Intel Motherboards Get Competitive: $100-$200 H670, B660, & H610
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- This video details the news on some of the 100+ new motherboards in Intel B660, H670, and H610 chipset categories. These are the cheaper options for 12th Gen builds, like the 12100.
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This video focuses on covering new motherboard announcements from the past few weeks, including new Intel Alder Lake (12th Gen) CPUs from ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, ASRock, and a couple of others. We'll also explain some of the chipset differences between Intel Z690, B660, H670, vs. H610 motherboards as we compare the cheaper motherboards ideally used with Intel i5-12400, i3-12100, i3-12300, and similar non-K CPUs from Intel. For those trying to figure out which is the best motherboard for their new Intel gaming PC, this video should help by outlining the major options announced recently. We haven't reviewed these yet (as they're brand new), but wanted to cover the major differences between motherboards.
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00:00 - Intel Cheap Motherboard News Round-Up
01:19 - Chipset Information
04:05 - ASUS H670, B660, & H610 News
09:30 - MSI H670, B660, & H610 News
14:19 - Gigabyte Lots of B660 & H610, No H670
18:28 - ASRock H670, B660, & H610
20:37 - Unique Board Designs, Colors, & Small Brands
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I think for the price the 12400k is the best option
Below is the manifest of my new prebuilt PC ,.. I have removed the company name from some items,... can you guess who is selling this for 5,300
p.s. computer use gaming/ video audio editing,.. is this a good build in your opinion?
1 CASE/NEO/QUBEB Case LEVIATHAN V2 BLACK
2 Case Lighting Multi-Color LED with IR Remote (x2 Lighting Strips) (x2 Lighting Strips)
3 MB/Z690/FORCE Motherboard MPG Z690 FORCE WIFI
4 CPU/I9/12900K Processor INTEL CORE i9 12900K 16 Core 5.2GHz
5 CPU Paste Premium CPU Thermal Paste - Lower Temps 5-10° C
6 COOL/CASTLE/360 CPU Cooling DEEPCOOL CASTLE 360EX 360MM RGB
7 CPU/OVERCLOCK Processor OC Overclock Processor
8 x4 DDR5/D16G6000Memory EXTREME DDR5 6000Mhz 64GB (STYLE MAY VARY) (64GB (4X16GB))
9 GPU/RTX3080TI Graphics CardNVIDIA RTX 3080 Ti 12GB IN STOCK!
10 GPU Paste Premium Graphics Card Thermal Paste - Lower Temps 5-10° C
11 PSU/SSR/1000 Power Supply 1000W GOLD POWER SUPPLY
12 M.2/SN850/2TB m.2 SSD WD BLACK SN850 NVME GEN4 2TB M.2 (2TB M.2)
13 M.2/SN850/1TB 2nd M.2 WD BLACK SN850 NVME GEN4 1TB M.2 (1TB M.2)
14 KIT/RED Sleeving Red Uni-Sleeved Cables (1 Graphics Card)
15 FAN/120/QL120 LED Fans Corsair QL series RGB fans
16 SOUND/AE-9 Sound Cards Sound Blaster AE-9
17 SW/WIN11HM/OA3 OS Windows 11 Home
That Biostar board would make for a perfect nexus themed build
Will DDR4 versions of B660 and Z690 support 13gen CPUs?
Please help Steve, which board should I buy?
B660 MPG MAG MSI MAD GAMER GAMING GAME BOARD
Or the
B660 STRIXTLY THE BEST GAMER GAMING GAME BOARD
I removed all the numbers from the product names to keep it short and simple.
Certainly not the reasonably priced b660, because that doesnt exist. No b660 is reasonably priced.
@@RandoBurner give it a few minutes, it's not like board prices don't start high every single time. You might recall B550 was exactly the same for example.
Buy whichever one has more rgb, more rgb = more fast😉
Well they're both $250 so flip a coin and hope you don't get the one that'll blow a cap after 15 minutes of use
It’s super cool seeing budget options being pushed out into the market, hopefully some sweet competition ensues
@Zani Taniri bruh
Help me gamers nexus I’m being targeted 🤢
Yeah, if this keeps up I might switched from team Red.
Hopefully they will actually be in stock!
It's super depressing that $100-$200 is considered budget when Z-series boards used to be $100 a few years ago.
22:09 - Colorful's CVN series appears to reference the US Navy. "CVN" is the designation for a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier (e.g. the USS Nimitz is designated CVN-68), and the shadowed numbers on the VRM heatsink mirror the way hull numbers are painted on ships with the blocky design and shadow for increased readability. Also, please note the aircraft carrier silhouettes on the M.2 heatsink and audio chipset.
For ITX users, the Gigabyte B660i only has 1 M.2 connector. If additional storage matters to you then go with Asus or Asrock. MSI doesn't seem to have an ITX board for these chipsets.
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Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
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you cant even find the msi z690i anywhere lol
@@batsman46 it's not officially shipped out yet but some reviewers seems to have gotten their samples.
The ddr5 on the Asus is an absolut dealbreaker
I still remember when z chipset series ROG boards were 200USD... with qled and all the fancy features that now are in 600USD+ mainboards...
Yeah, I got a z170 itx board for $100 in 2017... Pricing is bonkers now.
$200 z690 boards are all you need to run a 12900k, don't compare pricing across the 'tiers', compare the actual specs and features
Yeah and it all happened pretty fast, everything was still fine 5 years ago
Still on an Asrock z87 board I got back at the end of '13 or beginning of '14 for $115. Aside from being a little light on PWM headers, this board has been perfect. Now, it's a $200 min just for cpu OC features.
Boiz! We have AMD and CoMpEtiTiOn! Don't pay attention to prices, go buy NFT MoBos with Swarovski crystals..or better diamond incrusted!
B660 looks like it will be a great platform for mini ITX builds
Will be nice to have a compact radiator
@Liyaaa__💋 mans really got bot spammed
That's what I want
can it use the mini Dick I have?
Unfortunately its not as the ITX options are both overpriced and only have a single M.2 slot.
The sole ITX H670 from Asrock is both cheaper and has two M.2 Gen 4 slots.
Rearding the PCB being green: I'd actually love to have modern components in that 90s colour scheme style. You know, a Z690 MoBo and the RAM sticks in classic green, and the entire thing in a Fractal Design Define 7 case in 90s beige, with plain black fans, and an LCD screen in the front that shows you your CPU clock. Combine that with all modern external components, mouse, keyboard, frame of the monitor, in modern components, but in the same colour.
I would consider spending extra for retro styled boards without the gamer flash
Green PCB + OG brown Noctua case fans. It doesn't really get much better than that unless you're into DELL motherboard formfactors 🤔
server and "businness" boards are still green, as is most ECC RAM and value RAM
@@marcogenovesi8570 That server RAM doesn't need heatsinks either, because the deafening scream of the server's fans moves enough air through them regardless.
@@gunnar6674 most consumer RAM doesn't need heatsinks either, it's mostly a fashion statement with RGB and stuff
You should get the Biostar board in and do thorough testing on it. If it looks different and is actually GOOD it would be an amazing development.
I had a first gen Ryzen Biostar mitx motherboard and was really impressed with it. They were the first to market with a Ryzen mitx board.
Agreed. We want to see more market competition as well. It helps lower prices and sometimes increases supply which helps keep our PC cheap too!
@@InnerFury666 Biostar has been really improving over the years
he should get the board? how about you spent the money and bought for him to do testing?
Typically the boards I use are Gigabyte, MSI, Biostar, in no particular order, mostly features and the cost, but as for Asus..... I've learned to stay away like the plague, they are generally more expensive and they can be very buggy or you'll have problems. I haven't used them in awhile and thought I'd give them another chance and bought an x570 board and now it won't reboot and you have to power cycle it, it was being used in a mining system and I ended up using with a smart plug so I could power cycle it remotely but I've since replaced it with a Gigabyte x570s. This Asus I haven't even been able to sell just to get rid of the thing, I know if I gave it away someone would glady take it off my hands.
Hey steve just saw an article talking about igor's lab results when putting washes on the intel alder lake latch-socket mechanism and that it reduced temperatures, would be cool if you could make a video.
Would also be interested to see a video about this
Another fun way for noobs to void warranty by crushing pins.
I'd recommend washers over washes. Washes in the cpu socket aren't great
@@MandoMTL washers don't void warranty lol. Stop lying on the internet please
Thank you for all the 12th gen content! Keep it coming! Really excited to upgrade at a good value
I'm really trying to not buy the 12700k. Waiting to see zen 4 and raptor lake.
I haven't thought of Biostar since my days running a PC shop in the 90s LOL
Your such a resource of knowledge brother . Many thanks . Every PC curiosity/ questions I have usually starts with ... Lemme see if Steve B has covered this before ..
Always Yep.
Extremely excited when I see your business grow and branching into Lab quality , Independent testing ..... THE FAN Testing behemoth !
Thanks for having good character... or thanks to your parents .
Well done on all Steve Burke
The cheap green board actually looks kind of fun for a sleeper build.
what does the color matter sleeper builds dont have a window
@@budgetking2591 Exactly... you don't have to look at the green board
Like anybody would actually look inside a case that doesn't have a window.
@@akisalmenaho8473 that's the point, you don't have to look at the ugly green color. Holy sheeeee
One of my commissions was one of those Asus Pro boards on B460 w 10500. Totally aesthetic choice slapped in an old C70 case they were in love with. Oddball build. Would have gone about it entirely differently myself.
Thanks for the Motherboard news Steve, this is SO exciting for budget builds! I'm looking forward to your i5 12400, and rx 6500 xt reviews too! Oh, and of course, it's gonna be awesome when you get your hands on your first Arc Alchemist GPU too! I hope you're doing good Steve
Edit: I loved the green B660 motherboard, it makes me kinda nostalgic of the 'retro' PC days, like when I had my 486 SX 25mhz computer in 1993 haha! Maybe retro green boards will make a come back in the PC community for awhile :D
Right next to the boards with tempered glass micro-layer edge lit with rgb.
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tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
Same would rather one of those than anything rgb
Biostar has been ultra reliable for me, a computer kept in conditions where it was activly rusting for 10 years, and it kept workign all that time, other components started failing though and at well over a decade old it was just replaced with a new PC but the motherboard was still working fine despite those conditions. Of course this was a board bout more than 20 years ago I am not sure iof the quality changed in the interim or if I just got lucky.
Biostar are generally reliable. They have made MSI and NZXT boards for some time and have had their hand in EVGA's GPUs as well. I rate them
i use biostar boards, theyre good price/performance wise, last as long as other brands, have an am2+ board still alive from them but its just sitting in a box now
My msi gd80 + intel core i5 760 still alive, bought last 2011
Would like an overview of ITX boards that perform best/have the best options for underclocking, as well as any TDP-down type of settings.
The B660 Tomahawk WIFI DDR4 is almost my dream board. Lots of Gen 4 M.2 slots and USB type A on the rear IO, WIFI support stock, good enough VRM to remove power limits (and probably does so out of the box knowing MSI's track record). No pointless extras like PCIe 5 and DDR5 driving up the price (I doubt we'll be hitting the max speed of PCIe 4 in gaming for a few generations of GPUs, the 3090 only just maxed out PCIe 3 in gaming). Just need the price to come down to around $150.
That Biostar looked nice. I had a good one like... 2 decades ago. The colorful also look nice.
Honestly I have a lot of PCI-e devices, to the point where I'm a slot short on my current desktop. I could use the slots over M.2.
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NUDE-DATTING.ONLINE
tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
Steve, new set up is coming together. Small feedback: lighting is a bit on the dark side compared to the previous set. We want to see that hair in higher detail. Audio is back to spec as well. Keep tuning and stay up! Cheers mate
I’m about to build my first rig, going micro atx h610 with i5 12400, 16gb ddr4 ram. I will eventually buy either a 3060 or wait for intels gpus. Thanks for the video!
Damn... just 2 years ago, a brand new Tomahawk was like 120$CND!!
With these prices, a good balance between your CPU and your MB is so much harder to get if you're aiming for mid-end!
Trying to build an 12400f.
Motherboards are more money then the cpu...
@@shadeofdeepgreen24 honestly the only two boards I found are at $100 and $140 with the $100 being actually hideous
22:26: For that Mario Lemieux tribute build I was thinking about, or if mounting the mobo inverted is an option, Wayne Gretzky
My only complaint on b660 is the reduced dmi bandwidth. That could matter under some conditions.
you should get actual hardcore overclocking to do a board round up again
The Colorful motherboard is stylized after an aircraft carrier and the numbers 66 are in the same style as what you would find on modern US aircraft carriers. There is even an aircraft on the "runway" near the CPU socket. Also, you will see CVN..which is the US Navy's designator for nuclear-powered aircraft carriers.
As it is right now I'm kind of worried about the H670 lineup. So far there are no H670 boards with 8 SATA ports as specified by Intel's official specs (only 4 as of now), and the trend of cramming as many M.2 slots as possible both raises the cost while sacrificing PCI-e slots and making less sense for builds that need lots of hard drives. We used to get 6 PCI-e slots for a lot less money.
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NUDE-DATTING.ONLINE
tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
I mean they are just looking for ways to jack up the price at this point.
Waiting for Buildzoid VRM analysis of all these boards.
I like that this channel has sponsors that make sense, like software and hardware
Always had good luck with the Pro4 series from asrock. Might look into buying one.
Building my 7 year olds first computer tonight, old Athlon A8 sitting around. He asked me what would happen if something exploded. I told him we were fine as it doesn't have a gigabyte PSU.
Also going to try Freedom OS for him. Thanks to you recycler for mentioning it.
I'm more interested on Biostar and Colorful MB. I live in a country which most of their board is accessible. I didn't buy them because not many people evaluate and test them. But I understands them because they're not accessible in many places.
I'm not sure about Colorful's motherboards but Biostar is generally best to avoid. They're bad.
There's a reason the Biostar boards aren't popular, it's because they aren't great. Yeah there's people that swear by their 10 year old Biostar boards but they've drastically decreased in quality since then.
One of the best I ever had was Biostar.
Please keep the ITX content coming!
Paid $90 for my B550 MB and it's well equipped with plenty of cooling. We need to properly set expectations.
never been this early before keep up the great work steve
That Biostar Motherboard look absolutely incredible! The feature set is not exactly what I'd be looking for, but the design is incredible.
The b660 Aorus Pro ddr4 sounds good with those vrms if it´s priced $180 - $200. I prefer pci4.0 and ddr4 but upgrade options in the cpu.
The problem is that the entry-level Z690 boards have decent VRMs too and have very little price premium over the TUF/AORUS/MAG B660 boards. You're trading the "gaming" look for more PCIe and overclocking. It's a no-brainer.
hopefully they bring competition to the GPU space too
Don't understand why people recommend against H610 payed literally $52CAD less for the MSI PRO H610M-G over the MSI PRO B660M-A when they both were on sale, and it works great for gaming, also has all the features needed.
How about a review of the Biostar one? Worst case scenario, it meets your expectations for their reputation for quality and your review serves as a valuable warning to not be suckered in by the pretty design.
Glad they changed the single channel memory on h610. Felt really wasteful to not support both memory channels when every single cpu has the physical silicon present on the die to do dual channel.
They didn't change it, it was just an error in Intel's original slide deck.
@@GamersNexus oh. So they confused the DIMM’s per channel with the memory channels. It did seem extremely strange to limit a board to single channel when I first saw it.
22:20 Perfect for my Mario Lemieux tribute build!
since you mentioned it, I would actually be interested in a test of that Biostar mb.. maybe they have improved in quality over time?
I like the look of that Biostar tron-like board.
Great overview. The 12600(k) is definitely looking interesting once cheaper boards start shipping. Though I'm trying to hold out as long as possible due to GPU prices, lol. Edit, wow, Biostar still exists?! I need to check them out...
1) no you dont, you dont need to check out biostar. If their AMD gpu is as bad as it is, you dont.
2) if i remember correct the 12600 actually doesnt have E cores. Which is kinda rediculous if im right. I believe its only the 12600K that has e cores. Which is weird cause the 12700 has 4 E cores just like the 12700K and nearly as fast as a non overclocked 12700K, so it makes no sense to me why the 12600 doesnt
@@Angel7black I haven't looked at the non K specs. Reason I typed it out that way is because the cheaper boards don't do CPU overclocking so I was trying to avoid having someone comment about it, lol.
I haven't kept up on Biostar. I feel like all of the companies have released bad gear at one point or the other. At least for me MSI has been the most consistent. I've had some bad Gigabyte, Asrock, and ASUS stuff before (been building PC's since the late 90s).
The ASRock Pro(4) series has always been right around 100 bucks, if it will be any more expensive, that's basically direct confirmation for me that this platform is just more expensive in general to begin with.
1200 vs 1700 pins.. my first thought about it being a little more expensive. Hope I can snag a mobo @ $100 for 12400.
@@christophermullins7163 You will, depending on your I/O needs. 12400 power draw is ridiculously low, you can put it on a 4-phase VRM and it will run with no issues. Literally any B660 board will do.
Let's hope these boards all have their capacitors installed the right way
H610 may not be good compared to the other 3 but compared to the ancient board I have in my PC? Yeah they are.
I was missing the days when ASUS would do this for their boards. Thank you for your continued hard work!
I don't understand the "Zdravljica" on the B660-A and I. the best translation i got for it is either manifest or the link to the Slovenain anthem.
literally have a 12600k in its box in my drawer just waiting for a mitx board that isnt $300+. glad to finally see some more options.
Asus prime z690
Ive been running my 12600k on a z690 micro atx board for $180, dunno what your waiting for when it exists.
@@AdvanceUA he is waiting for mini itx
@@jordangames2560 Ahh didnt realize the i. Normally I see it referred to as itx or matx, not mitx lol
theres one now, h670m asrock itx
I'd love to see the numbers that show saturating the market with a convoluted line up, trying to confuse customers as much as possible. How much does it increase sales? Be interesting to see compared to a company that released say, just 2 boards, a high end one and a low end one.
Exactly all they need is a low range board, mid range board and a high range board for atx, and low and high for itx. With different colour combinations, black, white.
Surely releasing 10-15 boards is
It means truly knowledgable techies can find the proper board the fastest. It's survival of the fittest
great job Steve
Much shade was thrown today, some still say it dropped the VRM temps by -2C 😎
ありがとうございます！
I literally just RMA'd an MSI Pro z690-A ddr4 because it won't reboot. I purchased this board in Nov. but just now getting around to build it. The first response from MSI was a canned reply, basically just try all the basics, bare minimum, one memory stick, reset the bios, etc... nothing they suggested worked. When inside the bios and you goto leave and reboot the system it power cycles but is froze up, the keyboard and mouse are lit but are unresponsive, you have to power off manually or use the reset button which will work, the same inside Windows if you choose reboot it does the same thing. It must be a power issue with the board itself, everything else seems to be working fine. I also have an Asus AM4 x570 board that won't reboot either which I found was a common issue with that model. From the research I've done online the z690 isn't really that great and you're better off going with the z790 chipset. I don't know how widespread the power issues are with the z690 but it appears that it is a fairly common occurance, I've found other people online having problems with their boards as well.
I'm currently using an i3-12100 but most of the posts I've read must have earlier boards with an older version of the bios and will need an update to work with the 13th gen, I was able to update to the latest bios version but then downgraded a version as a test, sometimes the latest versions can be a bit buggy especially if it's a beta version.
The way I look at this is: what is $20-$30 when looking at building a whole PC. The limiting factor is the pricey GPU. I prefer to build for the next 5 years but that means low high range to me. I am looking at the MSI Carbon and if going down a notch, at the MSI Tomahawk. Also, Asus in the same range which is $240-$400 for motherboard for DDR4. Build about $2500 which would have been $1800 2 years ago. So, will look for best system build for $2500 and hope that is 5 years.
I just took delivery on an i5-11400F for my 'daily driver.' Would like to do a spot of gaming. Any of the Gigabyte or Aorus any good? I'll keep looking on the e-tailers, and I'll keep abreast of what you have on this channel. Thanks for posting!
B560 Aorus Pro is great for running full power with cool VRM temperatures, but not sure if it's overkill for a 11400
Colorful release a motherboard called USS America (CVN 66), it even had little aircraft printed on it.
Thinking of going with the B660 MSI Tomahawk since I won't be overclocking... should I go with the tried and trusted I5-12600K or the potential new hotness I7-12700F for $30 more?
Definitely look into colorful's line up, they seem to have one of the cheapest gpus and often lack reviews and acknowledgement.
This Asus design is very beautiful, I recently did ROG-themed SSD modding, I think it turned out really good.
Your modding was very cool.
I'm really looking at the Asrock mitx h670 board. its listed on newegg for 170. which sounds like a fantastic deal.
Was gonna pair it with a 12400f to replace my ryzen 1400, and asrock b450 board.
I loooooove green pcb boards!!! So nice! So clean! I want it!
That Pro B660-C D4-CSM is really sexy. The old-school green PCB with exposed components really does it for me. I would someone would make new Z690 motherboards like that.
Can't wait for Intel ARC GPUs
Its suprising that how tables turned.
Which ITX board should I choose Aorus Z690i, Asus Z690-i or MSI Z690i? All DDR5... my CPU is 12700K with a NZXT Kraken Z63 AIO...Thanks.
You may have missed that Gigabyte's B660 boards also don't support PCIe 5.0. The Aorus Master even is 4.0 only.
It's hard to say how much this will matter, but I'm assuming that it won't really until maaaybe 2024 GPUs.
Cut down gpus with small ass pcie width.. one comes to mind but that's pcie 3 vs 4 so doesn't apply..
By the time it matters, it will be time for another platform change...don't worry. GPUs aren't even close to saturating the PCIe 4 yet...
really impressive that these tech youtuber can keep up with the new technologies, this really require endless reading and research
That BIOSTAR board looks rly cool!! Wish it were mATX tho..
Are you guys going to test/review that Biostar board?
Every time I see you upload I'm hoping it's the Newegg hit piece...
Not motherboard related but has Intel decided to completely abandon extreme processors? We're still using years old X299 platforms for some things.
i think i will get one of those H670. but need more data and reviews about that particular line up. or maybe b660 from aorus.
That Biostar board looks dope
K CPUs run faster at factory clocks though, so you could legitimately put them on an H670 board and not overclock them. I don't see myself overclocking a 12700K, the power consumption is already high. The question would be if there is any H670 board cheaper than Z690 and with decent power block.
Should probably go for a non-K anyway.
Right! The base i5 12600 has lower power limits and runs at 3.3GHz base clock, boost clock is 100MHz less and has no efficiency cores. Totally worth it to put it in a B660 even.
That "Tuf" is hilarious as hell.
With all the power out and power fluctuation these day.
Knowing that you now work on PSU more heavily.
Do you think you would eventually looking at the UPS market ?
Which of these would you consider for a long term system built to last up to 10 years?
FYI looks like you can run BCLK over 102.9 on non-K skus (I've seen 150bclk) dunno if you still need a z690 board or not
I'm more than old enough to remember the hype leading up to MMX. I've owned 3DNow capable processors and I've played both MMX and 3DNow optimized versions of "Sub Culture". I had a point but I forgot it - something about hype.
Thanks!
Green is my second favorite pcb color. Unfortunately no one uses my favorite pcb color anymore.
Imma build some nice new PCs for the office. We’re currently using mostly cherry cove Celerons and Atoms or Nahalem Pentiums. We even have one Pentium 4 machine running winXP.
My current PC is an i7-7700K on an Asus Hero VIII motherboard, but I just bought the i5-12400 with the Asus Prime B660 Plus. Was I right to change for this? what do you think?
Wow what high prices for the Z boards.. For my Frist and last Z77 board back in 2013 I paid only like 100$ new😳
Alright, so there's one thing I've not seen mentioned anywhere. If I use a K processor with a B660 board, will the turbo frequency still go forever, i.e. is PL1=PL2? I guess undervolting is not possible on B660?
With B660 you can set the powerlimit (PL2) to whatever, and overclock RAM. You cannot increase the frequency manually. It makes sense for 99% of people to go this route, there is very little performance to gain with overclocking these days.
@@__aceofspades Awesome, thanks for the answer! I overclocked my old i5 3570k because that actually made sense but with these rather generous power limits I know I don't want to do any additional CPU overclocking, I just want the CPU to keep the higher power limit. So B660 it is for my 12600k 😁
@@__aceofspades Dont you defend Intels anti-overclocking bullshit. Theres almost always something to gain by it. I just overclocked my Ryzen 2600 to 4 Ghz, and just needed to increase the voltage by 0.1 for that to run stable. The difference in performance is clearly palpable, despite it being such a minor step up.
Not tested unknown at this time. I would wait until he gets his hands on them.
@@termitreter6545 yet literally decade old i7s from ivy bridge could hit 5 ghz sustained. Goes to show why silicon lottery doesn’t exist anymore as massive ocs aren’t possible anymore unfortunately
Have you made a video on how the 660 and 690 boards don't work with XMP? They force you to use gear 2 and cut the memory controller in half. Highest speed you can use is stock 3200, and some are even unstable at that.
Sure would like to know more about the model number data for Gigabyte motherboards. Their naming conventions are very confusing.
So far, none of the motherboards over $180 are carrying any value. Prices need to come down to earth.
Please check out Asrock h670m-itx priced $170. Potentially the most budget friendly itx mobo for Intel 12th gen if performing well.
Which intl series is better for overclocking K or KF? I know KF has onboard video but read it's a better chip for overclocking.? Is that true?
I just want a pcie 5.0 x16 gpu connection, 7.1 audio support, and Ddr4, in ATX form factor. Are all the B660s with these specs expensive?
I need an itx mobo that is fine for 12700k without paying a crazy $400. I was thinking about the asus b660 for ddr5 or the asrock h670 for ddr4. But it's hard to tell if they are good enough for 12700k to begin with and also I thought the boards below z690 just didn't allow manual OCing.... didn't realize you couldn't even just enable xmp. So maybe my only choice is the asrock z690m? The phantom one is apparently incompatible with my cooler I bought. But even on the other asrock, I'm still unsure power-wise if it's ok for 12700k. This is my first build, so a headache.
It's been a long time since I saw a board with 2x P2 inputs.
Anyone happen to have a list of CPU Coolers or AIOs that are currently supporting LGA 1700? I’m looking at the Vetroo V5 in white for a new build but wasn’t sure if it would work for these new MOBOs
I think I need a case fan above the RAM slots only had one above the CPU before can get somewhat warm to hot with four slots filled
I disagree with your point at 12:00. As with the last couple generations, you don't need to pay for the K to set your chip to run at the single-core boost clock all the time, and Intel is shipping with the single-core boosts pretty much at the balls-to-the-wall limit for reliability without exotic cooling. And most of the single-core improvement to be had is by memory OC, which is again possible without the K. So fixed-frequency OC is not especially valuable for a daily driver. And if you look at Intel Ark, the Recommended Customer Price for Z690 is $51, vs $33 for H670, and $29 for B660. But H670 has *almost* all of the features of Z690. The only thing missing is the mostly-useless fully-unlocked multiplier OC.
Better traces and VRM/northbridge tends to lend itself to better allcore OC. I have found a good allcore OC to be very significant to a lot of CPU tasks; login etc is exceptionally absurd when I clock it up. Power savings, even with c-states and other stuff off, are very good these generations despite the memes.
The hate on OC is fine if you don't wanna have the extra options but frankly a Z690 is a Z because it has a slightly better build quality in compensation for likely worse thermals, which offsets it.
For average users ofc price:performance:hassle ratio is important.
Will this Mobo be okay with the i512600k CPU? I'm on a strict budget and wouldn't be able to spend more on the motherboard. Would it be better to downgrade to an I5 -12400 CPU rather than pairing a 12600K with this motherboard? I'm not planning to Overclock my CPU but 12600k seems a lot better than other options.