Cheapest Pedals for Royal Blood Style Effects with 1 Amp
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- My attempt at finding the cheapest solution for getting Royal Blood style effects using only one amp.
The 4 pedal 1 amp setup is explained here: • Royal Blood Effects wi...
The ABY Splitter SwitchBlade+ video is here: • ABY Splitter Pedal wit...
The Behringer US600 pitch shifter video is here: • Royal Blood Effects 2 ...
The JOYO California Sound pedal video is here: • Amp Simulator for Impr...
For all my Royal Blood comparison demos, check out these:
Figure it Out • Figure it Out - Royal ...
Out of the Black • Out of the Black - Roy...
Little Monster • Little Monster - Royal... - Hudba
Just added the Behringer mx400 to my board and I'm stunned by it completely replaced my guitar amp. Lost some roar but I can control a lot more in a live situation especially when confronted by challenging sound men that just don't get the 2 amps set up.
Thanks for showing me this little baby
James Searle glad you found the video useful man - yeh the mx400 is a really good little box for the money. Hope you have lots of fun with it! :)
Cool ideas. Im using the switchblade and the behringer mixer as well.
+Eric Soler hi Eric! The JOYO California sound is a cheap clone of the SansAmp California if you want to have a look at that. If you like the JOYO sound and want to get rid of the um, then you could get a noise reduction pedal instead. Otherwise simple guitar distortions work well too, you just don't have as much control over the EQ. I personally use the SansAmp GT2 (check out my more recent vids for examples) because it's more versatile, but it's more expensive. Hope that helps! :)
Very nice videos man. Really good quality stuff. After these videos I decided to pick up a POG and switchblade+ myself sounds great. If I could make a request, if your looking for ideas for new videos id love to see your ideas on city of delusion (muse) bass effects. Cheers.
KyleEssiambre thanks for the great feedback man, much appreciated :) City of Delusion definitely has a great sound to try and replicate! The closest I've got so far is using the Boss LS2 to make 2 parallel effects loops, putting distortion in one channel and auto wah in the other. It's not exactly right by any means, but you can see what it sounds like in this video: czcams.com/video/TtyQBC9DKaE/video.html The wah is about 4 mins in. Let me know what you think!
Hey, I've been watching all your channel videos, I'm thinking of buying a setup like this, but in thomman cannot find the Beringer I guess it is no longer avaliable, do you still recommend this one as a cheap option to the micro POG or do you know any other one?
Hi Alex my bassist friend has just the 1 amp and already has the boss me50b effects pedal but wondering what extra pedals he could get to use with that to create this sound as it already has pitchshifter on it,any help? Next vid Maybe?
Hi Danny! Erm, I've not used the ME50b but the key to achieving this effect is to makes sure the pitch shifted signal is distorted and the bass signal is left clean. I guess the pitch shifter on the ME50b will allow you to blend the +1 Octave into the overall sound, but I doubt it would be able to apply distortion to just the +1 octave on its own. Look into that first, but if you can't, then you would have to send 2 signals out of the pedal (if possible) and blend them together using something like the mixer or Boss LS2...
What would be a good alternative to the behringer us 600, could i use a behringer UO-300? The us600 is basically impossible to find.
Not the UO300 - that's a clone of the Boss OC3, which only does octave down. You need a pedal that does +1 octaves, and unfortunately most of them are expensive. My personal preference is to have an ABY pedal to split the signal (like the EHX SwitchBlade+) and have the Mooer Tender Octaver do the pitch shifting. It's pretty much a micro POG clone. Have a look at this video to compare the two: czcams.com/video/gx54GsoAb4Q/video.html
Hey Alex I was just wondering if I don't use the JOYO amp simulator will the us600 wreck my bass amp? thanks
+YELLOW_LAD hey! No you'll be fine - people only talk about this stuff hurting amps because the guitar amp speakers can't handle the larger vibrations that bass speakers have to make. The other way round is fine, but it won't sound quite so clear as a guitar amp :)
So I am taking back what I am saying about the Behringer, I hooked it up today and the octave up setting sounds pretty good actually. No latency as previously thought. The only thing needed is a good distortion and probably cheap EQ.
Haha glad you're getting on with it man - the EQ definitely helps in this situation if you're not using an amp sim :)
Thats the deal, tone shaping in a DAW is one thing, live sound is another
Totally - and requires adapting to the space that you're playing in. It's too much for my brain - I just play in a state of blissful ignorance ;)
Yeah, you arent trying to form a band using this setup
No definitely not - but it could easily be done for people with lower budgets / just starting out :)
You should start putting links to your other videos in the description. People that are streaming these videos to a smart tv or chromecast or other device can't click on the links that pop up in the video. Also maybe just put the make/model numbers of the pedals you are using for easier reference. Besides that great job on the videos they look and sound great and are very informational.
+Dustin Michaels thanks Dustin, that's really useful to know. In my early videos I used to do that, but people kept asking me questions about things I'd already answered in the description, so I presumed nobody read them! I'll start doing that again I think...
or you could just use boss LS2 line selector which can combine 2 loops into 1 output then u don't need the swotchblade & the mixer. put the effects in one loop and the clean signal in another loop. it also can adjust the level of both loops to mix
+Mohd. Nasir Hanafi Yes you can! This video is a cheaper version of the exact setup you describe (that I demo in my other videos). I got asked if there were a budget version of my setup and I found that the switchblade and MX400 combined are cheaper than the LS2 :)
hello alexander great did set up like shown thanks for vid, added overdrive and noise gate to guitar amp single chain. wondering if could behringer UO300 ultra octaver be used instead of us600??
lol see answer from tom chet below LOL
@@82008may haha thanks John :) yeah the UO300 doesn't do +1 Octave unfortunately. Since Boss have updated their OC3 (which the UO300 is a clone of) to the OC5 (which does have +1 octave), I would hope Behringer release a new pedal to match that one, but don't know if / when that will happen.
As you only need to isolate the guitar solos for some parts in RB songs, I would connect it like this: bass to Behringer US600 to split signal and send wet signal A to JOYO and clean signal B to your pedal tuner. then both signals (from JOYO and a tuner) to the Behringer FX600 just to use its clean B output and get both former signals to the amp together. then use tuner to mute bass for certain parts.
(All stomp boxes could be powered from the same 9V source, as opposed to that Behringer mixer you got there)
Just my two cents, looks cleaner to me this way :) BTW., could also skip the FX600 and plug clean output from tuner to input and dirty one to the FXloop on your amp, this could put it on another level and make it "one pedal cheaper" solution.
Hi Alexander! Great ideas there - yes you're right, RB only really cut the bass and have the guitar on all the time. Your suggestion works really well for that (see my earlier videos for that setup with 2 amps rather than using the FX loop :)
I just found that not having independent control over both sounds was a bit restrictive - especially being a bass player and not having the option to just play bass - that led me to the ABY solution, but you're right, in this video the mixer isn't an elegant solution. If the +1 octave signal was going back to the bass amp FX loop (rather than a guitar amp), then you could just switch the octave and amp sim off without fear of damaging speaker cones. I would like to try the FX loop idea, but my AD200 doesn't have one.
Thanks for sharing! :)
My mate and me are going to do a little RB project on the side, so I really appreciate your tips on pedals like US600 and JOYO, because when I saw the price tag of the POG and additional costs for some distortion it was just too much for a little project. I will definitely buy those two and try it with my Korg Pitchblack tuner and my Spyder 550 amp which luckily has an effects loop. Those pedals sounded great in your video and are really cheap, can't wait to try it!
I know exactly what you mean - I really like the Mooer Tender Octaver for reliable octave shifting, and am using it instead of the POG for my next video. The only problem is that it doesn't have 2 outputs. Just note that the JOYO California Sound can create some terrible hum if you're not careful!
Have fun with it and let me know how you get on :)
If I use the blade pedal on the pedals that are usually used on mikes Rig would it work or sound better?
The switchblade+ doesn't do anything except control which channels your signal is sent down so it would sound exactly the same :) having said that, I think he uses a more complicated switcher that controls 3 or 4 sounds at once so you'd need to work out how it would fit in with all that
Are there any Behringer pitch shifters that have a bend mode? I really wanna recreate that rising sound from Lights Out, but as far as I know there arent any cheap pedals with the bend functionality...
Z-Zack yes, the US600 is a clone of the Boss PS6 - the PS6 has a feature called S-Bend, which is a pre-programmed whammy, in either pitch direction, which is why you only ever used to see him stomp, rather than use a foot rocker to change pitch. On the US600 it's called flutter I think. Not sure on the name of the mode, but it's definitely there :)
Thanks for the reply! Apparently the US600 isn't in production anymore and they're pretty hard to find, they're pretty pricey now because of it. I think I might just spring for a used Boss PS-6 instead. Thanks for your help, Alex!
Hey! Thanks for the great video. Really considering the US600. Any chance you can share the settings you used?
Never mind. Can tell on my computer. Had no clue when originally viewing on phone. :)
Well if it helps, I took a pic and uploaded it to my website :)www.azawright.com/pics/US600_settings.jpg
This is great. Thanks so much for taking the time to do that.
Hi I was just wondering what cables you used for this video like patch cables or something else and how many did you use
Hi Conor! I try to keep the wiring as simple as possible so that there's less scope for interference and noise in the signal. In this setup I use:
2 standard length cables (one from Bass to ABY pedal and one from mixer out to amp)
1 reasonably long patch cable to go from ABY output B to the mixer
3 short patch cables to connect ABY, US600, JOYO and mixer in a chain.
Hope that helps! :)
Yeah thanks for replying so fast
question, i am trying to find a cheaper option for the boss ls2? because i want to mix 2(or 3 maybe) different sounds for my bass and i only want to use one amp, will the mixer do the job or it has to be the ls2? lets say a drive in once chanel and the clean signal in the other and possibly an octaver in the third one, will it "blend" all the signals according to level that i would like to assign to each one?. i have aradial big shot efx that i can use to split the signal and send 2 separate lines to the mixer and the to the amp, will this combination do the job?..i m kind of new on this pedal thingy....
+Rig Var hey RIg! The BigShot will definitely do the job for splitting the signal, and the MX400 will be able to blend the signals back together, based on the volume that you set for each channel.
The only issue I have with the MX400 is that you get the hum from the pedals even if you siwtch that channel off with the ABY splitter (as shown in the video). If you want to do more splitting, then you can definitely do that, but you'll either need another splitter pedal, or you could use an octave pedal (or whatever) that has 2 outputs - for the clean and effect signals. It will start getting complicated when you want to switch the sounds on and off though!
Basically my thoughts would be:
Bass >
BigShot A > Overdrive / distortion etc > Mixer input 1
BigShot B > Octave pedal
Ocatve pedal Clean output > any other effects > Mixer input 2
Octave Pedal Effect output > Mixer input 3
Mixer Output > Amp
Hope that helps!
+Alexander Wright thank you so much this has helped me a lot!! you are the master thx...
Compression pedal with get rid of that hum. I'm sure. Good video man.
deadstarlights Thanks man - yeh or the noise suppressor, but that all adds to the cost! ;)
I have the digitech rp 500 and the roger linn A3... i want to use both but in separated channel and one amp
The AdrennaLinn III? I'm sure that would do something appropriate ;) The RP500 has a left and a right output, so you might be able to do something with that. You'll probably still need to mix the split signals into one channel, using something like the MX400 (in the video), or the Boss LS-2 (in another video).
Hey man im doing out of the black for a college performance and really need help with the tone. I have a boss ds1 if that helps and im willing to get more pedals can you help me with some budget
recommendations please? I cant find the us600 anywhere.
Sounds exciting! Sure, it depends on what your budget is and what you already have at your disposal. Personally for a gig I would prefer to use and ABY splitter into 2 amps rather than blended signals into a bass amp, but if that's not an option i definitely prefer using a boss LS2 with 2 blended loops rather than a splitter and then a mixer at the end like in this video.
As for octave pedals, you really need one that doesn't create digital artefact / noise when shifting the bass up an octave, otherwise it will sound pretty bad. If your budget can stretch to a nano POG or Pitchfork then they would work great. The TC electronic Sub n Up is a good shout as is the Digitech Whammy. MXR have just released a pedal with octaves and fuzz built into one pedal, but it's pricey. For lower budget I used the Mooer Tender Octaver MkI but that got taken off the market after they got sued by EHX for copying the POG. The MkII pedal isn't as good from what I've seen. Looking on Google I would probably say the TC Electronic Sub n Up mini might be the best option for your price range but I haven't tried it myself.
Hope that helps!
Sorry im slightly confused so say i had £100 to spend and wanted to try get as close to an accurate tone as possible what would you recommend? I have access to both a guitar and bass amp already. Thank you for your help i greatly appreciate it!
@@osorii1612 If you have access to a guitar amp that has it's own distortion built in then I would focus the £100 on getting an ABY switch pedal and a +1 octave pedal. For the budget I would get an EHX Switchblad+ and a TC Electronic Sub n Up and set it up the same way I do in this video: czcams.com/video/yArjQRJqUTI/video.html
For a comparison of effects have a look at this one where I compare two setups whilst playing out of the black czcams.com/video/TPbcnZkRPgI/video.html
Hope that helps :)
would the Boss LS-2 work better? Which set up do you prefer the best. Watched all the videos and I'm just curious about your opinion.
+Dennis Mark to be honest I much prefer the sound of the 2 amp solution, but for practicality I use the LS2 solution with the GT2 because I can turn off the POG and use it as a pretty tasty bass distortion with some clean blended in. I don't really like the setup in this video just because of the issue with the noise even when you use the SwitchBlade+ to turn off the fake guitar signal - I'm sure a noise suppressor would help that but I like to keep my pedal board as free as possible :)
Hey Alex. Good video. Just wondering if you can use this rig for guitar. Like if I used the switch blade then used a octave down to achieve the bass tone. I know you play bass but hopefully you'll have some idea lol
Thanks Jack! Yes absolutely - if you use it for guitar then there are also a lot more pedals you can choose from as well (like the Boss OC-2 / OC-3 and the clones of it). You can also use the SwitchBlade+ to blend signals, so one method might be to get the OC3, which has a direct out and an effect out, and then blend it back together after you've put some distortion on (via a pedal). I think there is danger of making your sound quite muddy if using the guitar amp distortion on the mixed guitar and sub octave signals, but if your amp has an effects loop, you could be really clever, and send the effect out of the octave pedal to the effects loop return, and send the direct out to the amp's input. I might have to do a video on that!
Alexander Wright Thank you for your help! Really good videos by the way. I was thinking of starting with the switchblade + to separate the signals then use the 2 separate signals to achieve my guitar and bass tone; with a behringer ultra octave one one and by guitar effects on the other. Depending on the feedback I may need a noise gate. And just to put it out there I am more of a fan for your 4 pedal 1 amp vids than the 2 amp vids. Keep up the good work!
So I've got all the pedals, just waiting on the joyo, but do you think it would be possible to connect a auto wah and 2 harmosnist ps6 pedals in order to get the dive bomb effect for Lights out?
If one was to go a little further?
Thanks in advance!
Also could it be possible to swap out the switchblade for the boss line selector.
Sorry for all the questions and thanks in advance :)
Yes absolutely - the line selector is a better choice in my opinion as you don't get the noise from the joyo when you're not using it. Sounds like an ambitious project! The Behringer US600 also does dive-bombs - as far as I can remember, Boss calls it S-Bend and Behringer calls it Flutter on the pedals (they do the same thing). I assume you want two so you can have one bend up and one bend down? That would definitely work, but I've always been against buying an extra pedal just to play one song. Having said that, it's what Mike has (or had) in his setup, so it makes sense :) at least you would also be able to do ten tonne skeleton as well!
Thanks Alexander for the advice :)
I plan to learn a whole bunch of royal blood songs, and this definitely helps.
@@fuzzedwahwah5933 sounds good to me! Glad it's useful, and let me know how you get on :)
Excellent job! I’m a happy subscriber! I want to use a 3 pedal 2 amp setup. I got a US600, switchblade plus and a big muff fuzz pedal. How do I configure the rig? Any help is appreciated!!
Thanks Mike! Assuming you have a bass amp and a guitar amp, and you want the big muff going to the guitar amp, you need to:
Bass > Switchblade+ ABY pedal
ABY A > US600 > Big Muff > Guitar amp
ABY B > Bass amp
I cant remember the US600 settings to get the +1 octave but I've replied to people on my US600 specific video with how to do it, if you want to check that out :)
@@AlexanderWright doe it matter if guitar goes to A and bass goes to B of the aby?
@@82008may Hi John! It doesn't matter which way round you do it- I just have it that way round because the LED for A is red and B is green, so I use the same colour cables to help me remember.
Hi Alexander, been watching your videos for a while.
Ref the 4 pedals one amp set up, how would you use this set up for 2 amps i.e. bass amp and guitar amp? a bit stumped myself. I need to be able to turn the bass off and have a guitar sound only and also be able to the turn guitar off to have the bass sound only.
To complicate matters I use a Digitech vocalist 2 which needs to be in the signal path at all times to give the vocal harmony
stairwayofficial hey man, thanks for the question. If you were going to just have a guitar amp and a bass amp, I would have simply suggested using the SwitchBlade+ 2 pedal 2 amp setup I link to in this video.
I guess it depends where you are sending your vocal harmony signal to (guitar amp / bass amp / PA?) in order to decide what the best option is. One of my future videos is going to be on how to integrate the 2 pedal 2 amp setup and the 4 pedal 1 amp setup, but I've not thought it through properly yet to be honest!
Alexander Wright Thanks for getting back so soon :-) Spoke with guitar shop guys, seems non-plused on it all :-/
I have LS-2 and US600 and Boss AB-2 2 way selector.
I have tried two set ups:
1. Bass> LS2 input>the vocal harmonist guitar in; guitar thru to bass amp. (vocals go to PA via XLR I/O.)
LS2 A send>US600 Oct up>dist pedal >Ls2 A return as the 'guitar' sound
Nothing in B.
2. Bass into the LS2 input and out into the vocal harmonist guitar in, guitar thru to bass amp. (vocals go to PA via XLR I/O.)
LS2 A send>US600 Oct up>dist pedal >Ls2 A return as the 'guitar' sound
LS2 B send > AB-2 In/Out Output A of the boss AB-2 back into LS2 B return.
With set up 2, I can switch off the guitar with the LS2 and/or switch off the bass with the AB-2 - but can't figure how to set up for two amps? sorry for the long winded explanation - guess I need to fiddle some more. :-)
stairwayofficial haha we're a rare breed of bassist that knows how to use effects properly so you probably confused them ;) personally I can't see what benefit you gain from having the vocalist pedal in your guitar signal path? I see that it has guitar pass through and effects send and returns, but I can't help thinking that (since your vox go to a PA) you'd benefit from simplifying and just having the VL2 completely separate?
That way, I'd just use the LS2 as a splitter (Send A to guitar amp and Send B to bass amp without returning to the LS2), and use your AB2 as a kill switch for the guitar.
Does that help any? I have my 5 pedals 2 amp setup planned now, so will get that on CZcams in a week or so...
Alexander Wright Cheers mate for the reply :-)
Quote:"That way, I'd just use the LS2 as a splitter (Send A to guitar amp and Send B to bass amp without returning to the LS2), and use your AB2 as a kill switch for the guitar."
I'll try that :-)
The VL2 needs to be in the guitar path, it uses the chords from the guitar/bass and the main vocal to give the vocal harmonies.
Perhaps the US600 not having an isolated dry out to go to the bass amp is a problem a POG would solve? and I could then use the setup in your video.
Thanks again.
Bloody hell that's a clever little pedal then! Very nice ;)
The US600 can be used in the same way as the POG because it does have the two outputs -its a bit fiddly to get right on the dials (budget brand that doesn't care if the numbers don't match the settings when in pitch shift mode!), but its definitely achievable.
Did you try to switch the swithblade and the behringer in order to avoid the hum/buzz?
+Didier Lelion yeh man, but the main culprit is the JOYO pedal. If I was desparate to get rid of that buzz, then I could either just switch the JOYO off when not in use, or get a noise suppressor pedal like the Boss NS2 or, as Luke suggested below the Behringer NR300 is very cheap!
+3rdDraft if it behaves like the Boss NS2, then I'd use it to make a loop containing the US600 and the JOYO, so it would go:
switchblade > NR > loop to US600 > JOYO > loop back to NR > out to MX400.
this way the noise reduction is applied to the fake guitar signal only. You could also have the US600 out of the NR loop because it doesn't create any noise, but I think it's a bit neater the other way :)
+Alexander Wright Sorry to insist but did you try to split the signal with the behringer mx400 (and merge them with switchblade)? It should get rid of the buzz without any other pedal and without switching off the Joyo pedal.
If behringer mx400 can't be used as a splitter, I would recommend a simple ABY pedal (fender micro ABY is tiny, cheap and could be used without power supply). You can't do any balance on the bass signal but you can change the volume of the "guitar" signal on the Joyo pedal.
My point is by using the switchblade as a merger (instead of splitter), you should be able to avoid anything from the Joyo pedal.
+Didier Lelion Ah sorry man, I see what you mean now! Yes that's an excellent idea - I'll have a look when I get home tonight.
I seem to remember trying to reverse the switchblade before, but can't remember if it worked or not! No idea about the MX400 so will be interesting to see...
Not sure how much a Boss LS2 is where you live, but it will do exactly what the Blade+ and the mini mixer will do when put into A+B Mix mode.
Oops...sorry...I now see that you're using an LS2 in other videos...so I assume it must be more expensive...?
haha yeh it's £75 on Amazon UK - it's definitely my preferred method to the splitter and mixer, but I was just trying to experiment with the cheaper gear :)
Hi! Great video! I have a question can I replace SwitchBlade+ with Boss FS6?
+Venlabax thanks :) to be honest I'm not sure, but I don't think so - when I had the FS-6, I used it as a controller for my loop pedal, so I think it's used for sending command signals rather than routing audio signals, if that makes sense? I might be wrong...
+Alexander Wright Thx a lot for your reply! Yep you`re right that was my mistake. What do you think about replace Joyo with EHX Big Muff Pi? And Behringer with Whammy DT? It will do the job?
+Venlabax yes they will both be able to do the job - the Big Muff Pi should sound awesome, and the Whammy DT would be a lot of fun - I'm not sure if you'll need the bass whammy though? I don't know if the guitar one tracks the bass notes well or not...
If it helps, have a look at my video using the Germanium4 Big Muff instead of the JOYO amp simulator: czcams.com/video/JMdsvDek4VU/video.html
+Alexander Wright Thx again! Germanium sounds BIG! WOW!
can i use a regular 6 string guitar instead of a bass to get the same effect? sounds pretty good
Yes you can - you just need to use a sub octave pedal instead of a +1 octave, and make sure you don't use amp distortion, as it will apply it after the mixed signal (i.e. to the fake bass effect). Just be aware that the thinner guitar strings won't sound the same as bass, especially playing without chords. I'm planning on doing a video on guitar vs bass for this setup soon :)
Alexander Wright thanks a lot mate ill be keeping an I eye for that comparison video I'm completely new to the world of pedals just bought my first one a week ago so the videos help out a ton!
Haha any time mate :) the world of pedals can be very addictive, and you can get into the thought pattern of thinking you need to get an effect in order to sound better (rather than practising!) - I have been guilty of that! My advice is keep it simple, and only expand if you really need to - that way you're not overwhelmed with all the terminology and settings. If you search up my 2 pedal and 2 amp video for Royal Blood effects, I demo it on a guitar briefly so you can get an idea of how it might sound different - even though it's on two amps rather than one.
The Fender ABY splitter is only £25 on ebay.
David Miller excellent find! :) I'll make a note in the video...
(Problem solved)
I own a Bass big muff pi wich has a "effect output" and "dry output". I bought the Fender ABY splitter to blend in those two signal to go directly into the amp.
When I press "A or B" on the ABY splitter, the sound is just fine, but when i press "A and B", the amp buzzes an hums as hell and the sound is just horrible.
My amp is a cheap "Harley Benton HB-10G", and i already had small buzz and hum problems with it.
Do you think the problem is just that the amp is pure sh*t, or that the big muff pi can't play both "dry" and "effect" at the same time (wich just means I need the behringer mx400) ?
Thanks for the answer.
Hey Barto, sorry to hear it's not working as intended!
To be honest, it could be loads of things (amp, cables, pedal, power supplies...) so best thing is to start simple and see if you can't narrow down the problem.
So your signal chain is:
Bass -> Big Muff
Big Muff Effect Out -> ABY A
Big Muff Dry -> ABY B
ABY -> Bass Amp
You may have the A and B the other way round and some pedals in between?
And the problem is when you kick in both channels at once, but the either one individually is okay?
I would first test all the cables, and take out any other pedals apart from the Muff and the ABY just to make sure nothing is interfering.
Let me know if I've got it right and we can go from there :)
(You got the signal chain correctly, and yes, the problem is only here when I kick both channels at once, individually they're ok)
I checked every cable individually and they're all good, and not any other pedal is interfering.
I tried other ways of powering up, other outlets, other cables, and the problem is still there.
Having the A and B the other way around didn't help either.
I think i should try buying the behringer mx400 to have a dedicated pedal to split the signal, and not the Muff
Okay well it sounds like you've tried everything I would have, so it could well be the signals interfering with each other when the ABY is used to mix signals (I only use it to split into 2 outputs, not combine 2 inputs, so am not an expert there) - let me know how you get on when you get the MX400 :)
Thanks for the help I'll keep you updated
Hey Alex, my question is will this set up destroy my bass amp? since My bass amp is designed for bass signals not guitar overdrive? HUGE FAN OF YOUR VIDEOS, SUBSCRIBED!! I am doing the 2 pedal 2 amp set up
Hi Daniel - no it will handle it just fine :) It's more of an issue running bass through a guitar amp, because the speakers aren't designed to vibrate as far to get the low frequencies. The bass speakers don't handle the high frequencies as well, but it won't hurt them, so the only issue you'll experience is trying to EQ it so the bass keeps the low end, and the fake guitar stuff doesn't sound too muddy...
Thanks alex, quick response and amazing videos, really cool for bass players looking for a royal blood tone. curious thou have you tried 2 bass amps? One with a guitar pedal and another with bass preamp eq? The tone will come out like a bass with bass distortion and bass tone, keeping the bass feel for both? Just an idea
You're welcome :) no I've not tried two bass amps, but I'm pretty sure that's what Chris from MUSE does (without the +1 octave) in order to keep the low end in his bass distortion. I thinkyou're right that adding the +1 octave in will make it sound like a more bass heavy guitar, so might be better for heavier genres? You could always EQ the +1 octave amp to cut the lows though, so I'm not sure. If I ever have a 2nd bass amp lying around I'll give it a go!
what bass are you using to the video?
I'm using the Ibanez SR5005 that I use in all my other videos - I'm not using a pick, which could sharpen up the tone and sound better in this context :)
Thanks
can I use dark matter instead of this joyo?and am i able to get better sound with dark matter if possible?
+Shahriar Jisan you certainly can use it instead - at this level, I would say 'better' is completely subjective, but having seen the Dark Matter demo video, I think the control it gives will make it sound fantastic!
Okkk great man
So i am buying dark matter instead of pog :D
+Shahriar Jisan just to be clear - you can't use it instead of the POG, because the Dark Matter doesn't do +1 octave. You'll need to shift the octave up before sending it to the Dark Matter (not sure you meant POG or if that was a typo?).
+Alexander Wright okk then suggest me some octave pedal which will do fine instead of pog
pog costs much more than me brother
haha! Check out my video using the Behringer US600 or the Mooer Tender Octaver. The Mooer is my preferred one of the two, and I can't tell the difference between that on the POG.
Hey, I had also one more idea, which is using one amp with two inputs, pretty much it has to be the Fender Bassman, you split the signals and run them into the amp with two channels. Ever done that?
I've never done that myself but I think that would work quite well, but the only thing I would say from my own experience is that playing the fake guitar sound through bass speakers usually sounds less sharp and more boomy than through guitar speakers. The dual input option is a really neat setup though, and gives you more control than my 4 pedals and 1 amp solution :)
What if you put a noise gate on it
That would definitely help! I've not tired it on this setup though
You wanna use the verb for a 2 amper? ;) orange on orange action :)
Crackin vid as always dr aza
John Aldo thanks matey - the next video is already recorded unfortunately, but imagine how that would sound!!! I might just take you up on it next prac, so I can unleash hell! ;)
you could almost certainly get the mixer to run on 9 volts. these cheap little boxes always use unregulated power supplies anyway
Nice suggestion - I'm no expert with electronics so haven't had the confidence to experiment with it, but it would definitely save some hassle!
to stop the distortion feedback you should add in the Behringer NR300 noise reduction. its only £14.99. very cheap!
czcams.com/video/JGBCq7vcDb0/video.html
Have you tried this?
Can't find a video that demos this in the bass guitar
+James Searle wow! No I'd not seen it before but it looks great. You're not helping me to curb my pedal addiction you know ;)
+James Searle Bought one - I blame you for this! Expect a demo soon...
+Alexander Wright 😉 I may have to grab one to. Looking to minimise my board
Now my thinking is if it's as good as the POG, I can sell it and buy 2 Mooers and still have money left over!
I've got an idea for a cheaper set! 3 pedals 1 amp.
Bass-> US600 ->FXsignal to zoom MS50 (or Joyo california) -> input A of Fender ABY
->DRYsignal to inbut B of Fender ABY
Output signal of Fender ABY to AMP.
You can play A or B or AandB
Fender ABY (the red pedal with 2 footswitch not the micro) is like the switchblade+ but it works 1in2out or 2in1out.
runamokPU haha! That is an amazing idea! I reckon it up to be about £10 more expensive (£135.50 on Amazon UK), but I have to say it's a much more elegant solution :) have you got these pedals yourself? If so, what's it sound like???
I'm waiting for the fender ABY
Next week i'll try.
Awesome! Let me know how you get on - the only issue I guess you might have with it is volume control over the 2 signals, but as long as you set your Zoom to match the clean bass signal, it should be fine :)
Alexander Wright . The Fender ABY arrived. But there's a problem with the configuration that I wrote.
When you play both channels (A & B) the volume is 50/50 (controlled with mix knob on the US600), when a channel is muted the entire signal goes to active channel and the volume increase.
Now I need something that doesn't split signal but "duplicates" it!
Any ideas?
actual gear: US600 - Zoom MS50 - Fender ABY
runamokPU hey man, that sounds like a pain. So from my understanding, the volume boost / drop is caused by the Fender ABY when it splits? If you want the duplicated signal in order to get round this problem, your cheapest bet is to do the setup in this video but use the ABY instead of the switchblade? I may have misunderstood why you want to do that though...
Could you get away with using a british JOYO ? I’d imagine you’d just have to cut back the settings a little?
From memory the British JOYO models some kind of Marshall amp? My 2 amp videos all used my old Marshall MG100FX so I'm sure you'll be able to get something that sounds good :) currently I use an Orange TH30 for my 2 amp setup, and the SansAmp GT2 in Marshall mode for my 1 amp setup. I think as long as you personally like the sound, then you could use anything :)
Cheers for the reply! :) yeah I do prefer it a bit more, looks like I’m set, thanks again! :)
@@fuzzedwahwah5933 any time :)
What amp did u use? Bass or guitar??
+Joe Fisher bass - a guitar amp wouldn't be able to handle the low frequencies :)
+Alexander Wright really? Thanks, glad I don't have to get a new amp
+Joe Fisher yeh man, the JOYO pedal is a guitar amp simulator, which tries to compensate for the bass amp's bias towards low frequencies
+Alexander Wright cool stuff, will be handy for my band, thanks for the video dude 👍
Hey could you possibly recommend a more quality alternative to the cheap Joyo? I know the purpose of this video was to showcase the cheapest alternatives, but (for the price) I really liked the sound of this rig aside from the buzzing, so rather than buy another amp I'd like to just buy something a step above the Joyo. Thanks.
Great videos btw.
+Eric Soler Im using a Boss DS-1, Not that Cheap, but getting a fairly good soud..
Use an isolated pedal board power supply. This would lead to no buzz as the pedals would all receive there own power, isolated the other pedals.
Thanks man, excellent suggestion. In this particular case, I'm pretty sure that the hum is an issue with the JOYO - I've not isolated the power to it (and have since sold it so can't test), but I have done the exact same thing with the SansAmp and don't get any noise.
i guess we'll never know! ;)
Noice
mkfanforever58 thanks man :)