Hello, I come from another versus community that uses very different methods than those proposed by pages like VsBattle wiki and similar ones. At least the people who use the same system as me, believe that total omnipotence is the final point in fiction, since in the Spanish and Portuguese community there is no OC fallacy and the NLF, characters in this system like TOAA are invincible in this system, (Cosmology does not influence them because it goes beyond any possible one). It's quite curious how in a variety of edits they propose that omnipotent beings lose to other characters because of their cosmology, which doesn't make sense from where I see it. TOAA could literally wipe out all SCPs except for ABSS, since the latter is the same in concept.
@@danielkode7920 In reality they are completely different logics. Anti-principle is equally weak here, since since its own creator discredited it as something non-existent then by logic it would have no level here. And we also have a limit, our last category is called "Omniversal" although out of habit some call it "boudless" but it is a different boudless than the one used in VsBattle, it is defined by the maximum logical exponent of omnipotence that is possible in the Fiction, omniversal beings, that is, omnipotent, can do everything and therefore are invincible no matter what character it is. For example, Marvel's The One Above All can only draw or win against other fictional characters, never lose due to his omnipotence, No Limit Fallacy does not exist here.
The art shown in this video is the main reason why art made by true artist in my opinion are better than art made by ai which is also good but art made by a human is just sometimes perfection
I have debated with many people and thought for a long time about this topic, and I believe that as such a literal omnipotence is not possible, but it is possible to create a character that manages the end of total omnipotence to the limit that fiction allows, characters Thus they have to be clarified and verified that they are possessors of all the qualities, and there is no logical limitation to not really give them that status. There are terms in other communities such as: "Omniversal/absolute"
In my opinion I feel like omnipotence can't exist Not because of no limit fallacy But because of Cosmology So if you have cosmology x Omnipotence would be defined as being powerful enough to destroy/create/modify the entire cosmology and being infinitely above all the characters in said media combined But being infinitely powerful is not the end of fiction, that's why there will be a character stronger than those omnipotent characters Omnipotence is relative imo, if literal omnipotence can't exist, only relative omnipotence exists
Anything can exist in fiction, if it doesn't exist in real life, then it automatically will exist in fiction (because that's literally the dictionary definition of "fiction", and you can't deny that, or it would not be fiction), that's why "beyond omnipotence" term is very used. Also, as the video said, the term "omnipotence" means infinite power, BUT, in math there's infinites bigger than other infinites, and if omnipotence is refered to infinity, then there's classes of omnipotences higher than others.
@@celianascimento2092 No, it is completely true that it is undeniable that anything in fiction can exist in some way, but you can equally be invincible, by logic you can also make a character that has a power that literally understands everything and that is only limited to being fiction. , and is represented with omnipotence, it would be like being all the infinities you want and that even if someone wanted to do something more massive, the character was simply made by you so as not to be limited to the other term or idea, keep in mind that it practically does not matter No matter how hard you try to do something that surpasses a totally omnipotent being in terms of cosmology, the other omnipotent being will simply do the same.
Pretty good video on the idea of omnipotence but depending on interpretation you can always find a way to get higher with cosmologies or other bs powerscaling terms. Basically your idea of illogical omnipotence can take the final destination we powerscalers try to achieve so the end point where this concept 'omnipotence' is the finishing line in powerscaling, once you reached here its over, there's nothing above. Now I'll not say that this is definitive but I'll issume that your idea of illogical omnipotence is based on the power you have in your own imagination. Basically if you could achieve in reality all the things you can achieve in your own mind. If you view the final direction of omnipotence as something higher than this you can correct me. Make sure that the parralel cosmology is under the control of your idea of 'omnipotent being' so any higher powerscaling terms can be used on reality as well as the parralel cosmology exists in real life, not in fiction and is under the control of the omnipotent being enabling us to 'logically' use these cosmological terms. In terms of basic powerscaling your idea of omnipotence would scale the highest, but if we use the form of advanced powerscaling you can scale higher than the power you have in your imagination. Imagine an abstract concept unknown to us, and this abstract concept is the creator of everything, literally everything. Do we know who created the universe, if we say its the big bang, then who created the big bang, if we say being a then we created being a, and so on and so on, who created who, forever. The abstract concept is the final destination of this paradox, and don't try to use our own logic to this because its laws works under a cosmology so immense that even the power you have in your imagination cant get a grasp of them. Remember this same power is the power that creates cosmologies like WoD, higher than WoD, and basically all the cosmologies that can be created in fiction, under the laws of logic that works inside your own imagination. And just because something is illogical to you and beyond your understanding, ex 0=1 axiom or i am that i am power doesn't mean that its illogical to it, you can just imagine a cosmology higher than them that has logic and laws of physics who works properly under these absurd interpretations. In other words our own understanding doesn't match the power you have in your imagination. And this power understanding and logics also doesnt match the power and logic behind the 'abstract concept' as this concept is the creator of everything, everything that was created and can be created, every amount of power that can be achieved is under its control, in front of a true omnipotent being we can never escape, even if we could do in reality what we can do in our dreams its nothing infront of this 'omnipotence'. There even a cosmology so ridiculous that our own real life was the same as fiction, basically in front of it we do not even exist it could do it. Heck even the power in our inagination could not do such a thing otherwise by a weird twist of logic what we imagined would somewhat become real, so this power is limited by the 'real life being above fiction' transcendence. But with this we can scale higher, we can scale higher than even real life, we can scale higher than everything. Even a number so large with a mathematic so massive that it took all the power we have in our own imagination to create, and if we transcend real life by an amount of time equal to that number, this can be done by the power od 'true omnipotence'. 'True omnipotence' is the creator of everything, even numbers so massive that our lucid dreams power couldn't create because its above its understanding, they can be created with true omnipotence. The amount of worlds that can transcend reality and is equal with that massive number that is beyond our lucid dreams power, can also be created, as everything is created and belongs to true omnipotence, and true omnipotence is the finishing line of powerscaling and beyond any logic of cosmology, powerscaling, etc, and only its own logic can be applicable to it, we cant use terms of, 'is there something higher' because that thing is the final destination of omnipotence according to its own logic and understanding. Now infront of this what is our understanding? What is the understanding that can be achieved with the power you have in your dreams. Nothing, its nothing. Its likely that this 'true omnipotence' is the final destination of powerscaling, as it contains everything. It contains and is the source of apothetic theology, the power of our own imagination, real life, worlds higher than real life, omnipotence. Everything belongs to it before it can belong to a being other than itself, imagine that the difference between itself and other things than itself is similar to the shares in a company. This being shares is always higher than 50%, and the shares of its creations is always lower than 50%, so it is always absolute.
Hello... I just met a character who seems to be an oc, the author himself says it’s tier 0 scale, and more. If you could make a video talking about that character to see if it’s not an "oc falacy", please. The character is called "jake vietnam"
Can you make a video on Ultima reality’s current thread on vsbw in which hes proposing change the upper tiers of the tiering system, basically deeming anything beyond infinity as only quantitative superiority and fictional transcendence as qualitative and is beyond that like check it out it could change the powerscaling as we know it
Would like to ask if you actually found an irrelevant layers above tiering character capable of extending cosmology. I never found a character like this and wondered how it would scail
@@abdiakhlaq8525 i think what the commenter is saying is that he wants fm to find a character with the tier of irrelevant layers into beyond tiering that can make his verse's cosmology stronger and bigger. most strong characters you see get that strong by destroying structures, but its rare how a character get strong by creating structures. one of the examples of a character get strong by making a structure is the downstreamer with their manifold
The only exception to the existence of an omnipotent being existing in fiction that I know of would be that or Eru Illuvatar, as Tolkien, a profoundly believing catholic, stated that Eru as he wrote it wasn't really an invention to him, but rather the same God he worshipped as a christian. Meaning that to him, the mention of God he makes in his books is no different than the mention of God he would make in our real world. They are to him one and the same, the creator of his world is the same God that created the world he lived in, and he merely reports this action. This is subject to debate though, as I think it would imply that Tolkien would have needed to believe his fictional world to be real, in a sense, which he clearly did not believe, as far as I am aware. Moreover, I hate talking for the dead.
If the entire thing is contained within a dimension, and each plane has infinite dimensions then it would be High hyperversal, if the construct is unbound by dimensions then the construct would be high outerversal
What about the paradox that comes with it? An omnipotent being who can do anything could theoretically create a boulder even he couldn't lift, though then it would defy his omnipotence.
There is no paradox that true omnipotence couldn't solve he is beyond all kinds of illogical stuff it doesn't make sense he could do absolutely completely everything even how impossible it is that's why true omnipotence couldn't exist in any reality it is completely irrelevant
@@wizzardoisahhhhh true omnipotence doesn't bound by any paradox like what I say definition of true omnipotence is just completely impossible that's why it's completely impossible to exist
@@marlongornez19 that doesnt make sense, ur saying true omnipotence cant be bound by paradox and yet ur using its definition to say that so if we're using the term true omnipotence without an objective definition then it can be defined as anything just contradicted yourself up, ur saying something with the use of something and saying that it is impossible which implies its non existent
Not necessarily. Whether an irrational character would always win against a rational character depends on the specific attributes, abilities, and context of the characters involved. Being irrational, in the sense of not being bound by logic or reason, doesn't automatically guarantee victory. It means that an irrational character can perform actions that defy logical or rational constraints, which can be both an advantage and a disadvantage.
@@Aquarius_S That's what I want to say about. Max Tegmark, who made the concept of type of multiverse, disagreed to infinite multiverse. He said type 4 multiverse is that if universe's existence is irrelevant to human's existence, the universe is based on mathematical structure at his book. Type 4 multiverse does not have all mathematical structure in itself. I think many scalers are misunderstanding on type 4 multiverse.
In our real life we have true omnipotent because we created fiction that characters have boundless power or omnipotent power and we can put them into any battles we want and we can create the character that has insane power and we can debunk them or rebunk them
Imo • The One Above All. • The One Bellow All. • The Beyonder. • Divine Creator. • Job Burke/Adam K'admon. • Fallen Stars. • HOI Vision/GoS Loki. • The Lost One. • Then and Now. • Oblivion. • The Phoenix. • Eternity. • Queen of the Nevers. • The Concepts. • The Ivory Kings. • Blue Marvel
Quandale Dingle, Juandale Pringle, Old man Quandale(Backrooms), Gigachad, Tyrone, Tyler Durden, Shrek, Bartholomew Ballsack, Gorlock the destroyer, Pitbull named cupcake and Drip goku all solo I am That I am, Supreme Author, SCP 3812, Scarlet Demon, Novel true form FP pennywise, all of fiction aside from memes. They solo that one horror fanfiction verse as well(I think it was called SCP or smth). And they solo that one table top role play game as well.
this is like saying Xeno Goku Xenoverse game is True Omnipotent he sees fiction as fiction he has knowledge about all the real world of beat world and defeated a nigh omnipotent demon god demigra thats can destroys entire Db History timelines dimensions Concept of time and space and he exists outside of beyond space and time also he was going to destroys the Real world as we live and Xeno Goku save us by defeating Final form demigra in base Form like a toddler got ragdolled by a Tiger also he has treated to beings like towa and mira who can destroys infinite outerverses mutiverses universes by his presense alone second he has nigh omniscient iq he was gazing into Infinite Possibilities and timelines so yeah Xeno Goku Xenoverse Game is insanely stupidily op and he knows how he is a fictional character
Funny that now people just debunk OC Fallacy which make Garou Terra 3 guy "quatified for scaling" and scaled to High Outer to Beyond Tiering for fuck sake, it just like you only need to make a character who's an alternate version of the original character and give them a lore then it will be no OC Fallacy
@duyanhnguyen891 OCF has long been debunked by Project FM itself. In fact, this error does not even officially exist. It was created only in order not to compare the characters made on the knee.
@duyanhnguyen891 As an example, I can cite the character of Cosmic Rimuru or Saitama, who has trained 1 million people. They have no cosmology, no achievements, nothing at all.
Esoterica explains it pretty well if you're interested Only negative is that he does it hrough an actual theological point of view You could use it as a basis
@@StevesolofictionandrealitySteve has no book of knowledge, that is not canon, the video you made scaling steve has no proffs, i know you are just a troll 😘😘😘😘😘
DC has a version of each character that can threaten the DC cosmos as if it was a normal Tuesday, Marvel on the other hand makes non Canon every version of character that's extremely OP (for example Astral Regulator Thanos) or retcons and nerfs them to oblivion (for example Pre Retcon Beyonder and Pre Retcon Molecule Man). DC wins this because it's... for lack of a better term *hierarchy* isn't as strict as Marvel's due to the Existence of multiple OP versions of characters like for example: - Mobius Chair Wally West - The Darkest Night - Cosmic Armour Superman - God of Gods Shazam And many more.
@@sonraonofficial631What are you talking about? Literally, the Pre Retcon Beyonder was always canon, the Molecule Man was buffed because before he didn't even measure up to the Beyonder. Powerful non-canon versions. Power of Love Spiderman. Rune King Thor. T.O.B.A. Hulk. Captain Hydra. Beyonder Omega. Literally all of those versions are canon, that their powers were taken away is something else.
1: Presence (true god. Confirmed by Morrison and Snyder) 2:Great Darkness Void and Source (both have nearly same power but Presence is kinda stronger İMO. but normaly this 4 is top 1) 3:Chronicler (Source's right Hand Basicly. strongest "Hand" character) 4:Unwritten Charachters (if someone says UnWritten is not Canon they probably never read the actual Comic) 5:Cosmic Raptor and The Hands ( they has Power of Source/Presence)
The dilemma making strongest fictional series is when you already did it, there are a lot of series that created by a bunch of people that actually stronger, and always come the newer one
Baseline boundless due to be a pure being and can affect or destroy impossible and possible worlds and also trascend geomatrical dimensions and traditional binary distinctions logic and human comprehension this place it in baseline boundless (CSAP) According to the smt wanker scarlet studio
V0, the empty set, has cardinality 1. V1, containing just the empty set, has cardinality 2. the cardinality of Vα is aleph-α (אα), where aleph-α is the αth infinite cardinal number. The cardinality of the entire von Neumann universe V is aleph-null (א0), also called aleph-zero. This is the cardinality of the natural numbers. א0 is smaller than aleph-one (א1), aleph-two (א2), and so on. These are cardinal numbers beyond the finite ordinals. Cardinals like aleph-omega (אω) and beyond are larger still and represent higher levels of infinity than those constructible within V. Large cardinal axioms posit the existence of even larger cardinals like measurable, strongly compact, and inaccessible cardinals far above א0. the von Neumann universe has cardinality א0, placing it among the lowest transfinite cardinals in the hierarchy. Its sets only reach levels of infinity describable from the natural numbers onwards. Higher large cardinals transcend what can be constructed within the von Neumann universe.
Well, an old WoD blog says The Triat's energy play created The Celestines, including Gaia. In White Wolf Wiki, it is stated that Ahu created The Triats who created Gaia, Werewolf: The Apocalypse is given there for reference. Seeing statements like "The Wyrm spoke to The Weaver and teased her that The Wyld had *greater dominion over Gaia.* " or "More importantly, if not for the Wyld, Gaia would surely die." makes me feel like this scenario is more valid. The highball scale is that she might be The One Giver, which is also a character that is said to be above the Consensus Hierarchy as The One is referred to as "she". Nevertheless, this isn't clear at all and she might be a different character from Gaia. If this contingency is true, then Gaia can possibly scale below SRE or even worse SCP as she would scale below Extended Modal Realism. If there are multiple Gaias, though, just like The Buddhas, or if there is a lower essence of Gaia that resides in Deep Umbra, apart from The Supernal, then things might be different.
@@Bey0ndBlrthday “terrible powerscaler” Also him: makes the most reliable and logical tiering system Debunks overrated characters that everyone accepts at this point
Omnipotence in fiction needs more context or it will not be powerscaled, the overused """""""""""""""argument"""""""""""""""""""" that states that omnipotence can't exist in fiction is absolute garbadge stacked on garbadge infinitly with R>F transcendence. Omnipotence can exist in fiction, but the character cannot afect other fictional universes without the authority of the creators of those universes, only with crossovers or imaginary battles, only in fiction, the character can not affect real life, saying omnipotence cannot exist in fiction because it would need to affect real life is the same as saying that laser vision cannot exist in fiction because the laser cannot cut trought the paper and get to real life, the omnipotence is only in fiction, if we are talking about the apophatic vision of omnipotence then omnipotence>tiering system, any fictional character consider to be God and the cosmology of the verse doesn't get past uni+ that got will be uni+ for creating the timeline of the verse. Omnipotence>all math, science, concept, etc. If a character is stated to be beyond omnipotence he will get destroyed by Han Solo's boner.
The no limits fallacy states that just because a character has showed no limit doesn't mean he has no limits, that is what no limits fallacy is. Anyone can create a omnipotent character without needing to state everything, for example, let's make a big cosmology and explain why the omnipotent character is truly omnipotent in fiction: "There are a number of berkeley cardinal sets of universes, each one containing the axioms, laws of biology and science and each one has it's onw laws of mathematics, it has modal and extended modal realism and all possible and impossible universes, all of this is called a metaverse, there is a aleph-infinity of these metaverses, each choise in one of those creates more aleph infinity metaverses and each choice in one of those metaverses creates more aleph-infinity metaverses and it goes on aleph infinitly. All of these is a hiperverse, there is a number of inacessible cardinal of hiperverses in one sphere that is called a omniverse, there is a number of inacessible cardinal of omniverses, one above the other, seeing the one below as fiction, all of these is called a microcosm, there are a number of berkeley cardinal of microcosms that make one timeline, there are infinite timelines that make a true multiverse, there are infinite true multiverses that make a macrocosmos, these is all seen has fiction by God, the supreme and omnipotent being, even if you make a cosmology higher than this it will not reach god, no matter what more number of sets and R>Fs trancendences you imagine it will not reach god, god is beyond any description, being a description made by a human, a god, a alien, a demon, it doesn't matter, even the god i'm describing is a ilusion because god is beyond any description, and this god is a ilusion because god is above any description, you understand, he is infinity, but on a litteral level, beyond logic, illogic, paradoxes, space, time, cardinals, axioms, etc... he can do anything and everything, and this god is a ilusion because i'm describing god and god is beyond any description, you understand, again. God is apophatic, he cannot use the "is" to describe god, even caling him infinite on a literal level is a ilusion" See? I just made a truly fictional omnipotent being.
Illogical omnipotence is not greater than logical omnipotence. Illogical things are not things. And if you intend on pretending that they are, you can apply principle of explosion to anything and reach any conclusion you want. An omnipotent is illogical? Ok, then I can say an ant stomps it. There's no logical explanation for this, but we abandoned logic with this axiom, so I can claim whatever. Logical omnipotence you cannot argue an ant stomps because that is illogical. And illogical things not only do not exist, but cannot exist under such an axiom, meaning not being able to do an illogical thing isn't a restriction. And any illogical character from another verse would be erased by default if thrown into a logical verse. Being illogical isn't being powerful. It's being nonsensical.
@@projectfm684 What do you mean "Nah"? No counterargument? Oh of course not. In this video, you admit you "power scalers" don't abide by common sense or logic at all, so you lose any discussion by default.
@@projectfm684 You do know logic itself is fundamental to everything, right? It's not the same as transcending our laws of physics, which are not even fundamental seemingly, as observed with black holes distorting them. No, logic is fundamental to all things. There is no possible world where 2 + 2 = 18. You cannot be beyond logic. That's illogical. And if you want to press this so hard, what is your counterargument for me saying an ant stomps your beyond logic god? That makes no sense? But I thought this god was supposed to transcend making sense? Hell, logic is required for any discussion as well.
omnipotent =/= tier 0 or above *he can be refer to great power same as omniscient* = *great knowledge, many author use this term for that ex : *the omnipotent queency yhwach* from bleach
@@wizzardoisahhhhh why not apopathic theology I mean the true apopathic theology is beyond all of concepts and definition even words absolutely everything that was his nature
@@marlongornez19 see ur just contradicting the fundamental structure and the conceptual framework of apophatic theology by saying its beyond all concepts since any form of positive affirmation wont satisfy or govern this, its beyond any positive subjectivistic claim and none of these can frame upon the linguistical base of apophatic theology... it governs the objective properties of God with all possible and impossible negative terminals and it can be called existing at a world beyond the worlds that gap our immaterial human mind and human logic and even we cannot grasp its true nature and forms and abstracts, and none of it could even comprehend this using fundamental linguistic and communicative means however true omnipotence is much lower than this state since true omnipotence is just the ability that surpasses even infinity yet an infinity that is self deterministic and an infinity that is due to affirmation and finitude and further notions and the one ontological status which satisfies the nature of such divinity and its aspects Φ however here Φ is still something which is more a positive affirmation for Φ however with apophatic and negative theology, we cannot talk about Φ as its beyond the grasp of human thought and its nature so Φ is still within our description and can be comprehended by human material mind however apophaticism still completely transcends this as its also beyond description which includes true form of omnipotence and Φ cannot be described using any means so even omnipotence or TRUE OMNIPOTENCE which is a description is not enough for Φ so its just beyond in another way of linguistical deduction or induction thats how they are not explicitly correlated but inherently and implicitly transcendent and superior to each other
@@blizzard1198 yes let say is that did apopathic theology beyond completely everything I mean literally anything or concepts that you apply to it? Every words every concept means even the concept of omnipotence no matter what you apply to it, apopathic theology is completely beyond that, see is the same league with true omnipotence am I wrong?
Simple summary:
Omnipotence is not an concept which can exist in fiction.
That saves me many minute to chewing this video
Hello, I come from another versus community that uses very different methods than those proposed by pages like VsBattle wiki and similar ones.
At least the people who use the same system as me, believe that total omnipotence is the final point in fiction, since in the Spanish and Portuguese community there is no OC fallacy and the NLF, characters in this system like TOAA are invincible in this system, (Cosmology does not influence them because it goes beyond any possible one).
It's quite curious how in a variety of edits they propose that omnipotent beings lose to other characters because of their cosmology, which doesn't make sense from where I see it.
TOAA could literally wipe out all SCPs except for ABSS, since the latter is the same in concept.
@@PixelBattles147Wait, if you guys don't use oc fallacy, anti principle defeats complete verses?
@@danielkode7920 In reality they are completely different logics. Anti-principle is equally weak here, since since its own creator discredited it as something non-existent then by logic it would have no level here. And we also have a limit, our last category is called "Omniversal" although out of habit some call it "boudless" but it is a different boudless than the one used in VsBattle, it is defined by the maximum logical exponent of omnipotence that is possible in the Fiction, omniversal beings, that is, omnipotent, can do everything and therefore are invincible no matter what character it is. For example, Marvel's The One Above All can only draw or win against other fictional characters, never lose due to his omnipotence, No Limit Fallacy does not exist here.
omnipotente is a stat of being not a new tier of power like "my character solo your verse omnipotent"
omnipotent is like what 5 years olds say to validate their character being stronger than others
if you listen closely, you can hear the spirits of powerscalers trying to possess Project FM at the last section of the video
this art goes crazy
The art shown in this video is the main reason why art made by true artist in my opinion are better than art made by ai which is also good but art made by a human is just sometimes perfection
I have debated with many people and thought for a long time about this topic, and I believe that as such a literal omnipotence is not possible, but it is possible to create a character that manages the end of total omnipotence to the limit that fiction allows, characters Thus they have to be clarified and verified that they are possessors of all the qualities, and there is no logical limitation to not really give them that status.
There are terms in other communities such as: "Omniversal/absolute"
In my opinion I feel like omnipotence can't exist
Not because of no limit fallacy
But because of Cosmology
So if you have cosmology x
Omnipotence would be defined as being powerful enough to destroy/create/modify the entire cosmology and being infinitely above all the characters in said media combined
But being infinitely powerful is not the end of fiction, that's why there will be a character stronger than those omnipotent characters
Omnipotence is relative imo, if literal omnipotence can't exist, only relative omnipotence exists
Anything can exist in fiction, if it doesn't exist in real life, then it automatically will exist in fiction (because that's literally the dictionary definition of "fiction", and you can't deny that, or it would not be fiction), that's why "beyond omnipotence" term is very used. Also, as the video said, the term "omnipotence" means infinite power, BUT, in math there's infinites bigger than other infinites, and if omnipotence is refered to infinity, then there's classes of omnipotences higher than others.
@@celianascimento2092 No, it is completely true that it is undeniable that anything in fiction can exist in some way, but you can equally be invincible, by logic you can also make a character that has a power that literally understands everything and that is only limited to being fiction. , and is represented with omnipotence, it would be like being all the infinities you want and that even if someone wanted to do something more massive, the character was simply made by you so as not to be limited to the other term or idea, keep in mind that it practically does not matter No matter how hard you try to do something that surpasses a totally omnipotent being in terms of cosmology, the other omnipotent being will simply do the same.
@@omniverse681 what
Pretty good video on the idea of omnipotence but depending on interpretation you can always find a way to get higher with cosmologies or other bs powerscaling terms.
Basically your idea of illogical omnipotence can take the final destination we powerscalers try to achieve so the end point where this concept 'omnipotence' is the finishing line in powerscaling, once you reached here its over, there's nothing above.
Now I'll not say that this is definitive but I'll issume that your idea of illogical omnipotence is based on the power you have in your own imagination. Basically if you could achieve in reality all the things you can achieve in your own mind. If you view the final direction of omnipotence as something higher than this you can correct me.
Make sure that the parralel cosmology is under the control of your idea of 'omnipotent being' so any higher powerscaling terms can be used on reality as well as the parralel cosmology exists in real life, not in fiction and is under the control of the omnipotent being enabling us to 'logically' use these cosmological terms.
In terms of basic powerscaling your idea of omnipotence would scale the highest, but if we use the form of advanced powerscaling you can scale higher than the power you have in your imagination.
Imagine an abstract concept unknown to us, and this abstract concept is the creator of everything, literally everything.
Do we know who created the universe, if we say its the big bang, then who created the big bang, if we say being a then we created being a, and so on and so on, who created who, forever.
The abstract concept is the final destination of this paradox, and don't try to use our own logic to this because its laws works under a cosmology so immense that even the power you have in your imagination cant get a grasp of them. Remember this same power is the power that creates cosmologies like WoD, higher than WoD, and basically all the cosmologies that can be created in fiction, under the laws of logic that works inside your own imagination.
And just because something is illogical to you and beyond your understanding, ex 0=1 axiom or i am that i am power doesn't mean that its illogical to it, you can just imagine a cosmology higher than them that has logic and laws of physics who works properly under these absurd interpretations.
In other words our own understanding doesn't match the power you have in your imagination.
And this power understanding and logics also doesnt match the power and logic behind the 'abstract concept' as this concept is the creator of everything, everything that was created and can be created, every amount of power that can be achieved is under its control, in front of a true omnipotent being we can never escape, even if we could do in reality what we can do in our dreams its nothing infront of this 'omnipotence'. There even a cosmology so ridiculous that our own real life was the same as fiction, basically in front of it we do not even exist it could do it.
Heck even the power in our inagination could not do such a thing otherwise by a weird twist of logic what we imagined would somewhat become real, so this power is limited by the 'real life being above fiction' transcendence.
But with this we can scale higher, we can scale higher than even real life, we can scale higher than everything. Even a number so large with a mathematic so massive that it took all the power we have in our own imagination to create, and if we transcend real life by an amount of time equal to that number, this can be done by the power od 'true omnipotence'.
'True omnipotence' is the creator of everything, even numbers so massive that our lucid dreams power couldn't create because its above its understanding, they can be created with true omnipotence.
The amount of worlds that can transcend reality and is equal with that massive number that is beyond our lucid dreams power, can also be created, as everything is created and belongs to true omnipotence, and true omnipotence is the finishing line of powerscaling and beyond any logic of cosmology, powerscaling, etc, and only its own logic can be applicable to it, we cant use terms of, 'is there something higher' because that thing is the final destination of omnipotence according to its own logic and understanding.
Now infront of this what is our understanding?
What is the understanding that can be achieved with the power you have in your dreams.
Nothing, its nothing.
Its likely that this 'true omnipotence' is the final destination of powerscaling, as it contains everything.
It contains and is the source of apothetic theology, the power of our own imagination, real life, worlds higher than real life, omnipotence. Everything belongs to it before it can belong to a being other than itself, imagine that the difference between itself and other things than itself is similar to the shares in a company. This being shares is always higher than 50%, and the shares of its creations is always lower than 50%, so it is always absolute.
You have made me think quite a bit with this one
So the true omnipotent can give us greater power than boundless and we can transcend into boundless and we can use any power we want that is cool
If you are true omnipotent then you will be already boundless
Me: Wow, this is worthless.
Project FM: It's less than worthless.
Great video bro
Goddamn this voice is satisfying to my ears (they're bleeding 🗿)
Well Said
Hi bro you got discord or something to connect with your viewers
Pls i am a big fan
The next Topic is the Axiom (Smt) or Hajun (masadaverse) pls
The best asmr content 2:55
Excellent! 1:55
Perfect
Terrific, Outstanding, Amazing, Marvelous, Flawless!
Hello...
I just met a character who seems to be an oc, the author himself says it’s tier 0 scale, and more.
If you could make a video talking about that character to see if it’s not an "oc falacy", please.
The character is called "jake vietnam"
Plisss
Hi bro you got discord or something to connect with your viewers . Pls i am a big fan
@projectfm684 does copyright structure from another verse count to scale (my question came from terra 2-3 box opm same one as i read from V&D wikia)
Can you make a video on Ultima reality’s current thread on vsbw in which hes proposing change the upper tiers of the tiering system, basically deeming anything beyond infinity as only quantitative superiority and fictional transcendence as qualitative and is beyond that like check it out it could change the powerscaling as we know it
@@proximity-1 But that depends on everyone else’s opinion and rn they’re discussing potential changes so more than likely its gonna pass
😊😊😊😊😊
Please explain the kabbalah and its scales pwetty please
🙏
Would like to ask if you actually found an irrelevant layers above tiering character capable of extending cosmology. I never found a character like this and wondered how it would scail
Wait what?
@@abdiakhlaq8525 i think what the commenter is saying is that he wants fm to find a character with the tier of irrelevant layers into beyond tiering that can make his verse's cosmology stronger and bigger. most strong characters you see get that strong by destroying structures, but its rare how a character get strong by creating structures. one of the examples of a character get strong by making a structure is the downstreamer with their manifold
@@aaaaa-we9jf oh god
Pls define omnivastance
TERRA 3 OPM RELEASED AND I THINK ITS GONNA BE A BOOK, SCALE IT PLEASE
omnivastance vs omnipotence
Omnivastance is omnipotence on steroids what ever beyond omnipotence is omnipotence itself
Omni man (he’s actually omnipotent this time 🥶🥶😱😱)
@@brine_5162 the fuck are you on
Prime
5:25ish
Literally just anti-principal
Who do you think is the top 30 strongest in fiction
project fm how powerful would a fictional character be if she destroyed words?
Scale Hajun
The only exception to the existence of an omnipotent being existing in fiction that I know of would be that or Eru Illuvatar, as Tolkien, a profoundly believing catholic, stated that Eru as he wrote it wasn't really an invention to him, but rather the same God he worshipped as a christian.
Meaning that to him, the mention of God he makes in his books is no different than the mention of God he would make in our real world. They are to him one and the same, the creator of his world is the same God that created the world he lived in, and he merely reports this action.
This is subject to debate though, as I think it would imply that Tolkien would have needed to believe his fictional world to be real, in a sense, which he clearly did not believe, as far as I am aware. Moreover, I hate talking for the dead.
Nah it's the same as all the other's.
What is the meaning of asmr
Autonomous sensory meridian response
@@zainulabideen5490 I ask mean
@@aadicariappa2344 thanks
@@aadicariappa2344 is this actually true?
@@aaaaa-we9jf Yes it is on google
can you talk about R>F transcendence? Whether it should be treated as 1-A straight up or not?
new tiering system vsbw
@@omniverse681 no? he just stating some problem about the current tiering and not interesting in changing the system
If the entire thing is contained within a dimension, and each plane has infinite dimensions then it would be High hyperversal, if the construct is unbound by dimensions then the construct would be high outerversal
Please auren true scale
what the hael
Im ThE FiRsT
frfr
What about the paradox that comes with it? An omnipotent being who can do anything could theoretically create a boulder even he couldn't lift, though then it would defy his omnipotence.
there are counterfeits and refutes to this, i can already debunk this
There is no paradox that true omnipotence couldn't solve he is beyond all kinds of illogical stuff it doesn't make sense he could do absolutely completely everything even how impossible it is that's why true omnipotence couldn't exist in any reality it is completely irrelevant
@@marlongornez19 that just rises the paradox up
@@wizzardoisahhhhh true omnipotence doesn't bound by any paradox like what I say definition of true omnipotence is just completely impossible that's why it's completely impossible to exist
@@marlongornez19 that doesnt make sense, ur saying true omnipotence cant be bound by paradox and yet ur using its definition to say that so if we're using the term true omnipotence without an objective definition then it can be defined as anything
just contradicted yourself up, ur saying something with the use of something and saying that it is impossible which implies its non existent
I like these ai narration
will a character who is irrational(not bound by logic or reason) always win against a rational character
Depends on context and stuff
go beyond is an illogical attack but no one is gonna say it beats high tier logical characters
Not if the logical one scales much higher
Not necessarily. Whether an irrational character would always win against a rational character depends on the specific attributes, abilities, and context of the characters involved.
Being irrational, in the sense of not being bound by logic or reason, doesn't automatically guarantee victory. It means that an irrational character can perform actions that defy logical or rational constraints, which can be both an advantage and a disadvantage.
Well if you're not scaling Hajun how about scaling The Amaranth from The Elder Scroll. I heard the TES cosmology is comparable to SCP EN
Amaranth=EN SK=Baseline boundless=1-mahlo cardinal
@@Aquarius_S noosphere=inaccesible cardinal
Infosphere=strongly inaccesible
Patasphere=1-mahlo
EN SK has a feat to counter I. H. Pickman's proposal.
@@Aquarius_S That's what I want to say about. Max Tegmark, who made the concept of type of multiverse, disagreed to infinite multiverse. He said type 4 multiverse is that if universe's existence is irrelevant to human's existence, the universe is based on mathematical structure at his book. Type 4 multiverse does not have all mathematical structure in itself. I think many scalers are misunderstanding on type 4 multiverse.
@@Aquarius_S And is there some article that says about type 4 multiverse in EN SCP? I read it in CN SCP. But I have never seen it at EN SCP.
@@Aquarius_S At what article? I haven't seen anything like them except SCP-CN-2510.
True omnipotence does not exist in fiction
True Omnipotence doesn't exist
There is no true omnipotence in fiction, but there is a version that is equally invincible.
In our real life we have true omnipotent because we created fiction that characters have boundless power or omnipotent power and we can put them into any battles we want and we can create the character that has insane power and we can debunk them or rebunk them
@@Jeneditz193 But in our reality we don't have power so it's useless
Please top strongest characters marvel
Imo
• The One Above All.
• The One Bellow All.
• The Beyonder.
• Divine Creator.
• Job Burke/Adam K'admon.
• Fallen Stars.
• HOI Vision/GoS Loki.
• The Lost One.
• Then and Now.
• Oblivion.
• The Phoenix.
• Eternity.
• Queen of the Nevers.
• The Concepts.
• The Ivory Kings.
• Blue Marvel
@@kaidensozhensson4167living tribunal left the chat🗿🗿
@@kaidensozhensson4167 please top
@@Aquarius_S I think toaa is number 1, he create the verse with a pencil
Lord of shamballa fall into oblivion
@@Aquarius_S please top strongest characters dc
Imo: no one has omnipotence, not even god (unpopular opinion) as if someone does, we wouldnt be here.
Yo could you debunk this opm character named “Cosmic Garou Terra 3”
@sage.i
Most likely he will do exactly the opposite. Lol.
Quandale Dingle, Juandale Pringle, Old man Quandale(Backrooms), Gigachad, Tyrone, Tyler Durden, Shrek, Bartholomew Ballsack, Gorlock the destroyer, Pitbull named cupcake and Drip goku all solo I am That I am, Supreme Author, SCP 3812, Scarlet Demon, Novel true form FP pennywise, all of fiction aside from memes. They solo that one horror fanfiction verse as well(I think it was called SCP or smth). And they solo that one table top role play game as well.
Mitchell Hooper claps all of them ☠☠☠
That's just childish
TRUE
Omnipotence does not break my Rubaverse Tiering System 🗿.
It does.
rubaverse solos fiction 🫠🤙
Rubaverse wth
@@abdiakhlaq8525
It is a tiering system I made inspired by the CSAP Tiering System.
😂😂😂😂😂
Can you do yogiri takatou
Low outer at best
this is like saying Xeno Goku Xenoverse game is True Omnipotent he sees fiction as fiction he has knowledge about all the real world of beat world and defeated a nigh omnipotent demon god demigra thats can destroys entire Db History timelines dimensions Concept of time and space and he exists outside of beyond space and time also he was going to destroys the Real world as we live and Xeno Goku save us by defeating Final form demigra in base Form like a toddler got ragdolled by a Tiger also he has treated to beings like towa and mira who can destroys infinite outerverses mutiverses universes by his presense alone second he has nigh omniscient iq he was gazing into Infinite Possibilities and timelines so yeah Xeno Goku Xenoverse Game is insanely stupidily op and he knows how he is a fictional character
Fodder
metafictional ass
Fodder + virtually omnipotence
@@soydegoat how is he fodder? Xeno Goku is almost Omnipotent tier
@@Abrold he is 7d complex fodder
Funny that now people just debunk OC Fallacy which make Garou Terra 3 guy "quatified for scaling" and scaled to High Outer to Beyond Tiering for fuck sake, it just like you only need to make a character who's an alternate version of the original character and give them a lore then it will be no OC Fallacy
@duyanhnguyen891
OCF has long been debunked by Project FM itself. In fact, this error does not even officially exist. It was created only in order not to compare the characters made on the knee.
@duyanhnguyen891
As an example, I can cite the character of Cosmic Rimuru or Saitama, who has trained 1 million people. They have no cosmology, no achievements, nothing at all.
@duyanhnguyen891
I was referring to Saitama, who has been training for 1 million years. I'm just using a translator, so there may be mistakes
The OC fallacy dont exist.
@@PixelBattles147false, oc fallacy is used for debunking unofficial published charcters as a cheat for the purpose of powerscaling
Can you explain the kabbalah ?
Esoterica explains it pretty well if you're interested
Only negative is that he does it hrough an actual theological point of view
You could use it as a basis
@@cyrus8886 ok thanks
Pls scale Cosmic Garou Terra 3
@davinpatrick8996
More precisely, it is better to ask to scale the OPM terra 3 cosmology. I think it will be quite an interesting experience.
@@faredark956 Yea Terra 3 cosmology is just insane
@@faredark956Yeah i agree
Fax
Steve gets destroyed by Goku.
@@pedro_suricataboss3197 mid goku got killed by wall level laser
@@StevesolofictionandrealitySteve has no book of knowledge, that is not canon, the video you made scaling steve has no proffs, i know you are just a troll 😘😘😘😘😘
@@StevesolofictionandrealityHe was in his base for, and how do you know that was a wall level laser.
@@pedro_suricataboss3197 czcams.com/users/shortsEc7ML5B3V8E?si=fVja7i84Ui6q2ete
Hey fm which verse is more powerful including and excluding cosmology
MARVEL OR DC?
DC
DC has a version of each character that can threaten the DC cosmos as if it was a normal Tuesday, Marvel on the other hand makes non Canon every version of character that's extremely OP (for example Astral Regulator Thanos) or retcons and nerfs them to oblivion (for example Pre Retcon Beyonder and Pre Retcon Molecule Man).
DC wins this because it's... for lack of a better term *hierarchy* isn't as strict as Marvel's due to the Existence of multiple OP versions of characters like for example:
- Mobius Chair Wally West
- The Darkest Night
- Cosmic Armour Superman
- God of Gods Shazam
And many more.
Marvel is more consistent in scaling
DC has higher scaling
@@sonraonofficial631What are you talking about?
Literally, the Pre Retcon Beyonder was always canon, the Molecule Man was buffed because before he didn't even measure up to the Beyonder.
Powerful non-canon versions.
Power of Love Spiderman.
Rune King Thor.
T.O.B.A. Hulk.
Captain Hydra.
Beyonder Omega.
Literally all of those versions are canon, that their powers were taken away is something else.
DC
.
Top strongest characters dc
@@Aquarius_S overvoid,beloc?morginistar Lucifer?
@@Aquarius_SUnwritten isn't canon in DC
1: Presence (true god. Confirmed by Morrison and Snyder)
2:Great Darkness Void and Source (both have nearly same power but Presence is kinda stronger İMO. but normaly this 4 is top 1)
3:Chronicler (Source's right Hand Basicly. strongest "Hand" character)
4:Unwritten Charachters (if someone says UnWritten is not Canon they probably never read the actual Comic)
5:Cosmic Raptor and The Hands ( they has Power of Source/Presence)
@@kaidensozhensson4167 it is
Wilson Taylor
The dilemma making strongest fictional series is when you already did it, there are a lot of series that created by a bunch of people that actually stronger, and always come the newer one
So ommnipotence solos
No 💀
Yes@@ziadhulhok
@@pedro_suricataboss3197Omnipotence is a inverse stuff lmao.
@@ziadhulhokInverse stuff?
@@pedro_suricataboss3197 it means they only work inside the verse not outside other verses like crossverse
That means omnipotentence > boundless
Omnipotence is above all if we use logic, but the term is used in more than a narrative way to describe the supreme being of the verse.
Nah.
There is no boundless.
@RealGoku213 can you explain how no verse can reach boundless
Wod cosmology vs scp cosmology
(Your opinion??)
From what I know, Wod slams under both Vsbw and csap tiering system.
High end vs High end: WOD stomps on both tiering system.
If I recall FM stated WOD>=
Scp
WoD i think.
Well then how Jesus, Yahweh, and Allah exist in IRL adapting fiction if omnipotent does not exist in fiction 🗿?
Yahweh and allah didn't exist
@@harrishromero6447lol
@@iamthatiamtherealnameofgod
Is he an atheist?
@@Hypersteel-4340Nop
@@chrisAN3681
Then what is he?
Well, even in real world it is impossible to prove the omnipotence.
It's easier to get rid of this term overall
yo could you scale the axiom from smt?
Is not like it will scale to 1-A
@@laurenmatius wild
@@Aquarius_S says who? Shin Megami Tensei cannot scale beyond High 1-A
wall level
Baseline boundless due to be a pure being and can affect or destroy impossible and possible worlds and also trascend geomatrical dimensions and traditional binary distinctions logic and human comprehension this place it in baseline boundless
(CSAP)
According to the smt wanker scarlet studio
Where do you scale Von Neumann Universe?
V0, the empty set, has cardinality 1. V1, containing just the empty set, has cardinality 2. the cardinality of Vα is aleph-α (אα), where aleph-α is the αth infinite cardinal number. The cardinality of the entire von Neumann universe V is aleph-null (א0), also called aleph-zero. This is the cardinality of the natural numbers.
א0 is smaller than aleph-one (א1), aleph-two (א2), and so on. These are cardinal numbers beyond the finite ordinals. Cardinals like aleph-omega (אω) and beyond are larger still and represent higher levels of infinity than those constructible within V.
Large cardinal axioms posit the existence of even larger cardinals like measurable, strongly compact, and inaccessible cardinals far above א0. the von Neumann universe has cardinality א0, placing it among the lowest transfinite cardinals in the hierarchy. Its sets only reach levels of infinity describable from the natural numbers onwards. Higher large cardinals transcend what can be constructed within the von Neumann universe.
@@ziadhulhok So where does it scale? It's because to clear the debate for T3 OPM?
Can please scale supreme maker?
Because all that star wars wank is going out of hand.
below Batgos
@@batgoswins fax
Please top strongest characters
m.czcams.com/users/shortsQfmQRCqANdE
@@projectfm684
How about the top 10 strongest in your knowledge?
@@Hypersteel-4340 I think it would be I am that I am but am not sure
@@supershenron4688 Please top strongest characters
@@user-eh3qw3lg5r I am that I am is the name of the strongest character that I know.
Why reality solo fiction?
We Are The Reason Why Cartoons/Animes/Comics Exist
Does Gaia create trait?
Or trait create Gaia??
Bcz some proof also suggest that trait create Gaia
Gaia created everything in WOD when no one existed
@@RealGoku213 dies there was any proof of it??
Bcz before everything...were was wyrm and void
@@zainulabideen5490yep. Gaia created everything before there was nothing. Mage: The Ascension
Well, an old WoD blog says The Triat's energy play created The Celestines, including Gaia. In White Wolf Wiki, it is stated that Ahu created The Triats who created Gaia, Werewolf: The Apocalypse is given there for reference. Seeing statements like "The Wyrm spoke to The Weaver and teased her that The Wyld had *greater dominion over Gaia.* " or "More importantly, if not for the Wyld, Gaia would surely die." makes me feel like this scenario is more valid.
The highball scale is that she might be The One Giver, which is also a character that is said to be above the Consensus Hierarchy as The One is referred to as "she". Nevertheless, this isn't clear at all and she might be a different character from Gaia.
If this contingency is true, then Gaia can possibly scale below SRE or even worse SCP as she would scale below Extended Modal Realism. If there are multiple Gaias, though, just like The Buddhas, or if there is a lower essence of Gaia that resides in Deep Umbra, apart from The Supernal, then things might be different.
What is the meaning of wis
Who is stronger
@@Ruined_Runes ok finally I know what is the meaning of wis community
Bros gonna try and debunk my verse at some point🗣️
Nope he is a terrible powerscalers.
@@Bey0ndBlrthday “terrible powerscaler”
Also him: makes the most reliable and logical tiering system
Debunks overrated characters that everyone accepts at this point
Its just apophasis
Apopathaic theology? It contradicts my man
Not really.
Apophatic Theology is something beyond our understanding while omnipotence is being capable of everything without any limit.
@@ziadhulhokno
@@kaidensozhensson4167omnipotence can turn them into apophasis, as they have no limit on anything and even fallacies are just nothing.
@@kaidensozhensson4167 Yo te conosco... Tu eres la persona que se humilló a un wey que se contradecía respecto a la omnipotencia
Hajun>>>> true omnipoten
💀
Omnipotence in fiction needs more context or it will not be powerscaled, the overused """""""""""""""argument"""""""""""""""""""" that states that omnipotence can't exist in fiction is absolute garbadge stacked on garbadge infinitly with R>F transcendence. Omnipotence can exist in fiction, but the character cannot afect other fictional universes without the authority of the creators of those universes, only with crossovers or imaginary battles, only in fiction, the character can not affect real life, saying omnipotence cannot exist in fiction because it would need to affect real life is the same as saying that laser vision cannot exist in fiction because the laser cannot cut trought the paper and get to real life, the omnipotence is only in fiction, if we are talking about the apophatic vision of omnipotence then omnipotence>tiering system, any fictional character consider to be God and the cosmology of the verse doesn't get past uni+ that got will be uni+ for creating the timeline of the verse. Omnipotence>all math, science, concept, etc. If a character is stated to be beyond omnipotence he will get destroyed by Han Solo's boner.
The no limits fallacy states that just because a character has showed no limit doesn't mean he has no limits, that is what no limits fallacy is. Anyone can create a omnipotent character without needing to state everything, for example, let's make a big cosmology and explain why the omnipotent character is truly omnipotent in fiction: "There are a number of berkeley cardinal sets of universes, each one containing the axioms, laws of biology and science and each one has it's onw laws of mathematics, it has modal and extended modal realism and all possible and impossible universes, all of this is called a metaverse, there is a aleph-infinity of these metaverses, each choise in one of those creates more aleph infinity metaverses and each choice in one of those metaverses creates more aleph-infinity metaverses and it goes on aleph infinitly. All of these is a hiperverse, there is a number of inacessible cardinal of hiperverses in one sphere that is called a omniverse, there is a number of inacessible cardinal of omniverses, one above the other, seeing the one below as fiction, all of these is called a microcosm, there are a number of berkeley cardinal of microcosms that make one timeline, there are infinite timelines that make a true multiverse, there are infinite true multiverses that make a macrocosmos, these is all seen has fiction by God, the supreme and omnipotent being, even if you make a cosmology higher than this it will not reach god, no matter what more number of sets and R>Fs trancendences you imagine it will not reach god, god is beyond any description, being a description made by a human, a god, a alien, a demon, it doesn't matter, even the god i'm describing is a ilusion because god is beyond any description, and this god is a ilusion because god is above any description, you understand, he is infinity, but on a litteral level, beyond logic, illogic, paradoxes, space, time, cardinals, axioms, etc...
he can do anything and everything, and this god is a ilusion because i'm describing god and god is beyond any description, you understand, again. God is apophatic, he cannot use the "is" to describe god, even caling him infinite on a literal level is a ilusion"
See? I just made a truly fictional omnipotent being.
No you didnt.
No you didn't
Yes i did.@@archeopteryx5465
Yes i did.@@kaidensozhensson4167
True.@@proximity-1
Illogical omnipotence is not greater than logical omnipotence. Illogical things are not things. And if you intend on pretending that they are, you can apply principle of explosion to anything and reach any conclusion you want. An omnipotent is illogical? Ok, then I can say an ant stomps it. There's no logical explanation for this, but we abandoned logic with this axiom, so I can claim whatever.
Logical omnipotence you cannot argue an ant stomps because that is illogical. And illogical things not only do not exist, but cannot exist under such an axiom, meaning not being able to do an illogical thing isn't a restriction. And any illogical character from another verse would be erased by default if thrown into a logical verse. Being illogical isn't being powerful. It's being nonsensical.
Nah
@@projectfm684 What do you mean "Nah"? No counterargument? Oh of course not. In this video, you admit you "power scalers" don't abide by common sense or logic at all, so you lose any discussion by default.
@@projectfm684Me when I do not have an argument:
All i have to say is that you are restricting a transcendental being to our logical framework
@@projectfm684 You do know logic itself is fundamental to everything, right? It's not the same as transcending our laws of physics, which are not even fundamental seemingly, as observed with black holes distorting them.
No, logic is fundamental to all things. There is no possible world where 2 + 2 = 18. You cannot be beyond logic. That's illogical. And if you want to press this so hard, what is your counterargument for me saying an ant stomps your beyond logic god? That makes no sense? But I thought this god was supposed to transcend making sense?
Hell, logic is required for any discussion as well.
I love how WOD is overrated
Still negs comp Cthulhu mythos
@@dorkybuttCap 😂
@@dorkybuttit's extended Yog Sothery you uneducated mongrel. Not Cthulhu Mythos. That one is fodder
Bruh wod is underrated
While Cthulhu mythos is overrated
omnipotent =/= tier 0 or above
*he can be refer to great power same as omniscient* = *great knowledge, many author use this term for that
ex : *the omnipotent queency yhwach* from bleach
True omnipotence is same with apopathic theology
no
@@wizzardoisahhhhh why not apopathic theology I mean the true apopathic theology is beyond all of concepts and definition even words absolutely everything that was his nature
@@marlongornez19 see ur just contradicting the fundamental structure and the conceptual framework of apophatic theology by saying its beyond all concepts since any form of positive affirmation wont satisfy or govern this, its beyond any positive subjectivistic claim and none of these can frame upon the linguistical base of apophatic theology... it governs the objective properties of God with all possible and impossible negative terminals and it can be called existing at a world beyond the worlds that gap our immaterial human mind and human logic and even we cannot grasp its true nature and forms and abstracts, and none of it could even comprehend this using fundamental linguistic and communicative means however true omnipotence is much lower than this state since true omnipotence is just the ability that surpasses even infinity yet an infinity that is self deterministic and an infinity that is due to affirmation and finitude and further notions and the one ontological status which satisfies the nature of such divinity and its aspects Φ however here Φ is still something which is more a positive affirmation for Φ however with apophatic and negative theology, we cannot talk about Φ as its beyond the grasp of human thought and its nature so Φ is still within our description and can be comprehended by human material mind however apophaticism still completely transcends this as its also beyond description which includes true form of omnipotence and Φ cannot be described using any means so even omnipotence or TRUE OMNIPOTENCE which is a description is not enough for Φ so its just beyond in another way of linguistical deduction or induction
thats how they are not explicitly correlated but inherently and implicitly transcendent and superior to each other
@@marlongornez19 there's no such thing as true apophatic theology, what you described is base apophatic theology.
@@blizzard1198 yes let say is that did apopathic theology beyond completely everything I mean literally anything or concepts that you apply to it? Every words every concept means even the concept of omnipotence no matter what you apply to it, apopathic theology is completely beyond that, see is the same league with true omnipotence am I wrong?
Hi bro you got discord or something to connect with your viewers
Pls i am a big fan
Hi bro you got discord or something to connect with your viewers
Pls i am a big fan
Hi bro you got discord or something to connect with your viewers
Pls i am a big fan
Hi bro you got discord or something to connect with your viewers
Pls i am a big fan
Hi bro you got discord or something to connect with your viewers
Pls i am a big fan
Hi bro you got discord or something to connect with your viewers
Pls i am a big fan
Hi bro you got discord or something to connect with your viewers
Pls i am a big fan
Hi bro you got discord or something to connect with your viewers
Pls i am a big fan