I’m from Mexico and the government weather department was in fact asking people to leave the beach and find shelter because it was a “Tropical Storm “ @ 7:00 pm….. 5 hours later it became a CAT-5 hurricane. It was really weird… and there’s actual footage of this event,that nobody can explain.
Pretty late on this but I’ve been researching and tracking hurricanes for years and Otis is on a whole other level. The other factor that some could argue aided in strengthening even more than the warm waters was the jet stream to the north. Models expected this to tear Otis apart but instead, the jet streak stayed further north and actually aided in the outflow, leading to rapid intensification. Saw the same thing with Ian in 2022.
Just to clarify,.Otis is the first Cat 5 landfall in Mexico's Pacific Coast. We've already been impacted in the past by another four Cat 5 landfalling hurricanes
Over 20 years ago I started asking the question “what is the oil down there for”?… The preface being that we understand the interconnectedness of different bio systems on this space rock and how cutting down a forest here can create a dust storm there and land on a glacier even further over there, kind of interconnecting… So how do these big seas of crude play into this? I started asking a class of students I was teaching at the time, which over the next few years led me to being in contact with geo focused scientists from all over the continent… One of the more interesting answers (vs the more typical “hmmm, never thought of that” reply I was often met with at the time) was that they act not only as carbon sinks ( the #1 most obvious response) but also as geothermal sinks… That they absorb and then release heat from the earth’s substrates in a generally gradual manner that has in part allowed for the development of our current level of civilization… So without all those pockets of gentle geothermal expression,,, we get (more) less gentle ones… Anyone guess what that might do to weather patterns? 😉😂
@@nickc3657 right? But of course that’s not necessarily where this pattern started. While I recognize the concept of the Anthropocene I also recognize that humans are part of the earth’s greater ecology. We are quite literally made up of the stuff of this planet.
Wow! Great thinking! I understand and support this theory, and I then also have to apply it to and question what effect the endlessly depleting aquifers also have. I have a theory on weather and geologic action modeling that I've never heard of, and I've no idea who to promote it to or if it's possible. It's based on using energy in feed from the sun and various natual and anthro influenced reactive energies on earth, such as seismic, volcanic, ocean temps and currents, major storm and weather events and even mass volume displacements, as you mention with oil, but all converted into wave forms to try and extrapolate short and long patterns. The idea comes from learning about fractals and their repeating patterns. I know this is a very vague explanation of very complex modeling, but I wonder if converting disparate enegy forms to fractal patterns could create commonality in modeling and simplify the complexity. Sorta a Rosetta stone translator if that makes any sense. Any thoughts or ideas on this?
@@marcariotto1709Really interesting ideas… I would imagine the massive shift of water out of aquifers into the surface “streams” and eventually either into the oceans or atmosphere by evaporation have also affected global patterns. The earth cycles of course can and would eventually create balance, whether or not those processes are conducive to human habitation or not. Also some interesting theories “afloat” around cycles of polar ice melts introducing so much more water into the oceans and eventually having effects on axial tilt etc… This idea formed for me a couple of decades back when I was being more thoroughly introduced to theories around interactive global biosystems and the whole butterfly effect concept applied to larger scale phenomena. Definitely worthwhile putting your ideas out here and there and seeing what comes of it. It took a few years for me to start getting interesting feedback, but it was amazing how many earth science folks I ended up just randomly meeting during the whole process.
Is there anyway for meteorologists to predict hurricanes, like Otis, better? Thank you, PBS Terra, I have learned a lot from your watching your videos! You are awesome! Also will global warming cause hurricanes to be more common in California? If so, will it be possible in the future that a hurricane could reach The San Francisco Bay area?
It’s weird to consider that we may have never learned so much about the climate and weather systems and even just physics in general if we hadn’t messed up the planet. 🫤 Warp travel soon, please? I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
What? Yes it does expect what is typically unexpected like Hurricane Beryl out of the gate I forcasted Category 4 even though the models said Category 2 when it reached Category 4 before I expected I said Category 5 was a possibility and it happened was it still unexpected yes but did I jump ahead and expect that unexpected event yes
The fossil fuel industry must pay for all of the costs of this disaster. This is a crime against humanity, how the industry has been allowed to wreck the planet without consequences.
I didn’t know your age is one billion years old, how do you know its never happened before, man hasn’t been on this earth long enough to say such a thing!
You will see more and more of these "first time" events over the coming year. 1. Grand solar minimum 2. The 4 gas giants forming a square and pulling from one side of earth around Oct/Nov 2024 (with the sun pulling from the other side). That extra electromagnetic pull will Def trigger something here on earth... FYI, the last time this formation happened was 79 AD
The gas giants were all in a line on the opposite side of Earth from the Sun during a solar minimum back in 1985. It's not rare and literally doesn't matter.
We've been keeping track of hurricanes since the 1850s and throughout that entire time the most active season was just 4 years ago in 2020. If that isn't an indicator of climate change, I don't know what is (Yes I know you were being sarcastic I just wanted to add extra info on climate change 😂)
I’m from Mexico and the government weather department was in fact asking people to leave the beach and find shelter because it was a “Tropical Storm “ @ 7:00 pm….. 5 hours later it became a CAT-5 hurricane.
It was really weird… and there’s actual footage of this event,that nobody can explain.
Even after that! They still predicted max cat of 3 !!! This was indeed weird
Just the beginning
Pretty late on this but I’ve been researching and tracking hurricanes for years and Otis is on a whole other level. The other factor that some could argue aided in strengthening even more than the warm waters was the jet stream to the north. Models expected this to tear Otis apart but instead, the jet streak stayed further north and actually aided in the outflow, leading to rapid intensification. Saw the same thing with Ian in 2022.
I wonder if hurricanes will reach category 6 or 7 in the future.
any thing above cat 5 is just going to stay as cat 5, as cat 5 is the max on the saffir simpson sclae
@@useranogrande Will scientists create more categories in case the wind speed is way too high?
@@Shonade_Malik idk would be interesting
@@useranogrande Yeah definitely.
Cat 5 essentially destroys everything on land. A 6 or 7 would... destroy the land and turn it into ocean.
Just to clarify,.Otis is the first Cat 5 landfall in Mexico's Pacific Coast. We've already been impacted in the past by another four Cat 5 landfalling hurricanes
Great information!
Wow! You are really good. Great, concise information with outstanding stage presence. Nicely done. You are going to be one of my weather go-to people.
Otis pulled a Patricia
Outstanding work here, thank you!
We got max cat 5 sane with tornados but I'm wondering when the hell there going to add a cat 6 to the charts.
There have already been storms that would be cat 7 on the scale
If you mention the date of an event always give the complete date including year…in this case it is 2023
0:09 Mexico's first category 5 hurricane? Have you forgotten about Hurricane Patricia? You know, THE strongest hurricane ever to form.
Hurricane Patricia was not a category five when it hit Mexico.
Over 20 years ago I started asking the question “what is the oil down there for”?… The preface being that we understand the interconnectedness of different bio systems on this space rock and how cutting down a forest here can create a dust storm there and land on a glacier even further over there, kind of interconnecting…
So how do these big seas of crude play into this?
I started asking a class of students I was teaching at the time, which over the next few years led me to being in contact with geo focused scientists from all over the continent… One of the more interesting answers (vs the more typical “hmmm, never thought of that” reply I was often met with at the time) was that they act not only as carbon sinks ( the #1 most obvious response) but also as geothermal sinks… That they absorb and then release heat from the earth’s substrates in a generally gradual manner that has in part allowed for the development of our current level of civilization… So without all those pockets of gentle geothermal expression,,, we get (more) less gentle ones… Anyone guess what that might do to weather patterns? 😉😂
That’s really interesting. I don’t think there’s oil off Mexico’s western coast though, from the maps I looked at at least.
@@nickc3657 right? But of course that’s not necessarily where this pattern started. While I recognize the concept of the Anthropocene I also recognize that humans are part of the earth’s greater ecology. We are quite literally made up of the stuff of this planet.
Wow! Great thinking! I understand and support this theory, and I then also have to apply it to and question what effect the endlessly depleting aquifers also have.
I have a theory on weather and geologic action modeling that I've never heard of, and I've no idea who to promote it to or if it's possible.
It's based on using energy in feed from the sun and various natual and anthro influenced reactive energies on earth, such as seismic, volcanic, ocean temps and currents, major storm and weather events and even mass volume displacements, as you mention with oil, but all converted into wave forms to try and extrapolate short and long patterns. The idea comes from learning about fractals and their repeating patterns. I know this is a very vague explanation of very complex modeling, but I wonder if converting disparate enegy forms to fractal patterns could create commonality in modeling and simplify the complexity. Sorta a Rosetta stone translator if that makes any sense. Any thoughts or ideas on this?
@@marcariotto1709Really interesting ideas… I would imagine the massive shift of water out of aquifers into the surface “streams” and eventually either into the oceans or atmosphere by evaporation have also affected global patterns. The earth cycles of course can and would eventually create balance, whether or not those processes are conducive to human habitation or not. Also some interesting theories “afloat” around cycles of polar ice melts introducing so much more water into the oceans and eventually having effects on axial tilt etc…
This idea formed for me a couple of decades back when I was being more thoroughly introduced to theories around interactive global biosystems and the whole butterfly effect concept applied to larger scale phenomena.
Definitely worthwhile putting your ideas out here and there and seeing what comes of it. It took a few years for me to start getting interesting feedback, but it was amazing how many earth science folks I ended up just randomly meeting during the whole process.
@@marcariotto1709 that sounds like the beginning of a potentially revolutionary project! I know nothing about maths or CS, but it *sounds* worthwhile
hurricane Patricia?
Tropical storm Debby could do this lmao
Seriously spooky storm
It has happened before so it’s not impossible
In this same area?
What's your point?
Is there anyway for meteorologists to predict hurricanes, like Otis, better? Thank you, PBS Terra, I have learned a lot from your watching your videos! You are awesome! Also will global warming cause hurricanes to be more common in California? If so, will it be possible in the future that a hurricane could reach The San Francisco Bay area?
I mean we should expect the unexpected. It's unlikely but never impossible. Building codes there need to be upgraded as preparation
It’s weird to consider that we may have never learned so much about the climate and weather systems and even just physics in general if we hadn’t messed up the planet. 🫤 Warp travel soon, please? I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
great video
Whoa!😢
Wow INSANE...
Woah ❤❤❤
Expecting the unexpected doesn't make any damn sense.
What? Yes it does expect what is typically unexpected like Hurricane Beryl out of the gate I forcasted Category 4 even though the models said Category 2 when it reached Category 4 before I expected I said Category 5 was a possibility and it happened was it still unexpected yes but did I jump ahead and expect that unexpected event yes
The north pacific is 2 degrees C above normal from Japan to BC..next time it might be Vancouver
I mean Vancouver max experiences Subtropical storms due to cold water current, fully tropical storms need warm water currents
The fossil fuel industry must pay for all of the costs of this disaster. This is a crime against humanity, how the industry has been allowed to wreck the planet without consequences.
how dare you!
I didn’t know your age is one billion years old, how do you know its never happened before, man hasn’t been on this earth long enough to say such a thing!
It's about the human era you silly denier
You will see more and more of these "first time" events over the coming year.
1. Grand solar minimum
2. The 4 gas giants forming a square and pulling from one side of earth around Oct/Nov 2024 (with the sun pulling from the other side). That extra electromagnetic pull will Def trigger something here on earth...
FYI, the last time this formation happened was 79 AD
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@yalak6831 you laugh now...but 12 months from now you'll be crying
@@Andy.mikhail137 have you seen the state of the world rn! I don’t need your fake science to cry every day 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@yalak6831 alright fair enough lol
The gas giants were all in a line on the opposite side of Earth from the Sun during a solar minimum back in 1985. It's not rare and literally doesn't matter.
God can hide anything in plain site
Including your grammar?
🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
great propaganda
pipe down
It’s not propaganda it’s fucking meteorology
and school system that taught you, apparently
its all bill gates' fault
Sure sure climate change isn't real...(sarcasm)
We've been keeping track of hurricanes since the 1850s and throughout that entire time the most active season was just 4 years ago in 2020. If that isn't an indicator of climate change, I don't know what is
(Yes I know you were being sarcastic I just wanted to add extra info on climate change 😂)