I-Team: Liens placed on more than 90K Georgia vehicles because of school zone speeding tickets
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- čas přidán 2. 05. 2024
- By Johnny Edwards
Published May 2, 2024
ATLANTA - As more and more speed cameras go up in school zones, tens of thousands of Georgia vehicles have been blocked from renewing car tag registrations because of unpaid fines, the FOX 5 I-Team has learned.
It can make for an unwelcome birthday surprise, and another headache caused by the controversial automated cameras which clock and photograph license plates of vehicles speeding in school zones. Under the 2018 state law that legalized the ticketing systems, anyone who fails to pay can't renew their vehicle registration until they settle up.
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Speed cameras are about revenue generation and never about safety.
Maybe not build schools along "unsafe" highways ?
@@matt9c1 public schools nowadays are pretty much useless, unless you want your kids to learn how to change their gender
End result is the same
Speed cameras work! I actually laugh when I see speeders slowing down ahead of speed cameras of which they have become aware. You know what is very easy? Don't speed! Don't break the law! Then crybabies won't have to whine about consequences.
@@santosakowski9846 Oh yeah, slow down, drive past the camera, speed back up. Works great huh?
In the UK, destroying the cameras became quite the sport.
I'm not shocked at all that people who intentionally make the roads less safe by violating the rules of the road, and wish to be able to get away with it, also break criminal statutes by vandalizing public property. 🤣🤣🤣
One man’s protest is another man’s vandalism.
Seriously though, i think the problem with the cameras is that the speed limits are often set inappropriately low, and it doesn’t matter until its start getting enforced. If people believed that the limits were appropriate, and that they would never be set inappropriately low just to increase camera revenues, it might be different.
Most people are simply unaware of all the deadly shenanigans that were played with red light cameras in the USA, so they have the reaction you do, but it’s a disgusting fact that lives were endangered and likely lost when intersections were re-engineered to increase violations. After that practice got documented and the lawsuits started, the companies and jurisdictions mostly stopped dangerous alterations and turned to stripe changes and right turn on red shenanigans to pad the budgets and bottom lines.
I don't know about in the UK but when a few people violate a law its a problem with the person but when you can prove that the average highway speed in America is between 75-85 and yet still have speed limits of 65 or even as low as 45 on multi lane interstate highways combined with the fact that more than 50% of the population disregards this inappropriate signage you no longer have a crime but rather widespread acts of civil disobedience indicating a fundamental problem with the laws themselves and a need to change them. Now school zones are special cases but generally if speed limits are set so low as to CAUSE traffic problems its no wonder people disregard them. So basically in order to make people take speed limits seriously you need to make the speed limit reasonable and base it on average speeds of a road rather than arbitrary numbers. Optimally speed limits should use digital signage that can be adjusted based on road conditions to allow for increased speeds in clear weather with low traffic.
@@mikeloeven Your theory is flawed because the rate of enforcement against speeding violations is so low, below 1%. People aren't "civilly disobeying" because they have a deeply held opinion, backed by data, that speed limits are too low and it is perfectly safe to speed.
The people who "civilly disobey" do so because the probability that they'll be given a ticket for any instance of speeding is far below 1%, especially if they're not speeding at least 15mph above the posted limit. In Georgia, it is written into law that local police and county sheriff/deputies using radar cannot give a ticket for speeding less than 11mph above the limit. This is the same for these autonomous camera/radar signs in school zones. That built in buffer essentially encourages drivers to speed, and shocker, a significant % do. Taken a step further, Georgia law states that a driver will not receive points on their license for speeding less than 15mph above the limit, and even then, it's only 2 points for 15-18mph over; 3 points for 19-23mph over; 4 points for 24-33mph over; and 6 points for 33mph over; a driver can receive 15 points in a 24 month period.
All of that to say, imagine applying such degrees of permissiveness to any number of other violations/crimes, and then suggesting that because more people are doing it (because the likelihood they face consequences is low), the law should be softened. It's just nonsense. I'd buy into your theory if the rate of enforcement was nearer to 100 than 0%, fines/license points/suspensions were given out, and a majority of drivers were still choosing to speed. THEN, you'd have a point. And I think you know this too, because you highlight school zones as a special case. Why is a school zone worthy of enforcement, but the rest of the roadways not? Kids walk on sidewalks and cross streets outside of school zones too. Not to mention adults... and wildlife. People need to drive the speed limit, and if they don't, they should face consequences. Thank goodness these cameras are making speeders cry.
45k passed away due to crashes in 2022 in the USA; 13k of these were attributed to speeding. Literally millions of injuries from crashes, hundreds upon hundreds of thousands due to speeding. It is not victimless and we who do not drive like maniacs do NOT accept the additional rate of risk brought into the equation by those who refuse to follow the rules of the road.
They have all that money to buy "public property" with "public money" while also sending money to foreign countries that hate us.
I'm not a genius but $80 ticket times 90,000 vehicles is equal to $7.2 MILLION in just fines alone. That's wild!
30% goes to the camera manufacture.... That pumps money into political campaigns... To deploy more cameras... For another 30%....
There's no shortage of "not geniuses" that continue to speed and get these tickets. Too bad, so sad.
What’s more amazing is there are 90,000 people speeding in a school zone.
@@michaelminga4035
😂😂
And they are entirely unconstitutional. You have the constitutional right to cross examine your accuser in court. Have yet to hear a case where you challenge the ticket and they bring the camera in and it answers questions on cross examination.
It not about safety,it’s about easy money for the city!
Same thing in my state, they had a contract with a company that took pictures of people's license plates if they were 10 mph over in a construction zone. They had signs up that said "Speed Limit Photo Enforced" and people would slow down when they saw the enforcement vehicle. But starting this year, they no longer put the signs up but the enforcement vehicle is in work zones still. It was at that moment that I knew it wasn't about keeping workers safe, it was about money and only money.
Seems like it
What better way to generate revenue than to hold people's property hostage?
In Buffalo, NY the mayor did this. A citizen researched state law and determined that none of the privately - owned cameras were calibrated, and other legal issues. Th entire program was scrapped and some people received refunds.
Excellent.
It also happened in Union City, CA they did a study and they found out the cameras actually caused accidents due to sudden stops.
And now they have predatory parking enforcement to replace the lost revenue
@@Musicdudeyoutub In L.A., I received a parking ticket when I didn't violate any parking laws - they would chalk tires, then check for the chalk two hours later. I moved my car within two hours, but since there was chalk on the side of my tire, they ticketed me.
A friend of mine was ticketed for parking legally, apparently because the meter maid didn't read the sign correctly. Both my friend and I are lawyers, so it's not like we didn't understand the rules.
Challenging the illegal citations is such a pain in the butt that it's not even worth it.
@@myblacklab7 One thing in Buffalo is they have alternating sides street parking, 6-6. So at 6:01, the parking guy comes around and has tickets for days. Problem is, the judge would probably throw it out but there's no recourse without going to the courthouse
If mailing me the ticket counts as notifying me, then simply putting money in the mailbox counts as paying the ticket.
Amen! I get a ton of many of my neighbors' mail, and I fail to receive a lot of mail that I should receive, including many packages. I also frequently find important mail buried in huge newspaper-type advertisements that have been stuffed into my mailbox, etc. The USPS has become a completely unreliable (at best) government welfare program, yet the rest of the government still considers the USPS as some kind of guaranteed delivery? 😂😂😂
@reaxions
Yup complete trash work ethic all around
Georgia has turned into a complete circus
Why do you need to be notified? Do you really not know when you're breaking the school speed limit?
You're clearly brilliant.
@@demophys4883 Do you just mail the city or county money whenever you notice, oops I accidentally broke this traffic law?
How do you know what the fine is?
How do you know where to send the fine?
Not all of us are psychic and we require a notice of some kind.
It's a scam. They know they can get money without sending notification. There's no due process.
It’s a scam to take advantage of suckers and gave no why to defend it!
The more states and municipalities use automated enforcement this will get worse. Most of them are leased to the city and the fines are split. Try to get that straightened out. Should be banned permanently.
I agree - a permanent nationwide ban on speed and traffic light cameras is well-warranted.
These are already banned statewide in Texas. Thank god.
Don't forget that the camera's company gets a percentage of all revenue generated.
I wonder if all the citations were reviewed by an officer or were just mailed out.
It's a civil infraction, so no officer required. Hence the reason they made it a civil infraction.
Of course, driving without a properly-renewed tag *IS* a criminal infraction and *WILL* land you in jail, and land your car in an impound lot. But politicians can't look that far down the road -- their view is blocked by all that money coming in from the camera company.
In Georgia they get reviewed by an officer. The citation also includes a quite clear photo of the license plate.
@@williamjones4483 states claim that then issue tickets to parked cars or cars being towed
Not speeding fixes that issue.
@@ronbelanger4113Except when it's someone else driving your car, or they misread the tag, or the radar on the camera is giving erroneous readings.
I got a violation warning for “speeding on a work zone” in Philadelphia after getting on a busy freeway’s on ramp but I had not seen any highway work being done, no signs, no lights, no highway construction vehicles and absolutely no construction workers on the job nor walking around anywhere. It seams the equipment monitoring people’s speed was left there on it’s own, activated taking pictures of vehicles doing the normal legal speed limit as an active “work zone” issuing work zone violations to vehicles driving by, this is a serious violation, I’d never risk any highway workers life, I could tell work had been done though as I drove past the camera, It was on the far right off of the freeway almost out of sight. I got the warning in the mail, it stated since this is my first offense, it would be only a warning but a second offense would be a fine plus points off my DL. I wanted to call someone to find out what the story is and clear my name, but I had no proof, then a week later I got another letter from the city stating it had been dismissed, to disregard it and that my drivers license was cleared of any wrongdoing. I’m glad it worked out, someone did get to the bottom of it after all. I bought a front and back 4k dashcam for my SUV and already paid for itself, it got rear ended a few months later with 5k in damages, then some young punks took a sling shot to the back window at 2:30 am and ran off. Gotta luv Philly!!! Get a dash cam folks, you’ll be glad you did.
I know what you mean. Few years ago they put up a work zone and reduced speed limit sign on the interstate. 15 months later they finally started the widening project
In photo enforcement situations, points can't be applied to one's driver's license since only the vehicle (not the driver) is identified.
Can you please let us know what camera system you bought and how you like it? I'm frustrated with buying junk that just doesn't do what it's advertised to do. 😢
@@GeemailMailboxxTwo years ago I got a BlackVue DR900X-2CH Plus dual channel dashcam with an active LTE module which gives me 24 hours remote surveillance.. It was a bit expensive but I figured I’d give it a shot, it’s been mainly solid so far but not without some minor connectivity issues. I’m happy with it, I have it connected through two sets of portable camera batteries I rotate so I don’t use the SUV’s main battery. The front 4k Picture is crisp and detailed, the lower resolution rear HD video is not far behind in quality. I recommend this setup if you don’t mind spending that much money, BlackVue has a newer dashcam version now. I installed the setup myself so I saved a bit of money with installation. Hope this helps.
They didn't teach you about paragraphs in 3rd grade?
You by federal law have the right to face and question your accuser in court
For criminal offenses.
Works in that as well have used it
@@jimmanis6717 a speeding ticket is a criminal fence and not having the right to face your cruiser or the ticket not being issued by a sworn law-enforcement officer is why they have been rolled unconstitutional in most places already
@@MAXIMUSMINIMALIST better google it champ. Those type of tickets are issued against the vehicle not the person and are not legally a criminal offense same as a parking ticket. They are a civil fine and don't deduct points against your license. read up,
I know people who tried to fight theirs and lawyers told them it was not winnable.
They'll say the state is not a person therefore can't be
sounds like time for a class action lawsuit
Sounds*
lawsuit.*
Sounds like it's time to stop be degenerates.
I don't think you can bring a class action lawsuit against the government. Maybe the camera company, but I don't think they're liable.
A class action lawsuit against the government is just a class action lawsuit against the taxpayers. Until all the idiots in this country understand that qualified immunity has led to fascism America is done
@@icedcoffee8561 Yes you can. It's called the second amendment.
The tea tax example sounds much better.
I got a ticket on a Sunday and a holiday weekend. No school was open.
Yeah they seem to keep those things on whether there’s school or not… cant tell you how many I had to pay last year. I have one left and ill pay that way later when I finally feel like it 🙃
Same here
They got me years ago with that sht
Unbelievable they still enforce like that when school isn't in session
Notice you didn't say you were not speeding anyway. 55 in a 25 is still speeding if children are there or not. ROFLOL. F around, and find out.
@@robertr3470
Her point is the school zone penalty shouldn't apply to NON SCHOOL days
But speeding is speeding
Ignoring all the issues with speed cameras being run by for profit private companies for a moment......
Sending the citations by regular mail must be an intended part of the scheme, I receive other people's mail on a pretty regular basis, sometimes it's a few houses or blocks away, sometimes it's miles away. And the frequency of receiving other people's mail has increased significantly in the last five years or so.
I usually hand deliver it to the correct address if close, or put it back in the box with a note, but how many people simply throw it away?
A citation with any penalties or action required by the recipient should be delivered by registered/signature required mail only.
Endless lies.
Oh, the rhetoric!
@DarthVader1977 . What?? I literally lived in a small town that did this crap on purpose when you'd get on the wrong side of the cops by refusing illegal searchers etc.
What's wrong with certified mail with signature- For official citations??? They have a duty to notify.
Same here when I lived in L.A. This is theft by government, and nothing else.
Police enforce these type things because it's easy, non confrontational revenue.
Meanwhile they have become a bunch of do nothings in regards to enforcing rules on actual criminals
I think the dude repeatedly doing 55 in a 35 is an actual criminal.
@robertr3470
It's not cool to speed in a school zone during school hours or daylight for crying out loud.
Years ago they got me at 2am driving past a school going 15 over.
My son was in hospital and I was leaving to go home to get sleep before work the next day
@@Highlander1432 Still does not give you the right to drive 15 over, school zone or not. Your kid was in the hospital, you were not going to change any outcome at 15 over in your car.
You are not special, just not paying attention. Take your ticket like an adult.
Speed limits are for everyone's safety, fool drivers think they are not for them.
School zone sign that state WHEN FLASHING the speed limit is...however you can get a ticket even when it isn't flashing..EXPLAIN PLEASE!
They recently added signs that show the camera enforcement times of 1 hour before and after the whole school day. Basically don't drive in GA between 7 AM and 4:30 PM.
PROVE IT FIRST PLEASE lol
the speed limit on all city streets should be 10mph if you go over the ticket should be $200 no excuses for not following traffic laws
@@scruf153 - Put the pipe down, gramps.
The ticket would have the time, and the state wouldn't be able to prove that you were speeding at the time that the school zone limit was active.
That unfortunately requires you to take it to court and plead not guilty. The state knows that most people won't do that
In my town the cameras were writing tickets for cars that were not committing to violation and hundreds of people who had been getting tickets took the city to court for their failure to have them fixed and verify their fix but because of all the problems they caused they eventually cancelled the tickets and removed the cameras.
Georgia needs to fix things like this. So tired of these politicians trying to screw the average person
The politicians? When they told you they were going to cut your taxes and increase services. How did you think they were going to do it? The answer is fines and fees. Remember these politicians were all voted in by the people of Georgia.
And when they voted for the cameras, they got reelected
Take it to court. EVERYBODY ask for a trial on each ticket. Jam the court system! Besides, you have a right to see your accuser in court. The camera is not the accuser.
Anyone driving can get the ticket but only the registered owner can contest it.
There is no option to take it to court in Ga.
We got 2 tickets a day a part in a school zone where the lights were not flashing because it was Summer and school was out…but they said there’s summer school…but summer hours aren’t at 7:10 am. Regular speed limit is 45 and the ticket said 46, school zone is 35. Had we known the zone was active in the summer time at 7am with the flashing lights, we would do 35 like we always do
Stop speeding around schools you maniac
why are drivers so STUPID just because you can go 35mpe does not mean you have to slow your but down
@@scruf153 don’t be so negative, one can also be smart, friendly, fabulous, strong….and go slower.
"Go to the department of Revenue," it's all part of the scam. Then go to this department, then file this paperwork, then send in the money. Oh, and fire your representative.
I live in GA, the people in Gwinnett County voted for this BS, fell for the "safety" crap. And if you read the bill, it is not just during school hours that it will take your picture. But any time you are speeding past a camera 10MPH or more over the limit.
You clearly did not see the tickets in the pictures. 55 in a 35, 45 in a 25. You need 2 things in that community brain cells and cameras.
Do you have children
Anytime?
I got a ticket last March in front of Central Gwinnett High School. I was in the far righthand lane going into Downtown Lawrenceville and a car was broken down turning in the righthand lane. Everyone, including me, had to pull into the lefthand lane and speed up going around the vehicle in an effort to be safe and get past it. I was clocked at 35 in a 25 and my fine was $125. Once upon a time the cop who was in his car 100 feet away doing nothing would have been right on it and traffic would be diverted in the interest of public safety, but there is no need to do that when you can make money off people who aren't out to break traffic laws. Also, there is an elementary school on Cruse Road where the signs are obscured by overgrown trees. What a joke.
@@supermodelatlanta1354 even when school is out the normal speed limit is 30 so most of those are still valid.
I mean you know if I own these cameras, and they just were constantly being vandalized, I think I would take them down....
Vandalism is not good
@@Marvin.45 And being accused of doing something without any possibility of due process is okay?
They got what's coming to them
They tried this in new york and it didn't work out. They had to take all those cameras down.Or shut them off. The cameras caused major congestion. People were getting a ticket for doing one mile over the limit. It's all about making money.
These cameras allow people to speed 10mph before issuing a ticket. In fact, Georgia as a state doesn't even allow police officers to give a ticket for a speed less than 10mph above the speed limit if they're using radar to capture it. Georgia is overwhelmingly permissive of crappy drivers and this ONE story of school zone cameras has people thinking there is a grand conspiracy. The reality is a quarter to half the drivers on the road completely disregard the speed limit and deserve to have their license suspended. It would do wonders for traffic congestion.
why are people going one mile over the limit what is the hurry
Some people are bananas about obeying their criminal governments...
It's all about STEALING money. In many States the companies in charge of running the cameras have been caught issuing false citations. There is no reason to believe this is any different.
This is why these cameras are illegal in South Carolina!
In Texas as well. People still get them in the mail, as the cameras are still up and functioning. The camera company still threatens the drivers with not being able to register their cars if you don't pay, but it's a bluff.
? Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Driving isn’t a right. Slow the f down cholol
@@robertintexas Same thing in Tennessee!
As they should be anywhere. Why americans put up with this type of abuse is something I cannot understand.
@@robevans5222 Speeding or tickets? Or both?
Does someone have the campaign donation records for the Camera company? it would be super interesting to see who took money from that company before the law was passed.
Wow - all those drivers suddenly being held responsible for their actions! This is fantastic!
Glad I got the heck out of Georgia 9 years ago.
Wonder where they get their information. We got rid of a car in September 2020, beginning 2021 it sold at auction, think December 2021 we got a school zone ticket in the mail for a school zone near Atlanta (we live near Savannah) for that car it had a temp paper plate on it. How does that even happen?
Now my question is, how often is that speed camera calibrated to accurately see that you are speeding?
how often do you speed
@scruf153 Ffs, if the camera is miscalibrated then it could read 35mph as though it was 45mph. It's why things like food thermometers need to be calibrated: they're not perfect and they're just machines that need to be maintained in order to work properly and be useful.
I worked in a green waste disposal company, we took 100's of loads a week to the local landfill. The more we could pack into the truck the more money we made. The trouble was the trucks could hold twice their legal weight load. Once a week a Highway Patrol officer would sit in the weigh station doghouse with the weigh-master and wrote over weight tickets. Usually one or two trucks would get ticketed before the word got out. Then the officer got the idea that he could just come in and review weigh tickets for every truck that came in whether be was on the scene or not. For a couple of months we got beatup pretty bad before it was determined that he had to be in the weigh shack in order to write the ticket.
How much more can we ask children to give up for the sake of reckless adults?
What the hell are they giving up, keep them out of the fucking streets.
Automated ticketing should not be legal. The only reason it is not a criminal offense is that you have the right to face your accuser in criminal court, so they made it a civil offense.
The reason automated ticketing is legal is because nearly half the people on the road disregard speed limits habitually. Stop speeding and you won't get a speeding ticket. It's real simple. Or better yet, turn in your driver's license and take a cab, because you're not worthy of a license.
It's illegal to have these in certain States. They are not reliable. Get off your high horse you turd 💩
Not at all true. But it's impossible to prove when the witness is a machine.
@@hugh007 Criminals are put away every day when shown on camera doing something criminal. Eyewitness testimony is notably unreliable and often needs photo/video evidence to back it up as reliable. The only problem with these signs as they are is that some of them have been mis-programmed for the times/day they are to be active, and the manual reviewers aren't doing their job in ensuring the ticket is legitimate. The camera/radar is fine.
@@hugh007If that's true then any surveillance video of robbery or shoplifting would be thrown out in court.
I drive for Lyft here in Georgia and will not accept any rides that I know are in a school zone in either Rockdale or Gwinette counties......Gwinette is by far the worst abuser of these systems followed closely by Rockdale
I find that absurd. Just read the sign. Even if school is not in session. Follow the school speed limit posted but go 5 mph under. Easy. I have friends that live near these school zones and if it states 25 mph when flashing, whether it is flashing or not, they do 20 mph while everyone else behind them are honking and pissed off. However, quite amazingly, my friends don't get tickets. Is going under the speed limit so difficult for you that you need to avoid those areas all together?
"abuser"? Hahahahah. More like you won't drive there because they are holding you accountable as a speeding Lyft driver.
@@gchsbus So a system designed to protect students is allowed when there are no students there that need protecting? If you are comfortable with that much control over your life by government.......que sera sera........
@@nyernga I don't like it. Don't get me confused here. All I am saying is, once you have figured out how not to get a ticket from one of these school zone cameras, just do it. Drive slower than posted and deal with it until the people you voted for remove them.
Then at some point you'll get pulled over for going to slow and may get ticketed for that.
Sue the gov
My wife is a teacher and she knows where the cameras are around her school. She has. Received 3 tickets from these cameras even though she drives UNDER the limit after she got the first one. There's no way to dispute it either. 🙏 S shouldn't be legal.
Texas outlawed both photo speeding and red-light cameras, but we still have tollway cameras. I have a TxTag transponder, but I avoid tolls, even if it takes longer to go somewhere around Houston. Several months ago, I got a bill for blowing through a toll with plates still in a rubber band on them, as I always get US Army vanity plates from the official MyPlates website. I had to call the tollway office and the agent reviewed the photo to find that someone entered an incorrect digit into the billing system. Had I ignored the invoice, I'd have accrued additional penalties and I was subject to non-renewal and even arrest. Wouldn't that have been fun? "Sorry, sir, we don't have any information on the warrant. You will have to sort that out in court. Now, please put your hands behind your back. And, we will have to impound your vehicle, as your registration is suspended."
I get them stupid notices for a vehicle that was TOTALED in an accident a YEAR prior to receiving the notice. The A-holes WON'T try getting to the bottom of this BS, so they are MORE THAN WELCOME to impound the car - IF they can figure out WHERE THE F!@K it was sent to be CRUSHED!
Texans also have zero respect for any traffic laws.
These are civil rights violations because theirs no due process and this essentially is theft of motor vehicles as they have legally no right to sit their and place holds on peoples cars without an actual judge to sign and since these are civil suits and not anything judiciary there should be no penalty whatsoever
Thank goodness Texas outlawed speeding cameras.
12 tickets and 0 accountability.
This is what's called, "CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY"!!!
These cameras are a cash cow.
About 3 years ago 2021 I got one of the only traffic tickets I have ever had and it was from speeding in a school zone in Snellville Georgia. I work in Snellville and I was relatively new to the area since I'm not really familiar with Snellville, and I had no idea there was a school there, and the only speed limit sign that said school zone was obscured by a tree branch so I never noticed it, and they also had a small tiny sign hanging above the street that had a camera on it, and I got nabbed for going 48 mph in a 35 school zone. That was some BS because 45 mph was the speed limit before you get to that hidden 35 mph school zone sign. They now have the tree limb removed, but that was some BS that I got hit with a $80 fine that was mailed to me by surprise. I guess I got really lucky that I did get the notice in the mail which included a snapshot picture of my car when I violated the speed zone.
A federal judge in California ruled that all speed cameras in the state did not meet federal or state standards for speed enforcement. That ruling in 2018 has been appealed and while it’s on appeal the cities can still issue citations. The state has been slow walking the appeal because they know that they’ll lose. The case has gone to appeal, three judge panel and en banc appeal. Next would be the Supreme Court. The cities filed the appeal too late for consideration this term, so there won’t be an answer until June 2025. They’ve lost at every level so far.
One reason I left GA back in 89.
And dont forget the camera clock and speed limit flashing lights are not in sync, wink wink
We need justice this doesn’t sound right! No more of this garbage if it doesn’t reach them it shouldn’t be there fault he updated the address!!!
if out of state drivers are not subject to these penalties, then this law violates federal constitutional protections requiring equal treatment under the law
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The Constitution doesn't matter anymore in America. This is a police state now. They violate rights at will and even if years later you prove it in court they are still not held accountable.
Tax Payers paying Foreign owned Private Companies to generate revenue by penalizing them, nothing to see here, move along.....
The state of Georgia is not foreign idiot
Fines resulting from a camera should be unconstitutional. Where's the human element in all of this money grabbing?
Welcome to AI. Your cellphone is an accessory that is far more deadly, get rid of it, please. Credit Cards track users as well
That's why the Tennessee State Legislature banned the things except in municipalities that were already under contract with the camera companies. And if you get one of those, it's perfectly legal to throw it away. Unless you just feel the need to support that town that is still using them.
I was the chief of police in a small South GA town last year. These things are 100% for profit. The chief of any police agency has the ability to dismiss the ticket but there is no incentive when 100% of the revenue goes to the police department that oversees the camera system. It is not a deterrent as people don't even know they are "speeding". They also leave the camera on 2 hrs before and 2 hours after school zone hours to also ticket people for extra revenue. I have no idea how this is legal as it can't be challenged. If you show up in court they will dismiss it instantly but by then you have lost an entire days wages which is more than the "ticket".
It is not always obvious when the speed cameras are recording. Some school zone cameras enforce the flashing and non flashing speed limits during the school day. I got a ticket at 12:30pm in South Fulton based on the regular speed limit. Most people are hyper-vigilant when school starts and ends and do not speed through the area. However, when school is in session during the day you don’t think about being in a school zone or the camera. They might as well let the lights flash all during the school day and enforce the speed instead of being deceptive.
Destroy the cameras
How can a vehicle be guilty of a crime, they don’t know who’s driving with these citations.
you are responsible for your vehicle
If you let a friend borrow your car and they get stopped for speeding by a human cop the one who borrowed the car gets the speeding ticket. The same should be true for speed cameras.
So I can rent a car and rack up speeding tickets and not be responsible for them?
@@J.Artan6 not talking about rentals, but these companies will have your card on file and the date / time of the rental against the date / time of the ticket lol
if they cant charge the card theyll likely pay the ticket out of pocket then file a debt collection against your credit
So the owner of the vehicle is not responsible?
Considering this is Atlanta I'm pretty surprised that no one has destroyed the cameras.
In the UK, the cameras take two pictures, half a second apart. There are short lines painted on the road surface, which will show the distance covered in that half a second. That confirms the calibration of the camera. Tickets are issued only when the speed is above a threshold, so it will be obvious that a speeding offence has occurred, with no argument about small calibration discrepancies. The speed sensors are also calibrated regularly.
You get a notice in the mail. (Same issues here about non-delivery) That notice requires declaration of the driver at the time, and failure to disclose is an offence. The notice also includes a link to view the pictures online, so the evidence is there, if a dispute is deemed necessary.
All the cameras are operated by the local authorities, and the offences carry licence points.
What a nightmare
It's called extortion
Let them make all the money they can on people doing 55 in a 35 like the dude in the video. F around, pay the ticket.
My neighbor got a ticket in South Fulton and had to pay 80 bucks to an address in Tennessee
one place collected $15 MILLION from school speed cameras, problem is fines were 2X higher than state law allowed, the camera was also ticketing vehicles NOT in the schoolzone as shown in the photos that the camera was taking.
how would a camera in a school zone take a pic of a car that wasn't in that zone? sorry I don't believe you.
take it to court and demand a jury trial , as you have a right to face your accuser , talk camera talk!!
Simple solution, don’t fucking speed in school zones
Don't be so obtuse. These cameras have frequently been documented to have erroneously issues tickets during non-school hours, etc.
@@reaxions You clearly did not see the tickets in the pictures. 55 in a 35, 45 in a 25. DURING THE WEEK...
Simple solution, keep your kids out of the fucking street.
These speed cameras are total BS and a complete conflict of interest! Plus, they've frequently been found to have issued erroneous tickets during non-school hours, etc. If municipalities want to catch speeders, let cops check the speeds and confront the suspected violator(s) when the speeding happens. These mailed tickets handled by these third party companies flagrantly ignore the presumption of innocence and utterly dismiss the right to face your accuser, and the fact that you can't even register your vehicle while these potentially erroneous tickets are unpaid, is beyond infuriating!!!
You really think the dude with the tickets doing 55+ in a 35 feels the camera was lying. HAHAHA If you believe that you better not watch videos on chemtrails or moon landing hoaxes.
The illegitimate tickets absolutely need to stop; the sign programmers need to do their jobs correctly and the manual reviewers need to do their jobs correctly. I am sorry though, these speed cameras are proving precisely why they ARE needed. Police cannot possibly issue tickets to all instances of speeding, as it is so frequent and flagrant. If an officer witnesses 3 cars speeding, they can only pull one of them over at a time, which means there is an unconstitutional unequal treatment under the law of parties. The unlucky one who gets the ticket has a legit case that they are being treated unequal under the law as compared to the two lucky speeders who got away with it. Now extrapolate this across the whole ATL metro area and you are talking about thousands of constitutional violations per day. These camera/radars are necessary and simply need to be implemented in such a way that that tickets generated are accurate 99.999% of the time. The process is there, we just need to hold the human programmers and human reviewers accountable. The revenue doesn't have to be a part of it; get rid of the fines and put points on people's licenses.
I'll do you one better. Let's just let them install monitors on all of our cars. That'll totally solve everything. Just ask Chinese citizens. You people are sheep.
You just gotta drive up their maintenance costs until it's not profitable. If they have to replace a few $30k cameras weekly then not only are they incurring replacement costs, they're also losing revenue from downtime in the interim.
In London, people rebelled and took cameras down for insane enforcement.
When I was in grade school kids were not so dumb and slow that we needed draconian speed limits in school zones.
I don’t believe that London kids weren’t dumb af.
Unenforcable. Dont renew the registration then
Then you get pulled over with no tags and no registration, it’s a ticket.
TWELVE speeding tickets? Somehow I doubt they ALL were mistakes.
so let me get this right, on 12 separate occasions that woman was speeding. She got caught and cannot pay the fine for her breaking the law. Yet she blames everything but herself for the predicament she is in.
hey stupid its called right to due process cameras are illegal. ITS A SCAM!
Here's a question for you: What if she wasn't actually speeding? What if the cameras aren't properly calibrated, or taking pictures at times they shouldn't be? There's a myriad of other possibilities at play, here. And with 12 tickets, either she's a truly horrible driver who's off the road now, or something's funky with the cameras.
The story itself doesn't delve into the evidence at play, here, so, don't be so fast to jump to conclusions.
You're obviously a pig. ACAB
@@calanon534 Yep DC got rid of it's red light cameras after it was issues tickets to police cars that had lights and sirens on . My county got rid of red light cameras be cause of cost . When they were first installed the county got $85 a ticket. They company operated them kept on upping the cost to the point were the county was paying $15 a ticket .
@@calanon534 I think it's about ten times more likely that a person who gets a ticket because they were selfish enough to speed in a school zone will blame the camera, blame the law, blame the road, blame the city, blame the legislature, blame it on anyone but themselves rather than admit fault than it is that the camera is miscalibrated.
This is not legal advice and I am not a lawyer:
If I were a Georgian with a Georgia-registered vehicle and I got one of these tickets, I wouldn't ignore it but would select to go to court.
Once it is my turn to speak, I would politely ask "was there a peace officer physically present at the time of the infraction, who witnessed the infraction, and identified the vehicle as the one in violation and myself as the driver?"
The "state's witness" will have to answer "No."
Then you say, "No further questions."
Then you walk out satisfied that justice, due process, and the United States Constitution prevailed.
Ask me how I know.
Never about safety. If it were then why do the cameras go up where there has never been a cop stationed. Our small town (Jefferson, Ga) raised 1 million dollars the first year they were active. The fines overwhelmingly are written to teens and their parents. It only tickets during drop off and pickup so the majority of tickets go to students and parents dropping off and picking up. It’s not a crime it’s civil and the school received almost none of the fines and is unable to deny the cameras being installed because the city sees free money! It’s criminal that we are allowing our local police jurisdictions to delegate traffic enforcement to private company’s in other states. These “ticketing” companies are all owned by former policemen so it’s easy to come in and convince the local law to allow them to terrorize their citizens!
It's a racket and a scam! 👎
Ya that dude doing 55 in a 35 is not at all the reason the cameras are there in the first place. Let the city make money on people too arrogant or stupid to follow simple laws.
@robertr3470 The point of it is that people are denied due process. Including the errors of properly notification! 😑
@@tbolton6156 So which of these is more likely?? A speeder is also a liar or there is no due process? I believe the former more than the latter.
@robertr3470 who cares!! Some people believe in 🎅!
Why do we need dmv?
so our nazi government can generate more revenue and give it back to illegals
Because if you didn't have them, the driving would be even worse.
Government control
To make sure morons like you don't kill ppl with dui's
I got 2 tickets when the light wasn't flashing. I asked for a hearing on the last one, but haven't received a time yet. Also got in school zone from a side street and know the exact time for a 25 mph speed limit.
Sue the city for violating due process law.
Why can’t they make a cruise control on a car that works at 20mph? You need a swivel neck to look back and forth between the speedometer and watching out for kids. I’d rather spend 100% of my time watching out for kids.
My VW works down to 20 mph
This is unconstitutional as you have a right to face your accuser in a court of law. Any fine over $25 you're allowed to have a jury trial. Know your Bill of Rights. You may not be able to drive but you can travel in your car know the law
Extortion at the finest
Countdown until the cameras start getting vandalized. It was a big problem up here in Ohio when we had these things around town.
In Saint Marys, they, in the same post, said they were being open about speed traps and then refused to say where the traps were and what they were set to.
Should be against the law for any company out-of-state to ticket you to begin with.
These are in state moron
I'd personally ask the courts to tell me when's the last time the camera was calibrated.
Won't work when you are doing 55 in a 35 like the dude in the truck. It is not off by 60%
Of all the places to put speed cameras, school zones seem like the most appropriate. The question now is, is everything calibrated correctly, and there's just 90,000+ people whining about getting caught, or is there an actual issue with the system? It makes me wonder because they didn't report on anything being faulty with the system itself outside of the cluster that is delivering the tickets via non-certified mail and they also didn't actually discuss the illegality (or otherwise) of any of the examples given.
The fact that none of the agencies involved can provide any proof of the ticket existing other than a computer saying that there is an active fine that was mailed out at some point, yet expect the people to pay the ticket fines, is outright criminal. If a cop writes you a ticket and he has you on speed radar and dash cam you can contest the ticket in court. Yet the city is saying that there is no way to contest an automated system ticket in court cause there is no evidence of the ticket and no person to contest, they just want you to shell out the money to them. This isn't about safety, this is clearly about profit.
my state outlawed traffic cameras loke some area had a redlight camera but due to how easily a license plate can be faked and they cant actually prove whos behind the wheel they had no other choice but to outlaw them some areas still have a red light camera set up but its not active
Our NY county ditched the red light cameras because it was “unfair” 😢 to people who couldn’t pay the fines..
Just a way for the state to collet a TAX w/o calling it a tax.
Taxation by fees, extort the working class so the rich don't have to pay.
Bad argument. It's a fine, a penalty for violation of the law. You get a DUI, you pay a fine. Fines are supposed to discourage unwanted behavior
False. Stop trying to justify mowing down children.
sue the state , every single person should sue the state
I’m so glad Minnesota Supreme Court put the brakes on speed cameras in this state in 2007. Someone had their thinking cap on. Speed cameras were banned because it was argued that it violated state law and there were due process concerns because there is no way to guarantee that the person speeding is the owner of the vehicle. Sadly they’re attempting to bring it back again 7 years later. This should be a reason why this should never be allowed.
This has nothing to do with the safety of school children. We already pay an army of police to protect them. This was always about revenue.
governments need money to function
This is the "ponzi scheme, "by Marxist politicians because we have to have ways to steal your money." They don't fix the roads, that damage your cars and you have to pay it. But we have over paid "feeders at the trough."
Georgia does not have enough cops to do core important cop stuff, let alone deal with speeders in school zones.
My city got rid of them due to violating our rights. If you are not the driver you should not get punished for someone else. Also, you get the ticket prior to due process. I'm so glad we got rid of them here. Nothing but a money making scam.
Ummm... Everybody receives a citation first. It is literally the first step in due process. It's called notice.
@@Failure_Is_An_OptionDid you watch the video? That guy is being forced to pay someone else's ticket because they are punishing him for someone else's violation. Or that guy that had to pay off someone else's tickets on a new truck he just got? And a citation allows you to go to court to fight it. This system does not. Hence a violation of due process.
@@Failure_Is_An_Option radicalronie is right. When an officer pulls you over, they issue the citation to the person committing the infraction. In this case you can be punished for someone else's violation without the possibility of proving your innocence. This is indeed a violation of your red-blooded American right of due process.
@@Failure_Is_An_Option He's right. When an officer pulls you over, he gives the citation to the person committing the infraction. And this citation allows you to prove your innocence in court. These camera systems do not allow that and forces you to possibly be punished for someone else's crime. Total violation of due process.
Robots delivering your citation or will it automatically go to your cellphone since it already incriminate's you daily....AND IT WILL TESTIFY AGAINST YOU,! I been speaking this to unbelievers for years. Welcome to the new "aids".
In Albany people were ticketed in school zones when the school zone speed limit wasn’t even in effect. My uncle was ticketed for driving thirty five in a school zone on a Saturday. The point is that the system is flawed because it tickets people when it shouldn’t be doing so.
I live in the state of Colorado. I don't think we have speed cameras for school zones but we do have red light cameras. I've had to deal with them personally and I've had to pay one but I did receive the uncertified mail and paid it at that rate which by the time they paid the process server and all the other fees. The city actually lost money on the ticket, but in the state of Colorado they cannot hold you accountable for the infraction unless they do one of three things either. Have a police officer come serve you with the ticket in person? Send it to you via certified mail to be able to confirm that you actually got the ticket or send a process server to serve you in person with it. And according to the lawyer, I talked to out of the tens of thousands a year that are issued in that particular City and the thousands of ones that go unpaid. There's literally a handful that they choose to process serve every year when they send it to us, they are legally required to offer us a court date to go and fight the ticket as well as they only have 90 days to serve you the ticket from the time that the infraction happened. Otherwise in the state of Colorado, the statute of limitations runs out and it is no longer a valid ticket and in the state of Colorado it is only a civil penalty. You just pay a fine and that is it. It does not show up on your motor vehicle record.
😢The reporter should have properly investigated the 3rd party camera company owned by the judges AND asked about the "contracts" signed with the county.
"3rd party camera company owned by the judges"
Proof of this please.
@@matt9c1
They won't dismiss any ticket, ever!
/watch?v=cqeSVHsQ3MQ
Why? Dude was doing 55 in a 35 and woman was doing 45 in a 25 during posted hours on actual school days. Who cares about the rest when the criminals are on camera crying.
@@matt9c1there isn't any. These bums just want to run over children bc it inconveniences them.
Notice they are not saying they were not speeding, but they didn't, can't, won't pay for breaking the law in a school zone of all places. Good job Georgia. Make these people who F around, find out.
Awesome! These people need to pay
People must fight back against corrupt politicians.
It's quite simple people, quit speeding. There, problem solved. Also, renew a new address promptly with the DMV, don't rely on the "I'm getting my mail forwarded" excuse.
How does this deter you from speeding when:
1) The signs and lights are so inconspicuous that you don't see them.
2) You don't even know an infraction occurred until weeks later when you get the "ticket" in the mail.
@@msa3724 Nothing needs to deter you from speeding. If you have a driver's license you should know the speed limit in a school zone. If you don't, get off the roads!
He never even denied speeding. LOLOL
@@jimoconnor8597So take the cameras down then. You just admitted they are a fraud, just like you are.
Look at the speeds on some of the tickets. 56 and 53 in a 25/35 zone by Mr. Jeremy Michael Brown at 1:55. This dude blazes through town in his Dodge without a care and cries about it being a "gimick" and a "snipet" despite two different times. His tickets don't say anything about school zones.
Yep, he's an imbecile and deserves his license to be suspended. So many of these speeding apologists are pathetic and Fox 5 Atlanta's agenda is clear as day. They too, are pathetic.
You are a racist
This is why I drive with no license or insurance… fake tags !
Money grab, that's what pays for States overspending .
Let them make all the money they can on people doing 55 in a 35 like the dude in the video.
Interesting how criminals walk around thinking their criminal mind makes their criminal ideas acceptable.
Go ahead, blame the world for your crimes…
In Georgia these school zone speed violations ARE NOT criminal offenses, they are civil. In 2021 after my Mom passed away I started getting collections calls about two school speed zone violations. Suspecting a scam I contacted our local city police department where the officer assured me that these collections were not scams. What had happened was that my Mom was driving my vehicle and on two different occassions was oblivious to the fact that she was speeding in a school zone. The citations were sent to my physical address where I do not receive mail, instead of my post office box. Once verified I took care of the matter.
I would've told them to go arrest her.
These cameras should only be owned AND operated by the Police/Highway Patrol/Sherrifs. They should never run by private companies, not even serviced by private companies.
You don't understand how payola, and government kickbacks work I see. There's MUCH more room for them to graft and steal when you get these outside companies involved. All sorts of people getting paid to do stuff. The ticket money at the end is just for gravy for the county. The real money is made by the crooks politicians and officials with the contracts and back door deals. The little details no one notices. Sort of like what the Super Mayor you may have heard of is doing but much more intelligently and discreet. They will get away with it. She's gonna go down.
Slow down!! Problem solved
Riiight
Who don't speed
You have got to be Einstein's daughter.
@@thatoneguy94512 Beyond your abilities, guy? Think you have some god-given right to drive as fast as you like thru a school zone?
@@demophys4883 Calm down please. It is literally impossible to drive that slow in a 300+hp fully automatic car/trucks unless you intentionally set it to first gear only.