Religion - Tim Minchin
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- čas přidán 16. 08. 2009
- Tim minchin explores the topic of religion in style!
This came just after his song about god and anal sex (a brilliant little ditty entitled "ten foot cock and a few hundred virgins"), which is what he is refering to when he says "material like that" - Komedie
"Created by man to explain the existence of feet in the absence of the knowledge of the existence of Tony"
I have watched this dozens of times and this line still blows my mind.
+Jeremiah d goosebumps
+bingleton it could be toni xD
+Jeremiah d that line is a clever part of the show but wouldn't you think that even if mankind HAD known about tony, we would have invented a macro-world about god and his ways anyway? I guess things like the bible would have been much less ridiculous, no ark or adam and eve, but perhaps there still would have been a biblical text which says we should follow a god who tells us not to wear multi-fabric clothes or we'll be stoned lol
+dylan mansper DAMN this feels good, this explains alot and its kinda situation i am in it, right now
Ironically a hypothesis that fails Popper's criterion of scientific falsifiability, thus losing out to the religious explanation, which, acknowledging the issue to be beyond the sphere of Science proper, doesn't even make the claim for itself.
The opposite of Faith is not Doubt but rather Certainty. Everything is subject to the fallacy of the neglected aspect &all communication to some equivocation in the attempt to transfer understanding.
The world of now depends on Faith like any other, our currencies are Fiat, the whole banking/finance system that is the engine keeping our bouncy castle reality filled with enough air runs on the fuel of Confidence.
Metaphysics presents choices of worldview & traditions from the ever-expanding tree of options. 'Science' in the modern sense is a young Tradition, ('standing on the shoulders of giants'), the chief strength of which is a narrowly defined, highly prejudiced discrimination of the expressions of reality that it trusts & a highly accurate language in which to communicate (maths).
However it cannot even attempt to provide a comprehensive worldview without betraying itself, as it's deluded/dishonest culty younger sibling Scientism does by pretending that it is still Science and not some attempted coup against Religion in the form of a Kuhnian paradigmatic revolution.
Atheists and Agnostics need to answer the facts of history &why they could not build robust, fecund and competitive societies in the long run. "global studies have indicated that global atheism may be in decline due to irreligious countries having the lowest birth rates in the world and religious countries having higher birth rates in general" Cambridge Companion to Atheism p58.
Don't lock those minds away just yet...
"...as punishment for having a sort of schizophrenic discourse with a god who was created by man to explain the existence of feet in the absence of the knowledge of the existence of Tony"
Utter Genius.
Still fascinates me every time I hear it.
I wouldn't call having 4 kids at once a miracle. More like a waking nightmare.
NIghtmares are better. At least you get some sleep. That ain't happening with 4 babies lol.
@T Mox Technically, it is not bi-monthly. It is fortnightly.
R.i.p. pussy ..
It would just be a regular nightmare cause the kids wouldn’t be walking for about a year and her two
Yeah, and from a scientific viewpoint it's unfavourable at best. The human body is not properly equipt to carry two fetuses at once, let alone 4.
"So that I can justify groups sex whilst abhorring group prayer."
That line is flat out brilliant
Gonna leave on 69
It's also a good joke about moral relativism, which is inherently problematic and contradictory, since morality cannot, by definition, be arbitrary. i.e. he's not actually morally relativistic.
I swear Tim Minchin looks like a lost cousin of the Addams Family.
Who says he isn't?
I aspire to one day have someone say that about me
He looks like Beetlejuice when he was alive.
@@collegerebel He does indeed Brilliant..
The new film "Wednesday" about to come out in 2023. Can't wait.
"Religion was born when the first con man met the first fool." --Mark Twain
Science: I am willing to change my mind if reliable evidence is presented. I will question my own perceptions, and seek answers through further query.
Religion: I will not change my mind even if overwhelming evidence is presented! I will not question my own preconceptions, and I will seek to silence questioning by others!
I believe, you are actually wrong with this one.
While almost all religions have the problem with reversal of burden of proof, there is at least one major religion where your statement does not fit. I think it was Judaism. Or Islamism? I forgot, It was something from the middle east.
Anyway, Christianity works like this "why?" "because mysterious ways, shuddup" and Judaism(?) encourages questioning everything and there is even a phrase that says something like "if something is scientifically proven false, we have to accept that new reality"
Alu Targaryen Considering that it was the Book of Job, written by old Judaism, that most explicitely established the 'don't question! Just be thankful God didn't kill you!' in Abrahamic religions, I wouldn't try to be proud of that religion based on its revised reform interpretation.
The Book of Job is the one where 'God's' reply to 'why' certain things happen is just 'how dare you question me!' A response of threat, not an answer.
ok if you put it like that, it doesn't sound so good anymore :) thanks for clearing that up.
Alu Targaryen I believe that the dalai llama said something similar to what you were saying in your first post.
***** The people in this thread are talking about the methodology one uses when coming to his beliefs about reality. I'm sure you know some very nice religious people, I do too, but that has no bearing on whether their process of forming beliefs is based on superstition or evidence.
God loves Atheists, but isnt sure about agnostics.
A Mormon told me that they don't drink coffee. I said, "A cup of coffee every day gives you wonderful benefits." He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well, it keeps you from being Mormon ..."
I can't believe how many people in the comments don't realize that his comedic dumbing down of the theory of evolution was just that, a dumbed-down version for comedic purposes. I am quite certain that he knows very well that's not how it works.
KreeZafi well.......duh
Maybe it wasn't "dumbed down" enough for them to get it
I think irony would be wasted on you.... aaaah the condencending sarcastic satisfaction i just had...mmmm ooooh there it is again, and again....
no, he's serious, it's a lecture
Fucking tony!!!!!
God was created by man to explain the existence of feet in the absence of the knowledge of the existence of Tony.
Just too brilliant!
"...maths." Gotta love him
Is it ironic that I worship Tim as a god?
Well, at least you know he's real. :D
Like George Carlin used to say that he didn't pray to god, but to Joe Pesci. :)
cw3le Loved that bit!
cw3le Don't forget the sun......why? Because I can see the fucking sun!!.....RIP George
phantumgrey Yes. But, Joe Pesci gets the job done. ;)
lol
"And imagine what Tony would think, standing there on his brand new feet, on the brink of the beginning of mankind as we know it": "If only I had lungs"
Melody Starling Even though his evolution joke is good, it's so inaccurate!
+Deathbyblackhole I'm pretty sure we have feet... and that we evolved out of sea creatures... and that feet are useful on land...
Dihan Niloy It's still inaccurate...
Deathbyblackhole I just rewatched it and well... I suppose you mean how random mutations as large as a fish growing legs probably didn't happen
Dihan Niloy Yeah these transitions took a long time (as the fossil evidence suggests).
I remember, as a kid, thinking it might be a good business idea to create and market a placebo, without advertising it as a placebo, just to help hypochondriacs. I imagined homoeopathy before knowing about it!
Maxim T Potvin You must be an astrologer
Well you can’t overdose on it!
Well you can fucking Drown! 😂😂
Dara O’Brian religion
Heck, call Placeborant! Turns out placebos can work even when the subject KNOWS it's a placebo. Because, idk, squishy, squishy human brains...? ;-)
That's what about 70% of neutraceuticals are. They contain none of what's on the label, too little, or things that shouldn't be there. It's mostly a big scam.
Still has his piano, both of his legs and his wife.
Just sayin', theists...
And James Randi's million dollars is still as safe as ever, after all these decades.
Randi gave up on giving it away because it could be put to better use, if I remember
checkmate xD
WTF ARE YOU DOING DOWN HERE? go back to the video. Yes, now! go back to the video, it's a shitfest down here.
Thank you.
Yes, but sometimes the shitfest is funny. Especially when people start justifying their beliefs or lack thereof. Some of the mental gymnastics as they twist reality into knots is just hilarious.
ok, thanks for the warning
woah, thank F*** you were here, I nearly did it, I started scrolling. That was close.
welcome to the internet ......
Thank goodness for people like this young man. He uses laughter to bind us together.
About as funny as burning in hell...
...So pretty fucking funny if you think about it.
Was this a joke? Or are you legit offended?
PrinceOfPranks 'Twas a joke.
PrinceOfPranks Did you read the rest of his comment?
Silixtu Hibiski Well hell is for all eternity whereas this is only 10 minutes long. And you can switch this off.
Bogroll T Too right mate.
He's extremely educated and logical. Don't hate on him. We're soul mates.
There is a difference between placobos and homeopathic medicine. The price.
Tou doum, tsss.
You know what they call homeopathic concoctions that work?
Medicine.
LOL
Dude 🎶 you are stupid
No. It's called "mind challenged".
Homeopathic medicine is great for treating dehydration. Show me the sugar pill that can do that!
"So does... Cot death" I almost fell off my chair laughing
i thought he said cock death haha confusing but still funny
Mr TJM, I had to google cot death, I was guessing he was referring to SIDS but I wasn't 100% sure and like Joey Yang he said it so fast I thought he may have said cock death (which didn't make sense to me).
I thought he said “car death”.
"If anyone can show me one example in the history of the world of a single homeopathic practitioner who's been able to prove under reasonable experimental conditions that solutions made up of infinitely tiny particles of good stuff dissolved repeatedly into relatively huge quantities of water have a consistently higher medicinal value than a similarly administered placebo..."- Tim Minchin
So incredible...
Then I'll give you my piano... Or one of my legs... And my wife"
The fact that he memorized all that and recited it without stuttering even once is fucking insane.
His Albert Hall concert is still one of the all-time great performances.
Oh my good lord (teehee), how fantastic is that song at the end. I've come to expect genius from Tim, but, whenever I hear a new song, I'm always re-impressed.
Was introduced to Tim Minchin through a friend who showed me "Storm" a year ago. Even now, i consider this guy to be the greatest genius i've ever seen. Just wanna meet this guy and buy him a beer or coffee to have an excuse to talk to him for a few min.
I loved "Don't drive faster than your angel can fly." Quite funny.
LordKellthe1st
Why not
Tao33316 this is actually close to what I was taught. Though for me it was called staying under the blood( gods blood that he gave in order to forgive your sins). You rise above, go to a bar with friends or hangout with a person of the opposite sex that has a crush on you,vis versa, and you might wake up to find years have passed and you’re an alcoholic or divorced. Fun stuff like that for 9 year olds to learn.
@@marcuspainter4885 That's a sad way to look at what could've been a fun situation. "If you have fun you'll become depressed and an alcoholic by the way!"
@@weebiskey8910 sadly both of you are right, in a way. The blood thing refers to following your truth, whether that be positive or negative.
Well, things can be wrong AND funny.
Tim, you are great, and I thank Godlessness for you being here!
This is objectively the greatest comedy bit that has ever existed.
Needed this on Easter morning :)
Thank you Tony, for being brave enough to jump out of the water, coming directly under fire from the other fish for doing so, and growing and evolving feet that would later be passed on down the generations to me. I sincerely appreciate it.
I love it when CZcams recommends videos that I've liked from year's ago.
He's a genius. Luv him. So proud he's an Aussie. xx
narlacat68 Don't be too smug! You also gave us Ken Ham!😂
He was actually born in England by Aussie parents then moved bk
Love Kevin Bloody Wilson, his daughter Jenny Talia from Australia oh and Paul Hogan.
He's so incredibly natural... you get the feeling that no one went over his speech beforehand to weed out politically incorrect phrases, he just expresses his thoughts. Just for that, he deserves a huge bloody medal, and tons of radio time.
"I will give you...my piano
one of my legs,
...and my wife!"
I LOVE the little arm-jig he does just before the "and my wife" part! This guy is pretty awesome. I normally hate any kind of comedian's songs, but this cracked me up. First time I've seen any of Tim Minchin's stuff - a fantastic find! ^^
So much beauty. Love to hear your sage comedy words!
Wow. How have I never heard of this guy? Pure genius.
Not really. He admits that he holds a relativist morality to justify his own lifestyle. He is a fool.
@@harrylime9611 Relativist morality? That's the same kind of morality everyone has. And no, objective morality doesn't exist, sorry.
@@jameswatkins7763 Do you believe that absolutely?
@@harrylime9611 It's what I believe and I am open to counter arguments. Good luck trapping me with hard solipsism 😆
@@jameswatkins7763 You're the solipsist. Don't you see the contradiction yoi're putting forth? "There is no objective truth and this is objectively true"?
i love his humor and laugh of course, but everything he says is actually very accurate and reasonable. to me at least. i relate to this man. love it
Tim Minchin makes me laugh! What a brilliant man!
This never gets old
Best post in a long time :D
"The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church."
--Ferdinand Magellan
I came here looking for angry Christians
I'm a Christian. But not angry. God bless you!
I'm sorry to hear that, I hope you get well soon.
@@kenelyon795 good for you
@@kenelyon795 I mean that in a positive way. There are too many people who are angry at eachother for a refusal to accept thing that are slightly different. Too few of us have that. Have a wonderful day and if it means anything extra to you Im not religious but I respect your beliefs
@@keylime5281 thank you for the nice cordial comment. I offer the same to you. I reject atheism and agnosticism but I certainly respect those of differing beliefs. I don't think atheists are irrational or unreasonable for their beliefs. And I hope they do not think Christianity to be unreasonable nor irrational. It's a wonderful thing to live in a society where people are free to hold their own private beliefs which differ from others. And so we ought to put forth great effort to make sure free speech and freedom of religion or non-religion is defended.
This is the best thing on CZcams.
His philosophical AND linguistic genius amaze me.
if you open your mind too much, your brain will fall out lol
Kyle H it’s a quote from R Dawkins where he said of course we need to be open minded but not to the extent our brains fall out
And Dawkins is using a line Carl Sagan made famous in his book, who was referring to a skeptic named James Oberg who actually came up with the line originally. And I'll bet Tim Minchin read Sagan's book to which his joke is referring to.
Usually said by people who's brains have already fallen out and all over the place.
Exactly.
Like Minchin said in the Pope Song:
"I've no problem with the spiritual beliefs of other fuckers, while those beliefs don't impact on the happiness of others" :)
This video was preceeded by an ad by a relious group. Outstanding.
I've just discovered Tim. Now I have religion
Oh, my god, I never knew
He wrote his standup
In rhyming prose
Shows I'm a screw-up
Blind from those
Who are smarter than me
I'm thankful, though
I love when he smiles and shrugs his shoulders. He's so fucking adorable.
Bloody brilliant as always :)
Evolution bit was absolutely wonderful....
I love that he uses the creatards 'understanding' of evolution! Makes it even funnier!
This man is brilliant
This man is a genius.
There's a one in 64,000,000 chance that I'll ever watch this again.
I'd say, "It may have been one in 64 million... but you are one in 8 billion"
Shawn Silver But, technically, each of the quadruplets is actually 1 in 16 million
or even technically one in 108 billion people because the whole 8 billion people thing only takes in to account the people alive today
Statistics aren't my strong point, and I'm not sure how they got the one in 64 million stat, but I think you'd have to either consider the number of people who are giving birth or the number of people conceiving, or at the very most the number of people capable of conceiving, not everyone in the world. And it might only count natural conceptions.
The easiest number to find is about 130 million people born each day. Since some of those people are multiples, and some aren't naturally conceived, let's go ahead and cut that in half.
That still would have it happen on average once a year at current birth rates.
Could be more or less depending on how that original stat was reached, but I don't think it would be so significantly less that it could be considered miraculous in the sense Tim means.
Of course, miracle has long been used secularly to refer to things extraordinary or remarkable.
+bad1dobby Agreed. People are often overawed by statistics. But you are right, 1 in 64 million means about 100 events in the current population of the planet; so it's nothing special for about 100 of those cases to happen in the course of a generation.
You bear one of the more recent "mutations" which is red hair. Imagine being the first GINGER.
The calumny, the slander, the fear!
And then there's the reaction of everyone around you as well.
Beautifully put! Thank you :)
@AChefla To put it simply, you're smart. thank you for being on youtube to balance things out. youtube could use more people like you. this would be a much happier place.
The next fish I get I'm naming "fuckin Tony"!
Yup.. I really like this dude.
This guy is so talented, intelligent and simply fucking awesome.
Just thought I'd say thank's for the lovely new word, vocabulary's underrated
I love this cool guy !
I love his brain.
Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant!!
This is great... and very true! Very intelligent!
Reading through these comments it's clear that some of you don't understand that you can only get a PhD if your research is completely novel. That's the whole point. Regrettably there is much we still don't know about evolution. Lucky for me that's why my PhD is funded, to investigate the evolution of mitochondrial descendants in eukaryotic parasites. So if anyone is willing to give education a chance, I'd be more than happy to explain why evolution as an occurrence is fact, but the exact mechanism and driving factors currently up for debate.
im an atheist, and my knowledge of biological science is a bit rough around the edges (I barely know the basics... micro/macro evolution. That's all I was taught in school) ... care to explain your field of study? :)
Sure. As you may know, mitochondria are the 'power houses' of the cell, providing the chemicals that provide the energy required for many reactions. In eukaryotic parasites, such as malaria, these mitochondria have been shown to have changed in one way or another. My particular field of study focuses on a close relative of malaria, Cryptosporidium. In these particular parasites the mitochondria have lost all of their own DNA. They are also much smaller and lack the ability to make the energy chemicals (ATP). My exact focus is to see what processes, if any, still exist within this shrunken mitochondria (called a mitosome) and to attempt to show the step by step mutations that occurred, causing the mitochondria to become what it is now. Basically, done people study how 'chimps' became humans, I study how mitochondria became mitosomes.
Hey Christopher! Did you earn your PhD? I'd love to hear more about your findings and how the research went.
Really interesting! I would like to ask purely from an evolution point of view, where are feelings placed? And how shall we interpret it? If it something good for our survival or is it something that we will lose in future? I mean, just an academic thought. Does it have an advantage in survival?
Thanks for the time.
Christopher Miller Is there an example in which an organism gains or adapts their organelles to become more complex? In the mitochondria example there is nothing more complex added on.
A 1 in 64,000,000 million chance means that there are 109 other instances of said probability.
a 1 in 64 million, not 1 in 64 000 000 million (64 million milion)
Teodor Westholm Sorry, I tend to type it one way or another so I kind of, accidentally, made a typo!
Edit: Thanks, anyways!
The Crimson Fucker If you did that in your head, you're a math genius and I'm a bit jealous. Either that or I'm a math idiot who needs a sheet of paper to work things out.
Chris Tubestinks I'm way too stupid to make that kind of calculation on my own, so I used a calculator.
I've watched this video like 12 times in the past week
I love it! This guy is intelligent, and funny!
"Fuck off" seems reasonable enough to me *shrugs* too tame actually.
Atticus Fetch seems really mature now...
Robin Ashe-Roy :) thanks for this comment! This is exactly what he's talking about!
Robin Ashe-Roy I bet Schrodinger's Cat knows more than yours... ;-)
George Jetson That depends, did anyone ever look?
George Jetson Poor kitty :(
IAmNomadical
Schrodinger's Cat was theory only, he didn't participate in any animal abuse :)
Well said. Thank you for thinking critically!
I'm so grateful now that when I was a student at the University of California, Santa Cruz, we were taught NOT to roll our eyes and scoff. The goal was to educate a generation that believed history, poetry, science and spirituality are not mutually exlusive. The definition of an open mind was all encompassing. I don't think a professor that scoffed at science or religion woud survive long there. Survival of the fittest required people to NOT assume the hundreds of millions are all dolts.
If I had the permanent marker it would be
Magic Happens
...And So Does Science
touché
Yeah, and science is replicable and quantifiable and that helps (a lot) with its credibility, ;-)
Yes, please! Come to the US, epically after this shit election! Come to Seattle first, we'll be in the front row cheering!
[cont'd] though, I'm now a 26-year-old Master's Degree student. So, you're preaching to the choir about it being difficult. Granted, I know there are places on Earth where it's far harder to obtain an education than what I experienced, but as for first-world countries, I'd say my education tended toward the difficult side. Sorry for "coming late to the game," as it were! Enjoyed chatting with you. Let's shut up and enjoy the glory that is Tim Minchin :)
great upload! On a side note - FSMGauss - finite state machine, Gauss? Cool name ahaha
Believe in magic, you muggle!
Denisa Mihaela Now THAT was hilarious and spot on! 😂
Our names may sound the same Mihaela
"You're a fish Tony"
Such a talented musician.
Tim Minchin is absolutely amazing.
This is funny, and I honestly think this man is insane xD I like him
Ok I'm just wondering how do Christians know that it was their god that performed said miracle?... Using history, gods have been around for a lot longer than Christianity. So if in fact you have had a "miracle" happen to you do you have proof that it was an act of Christianity's god or that it was not an act from some other, much older religion?
its pretty simple, cuz there's only one God...it/he/she doesnt need a name. humans need names, identites, etc. me being smartass, right? :D I respect all other beliefs...I dont care if people are christians, muslims, atheists. I belive in some things. But let's hear something simple to think about. If we live in the world of cause and consequence...then we come to ...there must be a first cause...but how can there be a first cause? So there must be something eternal...and that I believe is God or whatever u wanna call it...I don't believe it/he/she wants to punish us or whatever...we punish ourselves with what we create :).
Pavel Skop Spinoza?
why is that when ever people talk about how bad religion is they always talk about christianity but never islam or judaism or sikhism hinduism buddism.
Isaac Wilkinson It's easier to focus on one religion, you probably debunk all the others in the process. And Christianity is just the most visible and present religion. (btw for me Christianity, Islam and judaïsm are the same thing with a different label)
Pavel Skop What the original comment is addressing is the fact that throughout history, there have been hundreds, probably thousands of gods/goddesses that were worshipped under different religions. The author of that comment is asking what makes the Judeo-Christian god more "real" than the hundreds/thousands of others that have are "not real?"
American Atheist Comedian who loves your work here!
Refreshing. I believe in the supernatural and the miraculous, and have a strong faith in the Goddess, however: I love this guy. Bravo for anyone who goes against "normal" human inclinations, especially if they are witty and smart.
I liked his set, but I thought that Tim misrepresented how complex body parts evolve.
They evolve incrementally, being useful in keeping a genome alive till it is able to reproduce.
The flight wings of feathers may have started out as body insulation that had to become more aerodynamic in order to hunt and escape predators, iterating until feathered creatures can glide and fly.
Well he obviously dumbed it down for the sake of the joke
Yeah, I get that, but I think he is misrepresenting evolution to a large audience when the theory is not as clearly understood as it should be.
You really think he doesn't know that..
Brilliant lol
absolutely brilliant!
Thankyou I love your awareness
Womb wonders?
Maths
I understand that some people look at atheism that way, but I can't help but see it as the most beautiful thing. In such a hostile place (the universe) our planet was formed out of the nearly infinite number of possible planets, producing just the right conditions to encourage life. Then the creatures progressed in just the perfect way, to lead up to the existence of mankind, and the birth of you, and everyone you've ever known. We are so improbable, and yet, here we are! I love it.
Tim Minchin... we sang together, years ago, in Cheltenham at the Town Hall !!!! Remember?
This is offensive to Tonyites everywhere.
I don't argue when it comes to religion anymore. Once I saw that ultimately atheism will win, I just ignore religionists. What trend am I seeing? Children are less religious than their parents. The trend is even pronounced to those who have finished college. In 5 to 10 generations, religion will be a fringe movement. Don't you know that just 40 years ago, that's about 2 generations, they were jailing people who go hunting or swimming or mowing lawn or what not on Sundays (lord's day)? Today we look at that sanctimonious practice as ridiculous. Same with eating meat on friday. Religion is dying. Just let it be. Be kind to your parents.
Let's hope no big event will get all humanity back on track to full obscurantism... *cough* coronavirus.
THIS DUDE IS FUCKING BRILLIANT!!!!! Just discovered him today.
Of course he does :)
His piano, his leg and his wife are things that he values alot. And he chose these to emphasize how sure he is that those supernatural things are never going to be proven because they don't exist. He could have also offered his life but that wouldn't have as much comedic value in this song.