Sweden: If the War Came Part 2/8 (US Soldier Reacts) Om Kriget Kom
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During the Cold War, 550 fighter pilots in the Swedish Air Force lost their lives during ordered flights.
So sad 😢🙂
It was actually 629 Swedish airmen that died during the Cold War. 550 of them were fighter pilots.
@@JustAnotherArmyVet and there are air recon photographs taken of the underside of some causeway bridges. Taken with fixed downwards pointing cameras... the only way to get such photos is to fly upside down under the bridges... at near the speed of sound...
It was also common for strike fighters to return to base with twigs and pine needles stuck in hardpoints and in joins in the airframe...
@@SonsOfLorgar 🤯
Whiskey on the rocks - U137 (I mentioned it in your previous video and I see more people recommend it now) It had nuclear weapons on board. I remember watching the news when they showed this submarine stranded in a military zone. Kind of surreal.
Thank you for posting this video. ♥
Awe, thanks for your support and insight!
@@JustAnotherArmyVet Documentary with eng sub about the Soviet submarine stuck in the Swedish archipelago: czcams.com/video/WdsezCWfRmk/video.htmlsi=DN5XP_sOzWROYSFp
"Hold the border" was the instruction given by the Swedish prime minister when he was asked by the military command how to deal with the Soviets.
@@Nubbe999 thank you for taking the time to find that and to provide the link 🙂
Yes im from Karlskrona and if you know just how complicated our archipelago is then you are really baffled how the 137 could end up inside the "borgmästarfjärden" :)
@@peo4989 137 what?
One of my uncles on my mother's side was a conscript mechanic on the J29 barrel-J32 lance in the air force, another was in the navy on a Destroyer J19-Småland, the third in the artillery 10.5 howitzers, the fourth in the engineering troops, and myself was an infantryman in I1 Svea life guard, and that's how it looked in most families from the 1940s-1990s.
Wow! Thank you and your family for it service!
U137 or S363 as the sub was called ran aground when charging batteries in the Swedish archipelago when following a Swedish secret military navigation route (because the route markings had broken). It had spied on Torpedo tests of the new Torpedo 42 but those had been delayed so it had to wait so long on the bottom that it's batteries had run out.
When it ran aground it could not back off it because a Whiskey sub can only back up using electric engines so it spent the night charging those but it still didn't work.
The next day some fishermen told the naval base there was a sub that had grounded so they checked it out thinking it was a test.
When the soviet submarine had found out by the navy it was also noticed that a Soviet group of ships was heading towards the Swedish border and would be there just before midnight.
So the navy had to scramble and repair a coastal battery that was undergoing an upgrade and they had to man the mine station around U137 as the sub conveniently had run aground in a Swedish minefield of controlled bottom mines.
The air force having been notified as well needed time to bring RB04 missiles from their secret bunkers to the Viggen strike fighters. This job was given to F6 wing.
The Swedish sub Neptun who had participated in the torpedo test loaded live torpedoes and put to sea.
About an hour before the Soviet ships will reach the border the fire control radar for the coastal battery arrives an Arte 719 as this is what was being upgraded on the battery. But it's not connected and this will take hours as all connections needs to be built. What the battery commander does is order the radar to turn on and give them updates on the ships.
When they approach the border he orders the radar to lock on the largest ship even though the radar is not connected to the guns but with no reaction.
When they are just a few minutes from the border he gives a written order to switch to war mode which is frequency hopping and the mode was not to be used in peacetime as the frequencies used where secret. But the commander reasons it's worth it to avoid fighting.
This works as the ships slow down and stop just outside the border and ask for instructions from Moscow.
That was the most tense moment of the incident which took like 10 days to resolve.
However a few days later a major scare happened when two west German cargo ships steaming through the soviet armada where mistaken for a rescue attempt.
This is when the prime minister utters the phrase "hold the border". Everything went to red alert during those 30 minutes with the navy and coastal artillery ready to fire and the air force scrambling its fighters and strike aircraft. There was a full storm raging so when the recon viggens where scrambled they did so knowing the weather was to harsh for rescue helicopters to fly, but it was these recon aircraft that verified the identity of the cargo ships.
Sounds like a scary time! Thanks for explaining
Between 1949 and 1989 there where 547 casualties from 390 accidents in the airforce, of which 441 where pilots, 96 other crewmemebers and 10 passengers.
Did any civilians on the ground get hurt or killed?
@@JustAnotherArmyVet No, I don't think so. Not even during the famous crash of a prototype JAS 39 Gripen which went down at the first air display it was at in the center of stockholm.
@@JustAnotherArmyVet Once at least. In 1960 a Lansen crashed into a house at Vikbo farm, killing 7 people.
@@isterkurt 😢
The sub incident is called "whiskey on the rocks", the sub was identified as the name U137 in the west. There is a (long) documentary on the subject called "Whiskey on the rocks - U137 på grund - dokumentär. English subtitles."
Its a great watch, has interviews with both swedish and russian people involved.
In the specific incident regarding the possible rescue attempt the soviets backed down just before entering swedish waters.
Thank you so much for your insight! I will check it out!
@@JustAnotherArmyVet Will you do it on the channel? In that case I can watch ur video instead.
@@Revament I can try to gauge interest on the channel to see if people want me
to react to it. I can definitely add it to my list for now- it looks good 🙂
@@JustAnotherArmyVet What is not said in that documentary is something we only learned a few years ago. Two of the main players in the negotiations that took place, one of the Swedes and one of the Russians met again in 2020 or 2021 and talked. We then learned that the Russian boats that were off the Swedish coast had been ordered to go in and take back their submarine by force. The Swedish military had orders to hold the coast. 30 minutes before the Russian attack was to start, the order was cancelled. We now know that we were 30 minutes from war with Russia. I'm guessing it was when the Russian attack was called off that the planes in this clip could turn around? Watch the documentary, it's good!
@@olsa76 oh wow! 30 minutes!! I will check it out 👍🙂
We knew that they had to come by air or sea. So we would do anything to stop them there. But we knew that no matter what we did, we would still be outnumbered and our airfields would be bombed. So we build the jets to be able to take of from country roads, and we built entire airbases underground. I know of one on the west coast that is 160 feet under a solid granite mountain. Built to withstand anything less than a medium yield nuke. Complete with repair facilities, hospital, and a capacity for at least 50 jets. You don't even know that it is there until you round a cliff and stand in front of the huge blast doors.
Dispersed Air Force was a key strategy. A main requirement for JAS was STOL on an ordinary road. And yes we had a command center in the basement, as did many other blocks.
STOL?
Short Take Off and Landing@@JustAnotherArmyVet
@@thomasedin764 thanks for clarifying!
If is not a word anymore. Hello from finland.😊 . Be prepared.
Good advice… Greetings from South Carolina!
12:00 The "Whiskey on the Rocks" incident was one of those times where Sweden and the USSR has a staring contest. And USSR blinked. The rescue fleet consisted of roughly a dozen warships and a Spetznaz team. As soon as they crossed into Swedish waters, they could no longer hear Swedish radio chatter. They made it 1.5km into Swedish waters, got scared and turned home. If they would have kept going it could have triggered a war. And it would have started with 12 Soviet ships on the bottom of the sea and over 1000 dead Russians in less than an hour.
czcams.com/video/ucDZ2MxubeQ/video.html
This video explains it quite well.
Great, thank you so much for sharing !
"Attackeskadern" was not a QRF - It had one purpose and that was to hit russian ships and harbours.
Thanks for your insight!
Most of the accidents was during the 50s while going from a propeller airforce to a jet engine airforce with aircraft that handled very different. 441 pilots, plus 106 crew, died during the cold war(46-89) in the Swedish airforce. When J-35 and J-37 came during the 60-80s the accidents were much lower, but several deaths happened each year, half of which I would say was aircraft related and half pilot error
My father was on one of the helicopters at the time and also hunting subs during the 80s
Did you your father have any friends that died in any helo accidents?
If you are confused about the names of the jet fighters, that is most likely because they are Swedish made (SAAB) and named in our language. "Viggen" can be translated to mean "Thunderbolt", or just the "bolt". The Viggen, in all of its variants, was a seriously impressive aircraft for its time. It was most, if not the, most advanced fighter during the 70-80's, but at the same time was described as basically being a rocket with a steering wheel :)
The engine was absolutely massive and it actually sounded like thunder when it passed overhead, so it was aptly named.
It was designed to take off and land on very short runways (in actuality civilian roads) and could reverse the engine thrust to break.
I did not know that! Thank you so much for taking the time to explain
@@JustAnotherArmyVet Viggen had triple afterburner chambers. My old man who got the chance to fly one, said it felt like being hit by a truck in the back when you slammed the throttle. It was designed to have a climb rate like nothing else to intercept incoming enemies, even high flying soviet bombers. It is the only fighter ever to achieve a target lock on a American SR71 Blackbird.
@@mikaell4111 did he enjoy being a pilot?
Been looking forward to this. :3
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I remember u-137 1981 very well. I did my military service on the island of Gotland when it happened.
Several regiments was alerted and transported to defend the harbours in slite and visby.
We did'nt even have the time to take our tanks with us. So for the moment we were infantry men...
That must have been scary! What was your MOS or job?
@@JustAnotherArmyVet i was a centurion tank gunner and had to man a machine gun at the harbour.
But scary? Naah.. not really. Most of us did'nt know what the fuzz was about. We were briefed later.
So i know the importance of controlling Gotland island. U can control the baltic sea from there.
Don't remember which U.S general that called it "an unsinkable aircraft carrier"...
@@ProgMannen U.S. Army Gen. Christopher Cavoli
I don’t know, I do know though that they had bullets flying through the helicopter when they were on UN mission in Congo 61 or 62
My respect to them! Scary times!
For more information about that incident, just google "Whiskey on the rocks" incident (pun since NATO designation for that type of submarines was "Whiskey")
Will do., thanks!
the soviet sub was rescued by the soviet navy baltic sqn.
as far as i know is that the cpn of the sub was locked up in a mental hospital.
and he died a cpuple of years after he was relesed.
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The Captain?
@@JustAnotherArmyVet yes the soviet navy blamed the captain but at the time soviet navy had strict orders to blame the decca system as faulty but the captain went against his orders and said he did it.
after this incident the swedish asw ramped up but they did nerver catch a sub after u137.
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8:35 Officially , it can be a little over 550 to 600 at most that died under the cold war .
So sad 😢🙏
Its still a great show of our "cold war aerea mindsett"!
To the pilots, they wanted brave guys, to get close to fire there autocanons!
Later and today they want calm "system operator" pilots! Fire ones "meteor" out of sight engagement, get back and get reloaded!
My respect to all pilots!!
Actually some of the military STRIL sites was so secret they were never used during peace-time. Our current scout house is the former US11 station in the LOPRA system, In peace-time, up to when it was decommissioned in 1987 it was the main communications recever hub for the air-force. The war time hub was in a moutain complex that never was used until it was decomissioned.
War-time hub US13 is more or less reased from history. It was in a moutain complex that since have been totally destroed during decomissioning.
Not that it’s possible, but, It would be interesting to get a tour of any of those old hubs.
Pilots do get killed very often and they are probably the only military people taking similar chances during war and peace. In Greece we lost one more pilot few weeks back when his plane cashed short of his airbase. Apparently he did not eject in order to avoid crashing inside a village.
Here are some videos with H.A.F. low level passes:
czcams.com/video/OBWOsfAxs64/video.html
czcams.com/video/_PF8A11AWTY/video.html
czcams.com/video/TzvXEGlA3ik/video.html
And some actual interception videos of Turkish F-16s, over Greek air space:
czcams.com/video/aaRCQnzmK9M/video.html
czcams.com/video/URZzaMAcdP8/video.html
Well said and good point. I am sorry for the loss of that pilot. I hope he is honored in some way for saving those civilians
@@JustAnotherArmyVet All Greek career military personnel that loose their lives while on peacetime duty are promoted to the terminal rank.
For offices this is a three star general and for NCOs the rank of Lt. Col.
This helps their families that get the survivors pension based on what the deceased would have taken had they completed their entire military career.
This is also the case for this pilot and also two women medical officers and an SOF NCO killed in Libya in September last year, during a humanitarian assistance mission after a storm. Their Libyan bus collided with a 4X4 private vehicle and for some reason caught fire. Although not much has been released about what exactly happened it could have been a suicide attack. I don't know what compensation was given to the two civilian translators that were also killed.
Well, I certainly do hope that they did take care of the translators
@@JustAnotherArmyVet They were brother and sister, children of a Greek family living in Libya (there is a small Greek community there), who offered to help as translators.
I think their father was the president of the Greek community there.
What happened is still under investigation, but so far the official position is that it was a traffic accident in a non hostile area.
There were questions from the press, about the fire on the bus, that caused the casualties, because the condition of the road did not allow for high speed driving that would justify the vehicles catching fire.
The planners of the mission have also being accused for poor planning, because the humanitarian aid was airlifted in Benghazi and relied on Libyan vehicles for transportation and security, because they thought the area in East Libya was not hostile, although the country effectively has a civil war between the East (Benghazi government, supported by the Libyan parliament and the chief of the Libyan army) and the West (Tripoli official Interim government, that was supposed to hold elections, to end the civil war, but it did not for some years now).
I am not aware if the civilians got any compensation, other than medals, I don't think any money will help these parents in any way.
@@FLORATOSOTHON 😢
There are some good documentaries on the Russian submarine incident. Recommended reacting content.
I think o e is called Whiskey on the Rocks. I don’t know of any others…
@@JustAnotherArmyVet There are several Swedish documentaries but I’m not sure if they have all subtitles.
yes but if the air field is the firs target then what do you do it`s why they used roadways
Makes sense! 👍
If the reports i found is right.......... with the J37 Viggen there was 49 accidents 20 pilots and co-pilots died with J32 Lansen there were 121 accidents 92 pilots and co-pilots died (+7 civilians on the ground) with the J35 Draken there were 123 accidents 39 pilots died and with the J29 Tunnan there were 252 accidents and 98 pilots died. More planes were involved then the number of accidents*
So many lives lost 😢🙏
Yeah :(
And it makes it worse that civilians were also killed 😔
Yeah that accident was in 1960 when a J32A crashed into a building after an engine failor pilot ejected and landed safely must been real tough for him knowing what happend after he left the jet even he could not dont anything to prevent it 😕
@@KarILsson yes. He probably has survivors guilt
czcams.com/video/ucDZ2MxubeQ/video.htmlsi=u_Qe83Ys3bVVbuDG
Here's a quick video about the happenings around U-137.
The Soviet nuclear submarine that ran aground in swedish waters, close to a swedish naval base.
It is made with a somewhat comedic tone.
But tbh, even if it was a very tense and serious situation back then, how it even came to happen in the first place is somewhat funny.
Thank you for you're videos! They're very good👍
Awe thank you for your kind words and support! And thanks for sharing the link! I will check it out 🙂
czcams.com/video/9WvRXU9aDPc/video.html - About the submarine.. here's a video that describes it a bit! =)
Great, thank you 🙂
Awesome video and i remember that incident with the Russian submarine U137 and here is a link about this incident on Wikipedia so you can read about it for yourself. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_submarine_incidents
Great, thank you so much!!! I appreciate it
@@JustAnotherArmyVet You are most welcome
Dispersed air bases, BAS 60, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bas_60
Perfect, thanks!