Gaza & Global Order: A Conversation with Yuval Noah Harari (Episode
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- Sam Harris speaks with Yuval Noah Harari about the events of October 7th and the resulting war in Gaza. They discuss the unraveling of global order, the failure of the IDF, the incompetence of the Netanyahu government, the goals of Hamas, the Saudi peace treaty, the right of Israel to exist, the status of Palestinian and Jewish refugees, victim and perpetrator narratives, compromise vs justice, the Palestinian citizens of Israel, lessons from WW2, the danger of focusing on the past, the perverse significance of the Al-Aqsa Mosque, the double standards to which Israel is held, false analogies to European colonialism, the rise of antisemitism, the future of politics in Israel, America’s role in preserving global order, the war in Ukraine, and other topics.
Yuval Noah Harari, PhD, is a historian, philosopher and bestselling author, who is considered one of the world’s most influential public intellectuals today. His books have sold 45 million copies in 65 languages. In 2019, Harari and his husband Itzik co-founded Sapienship, a social impact company specializing in content and production, with projects in the fields of education and entertainment. Sapienship’s main goal is to focus the public conversation on the most important global challenges facing the world today.
Website: ynharari.com
Twitter: @harari_yuval
November 16, 2023
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Nothing is better for my mental health than listening to TRULY smart and ethical people talk. It’s like a massage for my brain, I can relax and my brain never freezes in an attempt to make sense of what was said or to unpack which incentives are behind it.
Thank you for this episode. I think the paywall needs to be removed on this so the full contents can be shared as widely as possible. Yuval brings up some really key points at the end about the responsibilities of the intellectual elite in moments like this and how they are falling short, and reiterates the more balanced perspective that must be adopted for further catastrophes to be avoided. This message needs to be heard.
Good point. This is a serious PSA
I think you just convinced me to subscribe. Edit- I just realized why I haven’t….that really is pretty steep, and I’m a guy who has like 15 subscriptions to various services.
@@Hexadeci Especially since output has slowed.
Sam is of the mindset that he values his contribution so much he wants his prices to reflect that self importance.
@@hemanabanana6906idk what's wrong with getting paid for your work. He for sure isn't paid off by advertisers.
This one really should be released in full without a paywall..Yuval and you both raise solid points from different perspectives, and this exchange truly needs to be heard across the world in times like these.
what different perspectives? i only heard a colonialist, racist, genocidal one.
@@haithemelzabri it seems as though the comments section here overwhelmingly disagrees with your opinion. Care to specify what parts of the exchange felt those particular ways to you?
@@daviday87 you said "different perspectives"? was there a different perspective than a pro-israel one?
@@daviday87 what i heard from harari was that israel must defeat the palestinian resistance. which essentially means allowing genocide.
@@haithemelzabri interesting -- where exactly in the podcast did you hear that? Harari dedicates the first 15 minutes of the podcast to calling out Netanyahu and the illegal behaviour of the extremists in his government...Harris & Harari provided pro-peace and anti-extremism perspectives that agreed for a need to remove Netanyahu & the populist extremists in his cabinet "who put his personal interests before the national interests", along with removing Hamas, in order for moderate Palestinian & Israeli voices to work together towards peace.
Religious extremism (both messianic extremism and jihadi extremism) are spoken about in this podcast, which is different than righteous resistance, and neither voice on this podcast advocated for genocide, no matter how horrendous the realities of wars are.
I don't know how you got to your conclusions when Harari - among other poignant insights - says: "If we want to have some chance of peace in the future, we have to disarm Hamas. Of course, simultaneously, we also have to give the Palestinians a different future to give them the possibility that they can see that if they choose a different path they could live dignified lives in their homeland...And this should be Israel's warning, I think, to go back to the Saudi peace treaty and to restart the peace process with the Palestinians..."
"Now is the ground attack in the way it is conducted right now, is this the ideal way to disarm Hamas? I just don't know, that is beyond my expertise, but without some kind of military measures, obviously Hamas is not going to disarm voluntarily..."
"From a broader perspective, in most ethnic conflicts around the world, both sides tend to be victims and perpetrators at the same time. This is a very simple and banal fact, that for some reason most people seem incapable of grasping...So many people seem to refuse this simple fact of history, and think in binary terms, that one side must be 100% evil and one side must be 100% pure and just, and we just need to pick a side and this of course links to these fantasies of perfect & absolute justice, which are - historically - always destructive."
47:53 “the curse of history is the attempt to correct the past”
powerful quote
This really is how the future became so bleak*. We reconstructed our present on the foundation of a handful of dreary historical events. slavery, colonialism, and the holocaust became the focal points guiding the future of Americans - no wonder things have declined so precipitously.
@@EdwardsComment i blame “boomers” n the stoopid divisive stories they tell their kids…looks like they have to die out 1st b4 things can get better, tho then there r “zoomers” who basically r already robots/slaves. everything in cycles i guess.
That is the statement of an extremely depressed person. History is not a curse.
@@TimothyDeSomervilledepends what you mean by 'history' - looks like he means it in a quasi-Fukuyaman sense. I.e the conflict-driven present. It's an excellent quote. Even Pinker would agree with the insight, although he'd tell us the data still indicates the "curse of history" is becoming less intense and may have a cure - secular humanism!
@@TimothyDeSomerville History has many facets, a burden can be one of them.
These should be released in full. Episodes that you believe “actually” need to be heard. I mean, you know you’re a smart dude and do “make sense” and this logic needs to be released to the world. A topic like this is a good example of what needs to be heard. If you want to continue making a difference (you will either way) release then in full… I guarantee it will require people to think about what and why they believe what they say. We need that today lol. Good job Sam as always!
I agree. But he is also making a living. I believe he will release the full podcast on CZcams in the near future because , like you said, it really is too important to just be heard by a select few.
@@lilithskybluesubscribers can now share the full episode to anyone they like
subs are free if you ask
@kietapukisas132 nice bit of subtle antisemitism there...
@@kietapukisas132 you muppet
Sam, you never cease to amaze me with your intelligence and excellent guests. This podcast was unbelievably good and thought-provoking. I’m glad I got to hear the entire discussion. I agree that, on this particular episode, perhaps the paywall could be removed. It’s up to you, of course, but your and Yuval’s entire discussion should be heard by everyone.
I was thinking the same thing. The parallels between the Israeli government and what a good portion of the US population wants to bring back are fairly obvious and I would HOPE might bring some people to see the risks to democracy and in turn the world order.
You can now share links of the full episodes where anyone can access
Hi there Bots! 👋😊
@@ricardoalvarado1109 my channel is 10 years old and I have a very authentic posting history. The op’s channel is 16 years old and he has a posting history. The other commenter’s channel is 12 years old. You just can’t believe what you’re seeing.
@@ricardoalvarado1109Is Sam paying these Bots? Or is it the enlightenment bots? Who do you think these bots are?
For the sake of world peace please release the entire episode. Sam, this will be one of your best contributions to the world.
Sam, as an Israeli I can tell you that Yuval represents the secular leftist view of the situation. They are the rulling minority. Most of the Israelis tell a different story, which you don't hear it. It creates confirmation bias. Please talk to Amir Avivi, Gershon Hacohen, Mordechai Kedar, Caroline Glick, Ran Baratz, Gadi Taub and others.
Yeah what are the odds? Harari's views will resonate with those of Harris himself. Confirmation bias is a thing you know.
Completely agree - Natanyahu was voted in by a public who knew his policies - this interview was so biased I had to turn it off half way through
@@RivkakvirMost Israeli's want Netanyahu out.
@@Reel___ so they can vote him out at the next elections - unlike Hamas in Gaza
@@Reel___ The next election will decide - nothing to sweat about. Israel has elections so all is good .... now let's focus on Hamas who don't hold elections.
The rant about 48 minutes in is really heavy art, the voice, the quality of the recording itself, this man’s personal position in regard to his famous work, what he says. Historic document of a conversation here. Peace.
I would love to hear a response on that from any leader from the Arabic world.
Yuval the example of relations between Poland and Ukraine is the best. As I Pole, I never expected that despite the genocide in Volhynia, about 60,000 Poles died , Poles and Ukrainians would be friends in the future. Today, about 1 million refugees from Ukraine are in Poland. These are well-educated people who work in Poland to earn their living. I have many friends among them. I hope that they feel at home in Poland and that after the war they will be able to safely return home to Ukraine or stay in Poland. 🇵🇱❤🇺🇦
I wish that the Israeli and Palestinian nations will also become friends🇵🇸❤🇮🇱
keep on wishing, but you forget that these peoples, their religions and what it stand for are not compatible, i am refering to Israel and the Palastinians - the polish goverment was wise enough, after seeing whats happening in western countries, like France, GB, Belgium and Germany, not to let hundreds of thousands muslims come to poland.....think of the terrible attacks in Paris, London, Bruxells or Berlin.....experience Berlin Kreuzberg, Wedding or Neukölln or the outskirts of Paris......
They were only allowed because they were white 😂
In this interview Yuval defined peace as something which doesn't give absolute justice to anybody but gives a better future for everybody. Those are truly wise words, that's the best definition of peace.
Great episode. Don’t always agree with Yuval, but excellent listen nonetheless. Thank you.
On what don’t you agree
A wisely reasoned, knowledgeable discussion. Thank you.
Speaking as a non-Jewish American who has been through the war in israel for 7 weeks until being able to leave for Norway, I completely agree with Yuval's observations and insights. I went there to help take hospice care of an elderly woman a week before the attacks happened. I have no national connection to Israel, but the severity of the terror attacks hit every bone in my body. I saw videos from first responders and terrorist body cams, nothing could explain what that was.. it will take a lifetime to find the words. Thank you guys for talking so succinctly about this.
Hey, hope you made it safely back home. I appreciate your perspective, it is hard to explain the pain to those who haven't been through it.
Love from Israel ❤
32:45 - It's a point that always comes to mind, even though it's a kind of "whataboutism" argument. All my Israeli family members originated from Arab nations. They had no interest in leaving their home, which they had lived in for generations, but had no choice but to leave and retreat to Israel. And now they are called "occupiers." They're refugees, forced from their homes, and now they're living and supporting a country that let them in.
That is precisely the reason why Israel is so important.
When push comes to shove people haven’t stood up for Jews. So they need a state and a safe haven of their own.
The “Palestinians” can damn well find new homes among their Arab neighbors. But the Arabs won’t let them only because of Israel.
@@infidelheretic923 I think your comment is racist and anti-semitic since Arabs are Semitic.
@@infidelheretic923That’s exactly right! What I don’t agree with, however, is Netanyahu being blamed. As much as I respect Professor Harari, I disagree with his views about Netanyahu and Trump.
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I have mixed feelings about both of them.
Trump is a corrupt wannabe dictator who ought to be in prison. But I’m fine with his decision to move americas embassy to Jerusalem.
A broken clock is right twice a day.
This is the point the Pro-Palestine lobby never seem to grasp. Their historical context doesn't extend beyond the last 100 years.
Yuval Noah Harari - Thank you, thank you, thank you!!
I’m a simple man. I see a conversation between Sam & Yuval, and I’m happy.
You are a simple man. And soon you’ll own nothing and be happy.
@@Mac-ku3xuyou sound like a fun person to be around.
@@Mac-ku3xuOwning things doesn't lead to happiness.
@@Mac-ku3xu I see the subtle reference to WEF agenda given that Harrari is a part of it. Smoooth operator
@@aaronpannell6401 And neither does living in the metaverse pumped full of anti-depressants.
Excellent work Sam!
Thank you for this episode 🙏
This latest podcast of Sam is yet another unbelievably good and thought provoking . Mr.Yuval brings up some really key points and historical perspectives of the current situation . Appreciate his balanced perspective for further catastrophes to be avoided .This entire discussion must be heard by everyone.
Wonderful podcast. Thank you Sam and Yuval🙏🏻 The situation is dire and far more complex than I realized.
I love both Sam Harris and Yuval Noah Harari, but what a potent combination the two of them are together! Sam, thank you so much for asking intelligent and meaningful questions that helped further our understanding.
This is the most informative, enlightened and enlightening discussion I have heard on this awful issue - and I’ve listened to a fair few in the last weeks. Very valuable contribution to public understanding, I think
Thank you Sam , care ftom people, who live in other countries really important!
It's the first time I've heard a story like this from the scene. It was useful to familiarize myself with the details of the situation so that I could create a picture of everything. I'm from Europe and there was a war here and we came to peace, of course, with some compromise. Life without peace is not worth living.
In what world is it ok to Learn about the reality from a guy that belongs politically to the extreme progressive far left?? It is the same as intrerviewing Greta for a better understanding of the real climate status.
"To be a scientist is to be naive. We are so focused on our search for truth, we fail to consider how few actually want us to find it. But it is always there, whether we see it or not, whether we choose to or not. The truth doesn't care about our needs or wants. It doesn't care about our governments, our ideologies, our religions. It will lie in wait for all time. And this, at last, is the gift of Chernobyl. Where I once would fear the cost of truth, now I only ask: "What is the cost of lies?"
Valery Legasov
Thanks for that. Wish I had said it.
Great episode. I wanted to subscribe to listen to the whole conversation but I’m not doing the whole year. Is there a way to sub for a month or purchase an episode?
Email and say you cannot afford a subscription. You will get a year for free.
It would be great to see you interview "Son of Hamas" Mosab Hassan Yousef. His speech at UN was inspiring.
I actually sent Sam a mail with this suggestion a couple of weeks ago
Excellent excellent excellent episode!
another thought provoking discussion. Thank you for doing this
Thought provoking????
In what world is it ok to Learn about the reality from a guy that belongs politically to the extreme progressive far left?? It is the same as intrerviewing Greta for a better understanding of the real climate status.
Israeli here. Thanks for the depth and breadth. Good and bad.
I wish I could just subscribe to CZcams and get full episodes but please keep up the good work Sam enjoy even half episodes with your guests frequently
I’m an Israeli who considers herself a left-winged liberal, and 100% agree with Yuval’s point of view. I wish we had more honest, open-minded, intelligent, brave leaders in Israel who could take us in the direction Yuval was outlining.
I’m also a subscriber of the podcast so I got to hear this episode in full and of course agree with the many comments here suggesting the paywall for this one should be removed.
Well done, excellent conversation. Keep up the good work, Sam and Yuval.
You can't be left wing and a colonizer
There is no two state solution! Wake up ! The Arabs have been offered over and over and refused
I am really having hard time to grasp the ignorance of Sam Harris about the difference between the muslim people and the fundamentalist islam. He is openly suggesting lets strat a religious war than after the muslims suffer enough we will find a way to deal with them. As an atheist I am really having difficulty to understand the logic in that.
I feel sorry for ppl like you who become atheists listening to these new atheists morons. Most of these are atheists with Jewish backgrounds who defend barbarism of Talmud but attack every other religion. Rn Christianity is almost dead so now their target is Islam.
Thank you 🙏🏻
Thanks for trying to keep it real🇨🇦
Release the full story please.. ❤
Excellent conversation, Sam and Yuval! I am deeply encouraged that thinkers like you two are around today, providing some sense of stability amidst the general chaos.
In what world is it ok to Learn about the reality from a guy that belongs politically to the extreme progressive far left?? It is the same as intrerviewing Greta for a better understanding of the real climate status.
Brilliant. Thank you! ❤
Thank you bringing voices of reason to the world, Sam.
What an excellent conversation. It cannot be otherwise considering the two brilliant minds chatting.
In what world is it ok to Learn about the reality from a guy that belongs politically to the extreme progressive far left?? It is the same as intrerviewing Greta for a better understanding of the real climate status.
I'd love to see Sam live one day as a Palestinian in the west bank and see how his view of this situation changes.
YES & YES!!
Sam is a champion of clarity and common sense. Everyone should hear this.
You've gotta get lots of hatred over that avatar. Not everybody realizes that Marx wasn't even Lenin, let alone Stalin or Pol Pot.
One man’s clarity is another’s clutter
You are a champion among followers. Everyone knows what you think before you speak and that's why they cheer. Don't worry, don't fret, you are very much in the majority. Live for the likes. You have no free will. Eat it!
Historians can be politically naive sometimes. Yuval said that Hamas did this because it wanted to stop a peace treaty between Saudis and Israelis. He might be right but I need to remind you that Arab governments don’t represent public opinion. Arab leaders are a bunch of authoritarians who are interested solely in staying in power. They were doing this for their own sake not for the sake of peace in the regions. UAE, Bahrain, Morocco and before that Jordan and Egypt signed peace treatments with the Israelis. How did that reflect on the ground for Palestinians?
plus he ignores the part of Gaza being concentration camp a good reason for Hamas to strike back and not wanting a Peace that since 1967 has not been respected by the Israeli side.
How wonderful to follow an INTELLIGENT exposé and discussion. I am so fed up with the constant emotionally dramatic diatribe of wokeism. Thank you Mr. Harris. I learned a lot more about the complexity of the situation and particularly about the internal politics, leading up to the current chaos. (I am subscribed BTW). I am slowly building my list of people I can follow on You Tube, people who are working from an intelligent, where is the truth, basis. It almost goes without saying that you are on my list. Thank you again. Not only are your podcasts "a breath of fresh air", they are a necessity. Please continue.
Yuval Harari and Sam Harris, thank you so much for this fascinating and illuminating interview.
This is a treat
Yuval’s comment about the fantasy of absolute justice and it’s destructiveness is just *chef’s kiss*-“Only a Sith Lord deals in absolutes”
The result of 14 years? I don't think so - this has been decades in the making. What you sow is what you reap and you sowed the seeds decades ago!
What are you talking about?
Can't you understand a question and 2 sentences? @@Agtsmirnoff
@@Cloud-fp2mb IF you're going to ask a question, time stamp the part of the video you are referring to. 14 years of WHAT?
The complaint isn't that some people are more elite than others; it's in denying that they ever govern in accordance with their own self interests and priorities, or even suffer from myopias induced by the cliques with which they travel. The particular way that the elite is choosing to govern must also be a legitimate subject of potential criticism -- in a democracy. People are not simply obliged to pay the traditional deference accorded to nobles.
Yeah, that bit in the podcast told me all I need to know about Yuval.
Yuval was simply saying that elites were needed for their competence in running Israel's most important institutions, which are now failing. Sure, criticize the elites all you want, but a democracy requires a competently administered government.
@randyevermore9323 competence, it seems isn't a primary concern in this modern world. Diversity, equity, and inclusion is the goal, which flys in the face of a meritocratic society.
@@wayneshore4136 "Diversity, equity, and inclusion is the goal . . ." Yuval's point, though, was that competence in Israel had been eliminated due to "deep state" conspiracy nonsense, just as in the U.S.
Much appreciated for the example of Poland offering hope.
Excellent.
Your last episode was perfect Sam, well done. Just starting this one.
Slight difference between the Ukraines/Lithuanians and Hamas is that the former do not have a written declaration for the total eradication of the Poles. And as for returning lost lands, the results are there for the reading regarding Israel and her neighbours since approximately 1947. Sometimes one must learn from the past to prevent the repeat of same.
Great discussion!
Two of the bests of our time!
“Useless eater” checking in for Yuval’s podcast
Gabriel eating uselessly as always.
@@swaggitypigfig8413
“nom nom nom”
*hear my brain stretching as I meditate and eat vegan bugs*
I appreciate Yuvals insights, but Sam Harris continually side steps the accountability of Israel for Palestinian casualties, by fully blaming Hamas.
He's a fool
“The curse of history is to try to correct the past.” Move forward.
When two bright minds discuss, it is fire works! 🎆
Great episode, and so much needed voice of reason. Yuval was clearly the right person to go to learn more about the issue,
This conversation, like the last one on this topic, is very elucidating. It is clear that Hamas needs to end in order for Muslims and Jews to find peace.
Just as the IRA needed to end for the Irish and British to find peace. It really is that simple, isn't it?
@@F--B I believe so. There are certain parties that do everything to impede progress and any chance of reconciliation. They also use the power of belief as a weapon besides emphasising past grievances. Such nefarious agents, in search of power, do not tolerate opposition let alone religious reform towards civility that would force them to give up aggression and prejudice.
Muhammad's greatest invention was Jihad.
"Fighting is prescribed for you'' Koran 2: 216
“Slay them wherever you find them'' Koran 4: 89
“Fight the idolators utterly'' Koran 9: 36
@@annjames1837 It is a death cult whose growing popularity should be alarming.
49:39 onwards.. absolutely the basics everyone needs to understand
The whole thing is a must-listen but those few minutes are where the hell of hamas/jihadists and their global supporters are spelled out to be understood by anyone who's missing it
Insightful talk.
It's almost laughable to imagine Sam actually inviting a Palestinian onto his podcast. This clearly indicates his exceptional capacity for rational thought.
Hahahaha true, they might not be able to do the moral arithmetic required, to engage in smugness at the harris level.
Sam and Yuval knock it out of the park...again.
30:06 his analysis of the Israeli Arab dispute is just brilliant
Thank you
Bro debate someone who disagrees with you
This is podcast not debate
Go watch someone you agree with, if it bothers you so much.
No one is forcing you to be here.
then he would have to confront facts like all the investigations showing Israel uses human shields, or that his thought experiment is falsified
is that someone else endorsing ethnic cleansing based on empirically false claims?@@kadourimdou43
ok bot
“we have people who simply do not care about the deaths of noncombatants”
Thank you for making this amazing project it looks like philosphers, political scientists and intellectuals may have a role to play in making peace sooner than expected with social media becoming a disinformation war. It seems it's the only way to understand what's really happening nowadays..
2 giants talking! 💙💙
The first thing I want to say to you, Sam Harris, and to you Yuval Noah Harari, is that I believe you have both made the world a better place. You both speak your minds and your thoughts come often resonate from your hearts and pass through your souls to us on many, many issues that perplex modern society. The second thing I want to offer is my condolences to Yuval and his family and friends who have lost loved ones, friends, and fellow Israelis on the 7 October attacks. To quote Roosevelt: a day that will go down in infamy and never fade from the conscience of Israelis and the Jewish people and the world community. If I may, here is my opinion on what has to be done to change some things in the region. Yuval has stated that the Arab nations refuse to accept Israel as a sovereign state and this must change. This shows to me that the Arab mindset is set in concrete and nothing good will come of continuing with this refusal to accept Israel's right to exist. Next: Gaza can and never will be trusted by Israeli's living on the border with Gaza or even deep into Israel and this is where I have an idea how to kill two dilemmas with two beautiful words: wildlife sanctuary. Yes; that's right: you hear me correctly. Gaza must be transformed from the blood-soaked battleground of warring factions and a population of people living in deplorable conditions to a nature reserve for saving endangered species of plant, animal and aquatic life. This could become the Galapagos of the middle east and bring in more tourists than the pyramids. Israelis, Egyptians, Palestinians and all neighboring states could put their differences behind them and work together to save the many, many species on the verge of extinction. Our progeny would echo heartfelt thanks to us for sending them a wildlife reserve with faun and fauna brought back from extinction. This is an example of what could be accomplished: there are only 6 black tigers known to exist, for example. We could save this species by allowing them to reproduce in a protected nature reserve! The key to this dream of mine of course comes with a caveat many will say is more like a noose: a proper homeland for the Palestinians must be the cherry on the cake and this is of course where the good ship I am sailing on runs aground. Because we are going to need to re-think and re-draw some boundaries and give up some land so that the Palestinians can all live proudly on enough land to house their entire population. To recap: an ecological buffer zone must be created by evacuating Palestinians from Gaza which has been called an open prison to their own country, a patch of land that no one can claim but them and Gaza must be transformed into an oasis of the middle east cum Galapagos that would allow the deep wounds to heal that both the Israelis and the Palestinians bear from a conflict whose root cause is basically a border dispute that can only be resolved by taking dramatic steps and perhaps even using harsh methods to achieve an everlasting peace in the region. Arabs will be willing to accept Israel as a sovereign state once they see their Palestinian brothers and sisters living on their own in peace. All Arab nations and Israelis must understand that the road to peace is by listening to each other as neighbors first and use nature reserves to be buffer zones on contested lands because no one will attack a wildlife sanctuary. This Gaza war must and can be resolved with words and logic and wisdom.
Long but very well written.
I like your idea but unfortunately it's a pipe dream (I mean no disrespect). Also, you cannot reason (use logic) with extreme ideology on both sides, especially if it's religion based.
Interesting view but where do you suggest the Gazans should live?
@@OtagesBringthemhome_NOWGGGGGGGGGGreat to hear from you. It's clearly the million-dollar question and once it has been answered, there will certainly be a change in the mindset of all concerned. What I see as the only solution is that all Palestinians must have their own stretch of land and that's where the greater Arab Community comes in. There is silence coming from the Arab nations around the Gaza war and no one is offering a helping hand. This is where the UN comes in why Guterres is missing the target completely by staying in the background. What should be is that all business in the UN takes a backseat to the Gaza war and that a Palestinian state is redrawn from existing boundaries. This sounds daft coming from where we stand today, but there has to be some pain before we make any gain. We need someone to open the discussion about carving out enough land for a proper country for these poor people who are living atrociously and inhumanely while others look on as if it were a circus show.
@@tekannon7803 Existing boundries without the gaza strip and thereby moving a group of people, who wants to annihialate Israel and all Jews, even closer to Israeli's ?
Move them all of them to the West Bank would be suicide. Giving up more of Israel's own land would be suicide too.
Do do you have any other and better suggestions?
Keep in mind that Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon don't want more Palestinians due to them having very bad experiences with them in the past themselves.
Thank you for sharing this discussion. It is vital in a time where millions of people across the world are cheering for an “intifada”, tearing down posters of the kidnapped, and grossly misusing terms like “genocide” and “apartheid”
I would love if you come to Palestine and live one day there so you can decide urself if it's apartheid or not
The notions of apartheid isnt some SJW term. Its a term employed by Israeli leaders.
"More and more Palestinians are uninterested in a negotiated, two-state solution, because they want to change the essence of the conflict from an Algerian paradigm to a South African one. From a struggle against 'occupation,' in their parlance, to a struggle for one-man-one-vote." - Ehud Olmert
Justice....
Thank you. 🙏
Thanks so much for the great teachings you've always provided to us.
'teachings'?
The new generation is completely out of touch with reality and history, it'll be wise for them to take anything Mr Sam and Mr Harari say as a Lesson.
@@magicupholsterysunil3711 'new' it was same thing 30 years ago. I grew up in LA in the 80s and remember how shallow naive and selfish people became in the 90s. What you are seeing now is just an extension of that. Glad I moved permanently to Spain back in 98. I hear California is a total shit hole nowadays.
In what world is it ok to Learn about the reality from a guy that belongs politically to the extreme progressive far left?? It is the same as intrerviewing Greta for a better understanding of the real climate status.
@@yar245
Yes you said it "Reality", should be acceptable from anyone as long as it's Truthful. Anything else doesn't matter.
Yuval is not mainstream Israeli opinion. As he's discussing internal Israeli politics he could at least be honest about that
Whats the mainstream opinion?
he is, he says israel is fascist and pro apartheid and he is not 🤷🏻♂️
The Palestinians have rejected every opportunity for a state. The reason many on the right in Israel is against a Palestinian state is because they don't want a independent terrorist state right on top of Israel. Yuval is a far left liar.
@@TheMntnGHe doesn't say those things.
@@RS-uh7rz
oh he does, just not here. but I mean, other sources exist too. even yuvals own channel.
two beautiful minds...
off to the sub feed, thank you both!
Sam harris, thank you for the meditation app I learnt a lot. I write this note to say thank you for the voice of reason, common sense and kindness you offer up and send out weekly. If our world was a pot of water left on the stove to boil, that pot is skittering all over the range and could and likely sadly will tip over and burn us all. I hope not but the quickest glance at world news is not comforting not one bit. Thank you Sam harris and please don’t let those Trigonometry Stan and Ollie use their school master tone on you again, your work and insights are from a different deeper realm of learning. Listening to them in that…now listen to me Sam….tone take pops at you is like me lecturing a Llama on how to meditate……Your work is vital to me and many others we both learn and are comforted by your voice in this Babel of bitterness and anger that is the internet….To quote Yeats….the centre will not hold…the best lack all conviction and the worst are full of passionate intensity. You are of the best and have not lost a breath to a lie……Thank you
Can Sam offer a lower priced subscription for us second- and third-world citizens? I love his content BUT his pricing is exorbitant for many people living outside of the developed world, and sometimes it is exactly the rest of the world that would benefit the most by being able to listen to him. Just asking for freebies all the time is convoluted. Can you please upvote this or somehow make it known to him? Thank you.
He offers scholarships, not sure how you missed it as it’s quite prominent on his website if you look for a subscription
I can afford his subscription and for a couple of years was a paying subscriber, but his subscription fee is too expensive for what it is. I cannot justify it. And since I can afford to pay, I don't feel that I should get it for free. Thing is, Sam has a few great podcasts, but there are a whole bunch that don't interest me. I'm guessing there are many who feel as I do.
@@toby9999scholarship
You can get his subscription for free. Just go to his website and find the information about it. I did it and it was great. But as it is said here, not everything is interesting for people outside of US..
Do people even read? I said I don't want the limited "Free" subscriptions anymore, it's bothersome, it requires you to email them etc. I've already had that I want to PAY. He's just more expensive than Spotify, where I can listen to hundreds of podcasts. He charges the same price as the Disney+ subscription. I want a lower price, like $2.99-$4.99/mo for example. Not $9.99/mo.
Thanks...
Incredible
Being from Finland I pay so much respect for Harari's and Harris' views on Netanyahu who's corrupted, he became corrupted by time, by power.
It's been crystal clear just who sweet Bibi is since prime minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated 28 years ago...
As a very right wing Israeli, i agree with you.
Yuval called him a dictator lol. He’s unhinged.
All he wanted was to limit the power of unelected judges who could strike down any law that democratically elected officials passed.
He said it himself. Israel doesn’t have a constitution. In America, the Supreme Court looks to the constitution. Where do the Israeli judges look? Nowhere? They look in their own hearts and conscience, which is not how a judge is suppose to act. A judge looks at a situation and determines whether it violates the law as it is written. But if there is no law written they are able to act purely on their own judgement. They are unelected and shouldn’t have as much power as they do. Nobody elected them. And the system by which they are appointed is totally bizarre.
@@genzcurmudgeon8037exactly, he blames everything on Netanyahu who is democratically elected, not the judges
perhaps the best harris episode of all time... literally felt like verbal choreography without an extra or misplaced word... kudos to em both
In what world is it ok to Learn about the reality from a guy that belongs politically to the extreme progressive far left?? It is the same as intrerviewing Greta for a better understanding of the real climate status.
So you are describing a script?
Incredible interview
Very interesting 👍🏾
As an Israeli, Yuval has a very specific point of view on the government and why what happened happened.
I wouldn’t take any word as stone from here because the Israeli dynamic his much more complex than that.
Fair criticism.
what do you think lead up to the attack. That day isnt the beginning point of this conflict. Its years of an occupied population finally making a big move. Is that something we can agree on?
For all practical purposes, it started on October 7th. Every war has history leading up to it.
@@collectYaNeck The fact that this attack is being framed as a big move for an "occupied" population is false imo. For one, HAMAS has been committing acts of terror on Israel since they took over. Bombing, kidnappings and straight up attacks. I can agree that this was their biggest attack, but their focus has never changed from day one. That is to wipe Israel off the map..."from the river to the sea". On top of that, it widely accepted that HAMAS is not representative of the Palestinians, right? So how can this attack be representative of an "occupied" population making a big move? It is a terrorist organization that committed a major terrorist attack to continue it pursuit of its doctrine, which is wiping Israel, and Jews off the face of the earth. They're using the Palestinians as a human shield to get this done.
@@collectYaNeckno. If you don’t understand how Iran made this against Saudi Arabia, you actually see nothing.
And there are plenty of examples of disputed lands where people don’t act as violently as Hamas. This is just called radical islam and fanaticism.
33:09 The elephant in the room that doesn’t get discussed is the one state solution.
Ask yourself : why is the one state solution not even mentioned?
Over 10% of Israeli citizens are now living in the West Bank. Why not give all the people living in the West Bank a pathway to Israeli citizenship?
Wish I could afford to subscribe. Really appreciate the perspectives he brings to listeners.
It's free if you make a petition on his homepage
1st Jan '24 Great sound honest conversation. Most appreciated. Thank you
You are also appreciated, AJ! I admire your perseverence and what it gave rise to: one of the best CZcams channels with a warm, intellingent host and a funny fish who voices everything that would seem crazy for us, rational people to say 😊. Your show makes me remember me the times when there was actually something good to watch on tv and you would wait for your favourite show every week and enjoy it like the special time that it was. 😊 Anyway, just wanted to thank you and your awesome team for always making my Fridays better! Stay safe! 😊
Two freaking Titans!!! This is gonna be great !
Ok before i watch it this one is two amazing people of this dacade 😊
Yuval ,I would like to talk with you about Yugoslavia and about the conflict we living in Israel .Great perspective buy the way .
Thanks Sam for such valuable conversation
The Palestinians have rejected every opportunity for a state. The reason many on the right in Israel is against a Palestinian state is because they don't want a independent terrorist state right on top of Israel. Yuval is a far left liar.
By far the most sane commentary on and discussion of this abhorrent mess that I've come across.
Some episodes need to be released in full. Some things mean more than $.
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