The Best Ergo Mice in 2023- Razer vs ZOWIE (SHOCKING)
Vložit
- čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
- Comparing zowies ec wireless series and the razer deathadder v3 pro, pretty much agreed to be the best ergo gaming mice currently
Dav3 pro amzn.to/46153Xd (sale for $130)
Faker edition amzn.to/3J8OcIk
Zowie EC3 W amzn.to/460GzNR zowie.benq.com/en-us/mouse/ec...
0:00 Intro
0:40 Weight
2:00 Clicks
3:40 Wireless Tech
5:15 Build Quality
6:00 Shape
7:05 Battery/Other features
8:25 Conclusion
MOUSE FEET/GRIPS/PADS lethalgaminggear.com/?ref=Boa... (use code boardzy to save precious $)
JOIN MY DISCORD (based) / discord
follow- / boardzyxd
follow- / boardzytv
follow- www.tiktok.com/@boardzyxd?lan...
#gamingmouse #zowie #razer - Hry
zowie is the mouse embodiment of a cs player, they both never truly change only develop bit by bit over time but still keep all of the core principles. oh yeah and they’re both stubborn and hate change.
they also dont like the new shinyer kid
@@pendrive8406 valorant spelling
@@NY-Vice ye
idk about wireless zowie mice, but their ec-c series is pretty nice and I honestly (shocking) prefer zowie ec3-c over pulsar x2 mini
Makes sense. They were some of the first on the scene and developed together. But zowie's monitor side is doing pretty well with all the dyac stuff. It makes way more sense for the lack of change in CS than why zowie refuses to attempt a true lightweight wireless gaming mouse for the price that they are charging tho.
Bought the EC3CW a month ago, first Zowie mice. I’m never swapping off it again. I own the FM starlight LL small, Atlantis mini, x2 mini etc.
My first zowie mouse is the EC3-C wired
Hi Boardzy have you tried the new ULMB 2 update for your monitor? It can be enabled by installing the latest firmware that just came out
A slightly smaller, more medium sized version of the Dav3 while going all-in on the updating matte coating would put it at the very top for me
but it gonna need an even hump tbh if not it kinda weird for claw and too short* for palm
Ec2 size the best fit at least for me, if they make 50 gram ec2 clone, that will be my end game (using pwnage ultra custom wired now)
same
Literally the Xlite v2 mini
@@freddykairosthe xlite mini is smaller, has holes, visible pcb, and less grippy coating. I have both the xlite v2 and mini and while they are both great mice, the deathadder is the overall better feeling mouse
Question here,which version of the zowie can be compared to deathadder v3 pro in size,small medium or large,I want to buy a slightly smaller version of the deathadder v3 pro
Got both now, ec1 cw is now my main, shape is incredible, da3 had this click at one pint when push slightly in the plastic under the side buttons, where the thumb is placed, (they sent me a new one) and i love it also, but what i dont like is the "chalky" feeling of the mouse like you mentioned, have to warm op my hand to get a grip. also the hunch at the back of the ec1 fits my hand better. (20 x 11)
Same, love the ec1cw
do you have a video on size? hand vs mouse.. or if you are planning to make one, I got a fairly small HyperX Pulsefire Haste atm and I just want something more ergo, but not too big, my old Deathadder Essential feels bigger than I would like, the Zowie kinda looks like go to atm with their choice of sizes
Do you use the xsoft or soft on your artisan's? (zero and hien)?
What mouse do you suggest for those who have a large hand and use the palm grip
Bro! What’s the best mouse for you when it comes to play fortnite. And for which mouses???? I play fortnite and I’m switching from Controlla playa to Mouse and Keyboard. 🤔🤔🤔
should i buy DA V3 now or wait for Xlite v3 to release? pls i need help
The curved corners on the zowie mice are the main reason they have the superior shape. It's also the reason the DAV3 is so uncomfortable for me but I think I'm gonna try to layer some grip tape over the corner and see if that makes it more comfortable.
yep, I grip the EC2CW with my ring finger resting at the front corner which is rounded. Feels awful on the Dav3
Agreed. Even with ambi mice, I still find Zowie's ambi shapes to be the most comfortable & I also have to credit that to the comfort grooves on the sides that make gripping the mouse so comfortable.
Would like your reviews to include how good/bad the mouse software it, thank you.
The ec1-cw is a goat shape for me and it is the only mouse that truly feels good in my hand. I wish they would release a lighter one with more up to date specs. The dav3 also feels really good, but it is just slightly too small. Wish that the prices weren't so crazy on these large ergo shapes
monkey balls
yeah, 70g or less would be amazing, 80g feels like a brick compared to dav3
@@awhat4804 thick elephant balls
The DA V3 not rounding the corners under the clicks (top right) is what killed it for me personally. The Zowie shape is just slightly better imo though I do not like Zowie coatings/shell material at all. If they released an EC2L (EC1.5?) in between the 1 and 2 in size and updated their shell material and coating that would be the end game for me. Razer needs to sort out their QC issues with the DA V3 and also what is with them and harsh edges? I imagine Bordzy doesn’t run into the edges under the clicks as a problem due to not palming?
@@BlindBison Same for me! The side of the top right just sticks out and makes the shape not easy to hold
Which mousepad is he using (the orange one)?
The ec2 cw was my first ever zowie mouse, and I used the DAv3 for many months when it first released, I even tried the faker.
With that said, I really really enjoyed DAv3 you can definitely feel how much smoother of an input it has but unfortunately the 4k hz didn’t work for me in any game including valorant so I didn’t get to take advantage of it. But like techne I also had creaking happen from where the bottom and top shell met that just became so annoying and started to deteriorate that enjoyment of I spent 150+ 30 for a dongle. The shape was great though and the faker coating is really good and I hope they go with that coating on all their future mice!
As for my experience with the ec2-cw the shape is just a bit different and smaller which just felt amazing, I also like to use it on my skypad which makes it feel much lighter. The coating feels much better imo than razers. I like the notchy scroll wheel for gaming cause it never accidentally actuates like most other mice including DAv3. I like the ec2 clicks but tbh I’d rather have optical cause they last longer and are more reliable but I’ve never used a mouse till it breaks so shouldn’t be an issue (hopefully).
But yea as of now my opinion is id rather pay the same amount of money for a zowie, cause I don’t think there is really enough of a difference in performance in the practical sense, I also like having a charging dock and having the peace of mind knowing I’ll always have a strong mouse connection. I also like the look of the dock on my desk rather than a tiny little dongle.
But both are top tier mice!
In addition to these two mice comparison is Glorious model D- Wireless any good? I mean price to performance wise it is so much better and apart from holes shape is pretty good and ergonomic i think
Is there any proof that lighter mice do anything significant? The Lamzu I have feels on the line of too light
Mr Boardzy, would you agree IF, and only IF, Logitech released a G703 SL, would you prefer it to the DAV3? (In terms of shape)
oh yes i did 2 scout ace's in inferno with that mouse
Even after all this time swapping out dozens of mice I still have an old 3310 EC2-A that I keep going back to since It has always been my reliable top performer despite its older hardware and modest weight. The shape and tank-like build quality is also top notch.
The fact that Zowie have kept the wireless version mostly the same sans some minor upgrades makes it a bit of a double edged sword - longtime Zowie users would probably find it an appreciable upgrade while people looking for a mouse with the latest hardware and lowest weight possible will probably be a little underwhelmed. Either way, Zowie doesn't seem to care what people think and I respect them for that.
I got the Viper V2 Pro (with 4k dongle) and EC2-CW and here's my thoughts:
- The ergo shape of the ergonomic mice feel so good when compared with ambidextrous mice.
- The 4k dongle I personally can not feel any difference (I did try a lot) and the battery drain was so brutal. The fear of your battery running out/having to check Razer Synapse regularly is a really irritating in my opinion. If somehow 4k is a stock option and battery life isn't that bad I would go with 4k.
- The charging dock with EC2-CW is just a crazy QoL to me. In the end, I'm not a professional gamer in any way so having the ability to live care-free about my mouse's battery is enough to top other mice off the chart when comparing with Zowie.
***Update: I'm now using the Razer V3 Pro, Pwnage Stormbreaker and Zowie U2. All 3 of them are just really good and nothing to complaint about.
So wait, you are saying that the zowie has better battery life rigfht?
@@lor7780 Hey Lor hope you are doing well. I can't for sure confirm that the battery life is better on any device. However, considering how convenient the charging dock is, I never forget to put them on charge after 2-3 days of usage.
Another point to note is that Zowie mice always come with 1k polling, whichever mice nowadays will have insane battery performance with such low polling rate.
@@ChunVuong thanks! My main concern is probably the build quality, i was looking also at the pulsar xlite v3 and the vaxee outset ax, they have 4k polling rate but idk if it's just a marketing gimmick
@@lor7780 unfortunately I haven't tried any of those mice you mentioned. I do think any mouse will have decent quality if it was released this year. I did try the GPX2 which did creaking when I hard pressed it but that was covered by most KOL on YTB so you can refer to few videos to get your needed information.
@@lor7780 I am trying out 8k polling of the Razer V3 Pro. To be fair, if you have the prerequisite checked (at least 360hz monitor and a pc capable of dishing out enough performance), there is a minor difference, which is smoother. However, differences don't translate to skill improvement, so keep that in mind tho.
Did you order a BenjyFishy gamesense radar?
Death adder is too small for me. All the weird curves keep my hand too low.
I have a big hand but nothing absurdly large. With a Large size Zowie be better for me?
What is that mousepad bro
i have DAv3 pro and GPx superlight
But now i main Zowie EC2-CW i never have a Zowie gears before this is my first mice
it's so good idk i using it and my aim my feeling is better. i'm very happy with this one
but the Problem is my hand is so sweaty my Zowie coating is bad. a matte coating is gone in 3 days and i can't clean it's but i still love it i think this is my best 2023 mice i bought
Gotta redo this video once the xlite v3 and thorn come out
Hey Boardzy! Are you going to bring more videos about Chinese mice? Currently you have the Ajazz AJ199 which costs only $35
does the faker editon have scroll wheel issue? (mouse jumping), please any leads would be helpful as i am getting one soon.
Not for me but neither did the other unit
I have a regular dav3 and the faker one. My regular one def had the scroll wheel jump issue for sure but the faker one doesn't. The scroll wheel on faker feels a LOT better by being less mushy
@@bonkersbruv thanks alot for the info will get one now
Did boardzy tag on a bottle of codeine in the background? Lol
I used the DAV3 until the EC2-CW Came out.. Haven't touched the DAV3 Since. Plus Charging dock is a plus.
do an update of this video once the xlite v3 series releases
I dunno what it is. Zowie just feels very nice to use compared to the DA V3 for me. The build quality is my favorite, along with Vaxee.
Broo I just realized I have the EC2 Csgo Edition in my closet pretty much brand new and now getting the faker edition deathadder to replace my wired v2 gonna be a biig upgrade with the 4k thingy too
Zaopin Z1 Pro review when, roughly? Love your videos
Later this week. Wasnt a huge fan of the egg shape so i put it off for a bit but ye coming soon
Boardzy pls review the ajazz aj199
I had dav3 faker its good but there is battery problem with a lot of units
Been using zowie mice for over 2 years now. I have 20x10 hands and use the forbidden caveman grip, Zowie mice are one of the few that have sizes large enough for my hand and grip as well as the shapes being really comfortable for me alongside the coating and build quality being excellent. The ZA being my favorite shape and EC my second preferred.
However, I recently bought a dav3 wired and even after using an EC-1 for 6 months the difference in size was not that bad and I'm really enjoying the lower weight as well as the specs that offers, wireless it is not a dealbreaker for me but I'm highly considering getting the wireless version of the dav3 as I'm enjoying this mouse quite a bit.
I wish razer will make a dav3 mini wired 8khz
what the fuck is the forbidden caveman grip
Bro u reviewing ajazz aj199 soon? I have it in my temu cart rn for $25
Welp there goes your data
0:45 no way this dude got my old kitchen scale
When will the new Razer sensor come out?
After razer gets their new sensor all previous will niw be using 3950 and upcoming mice
Im a cs player and the ec2 wireless has been just the best mouse to use for me. I really think it comes down to the weight for me I'm not a person that prefers the super lightweight that most top mice have its fine in other games but for cs I just cant get off the zowie wireless. Love the vid Boardzy keep it up brotha!
also the shape of the Dav3 doesnt feel as pronounced in my hand as the zowie wireless mice, I think its because the hump is very subtle compared.
You just don't like change. Lightweight mice are objectively better, and people who don't like them are just bad at mouse control
Weight yes! i feel like zowie weight super balance and i feel my aim is better than lightweight.
I not csgo player i only play ow2 but i falling in love with Ec2 cw 😅😅😅😅
@@Evan-xs8ts You gotta be braindead for real lmao
@@Evan-xs8ts Shit take
Well I have both of the mouse you did compare, and after using them a few weeks each, I believe that I have the same feeling than you. I prefer a little bit the EC2 shape / size, but except for that, I prefer the DAV 3 overall. Since I'm also using a Lamzu Atlantis (OG & Mini), it's more awkward to switch from the EC2 than from the DAV 3. Honestly, I'm quite disapointed by Zowie's mice, I was expecting something a bit better... It's not like the mice is really heavy but still, it's disturbing when you switch. I believe my sweet spot would be between 50g / 65g.
thicc monke ballz
Can you reccomend the Lamzu Atlantis? Im looking for a mouse to replace my old glorious d- which is basically a ec2 clone but would like to try something different.
@@dustyyFPS sweaty monke ballz 🤤
I have both these mice , I definitely prefer the zowie one. Deathadder to me feels like a brick on terms of in hand feel. Zowie is much more comfortable.
everything Zowie is better
im the opposite. i own both mice and i find the dav3 more comfortable than the zowie. i perform a bit better on the zowie though because of the curve where i could press my left thumb. feel like i have better control.
whats ur hand size ?
I am so looking forward in picking up a deathadder v3 wired coz since I used my cousin's deathadder v2x I kinda want one 👀
I'm looking forward to dav3 mini 8khz wired
Broo I got the faker edition coming in like 1-2 days I can't wait haha
For me its the size. I have giga hands and EC1 is almost too small for me. I wish there were XL version of Deathadder V3 or Pulsar Xlite V2
The Waizowl OGM Pro slept on, so far my favorite Ergo shape
Do you know where I can find the software are firmware update to this mouse by any chance?
deathadder has a button infront of the scroll?
no
I have the EC3-C and dav3 wired I like both of them the dav3 wired is just too big for my hand size (17x10) I just wish razer will make a dav3 mini 8khz wired with similar dimensions to pulsar xlite mini
Why not just use the xlite mini (serious question)
I don't like mice with holes and i prefer zowie and razer implementation, also qc wise better than pulsar
in my opinion the zowie hyper is because we actually notice more confidence doing flicks, or small adjustments, and thats because of the shape and the weight (not always the insanely weight reduction is good). In games like cs we really enjoy using zowie mices, but ofc, personal preference
and im using zowie mices since 2012 or 2013 i dont remember. Tried the gpx, pulsar x2, model d, viper, and none of them are close of the comfort of my zowie ec2 :D
have you seen the new razer cobra? viper mini ultimate
Saw the cobra Wired
Hey Boardzy, how's the hair issue on the orange Zero?
i guess this video is gonna get a part 2 with the stormbreaker release
When are you reviewing the Atlantis v2 og with 4k pulling rate? Just saw it yesterday and I was contemplating that and the Dav3
I found the Dav3 is too big and that side creek where your thumbs rests was a pain. I prefer the ec2-c shape have tried the CW yet but Zowie are king of shapes and build quality's.
I’m still pretty mad about the coating on the DAV3. I need grips on it and if they had a white/back version with the good coating I’d even double dip and buy it. But I won’t buy a special edition with a signature of some zoomer eceleb I don’t care about lol.
Faker isnt a zoomer
I just compared Logitech Pro X Superlight, Razer Viper Pro V2 and Zowie FK1-C, for my future use. Also, I do own a old version of the Zowie FK1 (more than 6 years of using that one) , which I recently repainted. Some points were the Zowie stand out:
1. The shape is amazing (the Razer Viper is a close second while the Logi somehow felt short on my ringfinger)
2. The spacer between left and right click, you can rest your finger in front of the mousewheel without pressing any clicks there
3. No software by any means if going with a wired version. (Yes, I am using the cable version since the wireless Zowie in Europe is way to overpriced.)
If I would compare the Razer to the Zowie by build.. the Razer feels a bit cheaper when squeezing its body. I do like the finish of the Razer white, it feels like it will be fine after hours of gameplay. On the other hand, the Zowie is able to withstand that as well. The Logi is a bit slippery, so, if I do not put stickers on it it is a loss.
About the glides and the feel on the mousepad. The Logi did best on that, than Zowie for some reason (even with stock skates), the Razer scrubbed more on my mousepads.
Nothings wrong with wired mice bro
Boardzy have you heard of the razer cobra update?
Ya not sure what to think
Imo I wish razer will make a high end wired version of cobra wired. Because the wired cobra is still using the same sensor on the og rvm.
I've got G403 and looking for wireless upgrade. I like the shape its great but not really perfect. Any suggestions? Hands 19.5 - 10
Boardzy just wanna say thank you for your reviews. Bought a DV3 Pro based off your vids and holy shit I fucking love it. Was torn between that and the GPX Superlight. I think I made the right decision
I use a zowie za13-c because it's honestly pretty light at 60 something grams, I got it pretty cheap used a bit less than a year ago, and the shape is amazing for claw. I don't mind the wire and I would never notice that it has a 3360 inside, so that stuff hasn't bothered me. When zowie release a wireless version I'm not even really sure I would want to pay $150 for it, the wire is already fine in a bungee.
If you wear a sleeve you can route the cable through the sleeve
@@DB-ty6tq ah I never wear a sleeve on my mouse arm, I always at least roll up my sleeve if I'm wearing a hoodie or something. I've never heard that kind of suggestion before though, but honestly it sounds much more bothersome than using a bungee
What’s your bungee? I use the camade 2 and ec3-c and i never felt the wire i’m using low sens in csgo
@@paulmartinez34 I'm using the razer bungee v3 and yeah similar to you I almost never notice the wire. I'm also on low sens in csgo, 740 edpi
Oh nice my edpi is higher than yours i use 880 edpi
Sens 2.2 dpi 400
sounds like this might change soon with the pwnage stormbreaker
The QC on the DAV3 is way too out of hand at least in europe, had to go back to my superlight after they replaced 3 of my DAVs.
not sure if you've seen the razer mouse leaks but brooooo, honestly so hype for the razer cobra
I'm hype for the cobra wired but one things bothers me it uses the same sensor like on the og rvm wired. I just hope it doesn't have a high lod out of the box because the og rvm wired even if you set the lod on low it's still high and it doesn't to anything. But then again I hope there will be a high end wired version down the line
@@paulmartinez34 hmm yeah that does suck, I'll see reviews of what people think about it and then I'll decide to get it
Asus ROG Keris Aimpoint Is a decent small wireless ergo mouse that's slept on. Has 3399, hot swap switches, great stock feet, scroll wheel and is 72g with a big 370mah battery. Could easily swap to a smaller battery and get it down to the mid 60g range.
But has atrocious software. My Keris is not detected in its software if on wireless and worse it can't charge at all. Had to use it wired at the moment. Tried updating and reinstalling the software, reinstalling the driver (mouse and the dongle), and Plugging into other USB ports, and all of that was not working. There is a time it gets detected and charged but most of the time it doesn't work. The support from Asus is not helping at all and I can't RMA it as my Keris is not in warranty anymore.
Don't get me wrong, I like this mouse especially its shape and the ability to change the switches on the go but their software is a big blow to me.
Now I had to use my works mouse which is G604 and surprisingly I like the shape of G604 for gaming more than Keris but the weight is like a brick tho lol
So i like to play CS, and i own Superlight, Dav3, EC3-CW, for me EC3 has the best shape, since i have a small-medium hand, but what i love about it is the clicks, they seem to be instant... for example whenever i do a reflex test with zowie i get about 165 ms, but with Dav/superlight 185+. The biggest drawback is the weight imo but you can get used to it. Also the build quality from zowie is excelent. Scroll wheel is kinda bad on zowie also the feets, i changed them after a month with corepads ...
birds and lighting were paid actors
I don't own the Zowie, but I tried the DAV3 and its just simply just on the other side of too big for my hand size, I've never liked palm grip and it's just a hair to big for claw/doesn't feel good to fingertip, it really wouldn't kill Razer to put out a Mini for it's main shapes
Dav3 mini wired 8khz pls
When will the xlite v3 be compared
I have had 2 razer mice so far and always had some form of issue with them whether its the double click issue or even my viper ultimate just not charging on the dock. Synapse as well is such a hassle when I use one mouse per computer. ZOWIE C1 so far has just eliminated all my headaches I couldn't face another razer mouse.
I did a lot of research on mice over the last two weeks and came to the conclusion that I would get either the dav3 or the ec2. Now I found your video. Still don't know which to buy, but at least I know my "research" was correct lol
After spending countless years using mice for claw (Viper mini, Abyssus V2, Model O-, S2/C, XM1r, M800, X2 and X2 mini, Superlight) and performing well with them, specially the S2-C and Superlight I decieded I wanted to give Ergo a chance for a first time, so I got the EC2-C. After 7 months, I can say that altho I still pick my Superlight once in a while, I perform the best with the EC2. Idk why, but flicking, moving around and tapping with it just feel natural. But I miss having the freedom of a wireless mouse, so now I´m not sure if I wanna get an EC2W or a DAV3 Pro, kinda worried that the DAV3 might not feels as good in my hand.
I personally used the DAv3 for roughly 7-8months and recently just made the swap to the EC2 wireless, and i prefer the EC2 wireless way more due to its shape. If you're someone who thinks that shape is the most important, i would say get the zowie mouse, but if you're someone that doesn't want to miss out on the latest tech (4k polling rate, optical switches, better sensor, etc) i would say get the DA v3 pro, but in my experience i can't tell the difference in performance between the two other than it feels way more comfortable on the zowie mouse. Also one other thing to point out that during the time i was using my DA V3 pro was that the scroll wheel was way too sensitive, which caused me to jump by accident a lot in tac fps. (valo/csgo).
The deathadder is quite a lot larger than the ec2 I got wrist pains from aiming with it, the ec2 is much more comfortable for me but has worse tech. I would like Razer to release a medium sized version, the deathadder v3 is one of the biggest mice on the market which is frustrating for people who want a bit more mobility
@@Jordy1707 That´s what I was thinking, DAV3 could be even better if they made a slighlty smaller size, but I doubt that´s gonna happen. We still haven´t even gotten any new official news about the Viper Mini
I wish there will be an s3-c
There is a razer cobra and razer cobra pro it's a replacement for the og rvm
the shape, combined with the coating and the cheap feel I get from teh dav3 make the zowie better for me. the slight higher shape on the dav3 isnt as comfortable and the chalky coating is actually pretty bad (imo). dav3 creaks already and the wheel and clicks feel loose. zowie just feels better to use.
How does one even begin to describe being part of the Zowie cult? I think the biggest thing is consistency. Even between sizes it's a shape that is so locked in to the way you grip the mouse that you can go back to it reliably time and time again. They have top notch R&D when it comes to performance, EMI shielding, and they stuck with a 3370 because they tested the hell out of it for ages. A Zowie mouse just never lets you down, regardless of it not being the "best specs."
Aside from Zowie, I mainly have used the X2 Mini recently, and Finalmouse UL2/Starlight Small for the longest time. For games that are more tactical shooters, Val or CSGO specifically, I just think Zowie has the edge when it comes to consistency.
The EC-CW is the closest to the legendary Microsoft intellimouse 3.0 that CS players use back in the day
I went for the Viper v2
Always wanted to try a Zowie mouse but that thing costs 200$ over here💀
Call me crazy, but I've never noticed an issue with any sensor I've used in the last 2 years. It's not been noticeable going from a 3370 to a 3395 for example. I have a lot to say about the zowie ergo shape, and won't dump it all here, but the weight of my EC1-CW is actually helpful for me - it takes away some of my shakiness, makes me feel smooth and overall is a buff to consistency. It's a hard sell in terms of value for money over the Razer DAV3, but I'm glad I bought the zowie and not the Dav3. The Zowie feels organic in its shape, the Razer feels less organic & more engineered.
I thought a heavier mouse would help me with aiming but it just takes more effort for my tiny muscles to move around so it just makes it harder
@fireflame ft There are so many variables to consider when choosing a mouse and I'm starting to think that the users strength should also be considered. Although it is possible you're trolling me 🤣 I spent a lot of my teens weight lifting (heavy) and have carried some of that strength into my 30s. 1 size does not fit all - especially in the mouse game 😬
@@LogPileGaming I've lifted in the past, but I'm your average dude nothing special in terms of strength or athletics but I doubt strength plays that much of a role, many pro players have spaghetti arms and barely any muscles mass and there they are at the top lol
@@LogPileGamingwhen you workout in the gym you aren’t making small movements with tiny muscles in your hands nor are you moving your hands in the same way. It’s way different. A lighter mouse will always allow you more control than a heavier mouse at the cost of more instability until you train those tiny muscles in your hand.
@fireflame ft you make a VERY good point there. Do you think you would get used to the weight if you used a heavier mouse for a longer time? Or generally just prefer lighter? I actually perform better in aim trainers with light mice (29grams and 36grams) but perform more consistently in game with a heavier mouse. I am not 100% sure how to measure this though, so it could just be easier matchmaking?
I'm one of the few people that LOVE the scrollwheel on Zowie mice, it avoids accidental inputs with its nice tactility which the DAV3 severely lacks, I have had numerous mis inputs with deathadder V3 because the encoder sucks, it can get stuck mid step and then randomly activate during game. Total dealbreaker.
Build quality and performance in-game for me is top tier and for that reason the better pick.
I also like zowie scroll wheel they're good imo
The DAV3, every deathadder actually, has had some of the most tactile scrolls. Not Zowie level but far from a smooth scroll with no steps.
talking about scroll wheel is really important when you play games like Apex legends that need you to use alot of your scroll wheel all the time. Ive had many expensive mice fail on me in the scroll wheel department because i play alot of apex. but my zowie ec2c wired is still going strong without problems. and its my prefered mice for shooters. i had the superlight and the v2 scroll wheel give up on me.
@@theculture42069 I think tactile steps are worse for apex. Mostly because you need to scroll quickly and a lot, which you can’t really do well with tactile scroll wheels. Smooth scroll would be better because you get more inputs for tap strafing.
@heatnup6899 nah man my viper 8khz is tactile but barelly so and it's unplayable in games like that and for that i would prefer the zowie wheel or similar tactiles
5:09 ...im feeling called out now.
Well here is the funny part I got dhv3 first and it was way too big for me and something about the zowie shape with ec3 on the left side made me feel like it’s better for me and further, the clicks are way more snappy for me with ec3
I have the EC3-C and it's so good I'm just waiting for razer to make a dav3 mini wired 8khz
@@paulmartinez34 I feel you. But I’m not into 4K -8khz that much I kinda want to see where this technology is going and then decide to buy or not
True
Wireless FK-2 when? :)
Fk3-c pls
Pulsar xlite V3 waiting room for my small ass hands but oh boi it's tempting for deathadder v3
when does it release?
@@cadenrs I saw a photo from an event on my country where an official distributor of pulsar in my country says that their 1st batch will come in august
Here's hoping for a dav3 mini wired 8khz
What about the pulsar xlite v3?
leftmost water bottle got endgame shape
the ec1 is still too small for my hand :S but as its the largest pro mouse its all i can use
I've got all these mice and I always end up going back to my modded GPX Pro Superlight. If I'm running around like a crazy person with a Shotgun then I prefer my Razer Death Adder 2 (yeah 2) with glass Superglides.
Ok , you've literally told me nothing , glass on what surface
@@BelaPuma .. Most people would know exactly what I was saying. Here's a more precise explanation: I have (2) two mouse pads I use a few hard PVC coated aluminum core pads and an Artisan FX Hien - XL. Shotguns on small maps e.g. Shipment (CoD MW2) you have to aim extremely fast so I prefer glass Superglides skates and for most other engagements I need more accuracy so the Esports Tiger ICE skates. Personally I'm not a fan of glass mouse pads, but to each their own. I have basically every "good" mouse there is on the market. Most Pros use a modded Logitech GPX Pro Superlight. My GPX has the aforementioned Esports Tiger ICE skates, an aftermarket hot-swappable PCB (Fac Fox) with a TTC Gold encoder and TTC Dustproof Gold 30M but the 50M are also good that IO ordered from mouseclub.
@DJaquithFL so you use glass on the hien? Also waht hardness lvl is the hien
@@BelaPuma .. First I'm a Chemical Engineer and I'm not using a "glass mouse pad," the Artisan FX Hien is made out of a polyester blend, but I believe some Artisan mouse pads like their Artisan Shidenkai have a "glass coating" and I would not recommend with any glass skates. So the Mohs hardness (Hm) on a polyester cloth mouse pad and the Superglide glass (appears to be tempered glass) skates (probably 5-6 Hm) are not a problem, -not- nor are the glass skates on the PVC (polyvinyl chloride) covered mouse pads.
@DJaquithFL hmm... tho pvc would be more something like 4 would it not , so i never considered them bcuz of scratches
I feel like every review with an ec2 and a dav3 acts like the shape and size are really similar but I honestly don’t feel like the size is comparable at all. The dav3 feels way larger in my hand and I honestly just aim worse with it because of that.
Did he just call my hands "freakishly large"? *distributes coffee through the air*
Honestly I'm happy about the EC1 because the ergo for my hands is just spot on. The deathadder is also solid, but I sometimes felt it was a little too small and could have been a tad bigger. Other than that, nice comparision, thanks for sharing! :)
The 180€ price tag is insane for zowie mouse
deathadder v3 is so close but feels like a brick shape wise and I have large hands
also as a stalker of cs pro settings tons of pro's who hadn't used zowie for years immediately switched back when wireless came out
6:16 they have a mini version of the old deathadder in wired tho. worst click feeling on the market tho
Yeah but thats a totally different shape. I made a vid bashing it a while back
I'm One of the few that likes the dav2 mini because I have small hands of 17x10. If they make a dav3 mini wired 8khz I will buy it also I think it will work because it's an ec shape
@@paulmartinez34 i can see that the shape is very good for people with smaller hands. but as said, the clicks are unusable imo. also wired is a thing of the past imo. deathadder v3 mini would suit a lot of people very well
There is still users that like wired mice nothing wrong with wired mice it depends on each person if he/she is bothered by cable or not. And like i said if razer makes a dav3 mini it will suit a lot of people because the shape is an ec style and will suit a lot of pepple
@@paulmartinez34 yes a lot of people still play with cable. of corse its personal preference ;) just for me personally its not a thing anymore
Personally the model d from glorious is my favorite
I hope they put the Faker edition coating on the standard colorway versions or at least have an option for it.
Bro zowie needs to make an fkc wireless
I am truly shocked. My mouth is gaping and streaming a pool of my own saliva.
I want a smaller EC3- Cthat isn't honeycomb and at like 50-55g.
Or a way smaller G pro superlight.
That's what I want
Ps. Am I the only one who likes the EC3-C scroll wheel more than any other scroll wheel?
And EC3-C is the first Zowie I have (wired)
I use Zowie because of the side buttons and the shape. Though I now use superlight again cause I don't like the heavy weight on them
get Zaunkoenig then
AJ199?
I love my ec3-c bro
If you want a small gpx wait for xe small wired although the shape is a combination of fk and gpx
@@paulmartinez34I started to enjoy my ec3-c and I don't know if I'm gonna change actually
Nice i also enjoy my ec3-c it's my main mouse
4k polling rate is a gimmick.
NOTI GANG
This shocked me
wish they made the dave3 in a smaller version, so far zowie ec3-c shape is unmatched for me even if it's heavier. The stock mouse feet are trash tho.
I would love to see a dav3 mini wired 8khz and similar dimensions to xlite mini or the same dimension
Btw I also have EC3-C wired and I like it