Who Goes First Here? Two Give Way Lines.
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- When turning right on a dual carriageway or at a crossroads, it's not uncommon to see two paths of traffic that both have give way lines. Who goes first when both have to give way?
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00:00 The Junction
00:29 Demonstration
01:34 Explanation
03:20 Why the Give Way Line
03:56 Road Design
05:06 It's Not Uncommon
07:18 The Driving Test in Great Britain
I am finally in the ‘I passed but am still watching’ crew. The best advice I can give is to remember that the examiner is a person, and they’re at work! They’ve seen people all day every day and in the least rude way possible, you’re not special! It’s not a test, it’s a check to see if you’re safe to be out on your own. If you’re not safe, you don’t want to pass! You don’t wanna be out there on your own if you’re gonna hurt yourself or someone else. Stay as calm as you can, as soon as you meet the examiner you’ll start to feel better. Deep breaths, you’ll get there!! Try not to think about all the reasons you want to pass and instead think about where you’re gonna drive. Think ‘dot to dot’ one thing at a time!! Good luck!
The best moto I have heard is "drive like you know them" - it really works! Imagine if every other vehicle was driven by one of your friends of family, we'd all be much calmer and generous on the road 🙌
This would be chaos for a uk driving test.😮
Nice video Richard.😅
It can't be worse than the roundabout in my hometown that was notorious for two reasons: The road markings and traffic signs didn't match, and the road markings were incorrectly painted, so each lane was more of a concentric circle than the spiral that keeps you in the right lane and feeds you neatly to be able to take the junction you want. They have finally sorted it out a few years ago, but it was wrong for a good ten years or so!
Bizarrely in 40 years of driving I’ve never encountered a junction like this.
I would have assumed that the ‘give way to traffic from the right’ rule would apply, but apparently I was wrong.
Thank you for another informative video, there’s always something new to learn.
It makes sense to have the cars not crossing a carriageway move into the central reservation opening first, because it's substantially less dangerous for them to do so.
@@KindredBrujah It entirely depends on how much traffic there is and what direction it’s travelling in.
Give way to traffic approaching to the right is ONLY for roundabouts
@@danielvanced5526 OK mate…
Like you, I have never encountered such a complicated junction in 53 years since passing my test, and hope I never will, but at least forearmed is forewarned, so now better prepared thanks to this informative video! Thanks Conquer Driving!
I finally passed my test today! I watched plenty of your videos and dreamed of the moment I could say it! Thank you so much for your content, it's been so helpful!
Congratulations.
Whoever has the biggest truck goes first
eddi hall in his tank, I dare you ;)
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But the Audi still has priority
@@maxkendal5152 even if they don’t they’ll go anyways.
Oh no the Americans are here, quick everyone hide your oil!
After a few years of driving, I actually came across one of these for the first time yesterday! This would have been very useful as it was very confusing at first sight.
I would just like to say thank you & show my appreciation for your dedication in making your videos. I’ve passed my driving test on my first take with 2 minors today. I did my best to replicate what you do on your videos and your voice is just playing on my mind while doing my driving test. Cheerio! 😊
Why don’t they just make a roundabout there 😂 surely that would be easier for everyone
I think Milton Keynes scared the Roundabout of them😂😂😂😂😂
I'm stopping by to thank you for the content! I watched several of his videos and they were extremely important for my approval! (I was just approved!) Thank you very much!
Passed today and binge watching your videos last night saved me lol
Thanks for the heads up on this one. I find your videos quite informative and as a driver of over 40 years standing, it can be a helpful refresher on modern practice.
So thankful for your videos mate! Passed my test first go with 2 minors. You've helped so much to be more confident in my decisions on the road.
Passed today with 3 minors, thank for your videos Richard, they were a huge help!
I watch your videos as a kind of refresher course, having passed my test a very very long time ago, keep up the good work and always drive safely
I’ve been on that junction when I was a learner. It was very confusing. But Richard’s done a great job explaining it!
i passed first time on friday, these videos are really helpful, thank you!
Just passed today with 2 minors，thank you Richard！Your videos are so much more helpful than my instructor！I have a Chinese driving license and my instructor made me start from scratch，like im someone whos never touched the wheel，your videos made me realize what the test was actually looking for in a driver and once I got that it all worked beautifully！
Interestingly, two junctions much like this have been removed on the A120 between Frating and Wix, and a single roundabout installed. I believe the junctions were unsafe after a number of fatal accidents.
Not surprised. How difficult would that be to negotiate at night?
I've been driving in the UK for over twenty years, you should always be alert and ready to learn. I am glad that my assessment of this, having never seen this particular junction before, matched yours. (I'm also pleased to see that you're teaching in a manual car, it's a good skill to have!)
I’m a new driver and soon I’ll have to do this exact junction every day to get to uni 😢 this was very helpful thank you
That was really helpful. Thanks for that.
I passed my driving test last Friday and just wanted to say thank you for your videos! They have really helped me.
Congratulations.
Whoever runs out of patience first! 😁
can’t believe you were in leicestershire just passed my test there, watched your video for drivers test nerves and passed first time yesterday, failed all of my mock tests and drove like a professional in the actual test 😂😂😂, took your advice of driving confidently
This is very helpful as always. Thank you
Such a UK road, reminded me of that big roundabout consisting of roundabouts
@@jeremy9203 I would be down to try some time😭
It works well, it just looks intimidating. @@jeremy9203
@@jeremy9203we have all seen one if we live in the UK
Infinit loop
What a dreadful layout. Although most of us would figure it out, there is enough room for error for a number of drivers to screw up. Any reason they don't dig it up for a roundabout or to install traffic lights?
Agree.
I agree, it’s appalling.
Shockingly bad design. A box junction would help.
I would be following the red line as I commuted this junction every day for 10 years. Nightmare junction.
It’s a very fast road with heavy truck traffic trying to gain speed to tackle the hills on either side as this junction is in a dip…!!
Great video! There's a junction like this near blaydon, in gateshead, and it has this arrangement but there's 2 branch roads within a very short distance. Lost of crashes and overall a dangerous junction because of it.
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Hi Conquer Driving, more good work as we have come to expect, but there is one issue that I see that might be important. The traffic turning right onto the dual carriageway has a double broken line for give way to traffic on the dual carriageway from the right, the traffic coming from the left off the dual carriageway also has a double broken line at the threshold but only for traffic crossing and turning right, this means that those cars must wait for the others to cross if there is no other traffic around.
Cheers, Richard.
Heck i drive this every week! I usually give way to people turning off A5 when there is traffic heading right on A5, but its definitely one of those where you have to communicate with hand gestures etc because even if you are "technically correct" theres 0 guarantee the other party is on the same page.
In the good old days we had the concept of Major road. There were UK signs that said "Halt Major road ahead". Minor road traffic always gave way to major road traffic. There was no confusion.
I try to stick to good etiquette. But I wonder sometimes, how many incidents have occurred as a result of assumed etiquette.Don't assume. Even if you're right, do you really want the hassle? No assumptions, no jostling... massively reduced stress. If you want to take the initiative, crawl forward so you can stop just in case. Great content on the video. 👍
I've been dying for someone to cover this, I'm glad you pinned down the literature that elaborates on it. I have a couple near me and I've always treated it as an equal priority, usually I let the other person go first to avoid confrontation, similar to the crossroads you mention later in this video.
That's defensive driving in a nutshell and the correct way to drive. You don't know what kinda crazy manoeuvre the other person is going to pull, so going simultaneously is risky, and belligerently pushing ahead first might get their hackles up. If you are both politely allowing the other to go, you can check for other cues such as the proximity of oncoming cars on either side, nearby parked cars you'll have to negotiate immediately afterwards and so on.
@@KindredBrujah Yeah man exactly, no stress that way.
Still, no rule on who has 'right of way' in this set-up. Maybe some sufficient signage would help?
Great video i found that you explained it really well , thank you :)
@5:44 - I've just today done an *almost* exact mirror image of this Junction, it's an exit from Bolventor (on Bodmin Moor, Cornwall) onto the A30 Dual Carriageway to turn right to the east. A van showed up at that 2nd Give Way line (one you drew a red arrow on) he did the unexpected: used it to U-turn Left(Westbound) onto the road I was giving way to. So I didn't exactly get to test your video's theory! :D But it is coincidental you posted this video of this twin junction the day I came across it. Planning your route on Streetview helps a lot.
As a Leicestershire local I've come up to that junction from the direction you first show many times - not once have I ever encountered a car turning right from the dual carriageway!
I have been driving for 7 years and have never seen anything like this. After looking at the thumbnail a little bit, I could figure it out fairly easy. However, I could image this type of road junction being very confusing when first seeing it in person.
I could imagine there's quite a few crashes here... I can certainly imagine a situation where a car goes to enter the middle box from the side road when a car fails to give way from the give way on the left, causing the side road car to have to stop in the live lane to avoid hitting them.
This is exactly how the junction turning into our estate is. There used to be a lot of these in our city but, as people didn't always give way correctly or misjudged how quickly the 70mph traffic they were crossing or joining would reach them resulting in numerous accidents, many of these junctions were removed. You also unfortunately get people using them to do U-turns...
Thank you! Have loads of these on A1 Scottish section as well as the A9. Once on the A1 a Land Rover driver from behind tried to bully me into going as I waited to turn right to join A1, who then had a go at me and then squeezed past me to turn right… Part of me being cautious was also the lines are very faded, made it not possible to judge how big is the area in the middle, or knowing if the car from the other side will actually give way (like the lorry in your clip). Also worth noting, the side of a car can take far less impact so need to be extra careful when turning right.
On the plus side, it's only your passenger who will bear the brunt of it! :P
Eye contact isn't always easy on a sunny day, reflections and such. At a crossroads i find it ok to either turn nearside to nearside or one start creeping and showing they are going first.
There were many of these within Milton Keynes' high speed grid road system; often associated with access into and out of business parks and residential estates. However many drivers new to MK, did not know how to use them correctly and enough collisions occurred that in the past decade or so, several of them have either been removed entirely or simplified to allow traffic to turning in only one direction.
In Germany there is a give way line for traffic turning left from the centre lane (it’s a mirror image because in Germany one drives on the right, of course) immediately before the branch road in the situation you describe at 3:23. This stops waiting traffic from preventing vehicles coming out of the branch road from crossing the main road.
Generally it's the side road that goes first here, coming off the A5 you have to cross the path of those emerging into the centre and the Southbound traffic on the A5.
That said those Northbound can start to creep into the centre to signal intent and block those turning right path before having to cross the carriageway.
Yeah. I'm avoiding that area.
There is a junction like this at my local shopping centre and everyone uses it exactly the opposite of how you suggest. Goes to show how some junctions can be confusing and every driver will have their own opinion. I just go thirty metres down the road to the roundabout and come back skipping the queue.
I’m keep watching your videos it’s really helpful.
Your animations really good
What software do you use for this animation?
Hello Nigel, I passed today. Thank you.
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Thanks.
Anyone who 'wants a go'!: there's one of these on the A66 in Co.Durham. Greta Bridge - a few miles south-east of Barnard Castle (don't forget your eye test!).
There's even a DOUBLE one further eastbound - only a mile away, or so.
They're actually simple to use in real life & keep 2 lanes eastbound & 2 lanes westbound flowing freely at Greta Bridge.
Love your work. Sorry I haven’t watched everything you’ve done, but have you ever considered covering what constitutes ‘phone handling’ while in control of a vehicle? I think some clarification for new drivers would be great coming from you. 👍🏽
The give way lines simply mean the main road has priority so both need to give way to the main road, when there’s nothing on the main road and there are cars waiting at both side roads at the give way lines nobody has priority and eye contact needs to be made and a decision has to be made as to who would like to go first, it’s safer and best for traffic flow to let cars clear the middle from the inside before cars from the outside enter the middle, the Highway Code states that nobody has priority but road signs and road markings tell us when we should give way but always remember that some drivers may have a different opinion so always read each and every situation as they are all different.
Excellent way of putting it thank you!
No worries at all, you’re always very welcome! 🙃 To be honest with you I learnt it from Ashley Neal’s CZcams channel, when turning right at a dual carriageway with a central reservation I’ve seen a few CZcams videos explaining it wrong, they say when the main road is clear the car on the main road has priority over the car on the side road but that’s not correct, it doesn’t matter if there’s a central reservation or not, if both cars are turning right nobody has priority because you’re both crossing each others path, both have give way lines which simply means give way to the main road, it’s safer to let the cars in the middle in the central reservation clear first before entering the middle from the outside, it’s safer and it’s also better for traffic flow! ☺️
At crossroads like the one at 6:16, it’s not just both turning right that presents a problem, it’s the same if one wants to turn right and one wants to go straight on. If this happens a lot then the junction should probably have a mini roundabout instead.
The outcome is the same, but I was taught (30 years ago) that cars on the main road should be allowed to clear the junction first where possible, as it is more dangerous to cause a queue on the main road than the side road.
Passed my driving test today in Belgium. The roads are quite a bit easier here.
Well done, mate.
@@MrPaulc222 thanks
Congratulations
The position of the cars ( lines) makes it difficult and dangerous to join the main road. Giveway markings mean exactly that: Give way to incoming traffic. Once they entered the central reservation who ever entered first has priority. Anyway the way the lines are drawn will make it difficult for the blue to properly check if is safe to join the main road. Keep the car straight don't turn it right to early as you will not see in depth the road. The same goes for the red line. As much as possible position your self on the left of the central reservation and keep the car as straight as possible before you join to see as much as possible incoming traffic.
good info.
I've never seen road like that before, glad I saw this video.
Not sure what the highway code is, but couldn't they paint a yellow box there? or it is only reserved for city roads?
Useful ... clarified matters for me ... somewhat! I hate these junctions and havoc often reigns when a novice user appears on the scene,
There’s one of these in the North East on a test route, someone failed for doing what you said, not leaving enough room in the reservation for the red cars to move past the give way line
thank You Teachr
Next week I'll be driving in the UK for the first time in my life after 17 years of driving in RHD countries. Thanks for scaring me once again. 😅
@nwrth: RHD and LHD is the abbreviation for where the steering wheel is, the uk has RHD vehicles.
@@john_smith1471 You're right. Of course, for those who couldn't see through my mistake, I meant that I was used to driving on the right side of the road. 🙂
The one approaching from the right, I would have thought has right of way, ie the blue arrow.
They should make that into a roundabout. The ahead lanes on the dual carriageway become filter lanes.
Interesting - not the answer I expected. I expected it to have been the blue route's 'priority', because, at the point of conflict, the blue route is more of a straight-ahead direction in front of the red route's waiting point, whereas the red route is turning more sharply right, across that 'straight-ish' blue path. Helpful extra points are made. But it seems there no actual 'priority' as such - more a case of common sense based on each situation of traffic etc.
Hi Richard, there's a similar junction on the A120 at coggeshall that's a similar size to this one 😊
That's correct. I remembered that one after making this video 😂
@@ConquerDriving ha yeah, would have saved a days driving 😅
Another unusual junction I've come across that's near Colchester as well that might be worth a video, is near Great Totham and Wickham Bishops. Prince of Wales Road, Kelvedon Road, Back Lane and Maypole Road.
I came to say exactly the same! It’s at the turning for Earls Colne
It's in my teaching area. So many people disregard the give-way markings turning from the main road and don't actually look right before pulling fully into the middle. There was a severe crash (three or four vehicles, shattered glass and bits of bodywork all over the road) recently at that exact junction.
Is this junction on darlington test route. Thanks for travelling all that distance Richard
0:10 from this image It looks like blue is on a road that is terminating while red is leaving a road, normally red takes priority but here the confusion (at face value) seems to be from the unconventional road layout (opposing lanes geographically split and red having a dedicated turning lane with a give way line.
We have one of these just north of Winchester. It has sadly caused a lot of crashes
I got a much more common question. A cross-roads. Cars from minor roads both want to turn right. I take that nobody has priority and its whoever goes first. Answered at time index 6.15. Pretend you haven't made eye contact!
I think most people forget but the rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they do advise you when you should give way to others, always give way if it can help to avoid an incident, nobody has the priority to do any particular turn but road signs and road markings will remind a driver when they need to give way, give way simply means give way to the main carriageway, both have give way lines so it means both need to give way to the main carriageway but neither have a right of way once the main carriageway is clear but for me personally I’d wait until the traffic in the middle has cleared before I enter as obviously it’s safer to enter when there are no cars waiting in the middle, if you enter while cars are already waiting in the middle there is always a risk of an accident happening, if you’re crossing the path of someone generally you would let the other person go first but it’s safer to wait until there is no traffic in the middle before entering.
Under normal circumstances you give way to the right. On this occasion, in my opinion neither has right of way over the other (RED/BLUE) and becomes more of being aware of what other road users are doing and should never expect priority. As priority is given, Not taken.
Any situations like this, I always just let the other person go. Even if they’re in the wrong, I don’t want to damage my car nor myself.
In addition to my other comment, as a van driver I would have to be far more precise with my angles, because seeing traffic coming from the left requires closegto 90 degrees due to there being no side rear windows to see through. My van is long wheelbase, but one of the shorter variety. I can see this junction being a problem for a full-on long wheelbase vehicle.
I would have just assumed "give way to the right" and caused an accident. IMO the give way from the dual carriageway should be on the central reservation, and there be a yellow-hatched area where the two paths cross. That would be a lot clearer.
Why isn't there a keep clear box / marking in the cental reservation at the end of the red lane?
1:21 Look at that silver car driver's following distance! Shockingly unacceptable.
yes thats very bad
@@FBIAGENT95103 The next two drivers are not much better either
Yeah even if this is a 30 road this would still be too close
Both the silver car and the DPD van are around 14 frames of video. So, let's give them the benefit of doubt and say the video is 30 frames per second (rather than 25 fps) then that equates to a gap of 0.5 seconds at best. Absolutely insane at that speed. What are they trying to prove with their bullying attitudes apart from they have less brain cells than an amoeba?
@@QiuEnnan Yeah that silver car driver's following distance was totally unacceptable, but the sad thing is brake checking him is still illegal.
there's a three way roundabout i drive past every day and i always see and am involved in three cars meeting at that point and we're all giving way to each other and noone knows who should go?
it makes me chuckle but is also confusing and annoying..
great videos thankyou.. 🙂 x
I work for devon highways, very basic level, and although i have very little knowledge regarding highway design and chapter 8 training, its common sense that all cross junctions can NOT be turned into roundabouts or have traffic lights etc placed bloody everywhere 🤣 especially having the largest road network in the UK.
However i understand the cross junction struggle of side road priority as i am a learner driver and was at a mexican standoff recently lol.
The eye contact advice is perfect,
What would you do if you could not accommodate body language?
Perfect, but please explain, turning right at a crossroads, traffic from other direction also turning right ,*at the same junction, In the midlands we pass passenger door to passenger door, but in london it`s driver door to driver door. whats correct ?
I'm curious about what the UK rules are in the absence of other priority rules.
I have only driven in Right Hand Traffic, where it is:
Give way to traffic from the right. Applies in the absence of other priority rules.
Is this the same, or flipped when you have Left Hand Traffic in the UK?
Confusing because you usually give way to those coming from the right. I therefore got it wrong as I thought the red would give way to the blue. Horid road design, should be a roundabout or filled in, forcing people to go left and turn around at the next roundabout.
I dont usually take right rurns that seem dangerous and looking at these roads and all these markings would make things dangerous. I would take another route or take another right😊
In Texas its the truck with biggest gun rack.
If you have traffic to your right you should give way ! So on this figuration if I was the red traffic turning right I would give way to the traffic coming on my right !
I wonder if a ½ size yellow box at the intersection of the two vehicle paths would add value in a busy environment?
The Spanish approach is to have an offside acceleration lane to merge in. Tried it a few times in the UK in the chevroned area but British drivers just freak out
Wouldn’t a small box junction in that part of the central reservation that needs to be kept clear, clarify any confusion?
Not a safe design. Fix needed, probably a roundabout.
I always thought some junctions were designed like this if it is exceptionally busy such that it is almost impossible to turn right out of the t because of the number of vehicles turning right into the t and it is easier to turn in rather than out because there is one flow of traffic to give way to not two. Therefore those turning in have to give way to those turning out as well as any on coming traffic. If you look at road markings for example in Ireland it looks like those turning in always have to give way to those turning out as the give way line for those turning in is positioned further back than in the UK so it does not block vehicles turning out. Anyone know if this is the case?
Never seen one of those junctions
My test is tomorrow and I’m so nervous
What happened to the driver with least work to do goes first? I would have thought the side road driver has priority if they keep the junction clear. Both have the same number of lines to cross but the side road driver is going straight and the other is turning right.
They are a bit confusing when you first come across them, at Crossroads I just give way to the person opposite.
What is the minimum speed on the big roundabout?? Can we go in first gear on the roundabout please reply me as soon as possible because i have a test this Wednesday.
Blue would get priority, it is coming from a main road, red would have to cross in front of blue to get to the main road
I am a bus driver in Edinburgh, I have never seen turning after each others before, theres absolutely NO space to turn after, the side of the bus will touch the oncoming car if I do so
Responding to the thumbnail, haven't watch it yet:
My instinct as an IAM and ex emergency driver is "a) whoever enters the system first [the most commonly applied rule], then b) if both are waiting the bottom one first because they have to cross and safely clear the major road." Noting that it is less likely the top one will be waiting at the same time as the bottom, since they generally have clear exit from the NW road to come and wait at the top side of the major road.
After watching it:
...and within 5 seconds I learn it's a dual carriageway open reservation, oh. Now I can see an argument both ways, but in fact (as demonstrated near the end when that LGV turned across) the lane markings are badly painted. The top lane shouldn't be dragged down at 30° so the top Give Way is so close to the carriageway, it should be straight until closer to the opening and then a sweeping quarter turn, giving more space for a couple of cars to queue at the bottom which would give space for traffic coming up to pass them and likewise queue at the top. Pretty much as demonstrated by that LGV. But across the country Road Planning Departments employ non-drivers or people who haven't read the Highway Code to design or specify road "safety" measures and traffic control systems. What has amazed me for decades is how few collisions happen because of their bad work and lack of common sense. I lament, driving around my home town, that _every single time_ they decide to update or re-engineer a junction or road system, they completely balls it up and often go so far as to paint road markings instructing drivers to do exactly the opposite of their natural tendency and what is written in the Highway Code, for utterly no recognizable valid reason. Truly infuriating.
The car at the blue arrow needs to give way to the car at the red arrow as the blue arrow is on the minor road and the red arrow is on the major road.
Give way to traffic from the right . As on a roundabout .