It’s 2026. Me and my fiance sitting at the movies watching this movie and mid movie my fiance asks “wait, is that iron man? Didn’t he die? Why is he evil?”
I don’t hate it, but I don’t like it either. I wanna see the *_REAL_* Victor Von Doom done right on-screen. Latveria, full of poise and imposing, science + magic, and all that!
You can’t talk about the ‘Real’ Doom before you even see a proper teaser. This wouldn’t be the first time a controversial acting choice is made that turns out to be amazing; Just look at Chris Evans when they auditioned for Captain America, after already playing Johnny Storm.
We’ll probably get that after the soft reboot. I think it’s a perfect way to end the saga and to have rdj go from being a hero to a villian is so poetic. Although afterwards I think a more latveria rueling doom would be made.
I agree, it's gonna be either really distracting, becouse RDJ IS Iron man, or he will be the variant and then we wont ger proper Doom like we wished all these years
To be fair, thanos didnt really have a lot of build up, he just sat on a chair and said he would do it himself. All his development and character was in Infinity war. The build up was in the stones. You just have to explain what happened to kang and why doom is a threat over kang.
Well, that and they pretty much hinted where the direction of the MCU was going in Phase 1 with the post credit Thanos smirk. Hardcore fans/geeks knew what to expect, and fed the casuals with what to expect.
@@_davidboxingeven now hardcore fans especially comic book fans know exactly where they are heading with the MCU As soon as this casting was revealed hardcore fans already know which comic book they gonna take from They arleady know secret wars is the collision of all the universes and a soft reboot
Also, did really anyone pre infinity war care for Thanos? Also once doomsday comes out with rdj having essentialy 15 years of build up it'll be massive
Typically Doom wears a mask all the time so that RDJ is playing him might not come up, also under the mask he is horribly scared so he might not even look like RDJ
I think completely opposite of this. It is crazy to not see him as iron man. A variant Tony Dr Doom makes more sense. Otherwise they should just cast someone else as dr doom
For one thing, I'm betting he's barely going to take the mask off and is gonna have to rely on more body-mannerisms sort of acting so I'm betting it's going to be really different, kinda like Pedro Pascal with the Mandalorian
It's funny. I am a pretty massive fan of Doom and when movies kept making him either a mutant or trash-bag alien, I did at some point question "How is this so hard? He's like Iron Man, but evil and more intelligent." But that was something I'd use to explain Doom on a surface level. What scares me is the MCU is SO "quippy" and self-aware now (argueably because of RDJ and his success as portraying Tony Stark). Doom better not be busting one-liners. That's literally the opposite of his character. I genuinely don't think I've ever seen him make a joke in the comics. I'll take it as a good sign if... 1. RDJ keeps the mask on or has an absolutely horribly disfigured face 2. Doom is imperious, brilliant, and threatening in previews
Desparate move in WB and DCEU fashion. They already started building Kang and instead of just recasting him they got scared and desperate and tried to ride that RDJ hype wave again. How to ruin both great villains in one move. Stupid cash grab move.
I would have prefer Mads Mikkelsen or Cillian Murphy as Dr Doom and I guess you heard about the Masters of evil in Avengers 5 that Doom might be apart of.
If its victor, he should be from the Fantastic Four First Steps universe. If its a tony variant, make him from another universe like the universe of the Illuminaty or the marvels credits or something different.
I have a feeling this is going to be kind of their take on the maker, but instead of being reed it will a version of Tony that went bad and there will be another actor to play another version of doom
i just don't understand why they had to replace kang's entire character, instead of just replacing him with another actor. i mean marvel is definitely *not* new to replacing the actors/actesses of their characters so i don't see why they would ditch a character who was teased to be the new big baddie of the mcu as if it's nothing...and i don't think most ppl will understand why tony stark's actor is playing a villain unless they saw the previous movies & series of the multiverse saga, and THAT'S why kang would have WORKED...
Im ok with this under one condition. It is not the infamous iron man. RDJ is an incredible actor with a lot of range, and I'm sure that he could kill this role. What concerns me isnt the casting itself, its the potential connection with Iron Man. If they try to make Doom this Tony Stark variant, its just a waste of the character. They need to do him justice and explore him in all of his nuances and complexities. We can have some internal conflict from Peter, but we don't need the character to genuinely be an alternate Tony Stark, in the same way that Johnny Storm isnt an alternate Captain America. Just let the casting be an easy way to make money, and don't try and make it an essential part of the story.
RDJ is old short and frail. Dr Doom is physically imposing and an extremely handsome man. People constantly miss the point of Dr Doom as a character. No he is not just an “evil Iron Man”.
You are correct. He is not an evil Iron Man. I do not want an evil Iron Man. Downey is a chameleon when he is acting. He can dissapear into any character that he is playing. People seem to forget his talent due to the fact that he played hinself for ten years with Iron Man. If he works out a little bit and gets an amazing looking costume, downey will be great in the role. Besides, Doom barely takes off his mask, and when he does, he is horribly disfigured. People will certainly be able to tell that it is Downey, but it will not be distracting to the point of ppl still viewing him as Iron Man. I just want an authentic Doctor Doom rather than an Iron Man variant, as Secret Wars is maybe my favourite doom storyline ever.
@@brandonfly4611 Dr Doom is not disfigured. He only has a small scar on his face. Jack Kirby even confirmed it. People don’t understand Dr Doom. Dr Doom sees himself as the perfect man. He sees himself as the perfect physical fighter, the perfect scientist and the perfect magician. The small scar on his face shows he is not perfect and he insecurely hides it behind a mask and hood because of it. Doom is an attractive man behind the mask but his perfectionism doesn’t make him see it. RDJ does not capture the “ideal man” Doom is as a character. He is a frail short 60 year old man.
I think it's dumb and shows their hand. they are panicked. and their big decision. shoehorn rdj mackintosh the mcu lol. I knew it was coming. cap will be back too.
My MCU RDJ Dr. Doom Theory: Through body switching or another plot mechanism, Viktor is inhabiting the body of a Tony Stark variant from another universe. As a last resort after realizing that it’s the only way (Consulting Dr. Strange on all potential future outcomes)….They agree to do what was sworn never to be done(A detail we’ll soon learn of, potentially even with foreshadowing in upcoming releases): The Avengers download Tony’s “saved state” consciousness from F.R.I.D.A.Y. By means of either a spell being cast or in some way more analogue, they manage force Victor back into his own body by integrating Tony’s consciousness into his alter. This climatically peaks with the return of Iron Man joining the team to defeat Doom, perfectly wrapping up the multiverse saga in a velvet bow and inevitably given a soft reboot following down the road. - I also see a potential for them to declare OG Tony the anchor as a partial justification for The Avengers to make the tough choice. - I’m still on the fence as to how much of the source material will be applied regarding Reed Richards.
Capitalising on Robert Downey Jr. as an actor. The studio knows he will bring in the money. That's why. Just follow the money. What ever the situation in any event, if something is a bit off, money is always involved.
My take is we legit have no idea what role RDJ will play in any of this. We don’t know if he’s playing a variant, if he’s gonna be the “main” Doom. NO IDEA so just to jump and say it’s ruined it’s over JUST WAIT AND SEE.
He's not really a stark variant. Or he might be a loosely associated variant. Here's the thing, my wishful theory is that they are creating a hybrid between victor backstory and a hint of stark.
The first two avengers movies were excellent because of the story arcs and characters introduced in films leading up to it. These avengers will have to stand on their own in order to do anything special. We very little to look forward to so far.
i hate this and im only a casual fan of 40 yrs. MCU cherry picked characters and is now struggling to join the dots. i felt Avengers never had any synergy with the other franchises its why i never took any interest in it. It jus gets too complicated, even in the comics.
I reserve judgement of all casting choices, because we were all shocked by Heath Ledger as the Joker.. and look how that turned out. I think even originally RDJ was not taken seriously and he turned out to be the most beloved actor in the entire series.. So.. who knows what will happen with a great actor if put in great writing and directorial hands.
Honestly if the fantastic 4 is from a different universe coming over to the MCU I can actually see why Robert Downey Jr playing Doom would be just a variant that looks like tony stark instead of him being actual tony stark if that makes sense?
You know these assholes at Disney are just going to say he's a Tony Stark from an alternate universe who went evil and calls himself Doctor doom instead of Iron man
You wanna talk controversial, look at them still using Sabra in Brave New World. She's been cotneoversial since her debut in 1980 and shes even moreso now
So many people getting back into Marvel because of this yet i as someone who liked or loved most of phase 4 and 5 have cancelled my tickets for Deadpool and Wolverine, and might never watch an MCU product again, they are completely clueless and so is anyone who thinks this is a good casting, bringing back RDJ makes the infinity saga worse as the main character of it has his arc weakened, it ruins the multiverse Saga because they clearly haven't prepared for this and weverything so far is less significant, and completely wastes the main villain of all of Marvel by using as an opportunity to get attention instead of telling the right story, casting a mediocre choice for Doom who has many distractions and baggage is a pathetic casting
It's only controversial to the fans who just watch the movies/shows and don't read the comics. But they did 2 story lines where Tony Stark becomes Dr Doom when Tony was in college, he was roommates with Doom and he tricked Tony to help create a device that would swap there minds and Doom would become Tony Stark
Was honestly at the edge of my seat when I saw the title "Avengers: Doomsday" appear on my screen since Dr. Doom is one of my all-time favourite comic villains, such an interesting, menacing, and complex character. There were so many ideas racing through my mind when they said that they had "the perfect actor chosen for this role", and when the mask was taken off and I saw RDJ I almost punched my screen. RDJ is one of the most iconic CBM actors, and he had a legedary and fitting ending in the Endgame, the though of using the same actor for two different characters seems desperate and downright disrespectful to Iron Man's legacy in the MCU. In my mind Cillian Murphy would have been an amazing fit for this role, along others. Marvel knew the deep trench they were in, and they knew that the sheer sight of RDJ would raise the hype and interest into Marvel and their upcoming projects, but at what cost? However there is nothing I can do now except for pray that they don't ruin Iron Man's legacy and decimate Dr. Doom's character at the same time.
So here’s the problem 1 of the questions is who else can play Doctor doom other than RDJ. There’s quite a few candidates, Oppenheimer he seems 2 have that coldness that Doom has and can pull off a cruel villain. If they wanna go a fanservice route why not Julian from the 2005 Fantastic 4 movies, have him reprise his role if Wolverine can come back as a variant y not RDJ as a Tony stark variant then, if Deadpool and Wolverine can bring back older actors 2 reprise they’re roles such as Wesley’s blade, Jennifer’s Electra hell even Chris Evan’s Johnny storm which is the same version from Julian’s doom universe why not bring him back 2 be Doom again? This move with RDJ being doom seems like a desperate move outta they’re hand 2 get old fans back that originally quit the MCU or took a break and this is coming from someone who was there when Iron man 1 was released.
This gonna make them so much money it's genius UNFORTUNATELY even if we dont love it we love RDJ he's arguably why it became what it became and we are all going to rush for the new avengers because of him
Perhaps and maybe perhaps RDJ is a sort of Dr. Doom variant. I kinda find it hard to believe that he needs to return to the MCU for the money instead of focusing in other movie projects. It's a big surprise, even I didn't expect but wouldn't it be suitable if he returned as a Tony Stark/Iron Man variant instead? Just my opinion. He's a talented and successful actor, I think he'll do a good job as Victor Von Doom. What an amazing and unexpected development! Let's hope it pays off Marvel/Disney needs to deliver better movies and content for its loyal fanbase otherwise this ship will sink like the titanic. Thanks for the video, much success and keep up the good work.
I give up on marvel. I thought Deadpool and wolverine would be their saving Grace, but after hearing this announcement it's pretty clear they have no more gas left in the tank. Here comes DC with James Gunn for the steal!!!!
The talking points about it feeling desperate isn’t really going to mean anything to the general movie goer. The movie will live and die by how good the movie is
I don’t care what others think, it’s canon in the comics and it’s a massive move that can help correct the MCU. They don’t see the potential in this move they just wine about it instead.
There are so many other talented, actors that could make this role iconic, Mads Mikkelsen is who i would've chosen. I feel like a lot of people are lost in the high off of this shock announcement, because they like the idea omg Tony's friends ate gonna be so shocked and heartbroken, when the power of this reveal works better waiting to show it in the actual film. That way, the audience can experience the shock along with the heroes. This feels like it was only done, just to have a darth vader reveal moment. Darth Vader's revelation to Luke only worked, because the audience hears it with Luke, we experience the shock at the same time. If everyone knew that Vader was Luke's father before the character did, it wouldn't have that same power as experiencing the horror firsthand, with the protagonist. No doubt that the avengers will all have a "😱😭💔" moment, that's to be expected. It would've been so much better of they kept the identity a secret, and we discover it with the protagonists. I love RDJ as well, but why couldn't we have the REAL DR. DOOM, instead of a variant?🤦🏻♂️. I'm hoping THE REAL DOOM shows up, and looks at RDJ Doom, and says something like...."You're kind of like me, but inferior. There are no pretenders, only DOOM."
I was exaggerating an instance in my mind thar RDJ doing the arm opening pose and shitting in his pant at the same time...with the watery shit sound 😂😂
I'm gonna say it: They should have recast T'Challa and now, they should've recast Kang. My pick would've been John Boyega (for what its worth). There are reasons it can work, idwhi.
❓❓❓❓❓❓❓So you mean to tell me they can bring Robert Downey Jr. back,, but they still Can’t make a Blade movie? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 They can bring Robert Downey Junior (Iron Man) back from the dead,, to play a different different character. But they can’t recast T-Chala 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Still no black lead marvel film? Still No Blade movie? This is ridiculous 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 But not surprising. It most be really hard to make a black lead movie,, where the black man is in power. But Even if they did make a blade movie,, they probably would make blade a Simp for most of the movie,, or blade would Playing second fiddle to another (let’s say) character. It’s funny how Marvel can justify recasting characters. They can recast General Ross. But they cannot recast to T-Chala/King of Wakanda/Black Panther. How many years ago was Blade announced? It’s Absolutely hilarious and sad.
The ONLY way this makes sense is that DOOM used his sorcery magic 🪄 mind control and switched body’s with Tony who became superior Iron Man while he’s been gone!💯
As long as it's really Victor Von Doom and not a Tony Stark variant who becomes Doom, I'm good. Please, just give us the real Doom origin story and then go from there. I would sell my soul for a 6 episode Books of Doom series.
At first I rejected it but then I found out about the comic where they switch bodies. It's obvious why it's controversial but if people just inform themself instead of blindly complaining they wouldn't have so much of a problem.
There are just so many options to play Dr Doom that would be great. Recycling Robert Downey Jr might just be one of the worst options you could have taken. This just comes off as desperate and tone deaf.
I would like if that Tony and the avengers lost the battle with thanos. Tony survives and the rest of the avengers die or survive. Tony looses Pepper and Morgan. Tony will become hopeless and will become dr doom. He kills thanos but nothing good comes out of it. Kind of like the Nightmare timeline that Zack Snyder envisioned in DC.
It's controversial because fans will have to pretend that they are not looking at Tony Stark. It's the entire reason this never-ending MCU was always a mistake. They should have rebooted into an MCU2 after _End Game_ and began a new story. Actors get old. They move on. But now we get an MCU where Tony Stark and Doom are the same dude.
I didn't even like RDJ as Ironman cuz it's ironman and RDJ but The 2005 Fantastic Four movie had a better Dr. Doom than This already. Should have been someone else.
Extremely desperate. Not even kind of, like SUPER desperate. Also Russo Bros kinda desperate as well. Their other films post Endgame haven’t done well. Not excited, I’m confused and a little like Scooby doo Huh?!?! Kinda lame. Desperation all around.
Y'all gotta stop acting up. As long as they don't revive the Tony that we knew, they can actually cook something crazy. There's a thing called Infamous Ironman which is a variant of Tony Stark that becomes Doom. They could simply be merging Doom and Iron Man in to one in order to simplify things and mayhaps even make the BIGGEST parallel in cinema franchise history. Seeing the legacy of Tony clash with the visions of corrupted version of Tony can make for a conclusive event that can definitely top Endgame. though the one thing missing here is the 10+ years worth of build-up. But hey only time will tell, all I'm saying is that this doesn't have to be the worst thing ever.
if RDJ is a not variant maybe he’ll end up at universe 616 and then people will think that iron man is alive or what, he will used that power or situation to get back at the avengers and defeat them
I love RDJ. He is the GOAT. But to have him become Dr Doom is stupid. I feel like it ruins the impact he did in endgame. It’s obvious a cash grab imo. If Disney wanted to have an RDJ/ Tony Stark like character, they should have hired Johnny Depp to be Dr Doom, just have him be a Tony Stark impersonator. Familiar but different. But I think it would have been 100x better if RDJ played as Uncle Ben to a Peter Parker variant that looks like Tom Holland.
It’s 2026. Me and my fiance sitting at the movies watching this movie and mid movie my fiance asks “wait, is that iron man? Didn’t he die? Why is he evil?”
Ugh I can imagine this conversation happening all over the world
Then watching Thanos then cable. Then ff Then cpt America. It'll be fine. I don't have to explain anything to my wife.
You gotta explain alot of stuff to ppl who.dont watch mcu and.know everything. Nothing new
Doctor Doom RARELY takes off his mask because his face looks like a pizza so for all we know Marvel simply cast RDJ for his acting and nothing else
@@frankyfeson1781 lol. You really think they poured millions just for his acting and not to show his face? 🤣
I don’t hate it, but I don’t like it either.
I wanna see the *_REAL_* Victor Von Doom done right on-screen. Latveria, full of poise and imposing, science + magic, and all that!
You can’t talk about the ‘Real’ Doom before you even see a proper teaser.
This wouldn’t be the first time a controversial acting choice is made that turns out to be amazing;
Just look at Chris Evans when they auditioned for Captain America, after already playing Johnny Storm.
We’ll probably get that after the soft reboot. I think it’s a perfect way to end the saga and to have rdj go from being a hero to a villian is so poetic. Although afterwards I think a more latveria rueling doom would be made.
If Pedro pascal can do mr fantastic rdj can do Dr doom
Ayo lil bro HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THEIR NOT GONNA DON'T THAT?!!😭🙏🙏🗣️🔥‼️
I agree, it's gonna be either really distracting, becouse RDJ IS Iron man, or he will be the variant and then we wont ger proper Doom like we wished all these years
To be fair, thanos didnt really have a lot of build up, he just sat on a chair and said he would do it himself. All his development and character was in Infinity war. The build up was in the stones. You just have to explain what happened to kang and why doom is a threat over kang.
Well, that and they pretty much hinted where the direction of the MCU was going in Phase 1 with the post credit Thanos smirk.
Hardcore fans/geeks knew what to expect, and fed the casuals with what to expect.
@@_davidboxingeven now hardcore fans especially comic book fans know exactly where they are heading with the MCU
As soon as this casting was revealed hardcore fans already know which comic book they gonna take from
They arleady know secret wars is the collision of all the universes and a soft reboot
This is exactly what I was thinking
All the kings got eaten by ants because kangs are all wussies
Also, did really anyone pre infinity war care for Thanos? Also once doomsday comes out with rdj having essentialy 15 years of build up it'll be massive
Bringing back the Russo's
Bringing back Rdj
It just seems like marvel is getting desperate to get back to the pre-endgame era
Kinda ridiculous to pretend like the only person who could play dr doom is rdj
There already 2 Dr Doom and all of them fail. RDJ may actually be the perfect fit.
@hkspoon123 I'm sure he could be a fine dr doom but he already played iron man. It just takes away from Victor von dooms character.
rdj is pretty short, but he could look taller in the movie
Let him cook.
hes the only person who could have created this much hype and publicity
This actually feels like a joke, like a stunt they’d pull or smth like that. Like the fake Civil War title swap. Like come on
Bro we wanted literally anybody else than RDJ
Why do they keep fucking up Dr Doom? I feel like the character is straight up cursed
Cilian Murphy was so fit for the character of Dr doom
cilian murphy is an intellectual, he ain't gonna do comic movies
@@Maxtor-ve5nu he literally played scarecrow in the dark knight trilogy dumbass
@@Maxtor-ve5nu He did do a zombie movie
@@Maxtor-ve5nudidn’t he play scarecrow
If I'm not mistaken he auditioned for batman just to be loved so much they cast him as scarecrow.
TBH, RDJ _wasn’t_ my personal first choice for Dr. Doom, _but_ I’m going to keep an open mind about this.
Who was your first choice?
@@ajthapa3587 Someone like Benedict Cumberbatch (this was before he started playing Dr. Strange) or Bryan Cranston, perhaps even Michael Shannon.
Typically Doom wears a mask all the time so that RDJ is playing him might not come up, also under the mask he is horribly scared so he might not even look like RDJ
you're being silly if you think they'd cast rdj and not use his face
@@Marc-rw3dd you’ll be surprised
Marvel gave nano machines helmet to all characters so that they can show their face anytime
That was crazy when Robert Downey JR is announce to be as Doctor Doom
wowe!
"Who else would you want as dr. doom than rdj?" CILLIAN MURPHY, ADAM DRIVER, ...
Some tall dude doing the stunts, then some good voice actor providing the voice
The only way this works is if they alter his appearance. No one wants some Multiversal bullshit about an Evil Tony Stark calling himself Dr. Doom.
All they need to do for this to work is for him to NEVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, REMOVE THE MASK.
I think completely opposite of this. It is crazy to not see him as iron man. A variant Tony Dr Doom makes more sense. Otherwise they should just cast someone else as dr doom
dooms face is deformed in secret wars so im sure it will be in avengers secret wars. hell have the mask on most of the time
@@alexventose7931he obviously is going to tho it's so ass
@alexventose7931 idk about that, a marvel movie where RDJ doesnt show his face sounds unlikely
honestly people was hoping he'll be ironman again but i'm giving rdj as dr doom a chance
You and me both
For one thing, I'm betting he's barely going to take the mask off and is gonna have to rely on more body-mannerisms sort of acting so I'm betting it's going to be really different, kinda like Pedro Pascal with the Mandalorian
Deadpool is the new beginning. Hopefully peace will be restored
I like rdj i think he will somewhat nail the role but theres just better actors that just fit the dr doom personality better
@@MC_DOOM44 True but given the current circumstances we now have, guess we just have to work with what we've got now and hope for the best.
It's funny. I am a pretty massive fan of Doom and when movies kept making him either a mutant or trash-bag alien, I did at some point question "How is this so hard? He's like Iron Man, but evil and more intelligent."
But that was something I'd use to explain Doom on a surface level. What scares me is the MCU is SO "quippy" and self-aware now (argueably because of RDJ and his success as portraying Tony Stark). Doom better not be busting one-liners. That's literally the opposite of his character. I genuinely don't think I've ever seen him make a joke in the comics. I'll take it as a good sign if...
1. RDJ keeps the mask on or has an absolutely horribly disfigured face
2. Doom is imperious, brilliant, and threatening in previews
Desparate move in WB and DCEU fashion. They already started building Kang and instead of just recasting him they got scared and desperate and tried to ride that RDJ hype wave again. How to ruin both great villains in one move. Stupid cash grab move.
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Cillian .... It should've been Cillian Murphy
I love RDJ, I love the MCU, I HATE this casting
you dont think before you hate shit
I would have prefer Mads Mikkelsen or Cillian Murphy as Dr Doom and I guess you heard about the Masters of evil in Avengers 5 that Doom might be apart of.
mads mikkelson was already the villian in dr strange sadly, he also wouldve been a great doom.
@@Vexer70Marsha Ali was Cottonmouth in Luke Cage, Prowler into the spider Verse and now Blade
@@srstriker6420 ? what does that have to do with it
Nikolaj Coster-Waldau
@@Vexer70like how come he gets multiple roles in marvel while Mads Mikkelsen can’t?
If its victor, he should be from the Fantastic Four First Steps universe. If its a tony variant, make him from another universe like the universe of the Illuminaty or the marvels credits or something different.
I have a feeling this is going to be kind of their take on the maker, but instead of being reed it will a version of Tony that went bad and there will be another actor to play another version of doom
i just don't understand why they had to replace kang's entire character, instead of just replacing him with another actor. i mean marvel is definitely *not* new to replacing the actors/actesses of their characters so i don't see why they would ditch a character who was teased to be the new big baddie of the mcu as if it's nothing...and i don't think most ppl will understand why tony stark's actor is playing a villain unless they saw the previous movies & series of the multiverse saga, and THAT'S why kang would have WORKED...
Im ok with this under one condition.
It is not the infamous iron man. RDJ is an incredible actor with a lot of range, and I'm sure that he could kill this role. What concerns me isnt the casting itself, its the potential connection with Iron Man. If they try to make Doom this Tony Stark variant, its just a waste of the character. They need to do him justice and explore him in all of his nuances and complexities. We can have some internal conflict from Peter, but we don't need the character to genuinely be an alternate Tony Stark, in the same way that Johnny Storm isnt an alternate Captain America. Just let the casting be an easy way to make money, and don't try and make it an essential part of the story.
RDJ is old short and frail.
Dr Doom is physically imposing and an extremely handsome man. People constantly miss the point of Dr Doom as a character. No he is not just an “evil Iron Man”.
You are correct. He is not an evil Iron Man. I do not want an evil Iron Man. Downey is a chameleon when he is acting. He can dissapear into any character that he is playing. People seem to forget his talent due to the fact that he played hinself for ten years with Iron Man. If he works out a little bit and gets an amazing looking costume, downey will be great in the role.
Besides, Doom barely takes off his mask, and when he does, he is horribly disfigured. People will certainly be able to tell that it is Downey, but it will not be distracting to the point of ppl still viewing him as Iron Man. I just want an authentic Doctor Doom rather than an Iron Man variant, as Secret Wars is maybe my favourite doom storyline ever.
@@brandonfly4611 Dr Doom is not disfigured. He only has a small scar on his face. Jack Kirby even confirmed it.
People don’t understand Dr Doom. Dr Doom sees himself as the perfect man. He sees himself as the perfect physical fighter, the perfect scientist and the perfect magician. The small scar on his face shows he is not perfect and he insecurely hides it behind a mask and hood because of it. Doom is an attractive man behind the mask but his perfectionism doesn’t make him see it.
RDJ does not capture the “ideal man” Doom is as a character. He is a frail short 60 year old man.
Wow, we still aren’t getting a real Dr Doom, how unfortunate
I think it's dumb and shows their hand. they are panicked. and their big decision. shoehorn rdj mackintosh the mcu lol. I knew it was coming. cap will be back too.
My MCU RDJ Dr. Doom Theory: Through body switching or another plot mechanism, Viktor is inhabiting the body of a Tony Stark variant from another universe. As a last resort after realizing that it’s the only way (Consulting Dr. Strange on all potential future outcomes)….They agree to do what was sworn never to be done(A detail we’ll soon learn of, potentially even with foreshadowing in upcoming releases): The Avengers download Tony’s “saved state” consciousness from F.R.I.D.A.Y. By means of either a spell being cast or in some way more analogue, they manage force Victor back into his own body by integrating Tony’s consciousness into his alter. This climatically peaks with the return of Iron Man joining the team to defeat Doom, perfectly wrapping up the multiverse saga in a velvet bow and inevitably given a soft reboot following down the road.
- I also see a potential for them to declare OG Tony the anchor as a partial justification for The Avengers to make the tough choice.
- I’m still on the fence as to how much of the source material will be applied regarding Reed Richards.
Just killed iron man legacies
Wait. RDJ is good at disguising himself isn't he? Are they maybe going to put him under heavy make-up to change his appearance?
Thats exactly what they are going to do.
Schwarzenegger should be Doom. If he was younger
"Who else would you want other than RDJ to play this villain?" LITERALLY ANYONE ELSE!
Bryan Cranston hmmmm...., that is a good idea Lewis.
Too old. Maybe could work if he was 10 or 15 years younger.
Capitalising on Robert Downey Jr. as an actor. The studio knows he will bring in the money. That's why. Just follow the money. What ever the situation in any event, if something is a bit off, money is always involved.
My take is we legit have no idea what role RDJ will play in any of this. We don’t know if he’s playing a variant, if he’s gonna be the “main” Doom. NO IDEA so just to jump and say it’s ruined it’s over JUST WAIT AND SEE.
Terrible idea. Should have been Kang.
They made doom into a stark variant 😭
We don't really know that yet. They could go down that route or they could keep him as Victor Von Doom, we do not know their plans yet.
He's not really a stark variant. Or he might be a loosely associated variant.
Here's the thing, my wishful theory is that they are creating a hybrid between victor backstory and a hint of stark.
@@funkysam1345Any of that sounds awful. We wanted DOOM, not some multiverse bs excuse to bring back RDJ. This is a complete failure of a cast.
He's not a Stark variant. The Russos announced him as Victor Von Doom.
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The first two avengers movies were excellent because of the story arcs and characters introduced in films leading up to it. These avengers will have to stand on their own in order to do anything special. We very little to look forward to so far.
He's playing a character from a different Earth, not bringing back Iron Man from the dead a making him evil. How hard is it for people to understand
i hate this and im only a casual fan of 40 yrs. MCU cherry picked characters and is now struggling to join the dots. i felt Avengers never had any synergy with the other franchises its why i never took any interest in it. It jus gets too complicated, even in the comics.
I reserve judgement of all casting choices, because we were all shocked by Heath Ledger as the Joker.. and look how that turned out.
I think even originally RDJ was not taken seriously and he turned out to be the most beloved actor in the entire series..
So.. who knows what will happen with a great actor if put in great writing and directorial hands.
Honestly if the fantastic 4 is from a different universe coming over to the MCU I can actually see why Robert Downey Jr playing Doom would be just a variant that looks like tony stark instead of him being actual tony stark if that makes sense?
I got the same feeling like back when they announced Jonah Hill is the new Superman.
I think he can do it
Would rather see him back as iron man instead this is ass lil bro
@@andrewhall9330 noooooooooo! Don't underestimate
It felt very "break glass in case of emergency" ish. A cameo in Deadpool felt like this as well, tho no spoilers tho!
I was so hyped idk why everyone else isnt. Rdj is a great actor and they have great writers and directors as well. Avengers 5 and 6 is gonna be epic.
You know these assholes at Disney are just going to say he's a Tony Stark from an alternate universe who went evil and calls himself Doctor doom instead of Iron man
I can’t see myself not being distracted by him even if they keep his character the same.
He’s in GTA V as Cara Delevigne not Dr. Doom. He’s wearing her enchantress form like clothes over his suit.
I'm surprised he hasn't been on the cover of AARP magazine yet.
You wanna talk controversial, look at them still using Sabra in Brave New World. She's been cotneoversial since her debut in 1980 and shes even moreso now
So many people getting back into Marvel because of this yet i as someone who liked or loved most of phase 4 and 5 have cancelled my tickets for Deadpool and Wolverine, and might never watch an MCU product again, they are completely clueless and so is anyone who thinks this is a good casting, bringing back RDJ makes the infinity saga worse as the main character of it has his arc weakened, it ruins the multiverse Saga because they clearly haven't prepared for this and weverything so far is less significant, and completely wastes the main villain of all of Marvel by using as an opportunity to get attention instead of telling the right story, casting a mediocre choice for Doom who has many distractions and baggage is a pathetic casting
It's only controversial to the fans who just watch the movies/shows and don't read the comics.
But they did 2 story lines where Tony Stark becomes Dr Doom when Tony was in college, he was roommates with Doom and he tricked Tony to help create a device that would swap there minds and Doom would become Tony Stark
Was honestly at the edge of my seat when I saw the title "Avengers: Doomsday" appear on my screen since Dr. Doom is one of my all-time favourite comic villains, such an interesting, menacing, and complex character. There were so many ideas racing through my mind when they said that they had "the perfect actor chosen for this role", and when the mask was taken off and I saw RDJ I almost punched my screen. RDJ is one of the most iconic CBM actors, and he had a legedary and fitting ending in the Endgame, the though of using the same actor for two different characters seems desperate and downright disrespectful to Iron Man's legacy in the MCU. In my mind Cillian Murphy would have been an amazing fit for this role, along others. Marvel knew the deep trench they were in, and they knew that the sheer sight of RDJ would raise the hype and interest into Marvel and their upcoming projects, but at what cost? However there is nothing I can do now except for pray that they don't ruin Iron Man's legacy and decimate Dr. Doom's character at the same time.
So here’s the problem 1 of the questions is who else can play Doctor doom other than RDJ. There’s quite a few candidates, Oppenheimer he seems 2 have that coldness that Doom has and can pull off a cruel villain. If they wanna go a fanservice route why not Julian from the 2005 Fantastic 4 movies, have him reprise his role if Wolverine can come back as a variant y not RDJ as a Tony stark variant then, if Deadpool and Wolverine can bring back older actors 2 reprise they’re roles such as Wesley’s blade, Jennifer’s Electra hell even Chris Evan’s Johnny storm which is the same version from Julian’s doom universe why not bring him back 2 be Doom again? This move with RDJ being doom seems like a desperate move outta they’re hand 2 get old fans back that originally quit the MCU or took a break and this is coming from someone who was there when Iron man 1 was released.
It shows how lazy marvel is and unimaginative. This is stupid. LUKE EVANS would have been a better choice
Evidence? This has precedence in the comics. Stop speaking about things you have no knowledge about
@@samuelforce7883 that's besides the point. Still lazy
@@theharbinger00 why? It's a marketing decision and a smart one that isn't pulled out of their ass. That's the point.
This gonna make them so much money it's genius UNFORTUNATELY even if we dont love it we love RDJ he's arguably why it became what it became and we are all going to rush for the new avengers because of him
I find it poetic to end this multiverse saga with the face of the Avenger's greatest hero being their DOOM.
Well, you know what they say, beggars can’t be choosers.
Perhaps and maybe perhaps RDJ is a sort of Dr. Doom variant. I kinda find it hard to believe that he needs to return to the MCU for the money instead of focusing in other movie projects. It's a big surprise, even I didn't expect but wouldn't it be suitable if he returned as a Tony Stark/Iron Man variant instead? Just my opinion. He's a talented and successful actor, I think he'll do a good job as Victor Von Doom. What an amazing and unexpected development! Let's hope it pays off Marvel/Disney needs to deliver better movies and content for its loyal fanbase otherwise this ship will sink like the titanic. Thanks for the video, much success and keep up the good work.
Only poor people like you think having "certain amount of money is enough" lol. This is easy money for RDJ and he's going to save MCU's box office.
I give up on marvel. I thought Deadpool and wolverine would be their saving Grace, but after hearing this announcement it's pretty clear they have no more gas left in the tank. Here comes DC with James Gunn for the steal!!!!
while I love this casting I can understand why it is so controversial
The talking points about it feeling desperate isn’t really going to mean anything to the general movie goer. The movie will live and die by how good the movie is
I wanted Ben Affleck or Cillian Murphy to play Dr. Doom, but I'm fine with RDJ. I'm gonna let Feigi cook.
Maybe this is why Dr strange let iron man sacrifice himself
I don’t care what others think, it’s canon in the comics and it’s a massive move that can help correct the MCU. They don’t see the potential in this move they just wine about it instead.
There are so many other talented, actors that could make this role iconic, Mads Mikkelsen is who i would've chosen. I feel like a lot of people are lost in the high off of this shock announcement, because they like the idea omg Tony's friends ate gonna be so shocked and heartbroken, when the power of this reveal works better waiting to show it in the actual film. That way, the audience can experience the shock along with the heroes. This feels like it was only done, just to have a darth vader reveal moment. Darth Vader's revelation to Luke only worked, because the audience hears it with Luke, we experience the shock at the same time. If everyone knew that Vader was Luke's father before the character did, it wouldn't have that same power as experiencing the horror firsthand, with the protagonist. No doubt that the avengers will all have a "😱😭💔" moment, that's to be expected. It would've been so much better of they kept the identity a secret, and we discover it with the protagonists. I love RDJ as well, but why couldn't we have the REAL DR. DOOM, instead of a variant?🤦🏻♂️. I'm hoping THE REAL DOOM shows up, and looks at RDJ Doom, and says something like...."You're kind of like me, but inferior. There are no pretenders, only DOOM."
I find it poetic that the face that started it all will be the face that will bury it all. Shitty, lazy choice, lol.
I was exaggerating an instance in my mind thar RDJ doing the arm opening pose and shitting in his pant at the same time...with the watery shit sound 😂😂
I'm gonna say it: They should have recast T'Challa and now, they should've recast Kang. My pick would've been John Boyega (for what its worth). There are reasons it can work, idwhi.
I'm disappointed that he is coming back to play Dr Doom. They should have cast a newcomer to the MCU. This just seems so desperate of them sadly.
I viscerally hate this casting, what a terrible way to use Dr Doom, a complete waste
Well, they basically said screw making sense, let’s just go crazy until we drain the well dry.
❓❓❓❓❓❓❓So you mean to tell me they can bring Robert Downey Jr. back,, but they still Can’t make a Blade movie? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 They can bring Robert Downey Junior (Iron Man) back from the dead,, to play a different different character. But they can’t recast T-Chala 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Still no black lead marvel film? Still No Blade movie? This is ridiculous 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 But not surprising. It most be really hard to make a black lead movie,, where the black man is in power. But Even if they did make a blade movie,, they probably would make blade a Simp for most of the movie,, or blade would Playing second fiddle to another (let’s say) character. It’s funny how Marvel can justify recasting characters. They can recast General Ross. But they cannot recast to T-Chala/King of Wakanda/Black Panther. How many years ago was Blade announced? It’s Absolutely hilarious and sad.
Wait, he's playing Dr Doom in an avengers movie? I thought it was a F4 movie. Robert Downey Jr in an avengers movie is just weird
This is horrible disney just ruin everything
Good grief you children whine about everything.
@@wlewisiiiand he has the right to complain and dislike the casting. if it bothers you so much, move along
@@jadescornerthe complainers should move along not him, god damn Marvel haters will hate everything marvel
Telling a fan to move on while you're making a comment about moving on is pretty hilarious LOL
@@jadescorner yeah now you’re gonna run away because you don’t have the balls to reply to people lmfao 😂
The ONLY way this makes sense is that DOOM used his sorcery magic 🪄 mind control and switched body’s with Tony who became superior Iron Man while he’s been gone!💯
Read the “What If: Demon in an Armor” and you’ll have your questions answered
Getting a chance to play the biggest hero AND villain is a chance no actor would pass up
As long as it's really Victor Von Doom and not a Tony Stark variant who becomes Doom, I'm good. Please, just give us the real Doom origin story and then go from there. I would sell my soul for a 6 episode Books of Doom series.
At first I rejected it but then I found out about the comic where they switch bodies. It's obvious why it's controversial but if people just inform themself instead of blindly complaining they wouldn't have so much of a problem.
There are just so many options to play Dr Doom that would be great. Recycling Robert Downey Jr might just be one of the worst options you could have taken. This just comes off as desperate and tone deaf.
I would like if that Tony and the avengers lost the battle with thanos. Tony survives and the rest of the avengers die or survive. Tony looses Pepper and Morgan. Tony will become hopeless and will become dr doom. He kills thanos but nothing good comes out of it. Kind of like the Nightmare timeline that Zack Snyder envisioned in DC.
What If? Volume 9, Issue #1 from 2010. That's what they are going to do.
Yall calm down lol. This news is actually comic book accurate! I am excited!
Austin Buttler (if we want a younger doom) or Javier Bardem were my choices.
It's controversial because fans will have to pretend that they are not looking at Tony Stark. It's the entire reason this never-ending MCU was always a mistake. They should have rebooted into an MCU2 after _End Game_ and began a new story. Actors get old. They move on. But now we get an MCU where Tony Stark and Doom are the same dude.
I didn't even like RDJ as Ironman cuz it's ironman and RDJ but The 2005 Fantastic Four movie had a better Dr. Doom than This already. Should have been someone else.
Extremely desperate. Not even kind of, like SUPER desperate. Also Russo Bros kinda desperate as well. Their other films post Endgame haven’t done well. Not excited, I’m confused and a little like Scooby doo Huh?!?! Kinda lame. Desperation all around.
Wym he’s basically playing the evil magic version of tony stark.. no one else fits the role better than he does 🫶🏼💯
I dont understand all the people crying about this. Rdj is an amazing actor and this gonna be amazing
Cillian Murphy would have been a great dr doom
Y'all gotta stop acting up. As long as they don't revive the Tony that we knew, they can actually cook something crazy.
There's a thing called Infamous Ironman which is a variant of Tony Stark that becomes Doom. They could simply be merging Doom and Iron Man in to one in order to simplify things and mayhaps even make the BIGGEST parallel in cinema franchise history. Seeing the legacy of Tony clash with the visions of corrupted version of Tony can make for a conclusive event that can definitely top Endgame. though the one thing missing here is the 10+ years worth of build-up. But hey only time will tell, all I'm saying is that this doesn't have to be the worst thing ever.
if RDJ is a not variant maybe he’ll end up at universe 616 and then people will think that iron man is alive or what, he will used that power or situation to get back at the avengers and defeat them
IT IS RDJ playing Victor Von Doom.
It is NOT Tony Stark becoming Doctor Doom...
There is no way to not see it as Tony Stark becoming Dr. Doom. No matter what story they try to tell.
@@HercuLyncwhat? he barely takes off his mask any ways and they announced themselves that he’s playing von doom
I love RDJ. He is the GOAT. But to have him become Dr Doom is stupid. I feel like it ruins the impact he did in endgame. It’s obvious a cash grab imo. If Disney wanted to have an RDJ/ Tony Stark like character, they should have hired Johnny Depp to be Dr Doom, just have him be a Tony Stark impersonator. Familiar but different. But I think it would have been 100x better if RDJ played as Uncle Ben to a Peter Parker variant that looks like Tom Holland.
Love RDJ. But I wanted Cillian Murphy
He should be the ironman of the other universe
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If Chris Evan dosnt return as the human torch .. I don’t want it 😮
Is anyone else going to tell him, or...
I don’t think he’ll be the permanent/ main dr doom in the universe.
Ngl Cilian Murphy is the call for Dr doom