Peugeot 206 vs Suzuki Swift FINAL BATTLE
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2023
- Two cheap cars - one modified with expensive parts and one modified with trash - today we send them to battle to see which one is the fastest.
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This was an amazing series boys! really loved it!
LOVED watching this!!
Please do more of these challenge type videos
its 4am Sunday morning - wheres the kebab?
Given me inspiration for my swift. Loved the series, want to see more
Would of been nice to see a brake upgrade in this series! but it was worth the watch.
A full race-alignment on the Swift would have been sticking to the "Cash vs. Trash" theme as the cash outlay for extra adjustability is exactly why you would spend more.
Completely agree, would have been significantly different.
and what about better brake fluid and better pads?
Agreed. Setting them up the same hampered the swift. Depends what the experiment was... If it was purely cash Vs trash, then telling the guys to set the swift as best as possible for the track, would have been truest (while getting Marty to do a string and chalk alignment), but if it was about whether money buys bolt on performance then it was fairest the way it was done.
Suzuki fan & lovers crying hahaha
What would you have adjusted?
I feel like some brake upgrades for both cars could have been a great addition even if just some higher performance pads and fluid. Marty clearly needed them especially.
something you didn't mention in the cost breakdown, where I think a large portion of the swift budget went to, is safety.
the cage, the seats, the race gear etc. if you were to roll it on one of those corners you're walking away in much better mood than you would after a few flips in the peugeot.
enjoyed the series guys! keep up the good work
THIS ❤
If the peugeot kills you in the process its a win-win
@@tadassmolskas3014 That's a real Peug-bro move
Pug had 4 stars for safety 😅
@@tadassmolskas3014 the best outcome you can expect from a french car
Was always rooting for the 206, had one as a first car, so it's always got a place in my heart.
I had 307, 407 and a 508…I love the french weirdness😂❤
I was hoping they would continue upgrading the Peugeobro
Me too. I was quite happy how it all turned out
People sleep on the french hatches dude!! They've made some of the BEST and they still don't get the recognition they deserve. I've had a 106gti, 172 clio cup, 220 clio trophy and I'm now in a Megane RS Trophy. For driving, you can't fault them.
@@VersionOneUK the Megane rs line got the fwd nurburgring record everytime it came out with a new model
This video shows that weight reduction can really make a difference since both car were suspension tuned to be almost alike. Also I think that Moog should’ve done a proper suspension adjustment and not trying to match Marty because that’s the whole purpose of buying a higher end suspension. But it helped show that weight is a factor worth considering.
Its not just more adjustment, it's the compliancy of bound/rebound. He was running low/mid set anyway which gave limited adjustment advancement to ebay specials. Cars without alot of power, weight and balance is what makes the difference.
Swift didn't look as stable.
the swift on paper was the better car more expensive = more better even if the settings are the same in one department . remember its not the same car its a new car vs an old one
He did do a proper suspension adjustment. Just because they made both cars the "same" doesnt mean its any worse, it just means the handling manners are similar.
beyond the basic principles of a track alignment its all down to tweaking to driver preferences and track conditions, i dont think theyre going to hire an alignment guy to come to the track for this video🤣
Its not like the swift has more to be adjusted outside of damping, both cars only have coilovers, the swifts are just better. they havent done anything extra to adjust with the swift suspension meaningfully yet.
@@GeneralNOH I didn’t say they did a bad adjustment. What I’m saying is to do an adjustment proper to the car in question without trying to match the other car. Use the suspension to its full potential and not handicap it to “be fair”. To begin with both cars are different regarding weight, probably also weight distribution and suspension geometry. If you buy a more expensive suspension it’s because you want the ability to fine tune it to the car so it behaves closer to how you want. This “match tuning” basically negates the purpose of buying that suspension and for us to know if a more expensive suspension is actually worth buying, which is supposed to be the purpose of this series. There’s already enough handicaps given for the competition to be fair, both cars have the same tires and Moogs car has extra weight, there’s no need for more balancing.
Great little series, but I'm honestly surprised that proper high temp brake fluid and track pads were not used. That would have not only improved performance and lap times, but is also a huge safety aspect that should not be ignored.
Fr, active safety (tires, brakes, suspensión) is better than passive safety (bucket seat, roll cage)
Moog: “Not sure if I need the whole race suit thing!”
Had me laughing 😂😂
I think stripping out the interior of Marty's car played a big part in the results.
It depends. The 206 may have some electrical gremlins and suspension issues but one thing that is often underastimated on them is the TU5JP4 1.6 16v engine.
That engine is not only very durable (way more than the 8v variant for sure) but it has some really good power (110hp).
@@Rickanroc yeah you can easily get 150 out of that engine,over that it becomes quite a lot more expensive but it is really a great engine to start with.
The 206 is just better
@@Rickanroc my RZR makes 110 hp and weigha 1200 lbs lol
Peugeot's interior was too clean to be stripped tbh
Moog looks like a Minion in that helmet and flo-yellow suit.
Great series.
I think for budget buyers, the 180hp version of the 206 with some good tyres would give better performance for buck than tuning a swift up to match (or a Clio RS II/III).
Also the torsion beam probably isn't going to be a limitation when you consider the Megane Trophy R is still torsion beam.
People don't realise that FWD hot hatches have roughly 2/3 of the weight on the front and 1/3 on the rear, so the first thing you need to make it handle well mid corner is to keep two wheels on the ground in the front (2/3 of the weight taken care of) and one wheel on the ground in the back (remaining 1/3 of the weight taken care of, one wheel per one 1/3 of the weight). The grip between front and rear axle is balanced that way. You can laugh about tripodding but it's how you allow the rear to rotate around the front, thus making the car less understeery. Torsion beam rear suspension is perfect for doing that.
My friend decided to build a rally NC MX-5, he said that superior weight distribution, suspension and drivetrain will give him an advantage over those french hatches in 2000 class, over a year (and a lot of $$) later, he's right in the middle of the pack between those Peugeots and Renaults he "has an advantage" over 😅
@@arekb5951 FWD is superior to RWD in lower traction situations like Rally. And AWD doesn't even need to be mentioned.
@@shaggings I know the term "rally" is associated with gravel, but rallies in my country are mostly held on tarmac country/rural roads, so looking at a plain data sheet of the MX-5 and comparing it to a 206 or a Clio my friend's assumption should be correct, MX-5 should be the superior handling car. But somehow it's not.
I mean, you can't fault the MX-5 here, my friend is not the only person in a technically superior car getting stomped by a french hot hatch, there's a guy in my country with a Megane II RS that wins pretty much every time attack he enters (and he's competing against 400-500HP Evos, STIs, BMWs etc), so it's not just a rally specific thing. If french cars do something right it's definitely the handling.
I think the ESP is working against agrassive handling in the peugeot
The peugeot has a complete different torsion beam than what you’ve got in mind. The actual spring is a torsion beam..
A megane has the traditional torsion beam with coil springs.
I love the fact that this episode is out while Peugeot is currently leading the LeMans 24 Hours Race! IDK if they actually win of course, there's a couple of hours left, but I thought I would write it as a comment for posterity!
Ferrari ftw bro!
@@GTiR23 yup!
I love how often MCM uploads. Keep up the good work Marty and Moog!
This series cash vs trash has been great 👍🏼 love it
Very nice series, great idea. I'd really like to see it with different (affordable) cars but then see the same things done to both cars, i.e. not reducing weight in one, adding some in the other. And both should get proper tuneups after installing intake, exhaust, etc. Maybe also compare stock vs standalone ecu or something. Apart form that, keep it up!
Add the 302mm discs w/ calipers from the 307 peugeot, flat floor + rear bumper cut, cheap used bucket seat and you're golden. Add a turbo and you have an absolute track weapon. You could even stitch weld the chassis and if you're feeling fancy add foam to the pillars. None of these are too expensive (except the turbo).
Don't know how practical the swift is with the rollcage lol. Overall good vid
@Akiva Tunomvre ,
You forgot custom made aluminium or titanium subframes and rear axle carrier's.
@@davidgriggs3967 for the trash peugbro?
@Darren Sim Yeah even more weight if your handy with a tig welder
@@davidgriggs3967 Exactly!, and if you want to keep the spirit of cheapness i wonder if you could fit a Speeduino ECU. I would try to search for an LSD tho, that would make plently of difference (pun intended).
IDK how the regulations work on Australia if you can fit lexan windows, those would lower the weight and you could replace the rear hatch and with the rear side ones and the car would still be confortable to use.
Any more ideas for a cheap performance upgrade? I already projected all i would do lol
@Akiva Tunomvre Perspex or plexiglass would shed weight as long as the glass isn't curved .
That's about it for weight you can make a fwd launch just as good as a rwd with 2 things good tyre's and stiff springs in the rear to keep the weight from shifting off the front tyres on launch.
My car is 950kg and has 240fwhp on it's low boost setting and doesn't get any wheel spin and I don't have a lsd.
Stiffer the better.
Nice to see some Megane RS's on the track
We need more of these budget battles
please more!
that "knowing that for these 24 seconds we were free" was so lowkey, i loved it ^^
I think it would be interesting if you both drove both car to say which one is actually more pleasant as a track car ? The confortable one with the good equipment, or the rough brutal one ? I've never tried a proper bucket seat, helmet etc. but i tend to like gutted cars for the raw feel they give, which one is the most fun ?
Totally loved this series. Well done. Been there since the beginning on the driveway.
Peugbro!!! 🔥👏🏽
Loved this series, good reminder to spend wisely. Was hoping to see an episode for swaybars, end links, subframe braces etc.
JDM fwd street cars dramatically improve handling with these upgrades. Marty could have welded up a scrap bin special subframe brace 🗿 One for the next season perhap?!
That was totally expected, considering that Suzuki basically gets only few real performance update like wheels and tire, but the rest there were just cosmetic or safety updates, I know it got a better suspension, but in order to make a "fair" competition, they didn't use all the benefits of a better suspension, so basically the suspension didn't do anything, and also, the biggest factor was the weight reduction, basically Swift got fatter and Peugeot Bro got lighter and that, in the world of small engine, that's the biggest factor between winning or losing, I love this series, it really was a good form to know about, expending a lot of cash doesn't mean you will always get better result
agreed
The suspension episode was so strange because until then they were saying money wasn't a factor, but then they went out and still got a pretty shit suspension for the swift.
Neither car got driven at 10/10ths so your "That was totally expected" is bit premature don't you think.
Get someone with balls to drive the cars, not these two skirts and you'll find both cars where a waste of time and money.
@@maisydaisy9970 I thought the same, I feel they were too careful with those budget ricer car
@@maisydaisy9970 get Fred from Clunie Garage to set a time in them. Someone who can maximize any package.💥
I was so invested to this series and ho my god I was shook. what a result! excited to see the next series you do.
Please do something like this again
Off-road edition 👀
You're dropping this as we're up early morning watching LeMans lol wish I was there in person
So mean to the Peuge Bro, I loved my old 206 GTI 180, that lift off oversteer, fitting my triathlon bike in the back without taking off the wheels, was such a nice and fun little car
Enjoyed the series, thanks for putting it together.
Great little series guys. These type of head to head builds are fantastic and so enjoyable. Look forward to seeing the Swift get it's next batch of mods, brilliant little things :). That 206 did itself more than proud!, You need to give it a good send off :)
No way! Didn't expect that result! Great series!
Great series as usual, looking forward to what’s next!
Great video guys, sure wasn't expecting this result!
This has been my favourite series you guys have done for a while. Hope to see more like this! Also Let's Go Team PeugBro!
you guy's are amazing great content keep it going people
Great series guys! Looking forward to whats in store next :)
Loved this series! Though I’m not convinced you found the sheer joy of racing the Kei cars in Japan like you originally set out to find ❤
Loving this series!
Goes to show what's truly important and you don't need to spend much. Brilliant series guys, keen to see what's next - Gemini?
In reality an approach somewhere in between cash and trash is going to net you the best performance for your money depending on what components you're looking at.
This has been a fun series, top work as always guys.
Turbo time..😊
Love watching you guys. Keep up the good work. 👍
Thanks guys, it's been an entertaining series. Less weight is important on a twisty track seems to be a solid takeaway from this. Oh, and stock brake pads and fluid will probably be a limiting factor that reduces your time on track.
Less weight is important everywhere.
You could argue it's less important in a straight line... but somebody, somewhere will argue back and probably make valid points 🤣
@@starfox_wr-45e93 Ha, true that. Can't help feeling the Swift would have won on a more open track though. Or overheated earlier. 🙂
This is the best content from MCM outside of the long films. I love the super-budget builds that are an homage to your work from early years, but with access to high quality tracks and equipment. Great work as always.
Thank you for sharing, I loved it 😂 I had a good giggle. By the way that porches was struggling to pass you I recon.
Anytime I hear the OG music in the background, I am so instantly happy. Thank you both for your years of amazing content.
As a Subaru and Peugeot owner I knew the result since the start. Peugeots are so underrated or even hated in petrolheads world, so nobody really know how good they are. Just out of the box it was faster than Swift, but with proper mods it could be way faster.
What Peugeot did you have?
@Space Cowboy you are right about that 💯
@@khajiit5556 1,6 308 2011
Is not even GTI
Thoroughly enjoyed the video! While the Swift lost (by a tiny margin), it is also set up better for future modding. Very cool series and interesting result!
“Knowing that for those 24 seconds we’re free”…lol!!! Starting off with painfully amusing truths from the very beginning. I love it
I think that comparison wasn't fair. Suzuki got a lot of expensive parts that didn't contribute to making it faster and Peugebro got the best thing for a cheap track car possible which is lightness and for some reason expensive tires (I think tires should be some new economy tires - good brand but cheap to compare them witch expensive ones). But this series was super fun to watch and I hope there will be more seasons!
Well it’s about time Marty gets a win! Seems like Moog usually always does. Great series guys!
I do not understand why Moog didn't take full advantage of his expensive suspension when doing the alignment. Of course you should take full advantage, you bought expensive coilovers with more features?
Hard and soft, that’s hit. The strut tops aren’t adjustable and the back is a beam.
He didn't really go with good coilovers tbh😕
LOVED the series guys! Motorcycles would be fun next time ;)
Crazy you called the CZcams ad to the T. I would say this was missing one episode for brakes. But it was excellent still
Was such a fun series! Enjoyed it a lot!
Speed cost money how fast do you want to go is always true. But ultimately is the faster car "more fun"? I think being able to have fun in a car at any price tag is more important. It builds skills that when you push to that next level car that will help you be a better driver on the street and on the track.
This was a good grass roots series I enjoyed watching a lot. The true spirit of what MCM was before they started to build huge budgets. This is the stuff I like to learn from and see odd/cheap cars getting a propper upgrade and the science behind everything. So hat’s off to you guys for getting back in it 👏👏👏
That's a pretty huge budget so not sure what you mean.
Thanks for including th Pug! You are the only major car channel I've seen one, or any french cars on, since they really aren't appreciated. The masses expect that you bash them. German and Japan only gets so boring after a while, so many great cars out there if you allow yourself to meet them.
Not the results i expected, but that's mad as hell. Love this series and hope it returns
Come back from a Macca's run, and there's the Cash Vs Trash finale. I'm Lovin It.
Just not the one where that dude shat his pants at.
Would be interested to see if a proper suspension setup on the Swift had an impact - by matching setup this test kinda negated the spend. But right now you could set it to maximum potential and get another time and it would be an interesting bit of data for a budget build.
As for the puegbro, sell it to someone who does love those little nuggets and check back in from time to time :)
How did it negate the spend? You buy better coilovers for better damping features, preload and height adjustment. not alignment.
This is the logic of someone who hasnt actually fitted coilovers or aligned a car and has NFI what theyre talking about.
They havent gone wild on adjustable arms or anything so theyre still pretty much limited to basic toe adjustment on the swift. They could run more agressive alignement on the pegeot for 0 extra cost so this is a dumb argument, you may as well make them the same. Going for crazier alignments requires better driving too, you trade off driveability.
@@GeneralNOHthe coils and alignment go hand in hand for a few reasons but the caster, camber, and toe settings are affected by the ride height of the car during various stages of suspension travel, so taking that into account during the alignment can get you an edge. Also, adding the drivers weight in the seat during the alignment assures you have the most accurate alignment possible. But the biggest difference is with coil overs, you can do proper corner balancing on the car and that can add seconds to a lap time with a proper car and a decent driver. And as you change the alignment, the corner balance gets thrown off by a significant amount. The coils allow you to do the fine adjustments to get the alignment and the corner balance right on. I used to work in a performance shop building spec Miata’s and did a ton of alignment work on the cars
Great channel guys, really loved the cash vs trash series.
Does your suspension guru Andre know of anyone in melbourne who can weave the same magic?
Great stuff guys, looking forward to more
I wonder if Marty will keep the Peugeot, and give it some additional service, stronger brakes, and some additional power adders...I think he was thrilled with what he accomplished, and how he did it.
think about the other trash mods he did like exhaust...i think its going in the bin.
Wouldn't bother. If he was actually keen on keeping a Peugeot ( doubt it ), you'd buy a GTI or GTI180 minimum.
There was a red 206 GTI going for 4k when this series came about.
@@Kristoph109 and how many bigger engines or forced induction have they done to Daihatsu's...? Would be cool to see them go that route with the Peugeot, because it's so different where they are.
@@Kristoph1091.6i or 2.0i (non rc) have better tune options than the rc itself
Maybe if it didn't have whatever problem is with the engine to make the light come on and the breaks failing. It's a turd, and not a good kind of one so the decision to put more money into it just to make it functioning would have to be rationalized through love, and I don't know if there's much love being felt for that thing haha
try to do a cash build of the peugebro . those cars are a great deal of fun , especially in europe
"delayed parts from La France!"
I loved this series! Can't wait for season 2
Love the series. And every episode of this series. But big shout to the both of you. And love the humbleness of Marty. Ps you would have that problem
With a Honda 😅 just saying. Greetings all the way from Boston Massachusetts and hope you guys can do a meet and greet in the near future.
The Peugeot has a lot more left in it, even on a budget build but you’d need to spend more time on forums and hunting parts. Peugeots are like Lego, a lot of parts from bigger cars will fit. A shorter diff is an easy swap, etc…
They were in France two days ago (maybe still are), hopefully for some parts hunting !!!
Let's gooo 🔥🔥🔥
Thanks for the awesome content fellas
Great job to both of you. I thought that the pug was going to lose so great job. Loved the video.
24 seconds of freedom into this episode and I'm already clicking "like" while laughing!
no way! The result was truly unexpected considering the cost difference
Maybe for non-european car guys yes, but there's a reason why french hatches pretty much wiped out asian and german hatches in lower rally and track classes here in Europe.
Great series gentleman!! 👏🏻
Where did the smoke and CEL for the Swift come from? Excellent work Moog and Marty & Co who helped along the way. Love to see more of these nugget battles series. Plenty of overlooked budget daily cars with potential. Next if you guys could get a Proton Satria GTI and work on it. Cheers.
Pug for the win
Now imagine with an S16/GTI or even a RC/GTI 180 🤣
Great series guys thank you 🙏
I know they get swapped into everything but a k series in the Peugbro along with a brake upgrade and it would be a pretty capable and fun track car.
I took my RSX type S/DC5 Integra to the track last weekend.
Mods: bucket seat with rails, Momo steering wheel with quick release, cat back exhaust, big brake kit(brembos), high temp brake fluid, race pads, stainless lines, bigger rear sway bar, sub frame brace and 200TW tires.The car is on A spec factory suspension (1 inch lower than regular RSX) man I had so much fun, was amazing and I am glad I did the mods in this order
I love the series but you wanted to see which is faster with upgrades but you didn’t use all the adjustability, instead matching the trash suspension. So what’s the point spending more you aren’t going to use it ?
What would we have adjusted?
Peugeot let's go!
We need more cash VS trash.
I thought the swift had it in the bag so the result was a little surprising.
I also love how you guys kept if even and fair as much as you could between the two cars.
That was fun. Once again another absolute gem of a vid
MCM doing shitboxes is the most fun. Loved this series!
I love moogs when he looses a battle. His looks like he’s about to cry. I have great respect for Marty restraint in not laughing in Moogs face! 😂❤
Literally started the video, so happy to see a pug on the channel. I have both a 308 and borrowing my stepdads 407 while I try to fix the 308. I plan to do it up as a side project, but it might be due the scrappy
Awesome series! Have done this myself and there are some things i dont agree with and would have done differently, as some coments already pointed out. But awesome work as always!
But... no mentioning potential blown headgasket on the suk?
I called the Peugeot winning from the off!! 😂😂 Would have been an absolute cake walk if a better french hatch was chosen too, or even the 206 GTI... Great videos boys, absolutely loved them as per 👌
Bit of a strange thing to say? Would it alsi have been a cakewalk if Moog had bought a more powerful Japanese hatchback?
@@ferrumignis i just meant they got an absolutely bottom end french hatch as opposed to something more capable out the box from the french offerings... They could have got a 106 gti or saxo VTS which is still a 1.6 litre, 120ish bhp, similar in size etc and it would have SMOKED the swifty if the 206 did 😂
@@VersionOneUK They couldn't have got either of them since they were never imported into Australia. The 206 was the closest equivalent to the Swift they could find for reasonable money. This whole series has been a disappointing half assed mess tbh. Moog spent a bunch of money on mostly pointless crap, added weight and just threw on his new suspension with no setup. The engine tuning segment was an absolute joke.
Pug to win
What a great video, thank you guys
So fun story. My wife and I were on a quick road trip to pick some stuff up a couple of hours away. We decide to grab lunch but it's Sunday in the south so options can be limited. So we go to Chili's... I know. But we "enjoying" our food when I hear, "you're the bullet, I'm the gun" loudly sung over the background music... I freaked out a little. My wife didn't get it. Great job moog.
Everyone but the JDM fanboys knew that the 206 would kill the Swift. Now imagine the same amount of money put in the Peugeot
So pleased this series is finally over
What a great series well done boys
I met these 2 legends in Paris. Nicest guys ever. Their empathy is second to none. They both signed my old moped. Now that moped has to live in my living room!!
Excellent series, thankyou! Just seen a Swift Sport for sale down the road for £2400, never considered one as a cheap track car but now it looks like im going to have to convince the wife!
Cool series. Would have been nice to see two of the same cars with cash and trash. 😎
As a 206 owner , its not trash, its underrated gold
Enjoyed the final battle! Good shit.
Totally agree: a seat and tires are the best mods and should be done first!
Really enjoyed watching this I'm currently building an audi tt for abit of track fun this was really relatable 👌
Best part of the Swift build is the matching race suit!!! Bloody hilarious. Nice finally boys!
Actually Moog, for me, CZcams inserted an ad exactly before you said what your total money spent was😆 this was an interesting challenge and build series. I like certain cars that have an enthusiast following, but aren't very popular with the masses. It's nice to drive places and you have the only make and model car there.
Well done to the Peugbro ❤❤ A fantastic series from start to finish.