Bumblebee's Cybertron Scene Sucks
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- čas přidán 14. 04. 2023
- Can you tell I've been re-watching the Transformers movies for Rise of the Beasts? AND Transformers Animated? AND Beast Wars?! Anyway, here's a video about why Bumblebee's Cybertron scene sucks and breaks the rest of the movie. In all honesty, PaperPlane really shouldn't be talking about this if he wants to stay in Hasbro's good books. It's not like they just sent him a $300 chair or anything! What a piece of work!
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In terms of fanservice, the Cybertron scene nails everything in that regard, and only in that regard. When you connect it to the movie, it basically makes Bumblebee's arc kinda laughable when you realize he pretty much becomes a dumbass child who doesn't really learn anything in the end; even though film acts like he does. The original opening gets the theme of the movie much clearer and makes Bumblebee's memory loss more understandable than what we eventually got.
The Cybertron scene completely ignored The Last Knight. I kinda do want an extended cut of the Bumblebee with the Cybertron scene and parts of the original opening included with the part where Bee arrived to Earth. In the original opening their was an error where Bumblebee removed the harpoon out of his chest and at the end of the original opening, Bee still had the harpoon in his chest and in the final cut where he got to the mountain like rocks which is a mine he removed the final cut that would have to stay the same as seen in the film. Everything else after original opening would still be the same. The only part of that original opening that needs to be ignored is the harpoon removal because we cannot see the harpoon removal twice.
@@austinmichael3086 BB is a reboot, of course, it ignored TLK.
HE LOST HIS MEMORY, of course, he acts like a child. He doesn't remember shit. What argument is this? You'd have to be in Kindergarten to make this argument.
Are you honestly telling me that no fan of Transformers has ever wanted to see the War on Cybertron? That scene nails more than just fanservice, it shows us something every fan has always wanted to see.
@@austinmichael3086 probably because tlk is a shit movie and the bay movies’ continuity is totally fucked lol
Shockwave thighs got me acting illogical
Why isn't this the top comment 😂
Please delete this, this makes me uncomfortable, thank you
Illogical as fk plz stay away from my thighs
And we haven't even mentioned his chest yet!
The Shockwavussy got me acting illogical
grow up stop jacking it to a 30 foot robots thighs
I feel like the scene where Bumblebee says that Mankind isn't worth saving should be shown, not told, I fully agree with this video.
funny anecdote: a friend of mine didn't want to go see this movie until they told him that bulkhead had a cameo in the cybertron scene.
(they lied)
Plane collecting the robo waifus/husbandos like the infinity stones:
- Fort Max
- Road Rage
- Shockwave Dumpy
I still very much love the scene but think its just weird how everyone treats the other Autobots and Decepticons who only appear for like 20 seconds as super important. Like reception to Wheeljack's design in Rise of the Beasts, whether one considers it as great or awful, is stuck to Wheeljack appearing in this movie for like a second.
I guess that's what happens when there's a five year gap between movies.
I think it's just that Wheeljack's G1 design is a pretty unique and genuinely cool design, and after the mess that was Q in DOTM, it was nice to see a version of the character fans recognize and isn't just unceremoniously killed off. ROTB's design is a little off-putting since the film seems to take place in the same universe as Bumblebee, and he's the character that changed the most compared to most of the other characters that appeared in both movies.
Honestly g1 wheeljacks design is just so good that any other looks silly. Rise of the beasts wheeljack looks more like outback and should have been him instead.
Oretty sure wheeljacks been around sonce the 80s amd not 20 seconds.
Its an afterthought which makes sense because they decided on it last minute. Even Peter Cullen’s voice isn’t great here because he had to dub over some other guy. As he said at TFcon. This scene seems more like a pitch for a different TF movie that people still want to see.
I feel like both scenes would've worked. The movie trying to establish Bumblebee as the scout for the autobots towards earth story. But the removal of Bumblebee's feelings about Earth just felt like a missing thread, because to me the story just felt like it was about an amnesia naive Bumblebee just chilling and finding earth cool through his adventure with Charlie.
It felt to me that Bumblebee did not have any biases at all and was just in the state of himself being a precious baby boi of an autobot after his memory got BRRRTZ. The Iron Giant scene is Bumblebee regaining his memories of what he can do/is supposed to do, but it kinda crosses over with his childish side so it kinda felt like Cybertron Bumblebee and Earth-style Bumblebee just combined their memories. There are like 3 different Bumblebee's in the movie to me XD
Are you suggesting an extended version of the film with both scenes?
@@austinmichael3086 It would make sense. The scenes don't really contradict each other XD If I'm remembering wrong, Bumblebee doesn't get his memory wiped before he got attacked by the decepticons.
The movie should've been. Bumblebee gets sent to Earth, he meets the military, tries to negotiate, nah, gets attacked by decepticons, and manages to escape but with his memories and voice broken, then the entire movie starts as usual.
Paperplane has mysteriously disappeared the next day.
the thing that annoys me most about the Cybertron scene is that it sets the expectation of the movie actually going into the cybertronian war aspect, which it does not. Like we have no idea why there is a war, who is fighting in it, what does each side want. All we know is "there is a war. the autobots whoever they are are losing". And i think a lot of people failed to notice this glaring negligence because they already know that the autobots and decepticonns are at war from other TF media they have watched. But thats not an excuse imo, as this is a new story and shouldn't gloss over important worldbuilding simply cuz some people know the basic gist somewhat already. So cutting this scene would probably have set less of an expectation for them to talk about the war further.
Seeing this video I do see why bb almost flopped. At the same time, I think the reasons why this scene was loved is purely because it was a small spark of actual hope that this franchise wouldn’t berate its audience, that just once something might be different.
I wouldn't necessarily say it's a bad scene. My problem is that it should have been a reveal at the end when bumblebee got his memory back. It could have been worked in to have the original opening and a slightly alter cyber tron scene. Like if he was injured getting her and lost a bit of memories then again by the soldiers making him the way he was when Charlie found him. Have him regain the memories in 2 steps too. He first got the memories of the soldiers hunting him down then Charlie helps him remember the rest by reminding him of the exact words Optimus said to him.
On the one hand, the Cyberton Scene is a great opening scene because it tells you the base information for Transformers. It shows you that the Autobots are about to lose the war, and Earth is their best shot at survival.
On the other hand, however, Paper Plane is right. The Cybertron scene is overhyped. The deleted scenes work so much better with the film than the Cybertron Scene. They give Bumblebee a proper arc setup and better motivation to fear/hate humans.
On the topic of Cyberverse - the art style is cool, but it has the same mid-tier writing as Earthspark and RiD 2015.
I think the scene would have worked if it came halfway through the movie, that way we get the emotional crux in the opening while also getting that huge spectacle as it’s revealed that this was the war Bumblebee came from. And yes, it absolutely was a late addition. Bumblebee was sorta put into this limbo state right before release where it needed to act as a believable prequel OR a reboot, because the studio still didn’t know what they wanted to do with it. Now we know that it’s a reboot since ROTB seems to be unrelated to the Bayverse (hopefully).
Godspeed to the comments on this video. 😭
One of the earliest concept arts for this film shows Bumblebee fighting in Vietnam, which is something that fits with what was established about the character in TLK and also would make a lot of sense with the original character arc for the film.
So you're probably in the right track assuming that a lot of thing had to be changed when the word to abandon ship and start a reboot was gave.
didn't knew bumblebee movie was a iron giant clone.
6:42 Counterpoint: Bumblebee’s victory in this movie is pretty large scale because he prevented, at least temporarily, all of the carnage we see on Cybertron from coming to earth.
More general counterpoint: You say that Bumblebee is all confident on Cybertron and then tries to talk the humans down, so he shouldn’t be scared of Charlie or all explosive with S7 during the Evil Iron Giant scene. I’d argue that he’s scared of Charlie at first probably because he’s just traumatized from the Blitzwing fight on top of being chased by the humans… and then for the angery scene, I think it’s moreso because he sees Charlie get hurt and goes overkill, as opposed to some sort of prime directive implied by the movie’s opening.
I get what you’re saying, and I can definitely respect your opinion. The scene really does nothing to fit in with Bee’s character arc through the movie. But… it’s like 2 minutes and it’s before the inciting incident of him losing his memory… I think for what it is, it’s fine.
Well like you said, his memory was gone. After his fight with Blitzwing, he basically has no idea what's going on, and during the rage moment, he regains his memory, it's literally just like the the Iron Giant. The reason why he's so hostile towards S7 is because they attacked him when he was trying to persuade them that he's not an enemy and afterwards, they joined the deceptions and kidnapped him to be tortured by Shatter and Dropkick. Grant it, they were being played by the deceptions, but Bee didn't know that, so it's justified that he's not exactly happy, and Charlie getting hurt was the straw that broke the camel's back.
@@kingbash6466 You both (King & Tim) have really good points & I agree, what you guys said is exactly what happened in the movie. & also, I really like the Cybertron scene, but the rest of the movie is still amazing, BBM is hands down the best TF live-action movie cuz the story is solid & it actually FEELS like a TF movie unlike alot of the Bayverse.
I have to gree, despite enjoying that opening scene, it has managed to overshadow a pretty good film. I've seen so many people saying that the movie is trash and that it's only saving grace is that opening scene... No wonder why the Michael Bay movies have been getting so much love during the last years, it raised a generation of babies whose critical thinking is based on how many explosions there are in a scene.
One of the reasons why the cgi in Rise Of The Beasts sucks is because ILM is not making the cgi
@Walex The cgi in Rise Of The Beasts is just fine lol. The trailer shown was just an early build of the movie.
@Designated Productions Yeah your right but the studio that doing the cgi is a new studio and i believe that ROTB is there first big thing they have done and i think there's more to it but i forgot
My guy the cgi isn't finished yet, by your logic the cgi for tf4 wasn't good period even though it was unfinished in the first trailers and finished by the time the movie came out
@@mmouse1301 not even close. Rotb's CGI is done by the Moving Picture Company who were founded in the 70s and also worked on the harry potter films, life of pi and several marvel and DC films.
About Shatter and Dropkick being random decepticons: did you know that they were based on toyline characters? Dropkick is obviously the pickup truck guy but Shatter was originally gonna be Fracture(the Crasher repaint of Mirage). This kind of explains why there are Gobots references in the movie (even though one of them is a cut scene). I find it so funny that Bumblebee is just fighting a random decepticon and a gobot on some random planet no one knows about.
One day I’ll go through the trouble of editing a Prequel cut for Bumblebee to see how it ends up tbh. As much as I love this movie, I’m curious as to how that’d affect the movie in general.
For bumblebee hot takes, I don't think it's all that much better than the other live action films. I say this as someone who enjoyed bumblebee in the theater so much I watched it 2 more times and even more once the blu-ray came out. After the spectacle of having a new direction that feels closer to what transformers should be I just think the movie doesn't do enough to justify its long run time and for a movie about bumblebee it feels like he's sidelined in favor of Charlie, its not inherently a bad thing but I feel the writing isnt good enough to keep me interested in Charlie's character or progression
Tldr; bumblebee is a character driven film but I feel like the writing just isn't good enough to make it's direction work. As mentioned in the video, all that focus on character and yet so many's favorite scenes are those with intense action.
Agree. Bumblebee is my least favourite Transformers film.
I think you're missing the point of the scene. It's supposed to overshadow the simple story of the film, the whole point was for Bumblebee to establish a base and stay hidden or else the looming threat of the mighty Deception army would find them. That's why the conflict between Bee, Dropkick and Shatter is so important because if he fails then the Deception army will know where the Autobots are heading - then it's game over. It sets the stakes right at the start and shows you why Bee is there, why the film is taking place at all.
Also Bee's death-mode towards the end happens just before he gets his memory back, not after. I always assumed it was an evolutionary defense mechanism that activated involuntarily. Basically his body reacting to the memory reboot about to take place - and if it goes wrong he could lose his memory and be defenceless and maybe even suffer more damage. Yes he wanted to protect Charlie, but the circumstances lead to an inate response that he - at that very specific moment in time - wasn't able to control because a core system was being rebooted. The fact there was a threat there (the military) was an unfortunate coincidence. He didn't mean to kill or hurt anyone, it wasn't actually him at that moment in time. That was my take on that scene anyway, why else would his eyes suddenly glow red if not because he was about to finish the reboot cycle?
My theory is backed by the scene just before he escapes the garage and is looking through the dog-flap in the door. His battlemask activates involuntarily and he is surprised and confused as to what's happening - at that moment it was his body reacting, not him. It was out of his control.
"forget everything you know about Transformers while watching this movie"
THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS PEOPLE HATE THIS MOVIE. If you replaced every Transformers aspect of the movie with original characters it would be the same exact movie. The way the movie's story was written had no reason to be about Transformers. And that is also the main reason why people liked the Cybertron scene more than anything else in the movie because it was was the only thing that distinguishes it as a Transformers media. I am so goddamn tiered of this franchise being embarrassed to be what it is and people praising it for that.
The only bad thing the Cybertron scene did was giving us false hope into thinking we were about to watch a movie about Transformers lol
The Cybertron scene did more harm for the community than good. Everyone wants G1 accuracy and nothing else
I’m surprised no one else has brought this up. The cybertron scene basically solidified the franchise obsession with being g1 accurate above all else.
I'm not a "genwunner" type of dude, but I think for the live-action part of the franchise, it's fine. I mean after 5 films with Bayformers' controversial design choices (especially after TLK), having Bumblebee cater to G1 fans isn't the worst thing ever to me as someone who's was more nostalgic towards stuff like those first 3 films, Animated, and Prime.
I don't think that's necessarily the scenes fault, I mean for the people who do love those G1 iconic designs I'm sure it was awesome to see them again especially after a lot of hit and miss designs with the Bayformers, I mean just because something is different doesn't make it good, Geewunners are the ones we should be mad at, im not opposed to new designs but I want there to be some type of synergy through the designs so that I can identify the character with the design. Completely different designs only sometimes work anyway (namely Bay verse Bee and Animated Prowl)
@@No-ny3co Disagree with Bayverse Bee, but pretty much everything else I agree with.
What is wrong with people wanting that? Why is Hollywood so opposed to that.
I know this is an unpopular opinion but I'm not a big fan of the designs in the cybertron scene. Don't get me wrong the actual designs on their own are pretty cool they just don't fit in with the universe. And yes, before you ask I know Bumblebee's supposed to be a "reboot" and its a separate continuity to the Micheal Bay films but aside from optimuses design, the majority of the designs suffer from being too accurate to G1. Most of the designs just look goofy and out of place compared to shatter and dropkicks designs to the point where they don't even fit within the universe. As cool as the designs are, there's just no getting around the fact that most of the G1 designs don't translate well into live action. And It's also annoying seeing people moaning about the designs in rotb, when I personally think that they're a huge step up from the first knightverse movie. Like when the first trailer for rotb came out, there were literally people tantrumming because optimuses hands weren't blue 🤦♂️
I agree. On Cybertron the G1 designs are fine but if they are on Earth those designs would look kind of silly and not fit.
I disagree somewhat, i think designs like soundwave and some of the autbots wouldnt fit on earth, but this is cybertron, however desings like shockwave(argueble, but i think making him super g1 and flat would fit his alien personality) the seekers(the seekers as seen with blitzwing look amazing and fit) optimus prime all fit perfectlyon earth, and i think the main issue people have is that we just want elements of the charecters from bb in rotb, you give the new wheeljack the antenna, face mask and more subtle wings, no one, no one would complain about the design, you give mirage a little more flat surfaces and a more accurate head, then ye it would be fine, also dropkick and shatter have cybertron designs in the cliffjumper death scene that match the cybertron designs a lot better then the earth ones
@@sealco yeah good point but my problem is that most of the designs in the cybertron scene (aside from optimus and the seekers) just don't look very realistic. Sure they do look somewhat robotic, but when compared to Dropkick, Shatter, Blitzwing, and Bumblebee's designs they just don't fit within the universe. The designs just clash with each over to the point where they look like they're from completely different continuities, aside from the fact that they're both live action. For example, while soundwave and shockwaves designs are very impressive, they just aren't detailed enough and look more like mcdonalds toys more than giant advanced alien robots billions of miles through the galaxy. In *MY* opinion, the 2007 film tie in comics did it best where the transformers designs actually look *alien*. As flawed as the Michael Bay movies are, there's genuinely a lot to love about them.
The reason why the 2007 designs where so iconic was because they genuinely looked realistic (as realistic as giant alien robots that turn into cars can get). The problem is that despite the Bumblebee designs looking very impressive and well made, there just isn't enough mechanical detail to make them look realistic,
And the G1-ish designs just don't fit in with the real world. And in the Michael Bay movies, made cybertron look very realistic. Instead of being some colorful neon metropolis with loads of flashy lights and shiny futuristic buildings, it was very dull and grey to the point where it felt truly *alien* and grounded in reality and actually felt like a place torn apart by the horrors of war. My point is that the G1 inspired designs while very cool looking, just don't fit in live action and generally don't look very realistic.
@@Dingle-God1987 i can see where your coming from, the only thing i strongly disagree with is cybertron, instead of hexagons it looks cities and levels, you can see the infastructure
I feel like it'd be cool if they kept the original opening, then as Bumblebee's memories came back they showed bits and pieces of the Cybertron scene like what they did with Optimus Prime's speech.
The Deleted Scenes were actually quite fitting to ROTB where Bee alrd gone through the character Arc and now it’s Optimus Turn.
I still think the scene is fun, but I think it could have been better structured if they played up the Iron Giant aspect, by having it play in the middle, like that deleted scene where the Giant dreams about his backstory and true purpose. That way, it makes Bumblebee's arc feel more natural and engaging.
I agree, but why the hell are you so fixated on Shockwaves thighs? 💀💀😭😭
Great video! It's good to hear you talk in depth about the movie and its main theme. Funny video too.
I agree with all your points too! In fact, I'm going to ignore that I wanted to make almost the same exact video for a while, down to the deleted scene, the tonal disconnect, how it affects Bumblebee's arc, and the fan reaction... ah well, you snooze you lose. I'm actually glad you talked about fan reaction to the Cybertron scene, because it annoys me when this is all people bring up. When I saw that favorite moment, I instantly knew what video you were gonna make, haha.
My personal favorite moment is when Bumblebee says "Thank you so much for giving me my voice."
Hey it's not April Fools anymore
In all seriousness, you make some good arguments, and I think I even agree to an extent, though I still really like the scene.
It would've been cool if they somehow fit the cybertron scene was the intro and then the cut scene of bumblebee saying mankind isn't worth saving
For me, the Cybertron scene proved that it's possible to make a movie on Cybertron with modified G1 designs, basically High Moon games, but a movie + Tf Prime prequel books lore, so decepticons aren't bad guys nor the autobots are good guys, it's more complicated than good and evil, everything I ever wanted, so idk what's taking them so long, the only excuse is probably budget.
Its a fanservice scene with an idea of what happened in cybertron before earth, too coreographed tho
😮😮😮....I don't believe it, this has to be a dream.... finally someone with the same opinion as me about the opening scene of Bumblebee. In my opinion it (the Cybertron scene) seemed more like a video game cut scene than a part of the movie.
Comments have been merciful on PaperPlane. If his long upload schedule gets any worse, then we know they were plotting in the shadows.
Edit: Shockwave boob.
The Cybertron scene and Decepticons are the only things I like about this movie at all. That being said I can understand how it feels out of place compared to a lot of it.....which yeah, I would rather watch a movie like that than a "comfy" Transformers movie about Bee being le cutesy wutesy boi. Nothing against cute movies, that's just not what I come to Transformers for. Also the movie had the same problem all the live action movies have, following some cliche human drama storyline instead of the robots, a trend we'll never see go away apparently.
In my opinion, changed opening scene does not undo Bee's arc.. cuz the basis for your argument is that there was a disconnect between the iron giant scene and the rest of the movie because unlike the original cut, bee wasn't angry at humans from the get go, but the thing is, that scene still works in context, cuz he'd still faced BUTTLOADS of trauma at the hands of the humans throughout the movie enough to warrant that reaction from him when they attack him and hurt charlie. Like he told them "i don't want to hurt anyone", but he still gets shot at, electrocuted, tortured, and the humans also sicced a pair of cons on him and hurt his friend. There is still enough there for the rampage to work in context. And him being cautious of charlie still makes sense considering the prior trauma. And I personally really don't see how the movie is about bee learning to trust and care for humans as he really doesn't engage with them on a broader level outside of like 3 individuals. Like the story is about bumblebee and charlie growing together. And yes, part of bee's journey is to trust humans, but i don't see the redemption of mankind as a collective as something the movie was ever interested in engaging in.
Yeah, that does make sense. To add to that, I think the point wasn't just, "Oh, Bumblebee doesn't trust those meatsacks called humans." He's acting out against the group that attacked and kidnapped him, and are the same people who are hurting Charlie, his one and only friend on Earth. However, Charlie leads him back to his senses because he shouldn't mindlessly destroy the military out of vengeance because while their methods weren't entirely ethical, they're not soulless monsters either and that there's bigger problems to worry about.
@@kingbash6466 i agree.
honestly, the cybertron scene would work better as a standalone short (or it's own movie *cough* 2024 movie *cough*)
I think Cyberton depicted in Dark Of The Moon was perfect, it kept this world mysterious and limited to one's imagination how VAST and ALIEN and ANCIENT this world was. No cars, no recognizable characters, all strange and ethereal. This is how you Live Action, meaning Real-World scenario. I still remembered my dad and I was excited after watching The Last Knight, we never even knew the Bumblebee movie was a thing and we saw no trailer we just stumbled upon it, but we were not only confused on why the film wasnt about Bee killing Nazis, it was just really off. We have like no other expirience with Transformers and seeing that opening legit felt like a knock-off, despite being "fan service" and "close to original designs".
The original opening scene was for the original cut where it was for the bayverse before it was a reboot
I respect your opinion as i like both the cybertron scene and the rest of the movie and the fact it (was) a reboot was refreshing (though i hate the fact they removed the bumblebee voice again)
Travis knight did have more planned but paramount basic kept forcing his hand
Great video as always, PaperPlane! It's a shame the rest of the movie is overshadowed by those 3 minutes on Cybertron; yeah it's great, but it's too bad that not too many people talk about the rest of the movie. (There are though, of course!) You also bring up really good points regarding how the Cybertron scene affects the writing and establishment of the movie's tone.
Also, thank you for using my music for the end!! So this was the video you were talking about ... 😄😄
Again, great video!! I love Bumblebee even without the Cybertron scene; the humans are great and the villains are awesome. I love how neat and cohesive it is compared to the previous films.
_Also now I can't unsee Optimus' clipping arm._
IMO the movie as a whole is really good, the story is really solid, the Cybertron scene doesn't really do much harm for the rest of the movie, & it MAYBE could've been SLIGHTLY better incorporated into the film, but its still really solid. BBM was hands down the BEST TF live-action movie cuz it actually feels like a TF movie/story & ofc it has a great story, characters, character designs, & etc. Tim Primetal explains what I'm talking about really well, read his comment & thread.
After watching this video I feel like the cybertron scene would have worked better in the cybertron prequel movie where we end with seeing shockwaves thig- I mean see bumblebee being sent to earth, yeah that.
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Funny enough, I thought it was the only good part of the movie. But you’re right, it’s completely disjointed. Cut the rest of the movie, make an entire movie about that Cybertron scene, that’s the only way it would be good.
Honestly the cybertron scene should have happened in the middle or something, when Bumblebee found the message from Optimus? Idk
Bumblebee honestly alienated me as a Bayverse fan, and the Cybertron scene has honestly ruined the entire way that we discuss these live-action films. Certain people got what they want; they got their "G1 accuracy" but that has led to this expectation, this entitlement. The response to ROTB so far and especially Wheeljack is literally solely comparing these designs that were created utterly last minute and honestly lack personality asides "this looks like what you grew up with" to what are honestly legitimate fully realized character designs. Wheeljack being a 90s nerd with big glasses tells me he's the smart guy, he's our engineer; Wheeljack being a RTX-on HD remaster of his G1 design tells me nothing about him.
I think the Cybertron scenes should've been swapped out for a mid-Act 1 scene of Shatter and Dropkick just battering Cliffjumper until they get bored and they go look for bee cheers
i dont think the cybertron scene was the best scene in the movie. it just made us thirsty for more g1 style live action transformers content
You’re not a real transformer fan
ME LIKE SEE BIG ROBOTS AND BIGGER EXPLOSONS, ESPWECIALY WHEN HIMTONY PRIME IS DA ONE DOIN IT!
(interesting vid btw)
Yeah I'd love this movie still if the scene wasn't in it but I feel like they kinda needed it because the bay films disapointed me and alot of people the heart and character in the bee movie and the amazing spectical and desgins of the cybertron scene made me realize we are finally getting rid of stutter la boof which I personally am really happy but I understand your frustration the cybertron scene is godtier but the rest of the movie is amazing too(sorry for ranting)
Also expanding on the videos point(maybe it'll be covered in the next video) is I feel the the latter half of the cybertron scene ruins the scene with Charlie and bumblebee in the woods. The two takeaways of the scene are supposed to be:
1. Bumblebee and charlie being concered/scared as they realize how little they know about bee as they hear the message of him being part of a war
2. It introduces bumblebee's broken radio which the film uses as a metaphor for bee himself and ultimately helps him to realize that humans can good as Charlie helps fix him....
Unfortunately this character moment that I felt might be the best in film is ultimately drowned out, but the bombastic optimus fight scene that the final cut made the central focus of the scene.
Just a thing. I agree with you on Bumblebee being a great film. Besides critics loved it. My theory is the cybertron scene was added in is because, look we already know that the main story was focused on Bumblebee and Charlie Watson. We also know that the film was originally set before the 2007 film. I agree with the fact that the film is about overcoming trauma. The Cybertron scene was in my theory there to ignore The Last Knight. It wouldn't make sense for Bumblebee to go back to Cybertron after World War II and come to earth like nothing happened. The cybertron is no way a bad scene in which I would disagree with you on it has potential on a prequel to Bumblebee. I think about stories that could connect to both Bumblebee and Rise of the Beasts in which they are technically prequels to the 2007 film but they added that cybertron scene was because The Transformers movie franchise was in a gamble of either making Transformers 7 a reboot or not.
Bumblebee the movie kind of confuses me. I would say that I do enjoy the Cybertron sequence, but I think PaperPlane's critique is certainly valid. The issue I have with it though is that my takeaway from Bumblebee is not That Charlie and Bee helped each other through their traumas, rather that Bumblebee just seemed to help Charlie through hers. Bumblebee is scared for no other reason other than that he has no memories. Just imagine how much more interesting that dynamic could have been if Bumble still had his memories and was both frightened about what the Decepticons could do to the good-natured humans, while still being enraged at the humans trying to kill them despite him working in their benefit. That way Charlie would have a stronger dynamic with him, but that scene where he loses his temper would still make sense. (also, on a side note, what does the plot gain at all from Bumblebee losing his memories? The movie doesn't even seem to know, since it stem really randomly from an injury...in his *chest*.)
Essentially, I don't think the Cybertron scene really helps or harms the film, because even if it takes the focus off Bumblebee's arc, he has very little in the film anyhow, it's all carried by Charlie.
“The big scary Canadian man”
honestly i suprisingly do agree with this videos statement. The opening Cybetron scene does indeed feel extremly out of place in movie despite how delightful it is to fans it still was a wierd decision
Yuh oh paperplane back with his hottakes
Honestly you pointing it out made me realize something, watching that original opening made re-watching the movie strange for me but I couldn't put my finger on it, but now that you point it out it pretty nice getting that closure.
(and I agree on what you're saying, it kinda fucked the endgame of the movie but still is a good movie ether way)
The movie would've been narratively stronger without the Cybertron scene, BUT, Counterpoint: I don't care about the rest of the movie at all and only remember this scene, so I'm glad they went with this.
Same, I would've forgotten the movie if it didn't have this scene.
I love the Cybertron scene, but I do think the original opening was better
I think it should’ve been in the middle when we get the Optimus hologram bit, that would keep the awesome action scene, set up the grander conflict, but not interfere with the core storyline all that much
I would still enjoy the moive without the cybertron scene, but the cybertron scene is still amazing, maybe it should have been a flashback but i think the film still works
TFI HAS THE SANE OPIONIN AND NOW I REALISE THIS,I was blinded by nostalgia
As an opening? Yeah it doesn't work, makes the rest of the film feel small in comparison like in God of War 3 where you fight the Gods only to go back to level 1... I don't remember the movie much but if Bee did have an amnesia. Maybe when he gets his memories back then show the cybertron scene.
Hey paper plane, can you do a video request? My request is that you make a video about where to start with transformers if you want to get into it. Like which show should you watch first? And if you want to see the movies which one to begin with? Think you could do something like that?
I didnt know that there was another intro for this movie very good video
This scene, alongside WB reducing superman to nothing but cameos, is what made me sick of being teased what I want instead of just giving me it
I agree so much with this video
People like to d ride this scene as saying it’s “fan service” but it’s only the most soulless piece of shitty fan service so people that get bored with an actual story don’t quit the movie
Btw, Travis Knight doesn’t get the franchise a single bit better than micheal bay, anything he ever did is much better than mistreating Peter Cullen wich WAS Travis fault
No, it did do the movie justice. You just wanna find a reason to bitch
This makes me wonder, with the Bumblebee prime having studio series figure and planning on remolding his parts to the ROTB design, are they just gonna do that for each film-?
Feel like it get uninteresting after a while and have to go though more design changes, maybe he'd turn into the old 2007 cab with the g1 deco and have it be a mesh between the bay and travis designs like bumblebee
4:37 I still don't get how people don't realize that ROTB's cgi isn't finished yet
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I mean, I don't want to judge the effects outright, but considering when you compare it to Bumblebee's first trailer, which still looks good to this day, I'm a little concerned for the quality control of ROTB. Hoping the second trailer proves me wrong though.
@@kingbash6466 I'm hoping too
I feel like we should get the original opening and a longer cybertron scene when primes hologram appeared
They Should Have a Short Film About Optimus Prime Surviving On Cybertron for 30 Minutes
On its own I love it but with the way it’s in the movie it’s not good because it doesn’t make sense for a movie about a robot lost memory to see what the secret is and what it’s about. It better if it was like when prime messaged is played is when we see it or maybe just use it when he remembered everything the mission and all. Narrative wise it be better that we don’t know yet until he remembers,find out what he’s here, and who he is .Its like the black panther beginning the secret is out so the reveal is just meh and not that impactful still love the scene just wished it was placed somewhere else and not the beginning of the movie 😅
Okay your right. shockwave's legs are *T* *H* *I* *C* *C* as Majesta from Miraculous. Yeah I said it.
I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS
Very nice analysis and points you brought up! I didn’t even know about the home release movie version. Thank you for sharing
Video as funny as ever too and I see Shockwave boob foreshadowing
Although I disagree, it still would have been cool to see that alternate intro
*Badass DOTM Cybertron scene > gay ass G1 fanservice Cybertron scene*
You may "like" shockwave, but...
Have you seen IDW drift
Just watched bumblebee for ROTB and I was just jarred by how fast the beginning is and it feels really phoned in.
Hottest take in here is pretending Cyberverse was good.
what happens if i say i like cyberverse?
Honestly the last season of cyberverse was pretty good
@@Squishyk9
You mean when the writers whittled the cast down and pretended they’d be more character driven, then never bothered and basically undid it by the end of the Quintesson arc?
My favorite scene was when Bumblebee and Optimus drive away on the golden gate bridge. I really agree with this video and whilst I like the Cybertron scene it feels odd however.
Keep yourself safe
Maybe it would've been better if the original opening was used and the Cybertron scene would be a flashback when bumblebee regains his memories
Gotta be honest with you here, this is a bad take, like if you think the cybertron scene is bad, then you don’t understand the franchise ig, but it does overshadow the rest of the movie, I’ll agree with you there, however it’s literally a massive war on an alien planet whereas the rest of the movie is one autobot versus 2 decepticons like ofc it was gonna overshadow the rest
it probably wasn't a mandate to show its a reboot, and was instead mandated to sell more toys like the studio soundwave & b127
Thank you! Ive been saying this for years now. Its great eye candy, but story-wise it just makes no sense. People try saying Bumblebee only did terribly because of "Transformers fatigue" but in 2018, there were still about 3 marvel movies coming out in the same year and those were still doing significantly better than Bumblebee did. Outside of the designs, Bumblebee wasnt even faithful to anything in G1; hell, DOTM was directly inspired by an episode in season 1, yet Bee felt more like an Iron Giant adaptation. I genuinely think 2007 and DOTM are better movies. Bee made so many mistakes that are completely ignored just because "G1".
Bumblebee saved Transformers and that's why we're getting Rise of the Beasts. The director of Bumblebee, Travis Knight turned out to be a G1 fan unlike Bay. Bumblebee has a 91% certified fresh rating on rotten tomatoes with a 74% audience score. While the 2007 movie has a 58% rating on rotten tomatoes with a 85% audience score. Revenge of the Fallen has a 20% rating rotten tomatoes with a 57% audience score. Dark of the Moon has a 35% rating on rotten tomatoes with a 55% audience score. Age of Extinction got a 17% rating on rotten tomatoes with a 50% audience score. The Last Knight has a 16% rating on rotten tomatoes with a 43% audience score. Transformers fatigue is the reason why Bumblebee didn't do well at the box office and being released alongside Aquaman didn't make it better for Bumblebee. Bumblebee would have done a lot better at the box office if we didn't get Age of Extinction nor The Last Knight.
@Austin Michael A good rating score means nothing if the movie isn't profitable. It doesn't matter if "fans" think its good, no one went to watch Bumblebee. If anything, Bumblebee completely reduced interest in the franchise. Marvel was releasing multiple movies a year from 2013 - 2019, and yet nothing did as poorly as Bumblebee. The "fatigue" is just a poor excuse.
@@kinjapleb4228 it was solidly protiable. You hated Bumblebee didn't you?
@@austinmichael3086 I don't like Bumblebee as a movie. It has good pieces, but I'm tired of people pretending it was some sort of masterpiece. Also, slightly profitable means nothing when it's a major franchise . That's why Travis Knight was replaced despite him saying he wanted to return.
@@kinjapleb4228 Steven Caple Jr. is continuing what Travis Knight started. If it wasn't for Bumblebee, Rise of the Beasts wouldn't be possible.
I’m in love with the fact that when you said the cybertron scene sucked and showed Wheeljack immediately. I love this. It’s a perfect video.
After a few months to think about it, I've finally come to a conclusion on how I feel.
I. LOVE. The Cybertron scene... But I don't like the sacrifice that was made for it. Bumblebee, to me as a character, deserves more respect and a proper well done character arc. If you're gonna make him the poster boy, why not!? And the thought of Bumblebee HATING HUMANS makes my "character development alarm" go off. The Autobot who is usually the human loving protagonist is now against them. YES. But in what we got Bee is mainly used to help Charlie reconnect herself to the person she once was. Before her dad died. But Bumblebee? Naw he's fine. No emotional trauma for him. He just reunites with Autobots and he's fine by the end of it.
I hear a lot of people say that the reason the original opening was cut, was because the original opening was ment to tie in to bayverse and how Bumblebee was still on Earth after WW2 and while I can believe that, I don't think that's a valid reason to cut the scene. You can still have Bumblebee crash on Earth and get chased by the humans. No harm done... well except for Bee. He still gets dropped off a cliff probably.
I still love the Bumblebee movie to this day. Heck I'd even say I love it more than Rise of the Beasts. But Bumblebee deserves more respect than just made to sell toys and have no real thorough character arc.
Why, you little contrarian...
I'm conflicted. Like I feel like the Cybertron scene helps further establish that Cybertron exist and that there's war. It shows more Autobots in the war than Bumblebee and Optimus, which helps us feel for the Autobots a bit, because showing is better than telling. BUT you are right in saying that it really doesn't connect to the overall theme, and that Bumblebee has no reason to hate the humans (apart from attacking him at the beginning of the movie, working with the Decepticons, capturing him and hurting Charlie in the process, letting two Decepticons interrogate him and eventually kill him, trying to kill Bumblebee themselves, and then hurting Charlie again).
But yeah the original opening might've been better.
Cybertron scene would’ve been 1000x better if they had Bernice from South Beach Tow fighting with the Autobots. She’s the real hero that we needed to save that scene.
How would you done it then
Bubblebee
Do a video about: The Troubled production of Transformers Super Link/Energon.
Paper Plane is simping for Shockwave of the Bumblebee movie. 😏
As someone who feels that Cybertron scene was one of the best things to come out not only from bumblebee but from live action movies in general, I feel rather attacked by this XD
3:00 Are you serious? This guy cannot possibly be that stupid. He honestly doesn't know why Bumblebee freaks out in that scene? Dude, he watched his human friend get hurt. That crossed a line. You can't possibly be that naïve. I hope to God if your friend, girlfriend, or someone you care about a whole lot gets harmed, that you react the same way he did otherwise, your humanity is long dead.
The Cybertron scene was not added by the studio, it was added by Knight at the last second because he didn't want the connections to Bayformers. He wanted this movie to be different enough that the general audience can watch it and understand the Transformers without having seen the other movies.
The Cybertron scene is not only fan service, because literally any fan on Earth wants to see that, but it also distances this movie from the Bayformers universe. Knight said in interviews that he wants this movie to be watchable for the general audience who did not watch the Bay movies. And what better way to do that, than to have the start be on Cybertron so the audience knows who and where Bee came from, and also it distances its connections to Bayformers.
Even if the Cybertron scene was not in it, the fact we got a coherent plot, characters that are likable, not useless, and the main villains are actually characters, then YES. Of course, people will love it, but the Cybertron scene is something fans have wanted to see since 2007, so of course it's talked about the most. I bet money that if all the Bay films had a Cybertron scene similar to this, then people would talk less about the Cybertron scene in Bumblebee because we would have seen it before. But we didn't, so no kidding it's talked about the most.
He goes Iron Giant in the end out of anger for John Cena slamming Charlie, he didn't trust Charlie initially because she's foreign to him. He didn't remember his fight with S7 at that point. How did you watch this movie and come up with these ridiculous questions says a lot about your critical thinking skills.
He gets why it happened he just feels like it doesn't have the weight it needs with the cybertron opening. With the original opening Bee already has this distrust with humans as he was on earth for a long time and meeting Charlie gives him faith in humanity, so when Charlie gets attacked the rage mode has more weight to it.
@@8ball180 those are excellent points, I’ll give you that. But I don’t believe the inclusion of the Cybertron scene harms that concept. There are still a lot of scenes in the final movie that shows Bee not fully trusting the humans until he met Charlie.
2:44 also what's with the Max Payne soundtrack