How To Get The Most Bass Out Of Your Room!
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- Looking for more information on how to eliminate those pesky bass nulls in your room? Our very own Lonnie Vaughn helps you understand the science behind those nulls and how to fight back.
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Extremely beneficial. Added an additional sub, made the world of difference
Old man + subwoofer = good quality
Just like the old guy in the gym. They know a thing or two.
Rip logic
As soon as I saw that gray here I was like he knows what he’s talking about!
@@sachkiratsingh4596?
@@kaufmanat1 ,!!!
I'm a bass guitar player. Smaller speakers have lots of focus when it comes to low frequencies. The best cabinet I ever had was an SWR Henry The 8x8. It has 8 8 inch drivers and a tweeter. I was flat down to 37hz and sounded incredible!
very informative video. I might be trying one of those subs on my system
Very good information; Thank You !
I just got the Bose 500 bass module with bose tv speaker and im very happy it is in my gaming room
Awesome review, very informative👍
Hello from Ottawa Canada Loonie !
Great subwoofer (s) placement explanation!
Nice , Very informative !
Wow, do it wirelessly!! Got to do that!!!
Thanks sir for information i understand now zone dead is really 👍
Svs ported subs are amazing. Completely made my home theater 10 times better . I got dual pb3000 and let me tell you . Those subs can perform well
I have only one and can’t imagine what 2 can do. It’s literally a mini earthquake in my dedicated theater room lol
I wonder how Emotiva subs compare with the SVS line?
I love 8 inch subwoofers, especially for a a car or truck. At home, double up on a couple of quality 8 inch subs, and you can fill a room with bass. I think 8 inch subs are more "musical" in nature. It you want tight punchy bass instead of a "fart machine" check out 8 inch subwoofers.
I love ur listening sir👍
Good stuff!
Thank you!
good video. Really interested in checking out one of these subwoofers. Thanks!
Glad we could help!
Good to see you Lonnie. I hope you are doing well in this crazy Covid-19 time. Great explanation on the Subwoofer tech.
Lonnie rocks! Love this man 👨
, and hold on before your freak out.. lol. You guys make some of the finest audio components on the market, for the right price.
My room had carpet for the last 10 years I've been enjoying what I thought was the best subwoofer performance. Oh no my wife decided she wanted hardwood floors, well we both have allergies so the doctor said hardwood floors would be an improvement, so we had them installed. Here's why I posted this comment, now with the hardwood floors, my subwoofer performance has increased. Now the deep sound really gets into your stomach, and the floor even vibrates. Let me know what your opinion on carpet versus hardwood floors, for me it was a tremendous improvement. Thank you
Your right. My subs sound way better at my rental house that has hardwood floors but, the new home has thick carpet you would think but, nope lost quite a bit. So next year definitely taking off the carpet going full flooring also you do get less sick with having floors.
@@mosthated8848 Yes my wife's decision to get hardwood floors almost started a major argument. But thanks to my research hardwood floors would add to my subwoofer experience. After the hardwood floors were installed we watched our first movie, the soundtrack specially the explosions of the rumbles all that stuff, much more significant. Lucky we live our own home, condos and apartments are tough to replace floors, but if you do replace the floor to a hardwood floor in apartment or condo, I guarantee your neighbors are going to start complaining. The hardwood floor really transmits the sound almost like it's another cone of the speaker.
@@mosthated8848 Ya, floors are a must in any house. 😂
I may be a slight exception to the "I don't care how big your towers are" comment. Each of my tower speakers has 2 independent subwoofers, so 4 subwoofers on independent DSP and amplifier channels. (10" ported plus 12" PR.) It's inspired by the Genelec W371A. But it's all powered by one of your amps, so I think we're good.
Wow very slick!
Wow that v-sub tranmitter/receiver device sounds like a great idea.
Good presentation had me glued to the end.
Thank you.
Bring this series of subs back.
curious you drew sound waves coming from the front speaker but yet there is a speaker on the bottom what type of waves or sound comes from the bottom speaker does that just go into the floor whats the deal with the downward faceing speaker ?
I have the option of getting 2 8 inch or two 10 inch, this video makes a compelling argument for the 8.
Super helpful video. It was a thorough and insightful explanation of a real problem and I was turned on to a solution (Wi-Fi sub connection) that I didn't know existed. But three sets of ads in a 9:19 promotion if your products made the trade feel much less equitable.
With the virtual system, do we lose the ability to use the high pass filter as we would with a wired setup? Thank you.
Hey I'm a newbie with all of this, and today, earlier I ordered this inexpensive Yamaha Sub, that was touted as one of the 5 best budget subs. It cost less than half of this, but I'm going to save up my money so I can have a better than decent sound system. I have a lot to learn, and I'm excited to learn more about Emotiva, which Randy over at CAM just loves your systems. If my present sub doesn't cut the mustard, then I'll just save and get this one. I have the Sony SSCS5 which has a great reputation and reviews for my budget, first budget system. Got a question...would those mini things work on other subs? And FYI, some of your links are dead.
the moving mass is stopped by the non-ported interior volume of air in the subwoofer (kiss it goodbye if it's ported), and also by the mass of air against the cone, so you want greater cone surface area per unit of moving mass.
Q: If you're going to use multiple subs for a home theatre and the Direc room correction, should each sub be on their own VSub-1 (say for a 7-3-6 system), or just one VSub-1 connected to all 3?
3 subs? Is using 3 subs advisable or is it better to use either 2 or 4
The intro sounds great on my Blaupunkt 8 under my truck seat
My 8 inch i put on the room corner is it good desition sir
Could the transmitter be used on soundbars?
Cheers 🔥
Ohh! Two woofers in one sorprendente!
my question is how many subs can the processor support before sub sub processor would be a need not to mention sub processing option where you have a 7 channel main plus the effects channel 14-21 channel with daisey chaining subs if you got the capacity within the processor to stop dead zone if you were applt subs throughout room you would be looking a delay response time between each sub
though if you are going to consider something within 4 channels for sub output from processor you could be looking at 28 subs if a 7 channel output is applied
you can be looking at 7-14-21-28 speaker alone
though I would have to ask what is going to between the main processor and the amp to upto 28 effects speakers
I already own enough speakers to effectively do a 10.2 audio setup with purchase of 2 more subs 10,4
center left
center right
front height left and right
front wide left and right
main front left and right
4 rears left and right
if you were to aooly sony's model from the 1990's was 22.6 you still need secondary processor to double the channel output from main processor..
at the moment i'm looking for proper 1u options to cater for more hdmi inputs
8" and 10" subs are hard to beat for musical applications. I have 2 10's on my living room system and 2 8's on my bedroom system.
If you are going to sit in the exact same spot and position the single sub right, do you still need a second sub?
I have an integrated DAC/AMP (Yamaha wxa 50) and passive speakers (PSB Imagine XB). I’m thinking of getting the Emotiva Flex S8.
The amp does not have LFE or high pass crossover on it- so I assume I need to run from amp to sub, then sub to speakers?
If I do it this way- it will be with speaker wire- not RCA inputs. Does this mean I lose the LFE and high pass crossover functions?
The S8 does not have a high-level output, so you can't feed the speakers from it. But you can split the speaker output, some amps, like Emotiva's mono-blocs have two sets of output posts so you connect one set to sub high level and the other to your speakers, but you won't get a crossover that way, just level and maybe phase.
So you'd need a separate amp and put the sub between the processor and amp. :(
There are subs with HL input and output though, so one of those is likely a better option for your application.
Can't overcome dead zones? Joke's on you, I watch all my movies in an anchoic chamber
Which probably sounds very "dead" - like a one big dead zone. 🤣🤣🤣
anchoic chamber is not good for movies.its very very bad.its only good for music prduction
@@bigben9056 so you're telling me a waste $200,000 building an anchoic chamber only to get a suboptimal viewing experience watching reruns of The Simpsons?
@@eubikedude it sounds surprisingly similar to wearing earbuds.
Sir is the size of subwoofer?
And pls can you tell me the dimensions of the cabinet ...that u are showing in this video.. pls 🙏🙏
I have 2 subs in my 10-10 room..Only problem is..Both subs are playing though one signal..My reciver Has 2 subs inputs.but its really only one..So,How would i set them up.and,on the phase side,should 1 be on (0) and the other sub be on(180)? thanks..joe l
i found putting it behind my couch makes for the best spot
but what about the delay between highs and lows?
what would hapen in the one in the bnack was outa phaze with the one in the frount
Can you mix sub sizes to get better response for that drivers size? Example a 8inch sub should produce snapy bass far better then a 18" so could you run 2x 8inch subs and 2x 18's with the 18's crossing over where the 8s fade out say around 40hz?
Yes. As long as they aren’t in the same box or trying to create the same frequencies, it’s ok. I got 2 deaf bonce sa305’s playing 10-63hz and my EVL 6.5 picks up 64-120
Then prv mid bass coming in at 120, picking up 120+. Arnold’s in the door, not a sq setup by any means but it hits everything the way it’s supposed to.
#love it!
I want 1...2 purfect + a bonus not having to run cables
Great video about using dual subs. I upgraded about a year and a 1/2 ago from the s8 to the xS10. Very recently I upgraded from a Cambridge Audio AXR receiver to a CA CXA integrated amp. I remembered watching this video and dug the s8 out of storage and hooked it up to the amp's preamp outputs.
I toggled to the power switch on and off for comparison and there is a distinct difference in performance when both are on. The bass sounds cleaner and fuller, with better staging. 9:19 9:19
What is the delay of VSub-1?
How much power in the sub amp?
Excellent video. Last week Friday I ordered my second Emotiva BASX 5175 amplifier. Are those wireless transmitters compatible with any subwoofer or are they exclusive to Emotiva subs?
They will work with any subwoofer.
Hey Chavassea I have one of those also, operating well. Buy another one wow don't get me started.👍
@@brettspicer6463 Hey man... Yep I did buy another BASX 5175 on a crazy discount...( Under $500 ) and it's being delivered in Tuesday next week!
The difference it's made to my system is staggering.
Why wouldn't multiple subs also create points in the space that are over amplified?
god damm this is good information
I agree!! Guy knows his stuff
Please Can I connect my inbuilt subwoofer to this subwoofer
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can i run this between a DAC to powered speakers using RCA with the crossover functionality?
Yes, DAC output -> sub input -> sub output -> speaker input.
my 2 12" klipsch subs absolutely destroy my JBL Eon618 PA sub in the same size space...I figured the 1 18" was enough but nope...need to add a 15" to the setup...18 is massive and just don't have the room for another 18 lol.
Friggen great tool this video is thank you for sharing your knowledge, Personally I think the biggest sound killer in every home is the wife/girlfriend. "Does it really have to be that loud" ( in the most annoying loud pitched voice during the absolute best scene of the movie.
Women 🤦🏻. They simply don’t understand to feel and hear every little detail.
From a two channel only perspective, would it make more sense to have two subs in the front (with the towers) or should the crossover frequency be set to mono if the subs are not parallel to the mains? Will you ears hear a difference for music?
Yes, two subs are always better than one. Once you hear two subs in a stereo system, you will never go back to one sub. Which sucks, because as you upgrade, which most of us do, now you will look at pairs of subs vs just one.
And one thing that is rarely if ever discussed about using two subs, especially in stereo, is the fact that it increases the actual soundstage of the music being played. In other words two subs will put you at the concert on the stage, depending on your speakers, vs sitting in your listening area and hearing sound out of two boxes.
Two, or dual subs, will make a substantial difference in the listening experience. I have two of the SVS SB3000 subs paired with the KLH Model 5 speakers powered by a high powered amp with lots of grunt and headroom, the XTZ Edge A2-400.
The Model 5 speakers are getting roughly 200+ wpc which really opens the speakers up, especially when paired with the 13" sealed SVS subs. The soundstage is HUGE when the subs are in the mix, you are there. Turn off the subs, and I am back in my living room. Subs make a difference.
From my understanding, it doesn't make sense to have 1 subwoofer playing the "left channel" and 1 subwoofer playing the "right channel" because most recorded materials (songs, movies, etc) won't have different bass notes for each channel.
And even if they do, bass is pretty omnidirectional... so you wouldn't be able to tell where the bass is playing from.
I don't think you can easily create a "stereo image" for bass like we do when listening to midrange and highs with our speakers.
The main benefit of having 2 subwoofers is to mask the dead spot that the other subwoofer creates in the room, like stated in this video.
So basically, if you have no dead spot in your main listening area you may not need 2 subs...
BUT in a home theater setup, you usually have greater seating area composed of multiple rows of multiple seats... So it makes a lot of sense to use multiple subwoofers so that the bass will be better across that whole seating area.
Concerning the crossover frequency, I'm not sure what you mean by "mono".
Crossover is usually the "crossover frequency" expressed by a number of Hz.
You need to choose the frequency at which the subwoofer will start to play the bass notes.
That frequency depends on which speakers you use and what their roll off looks like.
For example, if your bookshelf speakers go down to 60hz, you could low pass your subwoofer at bit higher, ex 80hz.
That way, your speakers play from 20khz (highs) to 60hz (bass) and the subwoofer 80hz (bass) to 20hz (low bass).
Hope this helps! ✌️
For my PCs sound system I went with a 12" subwoofer facing the corner, an 8" sub aimed at my crotch, and a 7" sub aimed down at the huge dining room table I use as a computer desk since my speakers and 43" monitor won't fit on a normal desk. Those are combined with two pairs of better-quality (but still not great quality) Logitech speakers and a pair of vintage Bose 305s powered by a $40 Pyle mini-amp, but the system didn't fully come alive until I added a pair of $50, no-name bookshelf speakers that sound so good they may actually defy physics, actually seem to perform to the manufacturer's claim of a 40-18,000 Hz frequency response (and the 5" drivers actually keep oscillating down to about 18 Hz), and match my decorum's and RGB's color scheme of black and red. The entire setup cost around $700 and I would put it up against most any system under $5000 - my RTA says 22-19,000 Hz at +- 4.5 dB at 114 peak dB, and I hear little id any distortion, but then again I'm not an audiophile, just hobbyist.
It bears mentioning that my goal was only to provide a "sweet spot" in the central position in which I sit when using the PC, and all measurements were taken from there.
I wish you had focused on the white board so as to get better understanding of the sound stage.
Hi Sir... I am Confusing in taking Decision for front firing driver Vs Down Firing Driver Subwoofers, Which is Best ..?
The one in the video kind of gives you both in one box. :)
There's also the "sealed vs ported" choice too. All of them have plus/minus, ported play louder but can be "boomy".
If you've thick carpet, probably ftont/side firing is better. Placement options play into it two. But always get at least two, more than 4 is probably a waste unless you have a large room to fill (diminshing returns) or a large budget or want to split bass redirect from LFE (which is a great thing to do). Then you want 2 for each as a minimum (4).
So maybe start by sizing two subs from your room size and budget and try that out.
@@eubikedude Thank You
The 8” subs give better bass for scenes with helicopters or tight bass scenes or music. I have a 12” sub for my deep,deep bass and a 8”er. I like the purchase I made. When I listen to music I turn off the 12”er and leave the 8”er on. Tight even bass. My 8er is in the back of my room and my 12 is in the front by the towers. This system works.
I had to 12”subs in my system. It sounded like sh&@&&. A trained audio ear told me to try the big sub and a small sub route.
How about mounting a sub on the wall, let's say 20 cm high. I plan to make a 10mm steel mount for it so the rigity or such are not the issue. But will the sub with mottom speaker/bottom port play wrong when lifted 20cm off the floor?
We have never personally done this. The hardest part would be making sure there will be no added sound from the vibrations since usually any of those are absorbed by the feet and the floor.
What took you guys so long? Good to see some presense.
Is there a diy solution for making existing speakers wiressless with no compromise. For Ht and serious music listing
Theres a bluetooth dongle for that
Can you use those transmitters for any speaker or just subs?
They are specifically designed to be used with subs.
Can I run two of the 8’s with a TA 100 and a A 100 to achieve Bass management for my turntable and Elac Bookshelves
Yes. You can connect one or two of these between your sources and speakers no problem. They have "high level" inputs, so worst case you can just connect them by splitting the speaker cables. But you can most likely (and it's the better way) connect the sub where you normally feed your A100. i.e. from source output, to sub and then to the A100.
@@eubikedude I just went with the SE 12 and the TA-100 but for some reason certain songs will cause it to make a popping sound. I can’t figure out why
there is no replacement for displacement..
What is the delay in using those transmitters compared to wired sub?
They are super low latency so you won't notice any delay.
Moving mass will be taken care of higher magnetic strength (BL) in bigger subs. Please correct me .... If it's wrong ...
It will, but also needs more amp power = more cost generally. It also gets harder to control tightly so you start needing DSP or other feedback system (like Rythmik audio use). Which also adds to the cost. This is a $300 sub. :)
So im little late here. But how will it work in to additional open wall on one side like 13 feet open side
Eventually there will be a back wall or something that the sound hits unless the back of your room is a literal black hole. If you have a troubling space, we recommend looking up the Subwoofer Crawl and follow that strategy for finding the best locations for sub placement for optimal performance in your listening position.
Hmmm that looks just like the REL T7x subwoofer, it even has a high frequency input, calls D vs Class A/B amp, but essentially the same, right down to the specs... Nice, and only $329 vs $1100.
@Emotiva Audio
Lonnie, Why not have the driver in the front and the passive in the bottom? Thanks. Oh, also, is there any benefit or detraction by raising these off of the floor? And, pros and cons of a carpeted floor.
I bought one of these Emotiva 8" subs. I like it. I have paired it with my old 50 watt, 8" sub. I hope to tune the whole 5.1 + 1 system this weekend. So far I enjoy the extra bass with two subs. The couch shakes now! @Emotiva Audio, please answer my questions above.
Now that I have had my Emotiva 8" sub and have tried it in a couple of places it really helps the bottom end. In an attempt to get even tighter punch I've laid it on it's side with the driver toward the room. Ummm - better so far. More testing to do while it is on it's side. Seems downward driver is not the way to go, at least on a fully carpeted floor.
Well, I am no longer impressed with this sub. It's now just; "okay, I have a supposedly 200 watt sub". I would really like to test the plate amp to find out if it can make the 200 watts. I've been experimenting with placement in the room and the crossover settings in my receiver, but I just don't think I'm getting what Lonnie (in this video) says I can. I have been thinking about moving the driver from the bottom to the front and putting the passive radiator in the bottom. I may call Emotiva before doing this to find out if they have a good reason not to. If nothing helps, I'm gonna save up for a SVS PB1000 sub and maybe use this one as the second sub.
Update: Thanks to a phone call to Emotiva I have been assured that this little sub can fill my needs. So, I put his suggestions to use. I also re-watched a couple of sub tuning videos. I tried the S8 sub in many places in the front of my room and moving it an inch at a time can make a difference. Once I found the best place for sound and appearance I adjusted the "distance" setting in my Denon AVR to align the timing to the main speakers. I found that I had to almost double the measured distance. I found out that one foot = one millisecond of bass frequency movement. Now I have BOOM in my room and a hard working impressive sub-woofer. I did not change the crossover or the gain, just the placement and the timing. Oh, I did place this sub on a pair of 2x4s on edge to give the down firing driver room to breath over my carpeted floor. Thanks again for the help and advice from tech support at Emotiva.
I’m not paying $150 for an audio transmitter... I’ll just make my own for 5 to 15 dollars from scrap parts. It would have to be $50 or less for me to even consider buying it.
Where should place the subwoofer? On the ground or on the desk/table
floor is best
I’m remodeling a small diner and have 1400 sq feet to cover on an L shaped dining room- have 4 ceiling speakers which cover area great but how can I cover it with bass? Where how should I hook up these subs?
You would have to have the subs in place to start and then do the famous subwoofer crawl to help find the nulls in the room to help you identify whats happening. Though, adding more subs would help cancel out these issues.
your neighbors below you in your condo will love you
Whats the cost of the wireless wifi transmitters for the subs??
It depends where you live, pricing is on the Emotiva web shop (emotiva.com) and you can select your country for shipping costs but without import duties/taxes.
the bass in my setup from the subwoofer is only good when I'm standing up or very far away. It's almost too subtle whenever I'm in my seating position. Any ideas why?
Your seating area is probably in a giant null. I recommend doing the "subwoofer crawl" to try and point out a different location for your subwoofers to see if that fixes the issue.
This is an interesting concept. Taking a small sub and augmenting your big main sub to correct room nulls. My question is this... I have a BIG dual opposed 18" Power Sound Audio subwoofer on the front wall of my theatre. It's an incredible sub, capable of quality output almost into the single digits but alas in my room, my main listening position appears to be in a nasty null, where I'm losing quite a bit of bass. Meanwhile, further back in the room, the bass is way too loud. By adding one or two of these smaller subs, could it couple with the big sub to eliminate the nulls? What would I be hearing in my main listening position? These little subs? Or the quality sound of my big, expensive sub?
I’d like to piggyback with this Q; adding a small sub such as this to a massive sub like this PSA (in an effort to eliminate nulls) wouldn’t room correction such as Dirac or Odyssey then weaken the stronger PSA while essentially seeing both subs as one?
@@CMA1967 I would likely run my room correction software, so it could tune the speakers accordingly, but then tune the subs separately using MiniDSP and REW. I would use one sub out on the processor and then run that into the MiniDSP and then time align and gain match the various subs before EQ'ing them all as a single entity.
I’m in the same boat. Got a great PSA sub (Tom knows how to build them!) and although it’s wonderful, one sub just can’t fill my entire room. I’d love to add at least one more smaller sub but not sure how well they’d play with one another…
How would I hook something like this to my active Emotiva 4's which I have hooked up by a splitter cable with 1/8 into my desktop computer?
You would need a DAC or preamp that has a subwoofer output.
Would have been great if we could have a closeup shot of the rear end.
Sounds Naughty
Man all I have is a tiny floor sub and like one working small speaker cause the other one died or something I need to get better stuff but hey. It beats TV speakers so I'm happy lol
Make sure you have the output set to mono then, or you will be missing some of the sounds! ;)
A single 8? Man I have 4 twelves on a 1500w amp and still want a lil more!
that guy gives me the military type vibe haha He just dosnt care... :P
He doesn't care what your room looks like 😎
Would this be able to work with my Samsung Q90R soundbar? I've always wanted 2 bass speakers as one just doesn't cut it
Merci je vais donc axheter 2 SVS PB 1000 Pro pour ma petire salle home cinéma de 12 mètres carrés 😃
Buy Dolby Atmos on your Xbox and you'll get even more sound for your sound system. This will be a good way to block out those annoying 10 hour day outdoor workers. Roofers or road workers.
I have a better idea just don’t have a seat in the dead zone. There you go!! Problem solved! Haha!! So I just purchased 2 definitive technology subs. Man these baby’s hit like nothing I ever heard before. I need the link to purchase your wireless transmitters. Thanks!!!
Sit next to a bass :D
The downside is you don't get the same extension as a bigger subwoofer and the deep power especially with louder bass notes with more easy and less distortion.
Which is fine if your room is not too big for it. Or if you put in more of them. Something like these (or the smaller Rythmik Audio ones) for "bass redirection" for the speakers and then a couple of big ones for LFE would probably be ideal.
Lol, I need less bass out of my system. Have a 12” paradigm ported sub and have the level on it turned down to 20%. Have a 13’ by 17’ room, it’s a mid sized room I guess. The bass is so powerful it is crazy. I wonder if I would be better off with a non ported subwoofer. Mainly watch movies
rew,umiq 1,minidsp,proper sub placement and seet position.google it and learn about room modes.
Im looking for a subwoofer that has a nice bass for music i dont want to listen too loud because of i live in an appartment. Is this subwoofer good for music?
The smaller 8" sub is very fast and not overpowering. I think it would be a perfect sub for music.
how is this sub superior to the other S8 ported sub from emotiva?
This has more output than the BasX S8 Subwoofer. It also has two 8" drivers as well as Speaker level left and right inputs both of which the BasX S8 didn't have.
@@EmotivaAudioCorp I'm not gonna lie I have been sitting on the decision to buy this sub for about 2 weeks since my budget is $300 for a sub but I really can't get past the -3db @ 33Hz spec. If this was -3db at even 25Hz I would have placed an order for one already.
@@yamafanboy Your room gain might get you lower with that sub. But you need to measure with REW.
Also don't just buy one. Get two minimum.
@@droidzhunterz6861 I ended up ordering a PB-1000 from SVS.
@@EmotivaAudioCorp Two drivers? I thought it was one driver and one passive radiator?
Interesting
Dayton audio puts to powerful of an amp that fries its drivers. I buy subs cheap. Usually not the amp that fails.
1st Harmonic Null = 50%