The Gun I Hate
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- The last gun I ever thought I'd be carrying.
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On Choice of a Defensive Firearm: Choose the firearm that meets YOUR defensive needs and is legal for your state or local jurisdiction. Just because I like revolvers for concealed carry doesn’t mean you have to too. Become your own best trainer.
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According to the Bible - we are to live at peace with all men as much as it is possible.
Personal defense of one’s self and of others is a last resort when there is no other option.
Self Defense Continuum - Avoid, Escape, De-escalate if possible, and if all else fails - RESIST
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Boa noite aqui do Brasil meu amigo.. gostei do apelido desse Taurus, Tuco o Feio , aqui no Brasil esse filme tem o nome, três Homens em Conflito, o Bom, o mau e o feio, está entre os cinco filmes que mais amo e sempre assisto. Aliás, os westerns são os melhores filmes para contar histórias sobre, moral,ganancia e sobrevivencia. Filmes antigos que são muito atuais. Eu sempre brinco, são filmes onte, homem é homem, mulher é mulher, cavalo é cavalo e arma é revólver, a velha e insuperável escola.. diferente das coisas que querem ensinar aos nossos filhos e netos hoje em dia. Deus abençoe sempre o Sr e seu trabalho, e sua família. Não enjôo de ver seus vídeos. Deus abençoe as Américas 🇧🇷🤝🇺🇲.
Obrigado meu amigo! Because your post was so insightful, I translated it for others to read.
Good evening here from Brazil my friend.. I liked the nickname of this Taurus, Tuco o Ugo, here in Brazil this movie has the name, three Men in Conflict, the Good, the Bad and the Ugly, it is among the five movies that I love the most and always watch. In fact, westerns are the best movies to tell stories about morals, greed and survival. Old movies that are very current. I always joke, it's movies yesterday, man is man, woman is woman, horse is horse and gun is revolver, the old and unsurpassed school. different from the things they want to teach our children and grandchildren today. God always bless you and your work, and your family. I don't get sick of watching your videos. God bless the Americas 🇧🇷🤝🇺🇲.
Great post!
en ingles es solamente el bueno, el malo y el feo. es una pelicula clasica. es una de los "spaghetti westerns", o peliculas del oeste espageti, porque el birector era de italia. muchas de esas peliculas fueron grabados en el sur de espana porque el scenario es muy similar al suroeste de los eeuu.
@@fbweaver63 ¡Este es verdad, mi amigo!
I look at it this way... If you defend yourself with a gun you hate, you won't be too upset when it ends up in an evidence locker for a few years.
Thanks for the video, Greg. Stay warm!
CarolinaRimfire...back when I was a L.E.O. I carried my full size issued sidearm concealed off duty because I knew if I ever had to use it, they'd simply issue me one just like it and it would be their pistol, not mine, that ended up in an evidence locker for who knows how long.
@@jeffanon1772 Both of these comments are so sound that they're making me rethink some things 🤔
I have a M&P 40 I paid $125 as an LEO trade in I carry, I couldn't care less what happens to it.
@@jeffanon1772 That's a great idea! Hope you didn't hate your duty sidearm for all those years, though! 😂
@bower31 that's a great deal
My favorite scene ever in any western was when they gave Tuco a revolver and he took a few more and rebuilt one to his liking..I am still in awe and laughing about it to this day..😂😂
Eli Wallach actually improvised that scene. What a great actor.
Revolvers…
Tuco is my favorite wild west character he's such a true bad ass
In my top 5 too
I agree 100% about your carry I have the same gun for my ccw due to my wifes battle with cancer I had to sell my very large gun collection to help her with med bills and one of the few guns I kept was a taurus 856 because it holds 6 rounds and it does everything you could ask of a gun . I dont think taurus builds a bad gun anymore there reputation for that is well deserved a while back but not anymore . I so enjoy your vids please keep doing them thanks
Thank you for watching!
All manufactures put out defective products and have recalls. But it is how they deal with the problem is what makes the difference, almost every thing I have read Taurus has good customer care. I have had a .44 tracker for over 20 years still a great gun.
Another award winning video! Keep them coming. I really enjoy revolver videos. Not to many of them anymore.
Award winning? Here 🥇
I've actually been seeing more and more of them; ironically from many of the guys who are subject matter experts in military and law enforcement training.
😁@@guaporeturns9472
@@LionquestFitness 😂
That’s a good light gun /ammo combo. You know how to shoot it & it’s not a joke.
2:31 "If i looked so slow today"
Sir, you reloaded a snub nose revolver from pocket carry faster than most cops can reload a magazine into thier Glock from a duty belt.....
I appreciate that.
More and more people are going back to Revolvers for self and home defense because you usually don't have to 2nd guess whether or not its going to go bang every time , even though I still do carry semi autos depending on threat levels. Why people don't realize why Militaries' switch to semi autos unlike Police who wanted high capacity, Militaries' recognize that Revolvers are not made for made for rapid sustained fire for long periods of time. But in most cases Revolver's will do the job in most cases. Also according to FBI statics the 357 magnum still has the best record for 1 shot stops.
Good points.
The Hornady 110gr 38Spl+P is pretty good ammo. They knew what they were doing when they made it for concealed carry. It's pleasant to shoot out of the ultralight snubs. I've never seen a test where it failed to expand. And it seems to hit point of aim from every gun I've seen shoot it. Finally, the price is not outrageous. That sixth shot is 20% more firepower. So it could make the difference.
Higher price aside, Hickok45 has really taken to the Kimber K6xs (6 shot .38 +p). I haven't shot one, but Hickok has all but replaced his 25 year old 642 Airweight with the Kimber. MSRP 679.00
Thanks Greg. I switch up my carry guns too. It just depends on what you want or need at the time.
The Glock 19 has certainly got more carry lately. The good thing is, like my Model 64 or my three inch GP100, it is a pick up and go gun, that for me, at this point in time of my shooting life, requires little practice or training with. There are definite advantages in constant work with snub revolvers.
@@LionquestFitness the great think about a Glock is that it's just like a revolver in that it's "draw, aim and fire" - no bothersome extra safeties = so you can focus on threat assessment and shot placement. What I really like about your vids is that you focus on the most important aspects of defensive shooting. Thanks again!
I think most of us probably have a favorite weapon to carry, which may not seem logical when we do an unbiased comparison with our other options.
In my own case, I most often carry a 5-shot S&W revolver & speed strip, while leaving a larger capacity micro-compact semi-auto in the safe. Seems to make no sense at all!
However as you've mentioned before, it simply comes down one simple truth, the best gun will always be the one we're going to carry.👍
I agree, these revolvers are hard to detach from my carry collection. My S & W 442 Performance Center with the Crimson Trace grips are my favorite revolver. My lovely daughters train with revolvers. On the other extreme, I carry a Staccato CS with a Holosun 508T, flat trigger and DLC bull barrel. Thanks for sharing!
Good shootin’ Gregg. I’ve never owned a Taurus likely b/c our department RO would not approve anything but Colt or S&W for off-duty carry, but that was a long time ago. My favorite is a former service revolver, Model 10 snub SB w/a Tyler TGrip. I shot a 96% w/it at last year’s LEOSA qualification, same score as my M&P Compact 9MM. One flyer always spoils my chances for a perfect score.
I rotate between my 856 and my trusty Taurus 85.
Great video Greg 😊
I have a black 856, and I sometimes carry it during winter months. It's been a good gun for me. It does have some weight to it so that helps with accuracy but makes it not great as a carry gun for me. My trusty 85 is still my favorite. Loaded with Buffalo Bore Standard pressure 158 gr SWC. One last thing, You've made me a Taurus fan. I've bought several that you have shown on the channel, and besides a little adjustment here and there, they have all been good buys.
Thanks Tron. I've seen more quality control issues with Taurus post Covid than pre Covid, but the I've seen the same thing in other manufacturers as well. Some with much higher priced guns.
Dear Sir, would you mind too terribly elaborating on the tweaks you've found that you needed to make on your latest Taurus acquisitions?
Howdy Greg; I'm Dave blunt and my wife is Nancy , we both carry Taurus wheel guns on special occassions. When hunting , hers is a 66 in 4" and I carry 66 in 6" when carrying concealed in summer and in crowds we carry two proto types that I guess Taurus never put in prodution. Mine is a DA mod 606 -2" snubby in 357 mag produced in 6/87 and the wifes is the same but hers is ported and was built in 6/97. when we first tried to find out about our babies we had to call them when they were still in miami, FL and they told us to enter the serial #, we did and we got our info. Also a a side note they asked hoy they performed and we told them that after 1500 - 2000 rds still working just fine. When wear our coats or jackets we ccw Taurus mod G3c oh and we like TOCO !!!! HAHAHAHA keep your powder dry
Cool story! The 606 is something of a unicorn gun.
Thanks for another great video, Greg...keep em coming 👍👍.
As for Taurus revolvers, their quality control may have improved, but I'll stick to carrying S&W's.... especially since it's so much fun looking for & finding good used ones.
You can't beat a classic old Smith, but then when you find one in good shape and running flawlessly, you choke on subjecting it to the wear and tear of ordinary carry.
Another great video. And in freezing temps. Thank you sir.
Good afternoon Big Al!
Excellent shooting Greg. When I switch from pocket carry to IWB carry, the 856UL is my go to IWB when carrying a revolver. I was never a Taurus fan, but back when they changed management, I purchased the PT111G2 after hearing all the positive reviews, and the track record I have had with that firearm changed my view of Taurus and opened the door to numerous Taurus firearms since. I have full confidence in the 856 as a daily carry firearm.
I am a fan of the G2C. Not so much the G3C. It was OK, but I liked the earlier design. I've had Taurus firearms all the way from great to mediocre to duds, but the thing is, they are inexpensive and easy to sell if you don't like something about them. I get more upset when a more expensive gun has less than stellar quality control.
I can't give up on my model 10's. Had a Taurus but within 15 rounds it was locking up, so I sent it back to the factory, and to their credit they fixed it and even did a free trigger job on it. But I just can't trust it. Haven't bought one in the intervening 10 years.
You can't beat an older Model 10 or Model 64. The Joe Friday Special would work better for me with round butt grips. It is such a beautiful gun though, I'd be hard pressed to subject it to the wear and tear of daily carry.
@@LionquestFitness Agree totally. I love my 3 inch Model 66 and I'm having a gunsmith reblue and go over (including trigger job) a round butt Model 10 in 3 inch barrel. It was a police trade in and not easy finding 3 inch barrels which IMHO is the sweet spot for conceled carry. I usually carry a Glock 26 with Glock 19 magazine but I reach for my Model 10's and the 66 more and more for quick trips to the store, etc.
Great stuff, Greg!
Thanks Mark!
Always look forward to Sunday and your videos 😊
Thanks James!
Great video!
I’m intrigued that you title it as “the gun I hate” when you shoot so well with it.
I’ve been carrying my 856 almost exclusively after getting it in April of last year and breaking it in at the range. For me, it’s the perfect combination of size and shoot ability for an effective personal defense tool. Mine has given no problems either. It’s definitely a cherry.
Well, it's kind of like pushing aside the gun I didn't want to like in favor of others more attractive. Bottom line though, if it works, it works.
i had trouble with my taurus screw on the judge and that very model right there. lock tight is your friend so sure, as you mentioned!
Greg,
I purchased a 856 Executive grade 38 w/3 in barrel 6 shot and I really am enjoying it and my simply rugged holster with straps for IWB
I had a problem with the sideplate screw coming loose on a new Taurus 82 I owned. I had to replace it, since the small spring that came with it broke. I got rid of the revolver altogether last year.
As for the 856, my first one had to be replaced because the front sight was misaligned and couldn't shoot straight. The only time I had to send a firearm back to the factory, but at least the customer service was good. I still have the replacement, and everything checks out, but I admittedly haven't shot it yet. I went back to carrying my S&W 642, and haven't gotten around to shooting my replacement 856.
I intend to rectify that as soon as this freezing cold goes away. My experience with the 856 is that it likes the Steinel 125gr +P load I like to carry. S&B's 110gr load, not so much.
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I own a Taurus 85. I put blue loc-tite on all my slide plate screws. I've heard a lot of bad design and QC issues with the 856, so I haven't upgraded. Several members on TaurusArmed forum even cautioned me again selling my M85 for the 6 shot 856.
I have my M85 on me as I type this. I use it as a BUG gun in my pocket while I have a 45acp semiauto on my hip.
The side plate on my Taurus 605 had the screw coming loose, so I added some loc-tite. However, my 856 doesn't have that issue.
My dad had an 85UL that I've inherited, and thanks for the point about the loctite (and I read enough about the 856 to feel the same way)
The 85's been a surprisingly nice little gun to shoot and carry, and I rather like it over the S&W airweights its comparable to (they nailed the size and thickness of the rubber grip)
I generally don't care for Taurus, but I didn't expect to have some sentimental value ever be put into one
@@d2nasty696 I add loctite on all screws on S&W, Taurus, etc. I don't see it as a manufacturing issue. Any and all screws will back out without loctite. I'd put it on the 856 screws too just to be safe.
With the Modern Smith revolvers the cylinder latch screw tends to fall out. Also, blue Loctite not red. @@finalcountdown7658
Greg, always appreciate your personal insights into carry with snubbies. The 6 rounds is my motivator too for carrying the Colt DS also with Hornady Crtical Defense 110 gr as well. Usually carry standard .38 Spl for the Colt and +P for other snubbies. Makes me consider getting an 856 from Taurus as rated for +P and 6 rounds. Thanks, sir
Thanks for stopping by.
Also, that detective special is a collectors item. I think an 856 would be a good investment for carry. It can get beat up and abused, and you won't think twice about it.
I had a similar experience. I took one of my SAA's I use for blanks to the range and found it to be a better shooter than my carry piece. LOL!
Love the grips on your Taurus.
Thanks Santee!
What is your daily carry piece Santee?
@@mikeseier4449 A Charter Arms .38
If I go out to the desert then I go .45.
@@ArizonaGhostridersThank you,.. Would that be.45 Colt or .45 Acp?
Love All My Taurus & Rossi Guns 38spl, 44spl/mag &45lc/410/454 casull! 1.Taurus 856 Stainless 38spl Revolver,2. Taurus 8 3/8inch 44spl/mag Revolver, 3.Taurus Judge Public Defender Poly 45lc/410, 4.Taurus G3C 9mm, 5.Rossi 92 45lc/454 casull 16inch stainless Leveraction Carbine & A 6.Rossi Rio Grande 45-70govt 20inch Leveraction Rifle! 🤠 I ❤'em All!
Now that is an endorsement!
Tuco because it's unloved. That is the best name for something unloved haha. Great video!
While Taurus is hit and miss when they do it right they do a good job, having a love for the older revolvers like yourself I understand the frustration with the model 10. Personally I haven't come across this issue as yet.
Thanks Greg.
Love mine. 2" spur-less hammer, wood Pachmaye grips. Added a spring kit but had light strikes so went back to the stock hammer spring. Hits to the right about a inch at 15 yards with Critical Defense 110gr but centered.
Nice! I like Taurus okay, but I do prefer Smith and Wesson. I had a 617 Taurus 7 shot 357 snub that I loved but could never find holster or grips I liked. Lately I’ve been carrying a couple revolvers. Usually a j frame IWB appendix and something at 4 o’clock, either another j frame IWB or a 3” model 65 357mag, or mod 64 38spl with 2” barrel. As for my j frames it’s either old model 60 38spl, mod 649 357, or my favorite mod 638 38spl. I prefer 2 j frames during the week but on weekends I’ll put model 64 on my hip. Was carrying beretta storm compact 9mm but going to make this a year of revolvers for the most part. Still like my 9mm and semi auto pew pews but something I love about revolvers, & even enjoy shooting them more. Thanks for all the great content.
Thinking about adding Ruger LCRx 357 to the mix sometime this year.
And maybe 2.5” colt python or model 19 carry comp with 2.5” barrel.
As Clint Smith said - Wheels and Steel!
Take both of those Taurus' and trade them in on something better. "They put a lot of time and effort into the design of these guns"...and then they totally screwed the pooch on execution. Should have payed less for geniuses to reinvent a wheel(in this case a revolver) and spent more on materials and QC.
Why? They both have been with me for years, have shot hundreds and hundreds of rounds, have a track record of reliability, are utilitarian, and perform better than most of the more expensive revolvers I own.
best value in 38 special snub and it's not close
It’s ok to love the new compared to the classic. Someday the new will be old but the classic will always be classic. 😁🫡🇺🇸👍
This is true,
that was some great shooting from such a hated little gun. especially as cold as it's been it was 13 degrees at my house this morning but at least the wind has died down and we'll make it to 60 this week, although it will be rainy. i have said before that i wish i had bought the 856 instead of the 85. i had had an 85 before that i wish i had not let go and knew the it was rated for plus p, and the 856 was new at the time and its literature in its box at the greensboro gun show said nothing about plus p. i don't carry it unless as a back up to my 605. i usually back up the 605 with a semi-auto pistol of some type depending on the weather and the destination. that hornady critical defense must be good. the smallest 6 shot revolver i own is a speed 6, which is in the safe. thank you for all your videos and advice.
Thank you!
The 3" S&W model 13 .357, my favorite revolver for winter carry.
👍👍thanks Greg
I like the 856 mine is the black steel version changed the front sight to a amerglo orange night sight and taurus wood allways something about wood and steel guns
Thanks Greg , could you make a video of speed loader holster and speed strips , thank you
I will.
I've never owned a Taurus wheel gun.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the 856.🇺🇲🌲🔪🔥
That's one reason I no longer carry my S&W 642. It only has 5 rounds. Glad you got over your hate of the 6 round snub. Joe
Got a couple Taurus model 65's one made in the 70's and a newer production one, both have been just as accurate and reliable as any Smith or Ruger wheel gun I own, if I carry a revolver though its usually a model 15-3 Combat masterpiece.
Combat Masterpiece? 15-3? One of the finest Smith made.
Yes, a 4 inch model 15-3 Combat Masterpiece, in a custom holster from craft along with a couple speed loaders, I use buffalo bore's version of the FBI load.
Can't go wrong with that rig.@@jasonashley4579
I love my 605, and it's more accurate than my j frames too. I'm a Taurus fan the same as I'm a S&W fan. Always enjoy watching 👍👍
Thanks Jim.
I've adopted an 85UL from my dad, and it was rather trippy to see a Taurus with the same painted front sight that I put on his (much less *two* 😅)
I was fond of Smith and Wesson as a brand and the looks, but I've been rather surprised with the Taurus compared to airweight Smiths (the thickness and size of the rubber grip is perfect, the trigger doesn't pinch my finger like Smiths do, and it's not *too* light but rides in a sweet spot well below the heft of a steel framed Smith).
Wouldn't think I'd have sentimental value with a Taurus, much less think one (at least the 85) would be such a solid piece.
I still like the 85 and believe there was some design strength lost by trying to keep the 856 the same weight as the 85.
I just bought a matte black steel 856. From the limited amount of shooting I have done with it so far, it seems to be a good little revolver.
Going to the store wanting a snub, I looked at everything they had and nothing else was brand new, six shots, +p rated with rubber grip covering backstrap. And thankfully I also got a good qc one. I did the research and bought the replacement screws and spring ahead of time. But haven't had the screws come loose yet. I think I got mine before Gregs first video on the 856. It's been a no complaints pocket carry option.
I won't say it's good or bad. If you get one, prepare for the unexpected.
Good point of view and preparation.
Over the years, I've had great luck with Taurus. I have a PT 99 AF and a 4" 669 .357 that I wouldn't part with. Had a 605, but it came apart on the range--wouldn't hold up to a steady diet of full power 125 grain ammo. (Repaired under the lifetime warranty, but sold it later). I love my 856--frequently pocket carry it, with some fancy, hot Buffalo Bore 80 grain coppers.
Thanks for your input.
@Lionquest Fitness I am trying to hit the pin out from the Right side to the left side of the Taurus Grips...I believe it is like a 3/32nd Pin does that sound right? Any advise on hitting that out so I can put my new PremiumGunGrips on it?
Use a punch the size of the roll pin and a hammer. Take the cylinder out first. Be careful not to lose the spring under the cylinder screw. You want to rest the frame on two pieces of wood.
I’d really like to get my hands on the new Kimber snubby six round 38spl. K6xs?
looks like you have some good Groups there Greg.
Thanks!
I like the looks and the quality of the older firearms but some of the newer ones really do perform better and have better features.
I just got a 856 Ultra Lite Black. I haven't shot it, but I like it. I put a Houge Grip on it. Taurus has come a long way with their quality control.
They've come a long way, but haven't gotten there yet with some models. I've heard of engineering and design issues with the 856. I hope you got a good one
@@finalcountdown7658 Yeah. It was brand new.
There have been reported, and I've had one, a small percentage of 856 revolvers with timing and cylinder issues. It varies in how it affects the gun's performance from critical fail to minor nuisance. I tend to believe in the design change from the 85 to the 856 there were some structural weaknesses by trying to keep the gun the same weight.
Yeah.@@LionquestFitness
Gregg I to am experimenting with carrying Pistol in pocket carry. I bought a lcp max for this purpose but I found it to be unreliable. I would rather have 6 for sure.
If you want light and can afford it, I'd go with the Kimber air weight. A lot of people swear by the Ruger LCR. The S&W 642 is another option. In the more budget friendly range you have Charter and Taurus. If you start with budget it lets you know if that style of gun is for you and you can always upgrade.
Yep, the Taurus 6 shot to me looks closer in size to a j frame than a k frame. Have you ever compared them table top? Seems like I remember a video like that from you.
Yep, I compared that particular 856 to the Model 10 snub in the video. It hits that middle ground between the J Frame and a K frame.
That model 10 is so pretty!
Greg, have you given any thought to doing a video(s?) on the .32 H&R magnum of the .327 Federal? I see that Taurus has a relatively inexpensive 3" model out now....the Toro.
During one of the ammo crunches several years ago I decided to stick to guns that shot the most available ammo - .357, .38, 9mm, .45 ACP, .22 and .223. To narrow things down I sold my one gun in .40 and quit buying .556. I also decided against buying guns in .32, .44 special and .45 long colt due to ammo availability. Although, if I ever run into a friend who has one, I'll see if I can borrow it for a video.
@LionquestFitness Understood. As a reloader going back to even my pre-cop days (1970s), I have always been on the hunt for brass and primers. Casting my own, bullets have never been an issue. During the past shortages, I traded things I had a stockpile of for things of my immediate needs. Three of my favorite old Smiths: a pre-24, 4" M1950 .44 Special, a M14 6" that craves my reproduction 200 grain Super Police .38 Special load and a 5" M1905 4th change .32-20. Three that I think the lawman of old felt good about having at their side. My oldest daughter reminds me constantly that I live in the past. So true. But, I get your point.
I've had good luck with my Taurus products, though in honesty, I never have fired huge amount of ammo. Not even when I was shooting at my most frequent intervals. I try to keep my psychomotor skills current by practicing with pellet and airsoft guns. I have an 856 Ultralight. Not at all unpleasant to shoot with +P. The Hornady 110 grain +P is my carry round.
I've been thinking hard about getting an ultralight 856. I commend you on how you practice. Good plan of action.
I wouldn't mind purchasing a Taurus Just for the inexpensive practicality of the revolver. But man I can't stand the feel of the finish that they put on those guns it feels like I'm running my nails down a chalkboard it's so icky.
Where did you get that sweet leather holster with the thumb break?
Murph's Holsters in China Grove NC. I had the strap added.
Is there a ball detent or something that is used for the forward lock up?
It is on top of the crane.
Beware of the person who only owns one handgun and practices.
That is for sure.
Greg,
Between the Taurus 605, 856, or the discontinued model 85, which one is the best of the three?
Tough question. I've had two 856's and I shot well with both. The 85 is a sturdier gun and conceals better. But, I'd go with the 605 because of it weighing a couple of ounces more, being able to shoot .357, and because it will hold up better over the long haul for steady use of .38 and .38 Plus P.
Thank you Greg!
Tuco: “See you soon, idiots.” Clint: “It’s for you.” 🤣🤣🤣 I’ve been considering an 856 for a few years, but its spotty reputation scares me.
That's true; especially post Covid.
my biggest issue with the newer stock rubber grip on taurus small frame revolvers is the idiotic decision to pin it in place! idea is to easily remove the grips for parts inspecting, cleaning, and checking tightness of frame screws! who the hell pins grips in place?!?
I'm sure it was a cost cutting measure and a pain in the rectum to remove.
You tube will not let me tell you what I think about this firearm. This post will be deleted soon.
Haaaa! That kind of post is the only one that sticks, had to test it again. I guess my opinions are dangerous or something.
I can guess what you think and it rhymes with HIT!😄 My answer though, is that if an individual gun has a track record of use and performance, and is utilitarian, it's a good gun.
Makes sense!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
I hate the stock grips on the Taurus, I changed them out almost as soon as I got it.
They're a bit tacky for pocket carry, and I prefer wood, but to my chagrin I find I shoot much better with those grips.
Pray for me tonight, have back test starting in the morning. Thanks
I will.
Those grips look good on your 605
That one is nicknamed Blondie after the Man with no Name.
Critical Defense ammo 👍. Nice shooting. Looks like ammo is going to be in short supply again. That will mean shorter more focused practice sessions for me.
"Fast is fine but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry." Wyatt Earp
Good quote.
Will those grips fit on a 605?
Yes, but might have to do some fitting.
Greg, clearly your hatred of Tuco is justified. How dare he out perform a beautiful classic like a 1958 Model 10. 😂 It's the square butt. I have the same issue with them. Even though I have big mitts, square butt grips just don't feel quite right. But it is a beautiful gun, especially with the Tyler T grips on it. Some of the old school Pachmyers might help but they are kinda ugly/utilitarian.
LOL - I'll just keep Joe Friday like he is. Eventually I'll come across a round butt Model 10 snub, but like Joe, I'd be afraid of carrying it and subjecting it to wear and tear. He earned his place in my collection by just being who he is.
What holster are you using with that 856?
Harry's Holsters. I'm trying them out.
@@LionquestFitness , Honsetly I’ve been using a lot of the Murph Holsters. The shop isn’t far from where I live and they are quality and ship them to me. Always have had luck with them. I’ll have to look at Harry’s Holsters. Thanks for all of the cool revolver stuff.
@@Graydog-sx6le I have three revolver holsters and one Glock 19 Holster from Murphs.
I ie mine with the Uncle Mike grips on it
I've owned too many Taurus handguns to ever trust my life to them when there are better made and more reliable options available. It's too bad because I like many of their designs. It's the QC that is lacking. Some owners have experienced no issues, so maybe I'm a magnet for the defective ones.
I've had a run of disappointments with Taurus in the past year and a half, so I understand where you are coming from. The two in the video and a couple of more I bought pre Covid work well and are keepers.
@@LionquestFitness Most of mine have been pre-COVID handguns, both new and used. Some were broken right out of box. Others had timing or light hammer strike issues. One had a warped side plate that I sent back. Taurus replaced it with a post COVID revolver that I have yet to do much shooting with. I don't know how I ended up becoming a Taurus collector. I guess I was swayed by the cost, features, and looks of their handguns (well, not the Curve or that translucent revolver).
@@Paladin1873 The Curve? The View? Marketing nightmares thought up by executives and gun designers short on sense and experience.
@@LionquestFitness Maybe they watched too much Whoopi and Joy.
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If you’re going to name this one Tuco then you have to wear it around your neck. 😅
The story goes Eli Wallach couldn’t reholster worth a shit so he wore it around his neck and carried it in his pants pocket.
I love the k frame size six shot pistols, looks like this one is a keeper too.
Ha, the originator of Mexican carry was an actor playing a Mexican bandito! 😄
I'd like to have that in a wood handgrips
I did, but to be honest, I shot better with the original grips.
Cherry on, dude!
Try a Ruger LCR....you won't regret it...👍👍
I'm still not sure why you "hate" the gun. Because it is better _for you_ than the S&W Model 10?
I've had a life long love affair with the Model 10 ever since I bought one for duty carry in 1982. The snubbie 10 was a unicorn for me. I thought that because of the greater weight, it would handle better than the 856. But for me it didn't. Also, I felt like Taurus lost some structural integrity with the design by trying to keep the weight the same as the 85. Too, for pocket carry I much preferred a slimmer five shot revolver, so Tuco became a spare and a loaner. Now, it gets carried.
@@LionquestFitness I have several snubbies, I am a retired police officer so they were also my off duty and backup guns. My favorite is also a K frame S&W...a model 19 with 2.5" barrel.
I also have S&W Model 40, 640 and 642 revolvers and a Colt Detective Special.
Very nice collection of some classic snubs.@@garyK.45ACP
@@LionquestFitness I never them of them as that when I bought them.
No, but a lot of us took them for granted, thinking guns like that would always be around.@@garyK.45ACP
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its a meme but its cool a paradox
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IMHO NO WORRIES LIKE THE OTHER GUY SAID PLUS YUP IT MIGHT BE IN EVIDENCE LOCKER FOR FOUR YEARS ???? LMFBO
"Mmm hmmm, ol wheel gun, AARP, diabeetus, 3rd wife mmm hmmm. If ya need more than 6 call a SWAT team mmm hmmm. Bill Ruger kepp em' honest mmmm hmmmm, these youngings with their plastic guns... that's for Europeans mmm hmmmm, limit 1 round every 2 seconds sonny boy, back in my day mmm hmmm"
Always impressed when some soy boy puts down people with more experience and wisdom than themselves.😂
I thought I deleted that guy. Thanks for the response.
@@LionquestFitness There was no need for him to be rude to you Greg.🤠👊
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