Charlotte did really well for herself in the end! She saw her situation with clear eyes, she knew she had to make a good match if she didn't want to end an old maid - and she did! She has a pretty house, a husband who is kind and courteous and isn't the town drunk - she and Collins might even learn to love each other in the end. I think she had a very happy ending, all things considered.
Kind and courteous? What the? He is no such thing. Austen makes a point of his shocking discourtesy. And his cruelty to the Bennets over Lydia's disgrace is phenomenal.
@@lizziebkennedy7505 Yes, I had forgotten about that plot point. Thank you for reminding me. While absolutely agreeing with you about Mr. Collins' flaws, I still think Charlotte was a lot better off than a lot of girls of her time. She was wise, and she made a pretty good match.
It's easy to feel sorry for Charlotte in today's light, but back then she did indeed make a good alliance. An unmarried woman was a sorry thing until fairly recently in human history, having to gain worth through the status of a husband instead of by her own efforts. Thank god we've moved beyond that!
And she was 27 by that time. Knocking on the door of old made by their standards. I look at the scene and I am amazed that I am only a year older than she is.
But the many diaries, journals, letters and unpublished writings of women at that time and beyond, attest to just how many preferred poverty to the total loss of all freedom and sovereignty. Marriage as the only economic option doesn't make it a "fortunate alliance". Widowhood often led to the same experience of poverty, as Mrs Bennet would experience should she be widowed at this point. The irony of Charlotte's marriage in terms of the entailment is a very important subtle plot point by Austen that critics rarely discuss. Charlotte shifts her future, and in so doing, Mrs Bennet faces the risk. And of course, if Austen herself had married, it is very unlikely we'd be here having this conversation.
Being an unmarried woman is more tolerable nowadays. It's not that terrifying, like it used to be before us. Still not a desirable situation, even though a chorus of people around would sing to you that it's OK. It's not OK. It's simply more tolerated by the society nowadays.
The Best Ever Version and adaptation made! 1995 - Beautifully and Perfectly done. Magnificent actors with their very high level of excellence in portraying all their roles individually and collaborating as group performance overall is superb! The soundtrack and costumes were masterly done and magnificent which bring us to the regency era enormously and undeniably the best and great experience and feelings while watching this masterpiece interpretation of the great Ms. Jane Austen literary masterpiece of all time. Loving it so much and watching repeatedly the whole series almost everyday! Well done to all and hope to find similar story in the near future! Magnificent and Superb Adaptation!! Thank You so much!!
Each filmed version has its strong and weak points. The 1940 stylized movie has Greer Garson, who carried off the part perfectly even though she was 10 years too old for it, and it changes the Lady Catherine's role to make her a good old girl after all. The 1995 version is the most complete, but Colin Firth is just too cold and too old to be attractive to a young girl. The Kera Knightly version is the worst by far, but saved only by Matthew McFadyen's dreamy Mr. Darcy. There is another stagey BBC version where a homely David Rintoul as Darcy stalks around like a retarded stork and is laughably bad..
I love this scene. I love what Charlotte says and the meaning behind it. "I encourage him to be in his garden. I encourage him to go to Rosings every day." Real meaning: He's out of my hair! Yes I prefer my parlor. "I can bear the solitude very cheerfully." He's out of my hair! "Days pass where we don't spend more than a few minutes in each other's company." He's out of my hair! Too bad that doesn't include the nights, dear Charlotte. Love how Lizzy keeps commenting on the beneficial exercise. She daren't say "Mr. Collins is too fat. He needs exercise!"
I also love love, however, I do not at all think there is any sadness to Charlotte's situation because I greatly enjoy my own company. The way Charlotte found a way of avoiding her husband for her peace of mind is brilliant. For example, I think even in love, the best love version possible, peace of mind is still not always guaranteed. So if I cannot find a love equatable to Elizabeth's and Darcy's, I would be equally happy and content with being single (today times since I can work for myself) or like Charlotte during those days because I like the less manual type of work. I would like to ask/assume that Charlotte was a gentleman's daughter too right? Meaning she was not accustomed to poverty and being a maid for example. Getting married allowed her to maintain her usual lifestyle. In the day of today, I am got used to school learning and writing and thinking and I hope to have this support me and so I do not need Mr Collins, however, I could still choose a seemingly similar to Charlottes situation by just giving up on hoping for my perfect love. I have the advantage of still marrying later, unlike Charlotte of course, but I can also choose to ignore love all in all because either way, love isn't perfect. As for the horrors of the past for women to not have independence or a chance at independence, that is a whole other topic, a vexing one. I am glad I was born during this time because I hate depending on people, my parents and friends included
I love how relentlessly rational Charlotte is. She knew she'd be getting a silly husband and know-it-all patroness, she made the decision that that'd be the lesser evil to being, mocked and very lucky if obe of her siblings might take her in, and in return for a 'comfortable home' she is being as good a wife as she can be, including treating her husband respectfully. Meaning: she far is ahead of Mr Bennett.
Let's not forget that Austen has Mr Bennet refer to "the grief of being unable to respect your partner in life". She toys with Charlotte's theory that a comfortably-off husband you don't care for, is better than no husband. But in truth, Austen (like Lizzie) regards such a course with horror. With regard to pretending to be ignorant of your potential partner's faults, Lizzie tells Charlotte "You know that is not sound".
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Of course you can! But you live nowadays. You won't want to be an old maid in those time. You won't want to be an old maid even nowadays, although it's considered more tolerable and less terrifying now. Everything will be good with you, for you are a nice young woman.
Poor Lizzy, don't feel pity for Charlotte. Finally, you marry the disagreeable Mr Darcy, although you were in fond of Mr Wickham. Life keeps always unexpected 😮 surprises in the end.
It's almost funny reading comments written by people who apply an insistent 21st Century Western filter to historical realities. This is why learning history is important - so you can contextualise and more fully understand why people did the things they did, and how society was structured.
I think Charlotte was already loving Collins by being wise in managing her time with him and in encouraging his pursuits. In the book she is already pregnant when Lizzy visits her. She was too blessed to be stressed. Many seem to imagine no love in her. I imagine love and much wisdom. What Lizzy wants is perfection and she holds out for it. Of course Darcy had much to change before she loved him. I don't know..... such conditions on love: is it possible? probable? Seems kind of far-fetched. The match that Charlotte made was a good one because of her own character. Perhaps each woman knew her own limits and each had their own price to pay or to demand in return. What can each of us give and what must we never concede? Certainly marriage does not have to be what is demanded today, which is each of us must have our own way with no concessions. And today the traditional role of wife and mother is considered vulgar by far and wide, which is NOT what neither Lizzy nor Charlotte thought.
It’s like a full time job to be someone wife without loving...i hope Charlotte will find with the tome some affection for her husband. Most covenient marriage start wit(ph stranger but after spending so much time under the same roof, share the food and the bed...you might learn to appreciate the other one.
Few marriages of that era were love matches. Among the privileged class, they were arranged by the parents, or were marriages of convenience. Women had little power of choice in those days. They could only hope for marriage to a kind man and a comfortable home. Imagine how much worse things were for the poor.
Alliance us a beautiful word for the circonstance. Honnestly Charlotte just get herself a full time job. Living with someone you don't and won't love is so sad. Yes you will live confortably but just wish time past even more faster everyday. Her golden cage.
yushi911 what kind of job? There weren’t very many options open to women at the time, and even fewer to a woman in her position - any kind of paid work would have meant losing her position in society, which was everything back then. Plus there no jobs for women that earned enough to have kept her in any kind of comfort - she would have had to work herself to death just to keep food on the table and a roof over her head. Frankly, marrying a guy she can barely stand, but who provides her with a very comfortable life and leaves her to do whatever she wants all day was the best option for a woman who wasn’t beautiful, young and/or rich enough to have hopes of marrying someone she might love.
Ok, I understand that you are seeing this through a very modern lense. But Charlotte Lucas was the daughter of knight. She could NOT get a job. Her job IS to marry well. That is the job of young women during that time. Charlotte could have cared for Maria, her sister's children, or become a governess, at worst. Those are not good options. It means unending work, with someone else being your boss, and never being sure where your home is, and no lovers. By marrying Mr. Collins, she got her own household, and moved out of town, and eventually, will stand to gain the Bennet house. I would hate to marry Mr. Collins as well, but if she wanted a slavishly devoted husband and just those things, she got them. She made it possible so that her sister will not have to be stuck in Merryton, and her parents have a safety in case their fortunes fall.
Charlotte did really well for herself in the end! She saw her situation with clear eyes, she knew she had to make a good match if she didn't want to end an old maid - and she did! She has a pretty house, a husband who is kind and courteous and isn't the town drunk - she and Collins might even learn to love each other in the end. I think she had a very happy ending, all things considered.
@Zen Canuck ASMR Very well said!!
Kind and courteous? What the? He is no such thing. Austen makes a point of his shocking discourtesy. And his cruelty to the Bennets over Lydia's disgrace is phenomenal.
@Zen Canuck ASMR there is not a shred of wisdom in it. It is just a manifest of the horrific circumstances facing women like Charlotte.
@Zen Canuck ASMR She jumped at the opportunity right away. Without losing an minute.
@@lizziebkennedy7505 Yes, I had forgotten about that plot point. Thank you for reminding me. While absolutely agreeing with you about Mr. Collins' flaws, I still think Charlotte was a lot better off than a lot of girls of her time. She was wise, and she made a pretty good match.
David Bamber - all scenes in which he appears..off the scale character acting.
The best Mr Collins
Such an obsequious little mouse of a man. Superb portrayal by David Bamber.
It's easy to feel sorry for Charlotte in today's light, but back then she did indeed make a good alliance. An unmarried woman was a sorry thing until fairly recently in human history, having to gain worth through the status of a husband instead of by her own efforts. Thank god we've moved beyond that!
And she was 27 by that time. Knocking on the door of old made by their standards. I look at the scene and I am amazed that I am only a year older than she is.
Perhaps better than Mrs Bennet...
But the many diaries, journals, letters and unpublished writings of women at that time and beyond, attest to just how many preferred poverty to the total loss of all freedom and sovereignty. Marriage as the only economic option doesn't make it a "fortunate alliance". Widowhood often led to the same experience of poverty, as Mrs Bennet would experience should she be widowed at this point. The irony of Charlotte's marriage in terms of the entailment is a very important subtle plot point by Austen that critics rarely discuss. Charlotte shifts her future, and in so doing, Mrs Bennet faces the risk. And of course, if Austen herself had married, it is very unlikely we'd be here having this conversation.
Being an unmarried woman is more tolerable nowadays. It's not that terrifying, like it used to be before us. Still not a desirable situation, even though a chorus of people around would sing to you that it's OK. It's not OK. It's simply more tolerated by the society nowadays.
@@Filiomena It's not okay to be an unmarried woman?
When life did not bestow you with beauty nor wealth in the Regency era, you need to be wise, Charlotte Lucas had demonstrated that to us.
The Best Ever Version and adaptation made! 1995 - Beautifully and Perfectly done. Magnificent actors with their very high level of excellence in portraying all their roles individually and collaborating as group performance overall is superb!
The soundtrack and costumes were masterly done and magnificent which bring us to the regency era enormously and undeniably the best and great experience and feelings while watching this masterpiece interpretation of the great Ms. Jane Austen literary masterpiece of all time.
Loving it so much and watching repeatedly the whole series almost everyday! Well done to all and hope to find similar story in the near future!
Magnificent and Superb Adaptation!! Thank You so much!!
Each filmed version has its strong and weak points. The 1940 stylized movie has Greer Garson, who carried off the part perfectly even though she was 10 years too old for it, and it changes the Lady Catherine's role to make her a good old girl after all. The 1995 version is the most complete, but Colin Firth is just too cold and too old to be attractive to a young girl. The Kera Knightly version is the worst by far, but saved only by Matthew McFadyen's dreamy Mr. Darcy. There is another stagey BBC version where a homely David Rintoul as Darcy stalks around like a retarded stork and is laughably bad..
The advertisement at the end, as if to say “Find your own Mr.Collins!” 😂😂🤣🤣
I thought the same thing, so funny!
Ya know that markdown shelf......
I love this scene. I love what Charlotte says and the meaning behind it. "I encourage him to be in his garden. I encourage him to go to Rosings every day." Real meaning: He's out of my hair! Yes I prefer my parlor. "I can bear the solitude very cheerfully." He's out of my hair! "Days pass where we don't spend more than a few minutes in each other's company." He's out of my hair! Too bad that doesn't include the nights, dear Charlotte. Love how Lizzy keeps commenting on the beneficial exercise. She daren't say "Mr. Collins is too fat. He needs exercise!"
Nights are necessary.The son is a guarantee that she will be well off until the end in Longbourn.
I also love love, however, I do not at all think there is any sadness to Charlotte's situation because I greatly enjoy my own company. The way Charlotte found a way of avoiding her husband for her peace of mind is brilliant. For example, I think even in love, the best love version possible, peace of mind is still not always guaranteed. So if I cannot find a love equatable to Elizabeth's and Darcy's, I would be equally happy and content with being single (today times since I can work for myself) or like Charlotte during those days because I like the less manual type of work. I would like to ask/assume that Charlotte was a gentleman's daughter too right? Meaning she was not accustomed to poverty and being a maid for example. Getting married allowed her to maintain her usual lifestyle. In the day of today, I am got used to school learning and writing and thinking and I hope to have this support me and so I do not need Mr Collins, however, I could still choose a seemingly similar to Charlottes situation by just giving up on hoping for my perfect love. I have the advantage of still marrying later, unlike Charlotte of course, but I can also choose to ignore love all in all because either way, love isn't perfect.
As for the horrors of the past for women to not have independence or a chance at independence, that is a whole other topic, a vexing one. I am glad I was born during this time because I hate depending on people, my parents and friends included
I love how relentlessly rational Charlotte is. She knew she'd be getting a silly husband and know-it-all patroness, she made the decision that that'd be the lesser evil to being, mocked and very lucky if obe of her siblings might take her in, and in return for a 'comfortable home' she is being as good a wife as she can be, including treating her husband respectfully.
Meaning: she far is ahead of Mr Bennett.
Let's not forget that Austen has Mr Bennet refer to "the grief of being unable to respect your partner in life". She toys with Charlotte's theory that a comfortably-off husband you don't care for, is better than no husband. But in truth, Austen (like Lizzie) regards such a course with horror. With regard to pretending to be ignorant of your potential partner's faults, Lizzie tells Charlotte "You know that is not sound".
Still looking for Mr Right. ????????? Why enjoy this classic film movie 1995. Always Love so many Love story’s. Truly amazing story find True Love in this world. Thank You.
Please, don't wish me such fate! I'd rather be single for the rest of my days . I can provide my own security.
Of course you can! But you live nowadays. You won't want to be an old maid in those time. You won't want to be an old maid even nowadays, although it's considered more tolerable and less terrifying now. Everything will be good with you, for you are a nice young woman.
I find that I like working , but only part time. Eventually most jobs and most marriages are not 100% agreeable.
Poor Lizzy, don't feel pity for Charlotte. Finally, you marry the disagreeable Mr Darcy, although you were in fond of Mr Wickham. Life keeps always unexpected 😮 surprises in the end.
It's almost funny reading comments written by people who apply an insistent 21st Century Western filter to historical realities. This is why learning history is important - so you can contextualise and more fully understand why people did the things they did, and how society was structured.
I think Charlotte was already loving Collins by being wise in managing her time with him and in encouraging his pursuits. In the book she is already pregnant when Lizzy visits her. She was too blessed to be stressed. Many seem to imagine no love in her. I imagine love and much wisdom. What Lizzy wants is perfection and she holds out for it. Of course Darcy had much to change before she loved him. I don't know..... such conditions on love: is it possible? probable? Seems kind of far-fetched. The match that Charlotte made was a good one because of her own character. Perhaps each woman knew her own limits and each had their own price to pay or to demand in return. What can each of us give and what must we never concede? Certainly marriage does not have to be what is demanded today, which is each of us must have our own way with no concessions. And today the traditional role of wife and mother is considered vulgar by far and wide, which is NOT what neither Lizzy nor Charlotte thought.
It’s like a full time job to be someone wife without loving...i hope Charlotte will find with the tome some affection for her husband. Most covenient marriage start wit(ph stranger but after spending so much time under the same roof, share the food and the bed...you might learn to appreciate the other one.
Few marriages of that era were love matches. Among the privileged class, they were arranged by the parents, or were marriages of convenience. Women had little power of choice in those days. They could only hope for marriage to a kind man and a comfortable home. Imagine how much worse things were for the poor.
The way Liz looks at her after the closet scene her eyes are literally like REALLY
Imagine waking up to Mr Collins every morning........
No ......I'd rather be that old maid.
That's why men had to control us. They know that, unlike them, we'd rather be alone.
Alliance us a beautiful word for the circonstance. Honnestly Charlotte just get herself a full time job. Living with someone you don't and won't love is so sad. Yes you will live confortably but just wish time past even more faster everyday. Her golden cage.
yushi911 what kind of job? There weren’t very many options open to women at the time, and even fewer to a woman in her position - any kind of paid work would have meant losing her position in society, which was everything back then. Plus there no jobs for women that earned enough to have kept her in any kind of comfort - she would have had to work herself to death just to keep food on the table and a roof over her head. Frankly, marrying a guy she can barely stand, but who provides her with a very comfortable life and leaves her to do whatever she wants all day was the best option for a woman who wasn’t beautiful, young and/or rich enough to have hopes of marrying someone she might love.
That's what sugar daddies are for
@@ForteExpresso Basically, Mr. Collins is a sugar daddy.
Ok, I understand that you are seeing this through a very modern lense. But Charlotte Lucas was the daughter of knight. She could NOT get a job. Her job IS to marry well. That is the job of young women during that time. Charlotte could have cared for Maria, her sister's children, or become a governess, at worst. Those are not good options. It means unending work, with someone else being your boss, and never being sure where your home is, and no lovers. By marrying Mr. Collins, she got her own household, and moved out of town, and eventually, will stand to gain the Bennet house. I would hate to marry Mr. Collins as well, but if she wanted a slavishly devoted husband and just those things, she got them. She made it possible so that her sister will not have to be stuck in Merryton, and her parents have a safety in case their fortunes fall.
@@katherinewilson1853 So is Darcy.
That creepy finger wave he does lol..
That vomitous wave at 3:07 !
😆 I was thinking that Charlotte was about to vomit …and then I read your comment, “vomitous wave”!!!😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
Peter Pettigrew
"We ain't f9cking."
Well he is. It isn't something they do together.
Actually, Charlotte gets pregnant by the end of the novel.
I'm lost. Why did Char marry Mr. Icky ?
He is not what I would deem “icky”, but it was 100% for money and a comfortable home.
As Maxim Gorky observed, not one character ever does a lick of work--where does their money come from?
I get the money thing etc. But i cant find her
S C L no hes icky, sweats
As I've gotten older, , I get Charlitte- only I'd take a lover ....
😖🔫
So, basically Charlotte cheated Mr. Collins, by marrying him without the intention for a happy marriage.
Charlotte didn't cheat anyone. Marriages were alliances back then.
And Charlotte is wise enough to know how to manage him without him being aware of it, so that he is happy. He showed us in the clip that he was so.
But he IS happy in the marriage.