CAN Controller Hack for Waking up Scooter Battery Packs
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Just ordered 6 of the packs yesterday. Super excited that I might be able to use the onboard BMS. Thanks for the update, and looking forward to the open-source info on what CAN commands need to be sent
It is great when you ask how to connect something up and people respond. Really like the cheat sheet for wiring up the battery pack.
Awesome job Jehu. Can't wait.
Great ideas. Thank you!
Wow great work!! Im a big fan of youre work now😍 popcorn and on to the next video 💪😊
Nice vid, told you that we should get our hands on these. :) . My coleague Mihai actually did the sniffing and the coding part, credits goes to him, I was just assistant on this one. As for the charge while dicharging problem, we discussed that you should try charging them on the load wires, the BMS should still cut off, we will also try it tomorrow.
Theoretically charging on the load wires should be possible, the ebikes with regenerative break will charge through the load wires as well. Only one way to find out.
I use a solar mppt ebike charge controller to charge from the sun into the load wires. Doesn't work on all charge controllers like the green one but other than that it works great if amps arnt to high
@DIY Projects thanks! Yes, we chose this board that's already produced and has the can and stm . We will prepare a git repo and place the code then share the details how to program and use.
@@Alexander1560 Alex, if you can shoot a link right here on githab, it's gonna be awesome!
@@Alexander1560 Are you able to discharge directly from the main B+ and B- while charging via the BMS?
Hi. Yes. Can discharge while charging
Damn this guy been posting for 13 years what a legend🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
That's the kind of stuff I do. Much love.
Awesome!
I assume that it can also be powered by an external 5V source instead of shorting the the orange and pink wires together, correct?
Also are these STM32 CORTEX available for sale with the code written in to it?
Small world dude. You showed up on one of my Burning Man Community forums. Your videos are being discussed for doing things in the desert. -Joel M, from too long ago.
Any limit to how many can be paralleled to one controller? Do you know the serial or parallel limits of the built-in BMS? Does the BMS have a discharge cuttoff voltage? I have a project this would be perfect for (the turn off while charging would actually be an advantage for this one project).
Jehu, two questions. 1) how is the programed Controller coming along 2) I just got my 6X pack of Mh1's without the plugs, could you send them (plugs) with the purchase of 2 Controllers, or give use another possible fix. Much appreciated.
QuestionN where can I find the module to unlock ? can I buy arduino on your site ?
So you're gonna sell the packs un-cut now?
He said they got them that way in the beginning of the video
Aw yeah, I was waiting for this! How about using a lot of these packs for a large EV conversion?
@@Qwiv Yea so?
Just because someone did it before, this video has no purpose?
Get a life instead of spamming youtube comments.
Qwiv why didn’t he share that?
@@Qwiv Is there a source? I'd like to check that out too.
That is a good idea!! Les build more hack
Would I be able to charge these by just feeding power from my BoostedBoard's wall charger? It's a 54V supply I think. ie, is charging these packs just that simple with the BMS operating?
NICE!!
Do you have any infos about a battery i found magnet fishing, there's an lcd screen showing up when i touch the light sensor,, and there is 14 pins.I think it is for an es400 scooter...
Very Interesting, thats the conzept of most Rental vehicel batteries . Did you publish the code for the STM32 pen source ?
Ordered 3 a week ago, but all the plugs were cut. Could you drop a full pinout for the connectors? I see the one for the CAN/BMS in the vid.
hi, i have a hy-rdf-s1004um-mh1 battery, and it gives me an output voltage of 180v. It has a sticker that says OTA with Anti-Theft. Is it possible to make it work with its original voltage? do you have to do a bms bypass ??? Thank you.
Never thought someone who saved my life in the early DSLR rig days would wind up doing the same for e-bike batteries. Any chance the CAN controller will be back in stock sometime soon, Jehu? I've got seven that I'd like to run - and an 8th that's mysteriously unlocked, but only when connected to their original Eagotech controller.
When will the controllers become available?
I love what you do ❤️
even pee ?
This is good work but what about those of us that purchased the packs without any connectors. Could you post a very detailed video on how to connect the third party BMS, load and charge connectors. I am trying to build a small modular Powerwall that can grow as I gain experience and understanding and I'm using the scooter batteries for ease of use... And you sir seem to be the DIY Powerwall guru. When Jehu speaks the Powerwall world listens!
I already did czcams.com/video/zBUSKtCw_kA/video.html
STM 32 microcontroller 😀😀. It is going to be interesting.
@DIY Projects Of course there is many resources and examples on that, but it is just interesting how it will work out in the end. And especially how the code works. :)
Was able to decode a good bit of the BMS data via CAN bus such as voltage, current, temp, capacity, state of charge. My notes are here for anyone interested: github.com/jonans/jump_bms
Good Day Sir! I have a Yamaha Pas City Ebike, the battery died, I replaced all the li-ion batteries with new 18650s, I put everything back in place, but the battery indicators says error.
Hello; was you able to uncode more from the controller ?
Do you charge your battery from your discharge port bro ? Isn’t that bad
What's a good charger for these scooter batteries? Any recommendations?
U can charge them simply by any SMPS with voltage regulation.
Can this setup be a mod for the Bluetti battery backup video m build that you just sent out? I ordered the MH1's and should have them next week, thanks.
Yes
@@jehugarcia My MH1's have already been shipped by you. What else to I need as far as hardware use the battery's bms? and when will it be available from you? Many thanks, looking forward to start the deep dive into wealth of knowledge that you have.
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Thanks Alex !
who is alex?
@@chasthanhburns123 Alex figured out how to make these batteries usable.
@@OverUnity7734 any link or is it every Alex in the world?
@@chasthanhburns123 A quick peek at the comments suggests it is @Alexander1560
as they commented 3 years ago, "
Nice vid, told you that we should get our hands on these. :) . My coleague Mihai actually did the sniffing and the coding part, credits goes to him, I was just assistant on this one. As for the charge while dicharging problem, we discussed that you should try charging them on the load wires, the BMS should still cut off, we will also try it tomorrow.
Theoretically charging on the load wires should be possible, the ebikes with regenerative break will charge through the load wires as well. Only one way to find out." I feel sad that you do not have access to the comments to learn this on your own. Good luck in life, friend.
What is the email address I write to with questions about these packs ? I don't find an address at your website ?
What are the 6 small black wires opposite the red ones after removing bms. ??
Can I pick up the scooter battery packs you are selling local to you?
What is the voltage and amp hours of these packs?
36v, 12,800 mAh. Four 18650s parelleled the connected in series. Each 18650 in those packs has a capacity of 3200 mAh
Is this going to increase the price?
I like your Volkswagens...
Where can I get the little board?
what is the type?
Sir can you make a complete video on how to make a powerwall and how to charge it properly balance ?? and how to discharge ??
I have bought 12 of these packs and they all came with those connectors removed. What will be the process for those of us that would like to take advantage of this technique?
Same here. I have 10 of these packs. Probably going to have to solder that chip directly to where those plugs were hacked off.
I bought 2 , shoulda waited huh !!
Still a good deal 4 new packs
8.27.20 I thought that the wires had to be clipped in order to resell them for use in other projects? So now why are they showing up with the wire connectors? I have 9 (360 cells) of the packs which i took apart and put the cells on to 50 of the PCB boards along with 4 of the 3 piece BMS before the daly BMS showed up.
@@chucktrotter9699 most do not have the connectors watch the video again, splice and connect is the simplest way.
As I ripped off the bms strip I thought what if they find a way to re use BMs !!
Nah jehu wouldn't do that
#DOH
Lucky I only bought 2!!
My ebike allows charging while riding w portable Vt
And Can you chain these packs?
Charge multiple packs?
Yeah Don't hijack
Hi man!
I world like to do the same at my piace.
If i send you the details of my system,could you work out an adaptation of your minicomputer please?
So i would buy it from you.
Thanks a lot !
Regards
I would suspect that the CAN network on these is outputting state of charge, voltage, amps, temp, and/or other useful info because the original vehicle these were in probably had a dash or other display.
So you guys think this will be for the M365? Looks like a M365 battery???
It's not. But you can parallel it with oem pack.
Can you show where those cables connect to the board?
Once I get the boards available I’ll make a detailed video
Where can I find those Molex ML-XT plugs?
Amazon has them now.
It doesn't lock out because u can charge and drive off
The charge circuit cant handle use of battery while charging sos it locks out for safety
I wouldn't bother trying to charge and run at same time
Alternate the banks use and charge instead
Hey guys, here's the github with the source code to wakeup the battery: github.com/alex3dbros/LGH1ScooterPackPower
Thank you very much for sharing with us your great work Alex Gradea!
Hello
Can i usd a blue pill to wake up the bms With your code?
@@TannerTJV yes, should work. It needs to.send those messages through can
@@Alexander1560 thank for the answer, do u have to upload the code u posted ? Cuz we can't order anymore board but i got 10 batteries. Any tutorials ?
@@TannerTJV any tutorial?
I wish I could order from you and get shiping to Alberta Canada .
look into forwarding company you ship it to that address in us then they ship it to you.
Where I can order CAN programmed controller?
My battery did not come with cables - just little nubs where the wires were cut.
James G you'll need to solder to the wires to make the connections and you're done.
Christopher - thanks. I know that, but they are nubs about 1/16” long. Thanks for the reply.
How do i purchase packs ?
Guys I did the 3rd pin hack to TP6 and it works, here 3 quick short video that show (not as cool of @jehugarcia and Erik Meike's videos but hopefully useful)
The 3rd pin hack to TP6
Search for: "Scooter Battery 3rd pin hack - 40 LGMH1 18650 - Simple Hack to activate the BMS (ep 01)"
The BMS max discharge amps is 30:
Search for: "Scooter Battery 3rd pin hack - 40 LGMH1 18650 - Max Amp test (ep 02)"
The BMS does have low voltage disconnect at 29.5v:
Search for: "Scooter Battery 3rd pin hack - 40 LGMH1 18650 - BMS Low voltage disconnect test (ep 03)"
Thanks @Alex Ayala, @Erik Meike and @jehugarcia
3rd ping hack to TP6: czcams.com/video/fN_Nm12tmIY/video.html
Max discharge test: czcams.com/video/Mgiim81HbR0/video.html
Low voltage disconnect test: czcams.com/video/163SH_IeAvc/video.html
I'd buy a bunch of them if he could ship to EU
This is way over my head 🤦♂️ great info though 👍
Yeah
M
E too
Still waiting for an update on this
What is the peak discharge current for this pack?
This is 10s4p pack.
Using a homemade shunt and cheap multimeter (i.e. somewhat slow response) my pack shuts off if I pull around 25-28 amps. Restarts after about 10 secs by itself.
wish i can buy it and ship to my country..:)
CAN Controller Hack for Waking .Where to find?
❤❤ty
Anyone have any suggestions for using this to power an RV at 12V without breaking it down?
36v to 12v buck converter?
36v Inverter to 110V AC?
Why not just use 36v appliances?
@risoriano www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07L2RF826/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
So the question is, would it be more efficient to use the buck converter or an Inverter, all things being equal
@@joedockstader1347 I'd rather keep everything as stock as possible
7hrs... I might as well go to sleep. Its 4:18 am
What can you do for someone like me who bought it earlier and got clipped wires now your saying you can sell them as is that kinda sound like your ripping off those who bought them early
You can install a connector
All batteries have shipped without connectors, that’s how I got them
Wo bekomme ich den CAN Controller
Was macht man damit? Roller ohne Controller wieder nutzbar?
I know you will figure it all out.
If you want to wakeup the battery AND send its metrics (charge, current, voltage, ...) to your mobile phone : github.com/Ziss/CAN_ESP32_INR18650MH1
Sir I realy need for my dc fan and lights battery please sir help me with some batteries please 🙏🙏
I'd really would love to speak to Alex I have something that he could probably help me with.
wish i lived in the usa
Why not solder the components directly to the bms board and list them on the web cause each safety circuit needs a certain voltage to register it's safety being charged or used so locating the circuits on the board and adding the necessary resistor or other component and done no need to buy a CAN controller just trick the board but at a fraction of the cost and a lil more work but once someone does it and shares it freely it will spread and actually be helpful
I wish they had something like this in europe to :-( I see lots of cool stuff i cannot order because its not shipped to Europe.
Yeah it’s the same with me ebike Motors or Batteries are so expensive
esp32 forever ! cheapest, wifi included
Jehu, two questions. 1) how is the programed Controller coming along 2) I just got my 6X pack of Mh1's without the plugs, could you send them with 2 purchased Controllers, or give use another possible fix. Much appreciated.