How BASS Works (In Rooms) - Acoustic Geometry

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  • čas přidán 17. 06. 2024
  • This video shows what happens to bass - low-frequencies below 200 Hz - in rooms like recording studios, home theaters, and stereo rooms. A six-foot acrylic tube, a few action figures, funhouse glasses, and a tennis ball help simplify the otherwise complicated physics involved in how room dimensions interfere with the sound you hear.
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Komentáře • 299

  • @locust108
    @locust108 Před 3 lety +395

    I like how I learned something and was sold an ad at the same time.

  • @VictoryAviation
    @VictoryAviation Před 3 lety +173

    This demo knocks it out of the park explaining the acoustic anomalies associated with smaller rooms. Thanks so much for putting this together.

  • @BenBrossMusic
    @BenBrossMusic Před 2 měsíci +1

    As a musician who has significant hearing loss, listening to CZcams videos through earbuds for the last three hours, I'm struck by how clear and beautiful the sound of this video is compared to all the other videos I've watched today. Good to know there are people who understand and care about sound.

  • @brianabbinanti7021
    @brianabbinanti7021 Před 3 lety +55

    Clear, concise, and easy to watch. Love it!

  • @caseym6272
    @caseym6272 Před 3 lety +3

    Found your videos recently and I gotta say, I appreciate every single one of them. It's so cool and informative!

  • @Whitefox-pc7lp
    @Whitefox-pc7lp Před 3 lety +5

    I'm constantly researching sound related information and so I'm glad that I found this channel!

  • @lebohang8405
    @lebohang8405 Před 3 lety +5

    Thanks a million John,
    I saw one of your videos about speaker isolation a couple of days ago and I decided to test it. Went and bought rubber cushions for my mains and sub woofer. The difference is night and day. Magic 👌🏾👌🏾

  • @musergio1
    @musergio1 Před 3 lety +57

    Keep making these videos! This channel and the people behind it are amazing

  • @sebastianlopeziii
    @sebastianlopeziii Před 3 lety +6

    Absolutely brilliant!! John - thank you so much for your unrivaled advancement of acoustic education on CZcams. Bravo!

  • @auxilix
    @auxilix Před 3 lety +2

    You described so many concepts so quickly and well thank you.

  • @duythai5442
    @duythai5442 Před 3 lety +17

    Some of the very best demonstrations! Awesome work!

    • @Acousticgeometry
      @Acousticgeometry  Před 3 lety +6

      Thank you for the support!

    • @StupidEarthlings
      @StupidEarthlings Před 2 lety

      I wouldn't really call this video "demonstrations" as much as pictures and graphs.

  • @mrileeks
    @mrileeks Před 3 lety +116

    The use of props in this and every other video has been astounding. Props to you sir!

  • @YellowWalkman
    @YellowWalkman Před 3 lety +4

    This video is actually phenomenal. I learned so much knowledge!

  • @DrSamE
    @DrSamE Před 3 lety +3

    Wow. A video that was actually good info! Props also to testing at NWAA labs, Ron is a valuable source of knowledge!

  • @SideGateStudios
    @SideGateStudios Před 3 lety +9

    Love love love this video, well put.

  • @VenVile
    @VenVile Před 3 lety +2

    This is brilliant and beautiful. Thank you!

  • @Aks-jc3bq
    @Aks-jc3bq Před 2 lety +1

    Best Video I Ever seen on YT . Very well Explained Thanku So Much .

  • @steveg219
    @steveg219 Před 3 lety +1

    Nice job on creating a brief explanation of a complex subject

  • @Maynard0504
    @Maynard0504 Před 2 lety

    I finally understand "bass precision".
    Great channel!

  • @oldmal60
    @oldmal60 Před 2 lety

    Thank you. I learned something here can use. Plus your product looks good for my very small need.

  • @nkemebenezer
    @nkemebenezer Před 3 lety +1

    This video is very helpful. I have learned so much. Thank u lots and God bless you Sir

  • @Pippo.Langstrumpf
    @Pippo.Langstrumpf Před 3 lety +2

    Great description. Thanks

  • @MusicLiberator
    @MusicLiberator Před 3 lety +2

    yoooooooo this is actually insightful. nice work!!!

  • @roitadmor
    @roitadmor Před 3 lety +1

    The way you teach is very unique

  • @johanvanhuyssteen9217
    @johanvanhuyssteen9217 Před měsícem

    Awesome video. Thanks for sharing.

  • @drnandakumarakvelu1581

    Real Sounding Video.from massive Efforts..Thank you

  • @GunnyPhillips
    @GunnyPhillips Před 2 lety +1

    A complex topic for sure but this helped me greatly. Thanks!

  • @warpacademy
    @warpacademy Před 10 měsíci +1

    Nice video production. I really liked the visual examples and education on how bass works in rooms. You've said that porous absorption is not effective under 200 Hz though, and that's just untrue. If that was true, and the only thing that worked were pressure-based treatments, then you'd never see professional studio builders filling their rooms with rock wool and fiberglass at depths up to several meters. Those treatments absolutely work, way down to 30 Hz, when you build them with correct depth and density. I can support that statement with a real world experience and acoustic testing data.
    It's definitely correct that as particle velocity decreases the effectiveness of porous treatments declines, that's why airgaps are used. Even without airgaps, fiberglass can damp room modes down very low in the LF. In my control room we have a front-back axial room mode of 35 Hz that we treated with 1 m of fiberglass and slats. The low end is completely controlled.
    And of course pressure treatments have their place and use. But it's off base to claim that under the Schroeder frequency you cannot use porous absorption. People like myself are doing it with excellent effectiveness.

  • @babloovyas1080
    @babloovyas1080 Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks to you for explaining all these facts.

  • @anunakigaviria1105
    @anunakigaviria1105 Před 2 lety

    YOU ARE THE BEST, THANKS FROM COLOMBIA.

  • @krsticmilosh
    @krsticmilosh Před 2 lety +1

    Thank You this is fantastic video both as knowledge and study.

  • @omegahyperes96
    @omegahyperes96 Před 3 lety

    For the love of awesome sound, thank you!

  • @jasonvotaw5966
    @jasonvotaw5966 Před 3 lety

    Love the action man props!

  • @euphoriamusic9802
    @euphoriamusic9802 Před 3 lety +1

    very informative , thank you

  • @michaelyolch79
    @michaelyolch79 Před 4 měsíci

    Holy smokes! An engineer with a sense of humor. Very rare! :)

  • @keepitup3545
    @keepitup3545 Před 2 lety

    Thank you so much to be with us ❤️💖

  • @unclejamesx9808
    @unclejamesx9808 Před rokem +1

    Wow thats some informative stuff. Thanks

  • @SoundUnitedTraining
    @SoundUnitedTraining Před 3 lety +3

    Great video! Very informative and easy to understand.

  • @chawlamohali
    @chawlamohali Před 3 lety +1

    Beautiful!

  • @kingdavidakinyemi
    @kingdavidakinyemi Před 3 lety +1

    I love this so much!

  • @tungbif
    @tungbif Před rokem +2

    Great videos! Informative and made easy to understand. I'd love to see a video about the acoustics in a round room. I have a such room with a sound system and I'm having a hard time to understand how to manage the acoustics. It seems like the sound bounces in an almost chaotic way to different directions.

    • @KingOath
      @KingOath Před rokem

      It still works in a similar way to a rectangular room at low frequencies, except for the length and width are identical every which way, meaning there is one very strong horizontal room mode right in the centre rather than many weaker ones.

  • @neolyth
    @neolyth Před 3 lety

    Love this video, thank you

  • @norvillerodgersspeaks
    @norvillerodgersspeaks Před 3 lety

    brilliant video.

  • @pingfunk
    @pingfunk Před 3 lety +5

    Graham Hancock is schooling us on audio now too

  • @kian3548
    @kian3548 Před 2 lety +1

    I love how when he says 'bass' I imagine the word having an extreme bass boost to it.

  • @mr.wolfbeats3883
    @mr.wolfbeats3883 Před 3 lety

    Thanks for sharing! You're awesome

  • @freereacher
    @freereacher Před 3 lety

    Excellent!

  • @drsumantamajumdar2771
    @drsumantamajumdar2771 Před 3 lety

    Brilliant !!.. Thank you Sir !

  • @artvandelay4914
    @artvandelay4914 Před 2 lety

    awesome video

  • @cptbamboo2217
    @cptbamboo2217 Před 3 lety +3

    Studying audio engineering and this chanel is pure gold

    • @murphyalvin1893
      @murphyalvin1893 Před 3 lety +2

      Hey man, these are also extremely useful resources for studying the science of sound and recording if you're interested.
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    • @cptbamboo2217
      @cptbamboo2217 Před 3 lety +2

      @@murphyalvin1893 thanks bud!

  • @thomasriis1987
    @thomasriis1987 Před rokem

    Thanks Graham!

  • @mortaldread9379
    @mortaldread9379 Před 2 lety

    Awesome - I'm sold :D

  • @PotatoflakeJake
    @PotatoflakeJake Před 2 lety

    GOD YESS CANT WAIT TO WATCH EVERY FKING VIDEO YOU HAVE THANK YOUUUU

  • @InsaneCarville
    @InsaneCarville Před 3 lety +1

    Why wasn't this uploaded when I was treating my room for university studies over 2 months ago hahaha. Thank you though, informative as always.

  • @Sykologist_Music
    @Sykologist_Music Před 3 lety

    Nice infomercial! I’ll consider buying two of those if I can afford em.

  • @CoreZeroStudios
    @CoreZeroStudios Před rokem

    This is a great video I sent it to my audio engineers! One of them asked what happens with bass in headphones or earbuds. I know this is not the area that you specialize in but can you think of any place that would cover this topic? Obviously aside from CZcams. Thanks!

  • @not_who_you_think
    @not_who_you_think Před 3 lety

    great stuff yo!

  • @arjunxchauhan
    @arjunxchauhan Před 3 lety

    Nice done lads

  • @justinbeck8459
    @justinbeck8459 Před 3 lety

    This was great

  • @joshcrowe9105
    @joshcrowe9105 Před 2 lety

    Awesome content! By chance could you do a video on a round room? Or a Yurt Shape? I am helping a friend build a Yurt recording Studio and struggling to find much information on the general acoustic response of the rooms. Thanks for any help and the great knowledge you've put out! Cheers!

    • @johncalder9188
      @johncalder9188 Před rokem

      Round is the second worst geometry for a sound room after sphere. It hugely magnifies one or two frequencies beyond repair. I'd advise against it. Thanks, John Calder

  • @blancasusanamariles4655
    @blancasusanamariles4655 Před 3 lety +2

    2021: Acoustic Engineer consultant Designed my music room w/grand pianos(2) 25x35'. It is not s rectangle but has built up corner absorbers; w/Glass Blocks to absorb 50% Street bus noises. Sound travels 100'/sec

  • @adamskatharakis653
    @adamskatharakis653 Před 3 lety

    Good selling skills-- I'm totally ready to buy me a nice set of bass traps, even though I only use headphones. ;-)

  • @paulsarodh5460
    @paulsarodh5460 Před rokem

    Superb

  • @santoshgujar5237
    @santoshgujar5237 Před 2 lety

    Thank you, Sir

  • @keepitup3545
    @keepitup3545 Před 2 lety

    Love you sir ❤️❤️

  • @ChrisClark_808
    @ChrisClark_808 Před 3 lety +11

    I just go sit in the corner and wish the whole room was that loud.
    😂

    • @PerpetuusTenebris
      @PerpetuusTenebris Před 2 lety

      Same!
      (Fun fact, by the way, if you put a sub in and facing a corner with an obstruction (like cabinets) a few feet above it, the output is greatly increased throughout the room with fewer noticeable modes. It's the same with putting it under a desk or something like that. The modes even out to give more accurate output. Why do I know this? Testing! How does it work? Reverb I guess. I don't know.)

  • @victorygah
    @victorygah Před 3 lety

    So cool! Thanks. Where I can learn about this?

  • @robduff
    @robduff Před 2 lety +1

    Given all this information. What would be the ideal dimensions for a home recording studio?

  • @Akshaibiloniya
    @Akshaibiloniya Před 3 lety +3

    This video is like a bass poetry. ❤️

  • @snapascrew
    @snapascrew Před 3 lety +5

    Kinda want to take my homemade tube traps to that lab and have a full test day hahaha

  • @jeremyuzan1169
    @jeremyuzan1169 Před 3 lety

    Awesome

  • @ydlp7705
    @ydlp7705 Před 3 lety +21

    Yeah science experiment with imperial system..
    Gotta love laws of physics!

  • @sstefanos00
    @sstefanos00 Před 3 lety +90

    Exceptional video! But what have "I" learned??? That I am not going to be able to sound treat my living room unless I buy expensive accoustic panels that must be placed by expensive specialists who know what they are doing....Oh well...

    • @johngarbutt
      @johngarbutt Před 3 lety +18

      I agree. Interesting video but no help whatsoever with setting up my hi fi system and in particular my sub woofers. well its back to good old trial and error for set up.

    • @jasonLJ
      @jasonLJ Před 3 lety +2

      ​@@johngarbutt just buy reputable bass traps, the more the better basically

    • @krismichalsky
      @krismichalsky Před 3 lety

      @@johngarbutt I agree guys, there is some nice knowledge in here, but as for me and my setup, this doesn't really do much for me other than to play around with my own testing of acoustical materials and where place them in the room and then for the hours of listening tests as in A to B and back to A....

    • @TroyTurnerHifi
      @TroyTurnerHifi Před 3 lety +7

      I think this video is marketing targeted to the very specialists you mention.

    • @chrisw5742
      @chrisw5742 Před 3 lety +4

      @@jasonLJ bassically

  • @timmypena241
    @timmypena241 Před 3 lety +1

    You’re an internet hero.

  • @kloss213
    @kloss213 Před 3 lety

    You can use multiple bass systems distributed around the room this allows a more even frequency response.

  • @fuuuuuuuguuuuuuu
    @fuuuuuuuguuuuuuu Před 3 lety

    And here I was, still subscribed to acoustic fields lol

  • @MarcoAGJ
    @MarcoAGJ Před 2 lety

    Nice.

  • @onlyKobo
    @onlyKobo Před 7 měsíci

    That tube is so cool

  • @andyh8239
    @andyh8239 Před rokem +1

    Absorbing the room effects... Does that also increase the sound pressures in certain areas that were otherwise cancelledbout by a room effect?
    I.e. Lower spl at resonance, and higher spl at a null?

  • @awookieandagerman
    @awookieandagerman Před 3 lety

    Cool video! I wonder if you can talk about some design solutions to these bass problems. Like, what would be the ideally dimensioned room for accurate bass? Or what about a room with no parallel walls? Would that make it easier to achieve accurate bass? Could the walls be fitted with textured shapes that disperse sound, or would it be better to just have them angled away from each other, or maybe both?

    • @ericfranke1637
      @ericfranke1637 Před 3 lety

      To answer that, you have to know ahead of time where the speakers and subs will be placed before the room dimensions can be optimized. See Floyd Toole.

    • @johncalder8490
      @johncalder8490 Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks for your questions! Designing a room without parallel walls and non-parallel floor-ceiling geometry is a great partial solution, and many recording studios and high-end listening rooms do just that. But volume-based low frequency resonances (the same effect as blowing across the top of an empty bottle) will continue to be a problem. Also, due to room crossover, there are no diffusion treatments that will diffuse wavelengths longer than the room dimensions. The best solution to room modes and bass resonances will include combining effective low frequency absorbers with optimal room geometry design (as well as optimizing speaker placements).

    • @awookieandagerman
      @awookieandagerman Před 3 lety

      @@johncalder8490 Thanks for the answer. Is there a program you use to determine optimal speaker placement and absorber placement in a given room? Also does room crossover cease to be a problem if your room is large enough to contain any anticipated bass wavelengths?

  • @antesmeridano
    @antesmeridano Před 2 lety

    fantanstic music science

  • @MykTAOfficial
    @MykTAOfficial Před 3 lety

    That why i love my concrete room as it makes a small bluetooth speaker into a large sounding subwoofer

  • @christiantorma2440
    @christiantorma2440 Před 3 lety

    sehr sehr geiles Video 😎🤘😎🤘😎🤘

  • @joecaljapan
    @joecaljapan Před 3 lety

    NWAA Labs gave me a chuckle

  • @lilgigi8221
    @lilgigi8221 Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks for sauce, Sir

  • @Frietpan
    @Frietpan Před 5 měsíci

    when i look at the room correction results on my avr i can see there is a huge dip in response at around 80hz from a bunch of channels that dip also did not get corrected by the room correction.
    is that a room mode problem or a null as the video talked about?

  • @christianocean8998
    @christianocean8998 Před 2 lety

    Amazing !!! The bass is always a problem in the room ... Which is the best bass trap to use in a small 17-18 m2 room ? Thank you

    • @johncalder8490
      @johncalder8490 Před 2 lety

      Hi Christian, thanks for your question! The room modes present in your room would depend on the room's dimensions - how many meters wide by length by height. Divide each dimension by 331.5 (speed of sound at 21 degrees C.) to give you the approximate modal frequencies for each axis (width, length, height). These "Axial Modes" are where your strongest mode additions and cancellations, depending on location in the room, will occur. We prefer to treat low-frequency (LF) modes with broadband absorption (we also prefer not to use the term "bass trap", as it has been widely misused). The combination of our two membrane LF absorbers work from about 45Hz to above 250Hz, fairly efficiently - the ratio of Curve Diffusor (each of which have a built-in LF absorption MLV membrane) and the CornerSorber (a dedicated LF corner membrane absorber) is about 3-4 Curves for each CornerSorber pair. When properly placed at 1/4-wavelength (room dimension) locations along each wall, Curves work very well to diminish modal energy. The CornerSorbers are placed in any room corner. I hope this helps!
      Thanks again!

  • @JoaoFarias07
    @JoaoFarias07 Před 2 lety

    Bass is life.

  • @CobraChamp
    @CobraChamp Před 5 měsíci

    Do your bass absorbers absorb evenly at all low frequencies or do the target the resonance frequency of the room?

  • @CobraChamp
    @CobraChamp Před 5 měsíci

    This is a great video breaking down the complex topic. I just wish you'd have given credit to the proper name, and credited the discoverer, of the Schroeder frequency.

  • @TriPham-xd9wk
    @TriPham-xd9wk Před 2 lety

    Would sound high intensity create tsunami too? Possible and by superposition freeway and drainage design accurately could be able to generate tsunami from freeway traffic

  • @audfrknaveen2256
    @audfrknaveen2256 Před 2 lety

    Hi ....is the soft copy/digital copy of the book MODERN ROOM ACOUSTICS is available yet ??

  • @Borderlands808
    @Borderlands808 Před 3 lety

    Anyone know what happened to “directional sound”? As in only people in front of a speaker can hear what’s coming out of it.

  • @jcisme
    @jcisme Před 2 lety

    So these are a broadband membrane absorber ? I thought membrane absorbers only worked in a very narrow band and need to be build to for the room after extensive testing ?

  • @RealHIFIHelp
    @RealHIFIHelp Před 3 lety

    Interesting.

  • @nicolasnaumceski9209
    @nicolasnaumceski9209 Před 3 lety +1

    top !

  • @chinmeysway
    @chinmeysway Před 2 lety

    Finally getting somewhere maybe which is actually hard bc every info source on this arena is biased toward their own products.

  • @marcaoliver2965
    @marcaoliver2965 Před 2 lety

    Just curious, how does different densities of walls affect the sound, like is are hardwood walls and floors perhaps better than concrete floors and sound dampened drywall, like is there like a preference or just whatever is easiest to control in general is the goal

    • @johncalder8490
      @johncalder8490 Před 2 lety +1

      Good question! There are differing views, of course. To control low frequencies in rooms, some people hold that the most-dense wall structures are best, some believe semi-resonant drywall structures are best. My own preference is for solid non-resonant walls because it is very difficult to predict how a drywall or other non-dense structure will behave after installation. The stud centers, number of screws and their tightness, whether multiple layers are used (and if Green Glue or similar is used), and other construction variables seem to argue in favor of solid, dense, and isolated walls, ceilings, and floors. Then accurately-tested and effective low-frequency absorbers should be used to mitigate room modes. IMHO. Thanks for asking!

  • @pietrobassoli
    @pietrobassoli Před rokem +1

    No comment Perfect

  • @williamchen454
    @williamchen454 Před 3 lety

    What problem does the room crossover cause in practical terms? Longer decay times? Problems with amplitude?

    • @johncalder8490
      @johncalder8490 Před 3 lety +1

      Below room crossover, using fiber-based absorbers is far less effective for absorbing low frequencies than using membrane LF absorbers. The room mode resonances which are responsible for room crossover cause much longer decay times at and around the modal frequencies, which also results in widely varying low frequency amplitudes at modal frequencies at different dimension-based locations around the room.