mean that there is a new industry for people attending homes to setup televisions and the like.
Our Optoma UHD550X was much easier to setup to have it looking as good as possible for just about ever disc. This UHZ50 is over complicated and I suspect it's so people will give up and pay someone to do it for them.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 yeah but I think there should be some kind of standard, remember isf day and nights setting, d65 grayscale and now filmaker mode on tvs.
@@benjaminjensen7402 The only way I think we could all see something in a very similar fashion is for film prints to be made available with strict control of the grading. Electronic equipment is too variable. I can't see how any amount of 'calibration' would make them all produce a similar enough end result. But I may be wrong.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 ok.
Now that you have a 3D compatible projector, do you plan to do 3D-bluray reviews as well? 😊 (I’m talking about real 3D movies, shot for 3D, so mostly “old” 😃)
I only have a few 3D Blu-rays so it's not something I'm expecting to take up as a regular movie watching pastime like conventional films but you never know. I enjoy 3D as an occasional novelty and that's how I've always liked it. Having said that, I didn't think genuine IMAX was suitable for complete movies so it just shows what I know! John.
Will you be reviewing Second Sight's 4K release of Martin as well?
I didn't get contacted about that one unfortunately. It was a 16mm shoot though if I remember correctly so may not be quite as good as some will expect. John.
"Training Day" is a great movie...I guess. I just get past that one of my top 5 actors of all time (I will go see a movie just because Denzel Washington is in it) favorite. He plays such a great bad criminal cop, it was impossible for me to enjoy the movie. Denzel, WHY???!!!! Man Crush on Denzel...just don't tell my wife.
Picnic at Hanging Rock was voted the best Australian film of all time by members of the Australian Film Institute, industry guilds and unions, film critics and reviewers, academics and media teachers, and Kookaburra Card members of the National Film and Sound Archive (NFSA), in a 1996 poll organized by the Victorian Centenary of Cinema Committee and the NFSA.
-I am going to purchase this, great review of this.
I'm also a big fan of Denzel Washington Bob so you're not alone. I'm not sure this is his best ever role though but perhaps that's because he's been in so many better films. Crimson Tide and Deja Vu immediately spring to mind. As for Picnic At Hanging Rock - wonderful film. Not one that everyone is going to fully appreciate and as a result of it's inconclusive ending, I expect many won't like it much at all by the time the end credits roll. I think the film is all the better for the way it pans out which is true to the book according to what I learned from watching some of the extra features. I need a whip round so I can afford the £60 special set. John.
@Movie Collector your vlogs always cost me money as I always see something I did not know I needed…..recently that was the deluxe Get Carter, War of The Worlds and now Training Day. Have it on blu ray but afraid I now need this highly underrated thriller on 4K. Might wait for a sale though.
Nearly had a stroke when I saw Master and Commander on screen. That one really needs a 4K release!
Don’t Worry Darling was €7 on blu ray so went for that instead of the 5x as expensive 4K.
The Blu-ray of Don't Worry Darling is almost as good as the 4K Pieter and it's not exactly the greatest or most original film ever made so that was a good move on your part. Sorry about all the other expense I've caused you though. If Master & Commander ever gets a 4K release I suspect that I'd have to get a copy of it even though the Super 8 is excellent. It's a very underrated film but that will be because it's a Britain vs. France story and very little about America. American audiences rarely go to a cinema to see such films. Look at what was done with the story of how the Enigma machine was captured in 1940... it somehow became the story of Americans trapping the German U-Boat and getting the machine. Ridiculous. A film that really shouldn't have been made. Memphis Belle was supposed to be a British Lancaster and crew but no one would fund it so it became an American bomber. I will never understand this sort of thing.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 indeed M&C is a masterpiece on a, unfortunately, not very good blu ray. Let’s keep our fingers crossed for maybe a German or independant release of it.
Help me out, what Enigma machine movie you refer to? The Immitation Game I presume? Believe I passed on that one even though I buy most WWII related films. Still have to dive into Operation Mincemeat though. Let’s see what they made of that story.
@@pieterbalk-ht7kq I think the Enigma film was called 'U-571' and it's about an American ship getting the Geman U-Boat which is patently ridiculous as America hadn't joined the fight at the time the British crew overpowered that sub and got the Enigma before the German crew had time to destroy it. The Imitation Game is actually a very good film so that might be a worthwhile Blu-ray purchase for you. It's probably cheap by now too. I think Operation Mincemeat is a remake of The Man Who Never Was but I haven't really looked into it yet, just seen the trailer a couple of times. John.
@@moviecollector5920 thanks will check Immitation Game then. Have a great day, John!
Tempting!
You must resist Gary!
Afternoon John. I've just picked up the 4K of Cool Hand Luke that Warner Bros have put out to celebrate their 100th anniversary. Have you seen it? What are your thoughts on it? Hope all's well John.
I must get that one Steve as I haven't seen it in decades. Probably because what we have here is a failure to communicate!!! John.
@@moviecollector5920 Sorry if this is a double reply and youtube also unsubscribed me from you weird if I buy new old stock super 8 film wil that be faded to? Also there’s a really cool panasonic mini dv camera I forget the model it films on digital tape but because of its frame rate it looks like a film movie when your done.
@@stpworld I have a couple of Panasonic standard definition MiniDV cameras with the three CMOS chips in them and the quality of the image was amazing for their day. One is used exclusively for cine to video transfers as it has a manual focus ring which is vital for the task. Owing to the trio of CMOS chips the colour reproduction is accurate and Kodachrome film transfers come out just like Kodachrome so no need to mess about with any colour correction or contrast levels afterwards. Makes the whole process that much simpler.
John.
It is interesting to see that the UK version of TD has coloured artwork for both the 4k and bluray. Furthermore, the hardcase comes with 4k HD lettering compared to just the Bluray case in the US version. I wonder how is that possible for Warner to make special adjustments just for Europe version? Seems like in Europe has very strict requirements for studios so that customers don't get short changed for what they pay for. Interesting, I just hope one day they also get rid of the UK blue ray region coding too. Why can't US also follow the consumer guidelines like in UK.
Conversely, the North American market get titles that don't get released here and different versions of films owing to the certification requirements in the various markets. But there is a simple solution to dealing with the zone codes on Blu-rays and that's to get an all zone player. I plan to get a new one for just that functionality soon. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Yes I have a "B" player too that's how I can still play "B" region blue rays. What's my main comment here is I am amazed that the "value for money" in terms seems better in UK versions of the discs. Wether it's slipcase's or artwork. Even if you consider PAL vs NTSC pal technically has a superior clarity in terms of signals compared to NTSC. So for someone getting UK versions of the discs actually getting a better overall quality of the film. However, I realised that most US versions of the blue rays are manufactured in Mexico while the UK versions are in Poland. Does this mean that for UK versions the master copy of both the 4K version and Bluray are secondary copies of the master copy? Or does the studio's that develop separate master copies for both 4K and 2K for Europe/UK versions? This is because I notice that when it comes to resale of the movies globally, there is this narrative that its getting a US version of the disc is better than UK/europe as the master copies done by the studio's originates from a US supervision compared to the one done in Poland. Personally I don't buy to this narrative but it's an interesting point to consider if you wish to resell your movies later globally to anyone.
@@mygumybear All the mainstream disc releases apart from DVD are now NTSC the world over as it has a frame rate of 23.97 which equates to the standard 24 fps of film exhibition in cinemas. PAL is 25 fps and although superior in standard definition owing to having 100 more lines, that is no longer the case with high definition and ultra high definition. As for the glass master for any disc to be pressed, that master is created from a master supplied from elsewhere so the laboratories being used to replicate the discs don't really matter unless a lab is somehow turning out inferior quality discs which seems unlikely. I've had discs replicated here in the UK and in Austra in the past and there was no perceptible difference in quality in any way. Where we do have perceptions about one product being better than another is when different markets get different versions of films released on 4K disc. I suspect this is partially due to our propensity to think that the grass is always greener on the other side. 'Cliffhanger' is a good example because the North American release came with Dolby Atmos sound but the UK release did not. As the film never had Dolby Atmos in the first place I wouldn't have cared a jot but some got quite hot under the collar about it. We got a 5.1 soundtrack whereas the release I saw at the cinema was Dolby Stereo Spectral Recording which is matrixed four channel stereo with improved noise reduction applied and I always considered that to be the best surround sound I ever heard on a LaserDisc. I don't think anything ever needed to be done to that soundtrack but for continued appeal to the masses I suppose it's been updated to the latest system over the years.
One little piece of information from when I has having discs replicated, Sony, Falcon and JVC manufactured discs fared best in soak tests. This tested for durability when exposed to elements at higher rates such as infra red light. The three stated were the only discs that passed the 100 year mark. In other words, none of these discs will last forever but some are better than others.
John.
Finally picked up training day for $15, still hunting a good price for The Flash.
The Flash is £25 over here which made the steelbook at £30 even more attractive. I wasn't expecting to enjoy it the way I did but I'm very glad I splashed out on that steelbook now. I think you have a different art on the one in the USA but it might be worth looking at just in case you turn out to be as enamoured with the film as I am.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I’m looking maybe Prime Days or Black Friday it’ll be below $20.
@@moviecollector5920 Hey, you brought me good luck found it for $18!
Excellent review of Training Day. I’m in full agreement. Others said the colours were messed about and were not happy, but I thought it looked lovely. Also as you say, the transfer in terms of detail is excellent too.
I think sometimes people just get so used to how something looked beforehand that when it is colour graded to match the true 35mm etc. then they just can’t get past it.
I watched it at least three times in theaters, it always had this dull, mundane, realistic Cops like look, no cinematic sunny orange, that they've added.
Transfer is great in its sharpness and resolution, but colors ruined again. I think the new BD is the same, so I'll keep watching that old ass BD from the first days of the format. 😕
@@LennyNero2019 I never got to see it in the cinema so really couldn’t comment on how close or far the colour grading is. I know a lot of people were unhappy though.
For me I preferred this colour grading to my old BD, I haven’t watched the one in this 4K set though so not sure if it’s the same disc or a new master but SDR with the new colour grade.
The 4K didn't look overly colourful in here. The Blu-ray did though. All our systems are different and are setup differently too. The first thing I did with this new projector was reign the excessive colour saturation back in to something a little more realistic. Most won't have done this because every demonstration I've ever seen has the colour whacked right up. Ridiculous. Training Day was muted and almost dull looking at times in here and to me it looked like a film. Brilliant to look at. Maybe see if you can get the colour down on your system Lenny and give that 4K another go. You might find your old Blu-ray looks even better then too.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 It's not about color or saturation, it's about it being entirely in the wrong spectrum so to say. For an example if you remember 1999 film Payback, that Brian Helgeland wasn't allowed at first to release the way he wanted. The theatrical cut had a blueish steely tone, and when the studio finally allowed him to make his director's cut, besides having an entirely different third act and many scenes changed, he decided to differentiate it further by giving it this warm, orange color grade, about the same as was now done without reason for Training Day.
It does feel and look like a different movie.
@@LennyNero2019 The Blu-ray does have that look Lenny but the 4K doesn't on my system. It's interesting how often this happens but it does prove that all our systems are different. Try de-saturating the colour on yours to see if you can get it to look more how you remember it. John.
Why is it a 18
Probably the effing language, the drug taking, the violence and the sex. Apart from that, it's suitable for anyone. I don't think it's the greatest film ever made though Daniel but it is of exceptional quality owing to its 35mm origination which should serve as an example to present day film makers who may be using comparatively low quality video and thinking it's good enough. It isn't. John.
Hej John i would love it if you did a review of the godfather uhd box set at some point, it had many positive reviews online but apparently this youtuber called damn Fool Idealistic Crusader think it looks terrible, we need to hear what you think at some point. Thanks
Morning Benjamin. I have the first two Godfather films on PAL LaserDisc but only ever watched them once. Gangster films were never really my sort of thing but I will look at those LD's again sometime and I expect I'll appreciate them much more all these years later. I could see they were both very good films, I just didn't like the subject matter. I would expect the 4K releases to be good but what we all need to bear in mind is that all our different systems can produce widely varying results. What looks great on one may not look quite so great on another and I'm finding differences in discs that I know well from projecting with our Optoma UHD550X to our new Optoma UHZ50.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 oh really you only watched Them once, its funny i just assumed every one loved those classics but I Hope you Will enjoy Them next time around and maybe down the road have Them on uhd. Have a good day sir.
£59.99 for Picnic At Hanging Rock is a little much.
Second Sight Films tend to do some of the most special releases Alex. I'm thinking of organizing a whip round or a begging bowl so I stand a chance of affording one! John.
Never saw Training Day at the cinema but long ago had the DVD which seemed to have been shot as though it was on a TV movie budget with sub par equipment. The 4k is very good and a marked improvement at least according to my ancient memory. Picnic at Hanging Rock is a film that I would like to have but seems to be very expensive so I will probably have to give it a miss at least for now.
You have the same opinion of the Training Day DVD as I have of the Blu-ray Mike. If I'd have seen a film looking like that in a cinema around the time it was released, I'd have thought the makers were inexperienced or idiots. As for the Second Sight Films release of Picnic At Hanging Rock, don't rule out the Blu-ray only release for £20 because the pre-production Blu-ray discs I have here put many 4K releases to shame. I would very much like the full special edition but it might be a question of eating for a couple of weeks or one 4K purchase!
John.
It's going to be an expensive April anyway with several Warner titles plus the balance of the Star Trek titles Just noticed that the Pirate of the Carribbean box set is out The blu rays are superb 4ks horrendous !
@@mikewilding3199 It does seem a little odd that the 4K's are reportedly not as good as the Blu-rays Mike. I do have the Blu-ray box but only recall the first of the five films which was always a bit low quality and I think that's due to it being so chock full of computer generated imagery which possibly meant the live action shots had to be downgraded to match. If I'm right, then it's not the best of starts for a 4K release. John.
John, Picnic at Hanging Rock always reminds me of a couple of other similar Australian films from the same period: The Chant of Jimmie Blacksmith and The Last Wave.
Another possibility is perhaps the 1971 film 'Walkabout' with the baking Australian sun producing a distinctive look on film. 'Picnic At Hanging Rock' too the look a bit further though. I haven't seen the two films you've pointed to though Barry so send 'em over!!!
John.
@@moviecollector5920 John, the two films i girl-tioned are not particularly good films but they are both cult-oddities par-excellence, they should both be relatively easy to find on the Internet. BTW, Jenny Agutter was 17 at the time of filming 'Walkabout' in 1970 and the bird really was quite stunning, reminds me of another incredible 17 year-old mega-titted beauty called Pauline Hickey from 15 years later in 1985. And one last item, in 'Walkabout' that scene at the beginning of the film where that Aussie actor called John Meillon playing their dad says: "I HAVE GOT TO GO NOW" as he goes off his rocker, it's not an especially funny line but, like i said, it always makes me laugh.
@@wernerherzog3502 WALKABOUT is another Second Sight Blu-ray release Barry and it's a cracker. I think there's one scene with a few missing frames but other than that it's just about perfect. Jenny Agutter is still beautiful today but I haven't seen Ms Hickey lately. I bet she's still angelic though and still awaiting your call!!!
John.
Fucking GREAT movie yo
Poetically put Jester!