The two locomotives at each end are connected to each other through the lighting circuits of the carrages, so they're working in "multiple" - both locos know what each other is doing in effect. The same applies to any kind of locomotives working top and tail or double headed, and even DMU's like sprinters working in multiple.
Ah private railways... the "We don't own the train we just lease it so we'll rag the absolute fuck out of it until it blows up and the wheels fall off" mentality.
Oh definately. Sounded sick at the front alright, siezed or duff turbocharger, but the railway company's response was "oh let's paint it a different colour that'll fix it" Our old EMUs and DEMUs were thus treated by Connex among others on the former Southern Region.
another way to look at is that as messed up as the locomotive is it manages to pull out the station. that's the power of old tech for you. even banjacked it can still work reasonablly well.
Did it make it to where it was going??Nice bit of clag!!I just love Hst's, 1970's master pieces.Was on one coming back from Edinburgh,had my hand held gps on & clocked it at 130MPH!!on the race track north of York.Magic stuff!!
As a qualified engineer and studying the footage closely, I can confidently state that in my professional opinion that the front power car is buggered, shafted and most probably as much use on that train as kick in the nuts would be of use to the average bloke in the street.
The Valentas were life expired for front line use and no matter how much people moan it could have been worse, we could have seen wholesale scrapping of HST's. I have to give hats off to First Great western in having the country's first fully fledged preserved heritage fleet with new engines in old locos.. If only we had done that with all our other locos we would not be looking to Canada or elsewhere to buy locos but would be enjoying re engined British built locos.. ho hum!
It looked like the front unit was throwing out unburnt fuel, or not running on all cylinders. I don't know diesel engines, but whoever thought that was fit for service was wrong.
normal sound, hst can happily run on a single power car however during normal use 1 drives the other supplies ancillaries aka air compressors and electric generation services to passenger cars they can still run close to 125 on single power car just loose a lot of acceleration due to the additional load. i used to work on the paxman in the navy and the 125 overhauls in devonport dockyard a lot of naval vessels used valentas of varying cylinder numbers and the swiftsure-trafalgar subs ran paxman venturas basically v18 without the blower/
not all MTU's mate, EMT are giving MML VP185's and the MTU is going to extend their life more than ten years, and after that maybe a new engine. the HST never gets old, and i have never seen a vlaenta like that, so it shows that it is just a few going west, though this is awesome! wish i had seen that one
HST's are like bog units with atitude. By the time they arrived on the North Wales coast, they were in a feckin heap. I miss the days of the 80's when you didn't know if it was a 45 or 46 in the distance. The noise of a 37, the vibrations from a 40 as we stick our faces upto the plastic door that stops you touching the engine. Many heads with back pacs full of sambos, books of trains & of course, a pen & paper. "was that 47555 flying past a 72mph"? I miss that shit!
No the Mirrlees were fitted in the late 80's / early 90's to only 4 powercars, of which were put back to Valentas later on anyway. The MTU is a complete different and awful sounding engine that most train companies and now having fitted to their power cars
They're both communicating to each other with computer equipment, so the computers in each end know what the driver is asking it to do. For example, if the driver asks for 50% throttle, the two loco's will communicate with each other to provide 25% power on each loco. It's hard to explain. The best way to imagine it, is a HST in full formation should be considered "one train" - much like a Sprinter or Pacer is "one train" even though it is 2 or 3 cars with seperate engines.
actually its power setting the trailing car just matches the input of the prime mover it doesnt split power it matches power it u diel in lets say 1500rpg notch 2 on prime engine the bogy will match it the power isnt divided its doubled
@@louisburland5346 That is semantics. 50% of the demand for whatever full power is, is split 25% between each loco. Be that "double" or "half," it's the same thing essentially.
I can hardly imagine it's that complex, but I'm not well versed in all of the various British control schemes. In the states, it's much more predictable with every MUd engine responding to the throttle input with no "splitting" of power. If the throttle is in notch 7, every locomotive will be in that power setting unless there is some knockdown fault like overheating (which will only affect the local locomotive). Digital communication between units is often limited to informational purposes on the 27 pin cable.
the engine has been sitting idling for a long time and will probably clear once the engine is running at full speed. the napier deltic engine in the class 55 used to do the same thing.
The driver should have shut that engine down - it couldn't have felt / sounded right & the lack of acceleration must have been evident. Reconsidering notice that the driver is only proceeding at low power judging by the back engine sound, presumably to reduce the amount of smoke coming from the faulty engine.
well, it is a bit of a struggle, a Paddington service with 1 power car (when they were Brand new) ended up being 5 down at Slough once because they can't get the acceleration with one Power car.
If this isn't justification for replacing the valentas, I don't know what is!! Sure the valenta's sound good, I'll miss them, but they've definately had their day now!!
What i think is impressive is that the engine waited till getting to Paddington before failing. Like it knew it was its last trip and it wanted to perform one final time. mac550 SHUT UP your talking rubbish go away. These trains are fantastic, nd when there gone i for one will be sad to see them leave. 30/40 years of service.
Good news I have a tripod and going to the Dean Forest Railway tomorrow where they have Steam and a DMU running... loads of videos will be uploaded Monday morning!
@teletubbykiller23 And also the MTU 12V956TB10 has bin a realy reliable engine for 30 years (the MTU brother of the valenta soundwise aswell) That engine was used in the BR 218 Rabbits!
GNER can be just as bad as fGW! Late trains are usually the norm and don't get me started on the crappy Gantry the ECML uses. FCC (Atleast on the Thameslink side) are doing a good job, refurbishing the 319s and doing up the stations. Also, on this route late trains cant be helped so you cant blame the TOC for that.
@teletubbykiller23 I'm not surprised, they have 8 turbo's on a V16 engine instead of a V12 with 1 turbocharger, the MTU has 8 turbo's to go, thats 1 for every 2 cylinders. I have never been a fan of this 'modern refinement' ever since they started putting small turbo's in 1.2 petrol engines & scrapping the conventional 1.4/1.6. 1. It has a turbo to break 2. The engine seems too small for the increased combustion they are putting refinement over reliability. The headgaskets will break soon.
Cannot agree with anyone saying that a Valenta in that condition is better than an MTU. From an enthusiast point of view it may be better but from a real world point of you there is nothing wrong with an MTU. Sorry but what is the alternative, a 175/185/220??
The insult of referring to an HST as a "thing".
It's not a steam loco. It's just a thing
The two locomotives at each end are connected to each other through the lighting circuits of the carrages, so they're working in "multiple" - both locos know what each other is doing in effect.
The same applies to any kind of locomotives working top and tail or double headed, and even DMU's like sprinters working in multiple.
Ah private railways... the "We don't own the train we just lease it so we'll rag the absolute fuck out of it until it blows up and the wheels fall off" mentality.
Oh definately. Sounded sick at the front alright, siezed or duff turbocharger, but the railway company's response was "oh let's paint it a different colour that'll fix it" Our old EMUs and DEMUs were thus treated by Connex among others on the former Southern Region.
Holy Smokes Batman, that MTU engine is clagging the station out! Great video 5 stars and favourites from me!
It's not an MTU. It's a Valenta Paxman......
That has got to be a serious contender for "Carry on clagging 3"!!!!!
Im impressed that they could get to that speed with just 1
Ooh, I can almost feel it. What a great feeling to be covered in nice warm clag.
That is one CLAGGY HST!!
another way to look at is that as messed up as the locomotive is it manages to pull out the station. that's the power of old tech for you. even banjacked it can still work reasonablly well.
Enter Jeremy Clarkson reference... 'I've got cancer now!'
GNER hsts still look like they are working in the 80s with the current interiors!
Ah yes, nostalgia
Did it make it to where it was going??Nice bit of clag!!I just love Hst's, 1970's master pieces.Was on one coming back from Edinburgh,had my hand held gps on & clocked it at 130MPH!!on the race track north of York.Magic stuff!!
Less like a steam train more like a smoke train 😂
Fresh smoke for first class
I'm not surpised it clags loads considering the amount of miles an HST has to do..
Anyone know which HST number has the highest mileage..?
Hmm... probably 43003 considering it's age, or maybe some of the Eastern Region ones that are now rotting in Ely
Thats the best HST clag i've seen
steam to diesil, now diesil to steam...ahhh good to be back steamys!!
Still better emissions then a VW
Hahahaha!
*nerd* I like to think our railways are ever so slightly more badass than Europe's with us using stuff like that. :P
"honey, when did we board a steam train?"
"we didn't..."
As a qualified engineer and studying the footage closely, I can confidently state that in my professional opinion that the front power car is buggered, shafted and most probably as much use on that train as kick in the nuts would be of use to the average bloke in the street.
Surely, people would see the smoke go past the window and think 'hang on, somethings not right'?
The Valentas were life expired for front line use and no matter how much people moan it could have been worse, we could have seen wholesale scrapping of HST's. I have to give hats off to First Great western in having the country's first fully fledged preserved heritage fleet with new engines in old locos.. If only we had done that with all our other locos we would not be looking to Canada or elsewhere to buy locos but would be enjoying re engined British built locos.. ho hum!
must be a train full of steam enthusiasts...and a loco passionate about steam as well.
BEAST!!!
As a child I used to think that the Australian XPT was a steam train because of all of the smoke that came out of it.
It looked like the front unit was throwing out unburnt fuel, or not running on all cylinders. I don't know diesel engines, but whoever thought that was fit for service was wrong.
The turbos in that rear power car are whistling their hearts out trying to push the lot
normal sound, hst can happily run on a single power car however during normal use 1 drives the other supplies ancillaries aka air compressors and electric generation services to passenger cars they can still run close to 125 on single power car just loose a lot of acceleration due to the additional load.
i used to work on the paxman in the navy and the 125 overhauls in devonport dockyard a lot of naval vessels used valentas of varying cylinder numbers and the swiftsure-trafalgar subs ran paxman venturas basically v18 without the blower/
driver: oi bill whats that smoke comein out are fgw hst
co driver: thats not smoke that me smokeing
I had a turbo fail on a class 47 on a test run from crewe works to craven arms. Lots of smoke but no go and had to assisted back to crewe.
it really was the duke steaming out
I love the guy in the background " He never makes it fucking bearing has gone"
Thats what i call a bloody sea gull killer dose the job
not all MTU's mate, EMT are giving MML VP185's and the MTU is going to extend their life more than ten years, and after that maybe a new engine. the HST never gets old, and i have never seen a vlaenta like that, so it shows that it is just a few going west, though this is awesome! wish i had seen that one
A HST Power car doing its Western Prince impresion!!
HST's are like bog units with atitude. By the time they arrived on the North Wales coast, they were in a feckin heap. I miss the days of the 80's when you didn't know if it was a 45 or 46 in the distance. The noise of a 37, the vibrations from a 40 as we stick our faces upto the plastic door that stops you touching the engine. Many heads with back pacs full of sambos, books of trains & of course, a pen & paper. "was that 47555 flying past a 72mph"? I miss that shit!
black jock must have just given it a service
No the Mirrlees were fitted in the late 80's / early 90's to only 4 powercars, of which were put back to Valentas later on anyway. The MTU is a complete different and awful sounding engine that most train companies and now having fitted to their power cars
They're both communicating to each other with computer equipment, so the computers in each end know what the driver is asking it to do. For example, if the driver asks for 50% throttle, the two loco's will communicate with each other to provide 25% power on each loco.
It's hard to explain. The best way to imagine it, is a HST in full formation should be considered "one train" - much like a Sprinter or Pacer is "one train" even though it is 2 or 3 cars with seperate engines.
actually its power setting the trailing car just matches the input of the prime mover it doesnt split power it matches power it u diel in lets say 1500rpg notch 2 on prime engine the bogy will match it the power isnt divided its doubled
@@louisburland5346 That is semantics. 50% of the demand for whatever full power is, is split 25% between each loco. Be that "double" or "half," it's the same thing essentially.
I can hardly imagine it's that complex, but I'm not well versed in all of the various British control schemes.
In the states, it's much more predictable with every MUd engine responding to the throttle input with no "splitting" of power. If the throttle is in notch 7, every locomotive will be in that power setting unless there is some knockdown fault like overheating (which will only affect the local locomotive). Digital communication between units is often limited to informational purposes on the 27 pin cable.
the engine has been sitting idling for a long time and will probably clear once the engine is running at full speed. the napier deltic engine in the class 55 used to do the same thing.
another class service from the blackman
I mourn the demise of the paxman valenta.
The driver should have shut that engine down - it couldn't have felt / sounded right & the lack of acceleration must have been evident.
Reconsidering notice that the driver is only proceeding at low power judging by the back engine sound, presumably to reduce the amount of smoke coming from the faulty engine.
Must have been a naff turbo because you can't hear it screaming
not a naff turbo the scream is the valentta vp185 its their thing
thats why there called screaming valentas
That one just wasnt firing on all cylinders, requires routine maintenance Valenta at the back
5 Down means it was running 5 minutes behind it's schedule.
It sounded like the diesel had crack stuffed in its engines lol! thats my funniest thought of why its so smokey!
I seem to remember one the arguments FOR getting rid of steam, was less pollution. Ha ha ha.
"It's" = "It is" or "It has"
Great video, cheers mate.
This must be video number two on CZcams…
It's a diesel-outline steam engine instead of a steam-outline diesel!
FMJ! what a BEAST!
It's nucking fackkered! :D :D :D
that was why the midland mainline caught on fire a few years ago
well, it is a bit of a struggle, a Paddington service with 1 power car (when they were Brand new) ended up being 5 down at Slough once because they can't get the acceleration with one Power car.
a ship engine in a locomotive-no wonder they snapped the exhausts with the vibration.
If this isn't justification for replacing the valentas, I don't know what is!! Sure the valenta's sound good, I'll miss them, but they've definately had their day now!!
AAAAH THE CLAG THE CLAG IT NEEDS A REPAIR SO MUCH CLAG!!!!
Now the second power car sounded much more like a HST should sound. The first well, didn't.
The oil is low it looks like there is going to be a service on this train soon.
Thanks
Dave
the train forgot it wasn't a stream train.
As Del Boy would have said to the cameraman - "Brace yourself Rodney!!!"
What i think is impressive is that the engine waited till getting to Paddington before failing. Like it knew it was its last trip and it wanted to perform one final time.
mac550 SHUT UP your talking rubbish go away.
These trains are fantastic, nd when there gone i for one will be sad to see them leave. 30/40 years of service.
That looked to me, like the very early stages, of the engine running away
notice the lack of the turbo scream...turbo is deffo fucked
He forgot to blow the whistle LOL
@class313
Actually the one at the front was an MTU
The one at the back was a Paxman.
I never knew that HST's were steam trains
You an expert mechanic then to diagnose the problem just from a short bit of video....
it may be a blown turbo *whit's for the engin in the back* yep the front engin has a blown turbo
Check out the oil running down the side from the exhausts too!
they're limited to 110 MPH with one power car for safety reasons.
;O Breaking the Twat ban I see........
Good news I have a tripod and going to the Dean Forest Railway tomorrow where they have Steam and a DMU running... loads of videos will be uploaded Monday morning!
wow my lordz that is lovely true valenta
i can smell it down here! mmm lol
P A X M A N - V A L E N T A
HST is a tax in Canada called, "Harmonized Sales Tax."
BLOODY HOLLY HELLFIRE!!!!
@teletubbykiller23
And also the MTU 12V956TB10 has bin a realy reliable engine for 30 years (the MTU brother of the valenta soundwise aswell) That engine was used in the BR 218 Rabbits!
Plot Twist: this was the steam train that went to plymouth and not 71000
Why all you guys saying it needs oil? It looks more like its burning oil. But yeah she sounds rough. Poor thing. It's probably been scrapped now :(
GNER can be just as bad as fGW! Late trains are usually the norm and don't get me started on the crappy Gantry the ECML uses. FCC (Atleast on the Thameslink side) are doing a good job, refurbishing the 319s and doing up the stations. Also, on this route late trains cant be helped so you cant blame the TOC for that.
What the hell fully smoke all over place!!!
@teletubbykiller23 I'm not surprised, they have 8 turbo's on a V16 engine instead of a V12 with 1 turbocharger, the MTU has 8 turbo's to go, thats 1 for every 2 cylinders. I have never been a fan of this 'modern refinement' ever since they started putting small turbo's in 1.2 petrol engines & scrapping the conventional 1.4/1.6. 1. It has a turbo to break 2. The engine seems too small for the increased combustion they are putting refinement over reliability. The headgaskets will break soon.
My VW golf does the same thing, so changing the aspect ratio should fix it ?.... Sweet lol
@tornadof3raf after banning smoking in all stations, they had to make up for all the missing pollution somehow.
@Victorialine67 the front isan MTU, the back is a valenta.
The rear engine is fine, couldn't they have just shut the front down and made do with a poultry 2200-odd hp?
The Front Was A Valenta The Back Was MTU or maybe other way round!
looks like the piston rings have gone!
They're just not the same without the Valenta :(
@teletubbykiller23 At the very least the turbo's gone. With that in mind, quite possibly bits of turbo are stuck inside the engine.
@sparky30368 ive read that it is 43008 wich now works for east coast
I think it wanted a piece of the action!
@JBOwl4life In the above video, they are both Valentas
lol That´s hilarious! Great vid men
Cannot agree with anyone saying that a Valenta in that condition is better than an MTU. From an enthusiast point of view it may be better but from a real world point of you there is nothing wrong with an MTU. Sorry but what is the alternative, a 175/185/220??
Testimony to why Alison Steadman was thrown out of FGW, her policy of puntuality over reliabilty - WHATEVER THE COST"
I bet the power car was smoking crack heroine. :D