How to do Handbrake Turns
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- čas přidán 9. 08. 2017
- The basics of doing a proper handbrake turn. One of the simplest lessons in rally driving, the handbrake is used to combat understeer and create oversteer at low to medium speeds.
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it would be perfect if you would show foot work from inside as you said . thanks a lots.
*Stares at my base model Fiesta* alright, lets do this!
STARE INTENSIFIES
Fiesta stares back!
with le summer tires
It's winter let's gooo
My trailblazer clapwagon is shitting bricks rn
Alternate title : "how to impress girls as a 17 year old"
My friend 17 year old friend did this in snow and needs a new front end for his car
@@Chase-jc7rx but did he get the girl?
@@sieravirs1107 no all he got was 90% of his paycheck taken to fix his car and he got picked on by my entre auto body class cuz he wrecked lol
@@Chase-jc7rx lol. Then it wasnt p e r f e c t l y e x e c u t e d
@@Chase-jc7rx he should have watched this video
At sweet 17, not yet passed my test, winter of '74, I was out in my Mini 1000 having fun in the snow. Loved the way the handbrake would get you round 90 deg bends, help avoid obstacles and subtly alter attitude of the car. Worst that happened was a bent wheel and cracked CV joint when I eventually hit a kerb !
Just three years later what I'd learnt saved my life.
I was doing local recce for the RAC rally in unseasonally harsh weather (uni friends going to spectate, me the local).
Mounted a crest to encounter a 12% gradient icy snow-ploughed hill, fresh snow and 2m snowbanks either side.
Ploughed road hardly more than car length in width.
I couldn't brake on the icy surface and found myself accelerating toward , to my horror, a snowplough blocking more than half road width at the bottom of the hill.
If I hadn't instinctively flicked my steering hard right fractions of a second before pulling full strength on handbrake to spin car into the opposite snowbank, grinding halt, guess I'd be resting in a cemetery for 45 years now.
As it happened a small dent on nearside wing was all that reminded me of my dice with death.
I've had other dices in snowy weather as I mistakenly thought I had rally driver skills, but never collided with anything.
More you learn of car control the safer you will be
Glad you're still here!
that is some great near death experience right there
glad you are safe and healthy!
thanks, i'm gonna go crash my Swift in a ditch somewhere.
What year?
@@scowler92 2007
@@usuallyclueless4477
I drove a four-door 1992 Swift (Geo Metro) for a while. Nice seats. Thing floods every time it rains, though.
@@scowler92 ah yes, that had the G13 engine as well right? They continued that engine till the 2010 model year. Absolute gem
@@usuallyclueless4477
Dunno. The one I drove has a 998cc inline-three and no airbags. Some people will put GSXR-1000 engines in them. I think they can be turbocharged, too. All I know for sure is that they're more fun than they look, and the shift sensor on the automatic transmission uses the amount of fuel going to the engine to decide when to shift, because once the fuel filter was replaced, it started shifting normally. Before that, I had to start in low gear and bop it to second, then to overdrive, and repeat after stopping. Good brakes, too.
I've only see two other Swifts in the US between Alabama and Kentucky. Both two-door, both broken-down. Would love a two-door model with a manual transmission and the bigger inline-four. Put some snow tires on it, replace the windows with wire mesh, ditto for the lights. Poor man's SxS then.
There's a lot more Samurais around my area though. Probably all 2wd stick-shifts. Probably a few Grand Vitaras here, too. All survivors after 30 years.
Going from a 1992 Swift to a 2010 Corolla has been educational. The design philosophy between the two are night-and-day (and about 300lbs). The former is basically a light-duty jeep, no added weight, options were a casette player, cargo cover, and a rear wiper. That's it. You can also see around the pillars, whereas the Corolla's A and B pillars occlude the entire road at an intersection, and you need the mirrors to back up.
And the seats are where it gets weird. Corolla's are thick and racy, whereas the Swift's are thin and incredibly comfortable for how little material is used. I'm 6'2" and fit into it snugly, whereas the Corolla leaves a lot to be desired. Toyota is weird about seating.
These videos really make me want to buy a Fiesta ST as a daily and build it into a rally car. That 5 day rally course is mighty attractive if I can ever get the coins together
U can pick up fiesta (SE)for cheap as hell like 2,500 cheap that’s what imma do
Goodmorning , thanks for making these videos and sharing the knowledge. Not in the states but if i were I'd definitely take the class
Thank you so much for this video I’m new to rally driving and drifting and being in a fwd manual car I now understand why to hold in the clutch
Why this getting recommended after I took my driver’s license?
Because CZcams knows.... probably just a coincidence this time - I got it recommended, but already have my license for a few years
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It is time
I have a 1976 VW beetle with a souped up engine and I recently discovered that rear end engine cars back end swing around real nicely while takeing corners at high speeds. Which makes for some real nice drifting. And yes. I am going to put alot of power in a car that weighs half a ton if that. Which is going to be alota fun
Thank you so much. Precise and short info how to rally :)
Thanks for the helpful instructions
Great and valuable inputs! Thanks.
This is very informative. Thank you!
Y'all are amazing thank you
You guys are the best.
Wish yall were closer. Im in Texas looking to get another Fiesta so i can play.
Yank it, then steer, gotcha. My 1997 punto is gonna love it.
great video as always
I love it ! So that's how to sideways with front wheel drives
Or you could try using lift off oversteer
Instructions unclear, car stuck in a ditch.
😂
thank you for sharing!
Aka fwd “drifting” lol 😂
the road youre into in this video, must be fun to drive on.
In an empty park me and random other high schoolers and some of my friends would go whip our fwd automatic cars in this giant lot that had this perfect setup for super long e break slides. Oh and don’t forget about fwd donuts (aka bagels)
The best tutorials around
Thank you we appreciate it.
My mate taught me to do 180 degree turns years ago, such good fun
It is!
Hey bro. Appreciate your videos, they are great and I learned a lot from them that I can apply in practice.
As for handbrake turn tough... I just burned my third clutch in my 270HP 2005 WRX doing a handbrake u-turn on asphalt. Not an STI unfortunatelly. I know that's probably a problem with accelerating from slow speed in 2nd gear, but bro... any other tips? Maybe a video with WRX? Anyways more videos with WRX!
Some chargers have secondary brake peddles that lock the rear wheels.
2:49 Beautiful :)
1:00 minute fast tutorial thanks thats all i needed to know basic stuff bye 😂
What's the max speed you should be going if you tried this on a city street? This is a purely hypothetical question.
I do it at a speed between 40 to 60 kilometers.
30mph is a good speed for a 180 degree spin
Please please please be around still when I actually have some money... I really want to do some rallying but not while I'm in school and tight on cash... Within the next 5 years I'll be there.
lol me
yeah bro but remember nothing ever happens until you make it happen. So make it happen
Thats why he is in school smh... -.-
Optimists - "Live your life to the fullest"
Me - "But i have school"
@@JeandrePetzer after school there will be a job and that takes up even more time
I drive a fiesta st-line. So an se with the body of an st, and oh boy do I plan on doing this all the time
If I do this in an outback will I need to push in the clutch? Or is the center diff open enough that I can keep revs up
I’ve got a 2014 Outback with the hand brake is only a push button awkwardly on the lower left of the dashboard. Any possibilities?
Great tip! Thank you!
Does it work on hard ground (road) as well?
It does work on tarmac, but it's a little risky and there's not much benefit (beside entertainment).
Team O'Neil Rally School
Thank you for your reply! Risky indeed, Its for " emergency case" only... 😀
I can't be the only one watching these videos to get better at sim racing
Same
Hey, very good video! What about in the rear wheel drive automatics? What's the catch there?
In a RWD automatic, you can use the handbrake to rotate the car basically anytime you want. There's little to no risk of stalling the car.
I handbrake turn into my driveway like a champ most days. 60-70kmh, turn in and yank the wand. Gas it into the driveway, and round a full 180 onto the verge where i park. Thats in my 93 magna. (It was a free car, and 0 fucks are given.)
My Foz has a hydro group N tandem handbrake. Works bloody good when the pads have some heat in them.
Best rally cars: ford fiesta and ford focus, they look amazing
Do you guys run OEM sway bars?? I have a Steeda 1 inch rear swaybar on a Ford focus SE hatch and i was just wondering in rallycrossing per say, would it better to run the OEM rear sway bar or the aftermarket?
Gotcha! Thanks
i am using it in downhill automatic car and it works properly
I'm such an idiot, I just tried this in my Camry on a back road while wet and it was glorious for all of 5 seconds until my rear tires caught grip as I was counter steering and in a matter of a blink of an eye I was heading the exact opposite direction straight for a ditch.
Luckily it wasn't a very big one and I hopped and slid across the mud into a church. Thank you again God. I then proceeded to drive home in silence my car and I unharmed
I'm a new driver and I've learned so much from you . I will try this in an open area as soon as possible . Is Honda jazz automatic a viable option for these "stunts" or do I need a manual one?
im gonna be the nice guy replying after 3 years, yea the auto jazz should be fine
@@mrhighboost8474 cool thanks
@@overpower7593how did the practice go after 6 to 2 years later
@@mgm105 I’m not that good of a driver as it turns out
Any modifications to the handbrake? I've tried this in my FiST in a wet empty parking lot w/ traction control off but no lockage. My old Mazda you could do it like nothing.
I imagine the stock handbrake might be able to lock the rears on a loose surface though.
The vehicle used in this video has a stock handbrake with no modifications.
I'm very interested in coming up there, where are you located and what is the cost per race weekend?
We have a few different options you can choose from, take a look at www.teamoneil.com and hit us up with any questions. Thanks!
so what is the benefit from handbrake turn?
How bad is this for stock brakes on a fiesta or any car
damn, no homo but my boy is packing some heat
No homo
NOT Omar no homo
@@JackColeroSr. no homo????
Damn he really do got schmeat🤤🤤
Using this this winter lol
A D A M M A J O R LMAO i once saw some guy in a truck do serious donuts in a gas station lot right during a snow storm that no one else could drive in
A D A M M A J O R lol yeah I've only ever done it in a snowy lot
Did it today
can we do it on proper moterway
Can you do this in rhd?
Something I've never understood about left hand drive cars is that when you're changing gear/using the hand brake most people are then steering with their non dominant hand. Obviously hand brake turns aren't something you should be doing on a public road but it would still feel weird to me to be using only my left hand when it can't even hold a pen.
We the same. I can't coordinate my left hand into nothing, but driving a manual you just have to😂 so I guess it's practice, just don't think about it.
Now that you mention it that's probably part explanation for the automatics foolery in countries like the united states. Very strange why they decided to put the steering wheel on the left.
@@RaniaIsAwesome it's because it's safer for the driver to be closer to the centre of the road. Most countries drive on the right because Napoleon was an edgelord
@@BzorlanIn countries with right hand drive, the driver is still typically in the center of the road (driving lane is the left lane)
How bad is it to roll backwards after a spin out in a car with the automatic transmission still in drive? When it happens I usually stand on the brakes to lock the wheels up or stay on the gas a bit to keep the rear wheels spinning forwards but is it necessary? I'm just talking about parking lot fun in the snow so no crazy speeds lol
It depends on what kind of automatic transmission you have. If you have an automatic transmission with a torque converter it doesn’t matter. But on a dual clutch transmission it will cause clutch wear, because one clutch (the one that is connected to the outputshaft/wheels) is spinning in the opposite direction as the other one (connected with the inputshaft/motor) and the car would try to make the first clutch to spin in the right direction by clutch friction. (Similar to the creep effekt when you let of the brake)
Ichbins Ichbins it's an automatic transmission with a torque converter. Glad to know it doesn't hurt it! Thanks for the information :)
Gonna test this on my soon to be 2004 Honda Civic lol
Did it break?
The auld rally way is to drill a screw in the button to lock it up
My 88 subaru has front e brake. Is there any way to benefit from this. I'm guessing not.
Dominic Wadkins j turn lol
1 question, do I need a cycling helmet to execute handbrake turn?
Cycling helmet so you don't bonk your head on the roll bar. If you have roll bars where your head can hit, you don't ever want to drive without a helmet of some kind.
Do you just pull and then quickly release or pull and hold?
The longer you want to slide, the longer you hold it up.
Do you have to clutch in if you have an AWD?
TeamONeilRally thanks!
What kind of tires do you guys use on that little fiesta?
Hanhook Winter i'Pike 185/65R14
Are those really 14" wheels?? Wooow
Are you modifying the handbrakes on your cars?
Most cars i have tried to handbrake drift had really clumsy shitty handbrakes,
i can only imagine how great it is to have a propper fly off-brake
Holy shit. That makes so much sense. Thanks!
Daniel Donelly what?
The thing with the coin and the button on the handbrake.
Daniel Donelly what? I didn't write a word about that
Read all the comments
absolutely no reason for me to be watching this i just ride a little bike around, good video anyway informative and engaging 👍
Many people say that even with clutch in handbrake turn is really bad for drivetrain in AWD like Subaru (unless it's STI) but apparently many has also done it a lot without problems, is there any certain truth on subject?
Think of the viscous center differential as your bank, and every time you do a handbrake turn you're taking a dollar out of the bank. If you've got a new car, you might have $1000 in the bank. If you've got a beater old car you might only have $20 left in the bank. When your bank account hits zero the viscous coupling is ruined.
@@Teamoneilrally Thanks, makes perfect sense! Especially as those cars often have over 200k miles around here..
@@Teamoneilrally this thoughtful reply needs more love.
*They’re hot for James May!*
If I have a fwd manual car, so I still put clutch in?
In a FWD car, you don't need to push the clutch in. You certainly can, but it's not necessary unless you're going to slide to a complete stop.
Clutch isnt necessary for fwd, because in a handbrake turn you’re basically cutting most if not all power to the rear wheels. Since its a fwd, whether the rear wheels are able to spin or not doesn’t affect your engine or your transmission, because they only care about what your front wheels are doing. A handbrake turn in a rwd manual without pressing the clutch is equal to coming to a stop without pressing the clutch, which would of course stall it
I'm all smiles
Oh, damn. I turned first and then yanked it.
The hand break, for when you can't balance gas and break pedals.
that mean subie wrx cvt can't hand brake turn. right?
i like cvt more comforteble for left foot brake at my taste. and awd will give me tale happy more than fwd at my hope. Now i will stick with my old (faster than it look like) car.
Brb gonna go find a gravel u-turn
when is hand break turn fast, and when is it faster to just slowdown and take the turn at a speed the car can handle
The biggest advantage is on the really tight corners, the sooner you can get the car rotated around the corner, the sooner you can get back on the gas and get out of there.
can handbrake turn works for both Manual and Auto car?
eng joo yes
@@pazehghazarian3931 I've been practicing my handbrake turn with my auto car recently,at first it looks almost impossible,but after trying for 10 times,i started to master a little bit.
Im able to make my back wheel slide a little bit now.
but i found out that it's quit hard to estimate the speed k need for every handbrake turn.
Cause when it's raining I'm able to swing my back wheel like really far even in a middle speed.
But when the road is dry,i really have to go like at least 60kmh just to perform a little slide.
eng joo try at lower speeds then slowly work your way up so you can learn the slipping point
@@engjoo7210 Yeah, it's best to actually do it after it has rained because the ground will be wet so not only will it be easier to drift it also wont wear out your tires as much.
Foot on clutch, handbrake on and turn. I’m gonna try this in my work car
I only use a handbrake when all else fails. Like when a decreasing radius turn surprises you...
You have to use the hand brake though with FWD in hairpins and acute corners it's the only way you will get them round, unless its massively rutted..
@@AJ_Irving Not really. A lot of FWD cars are really small and have a tiny turning radius, i.e, Smart Cars, Fiat 500s, Minis, Toyota Aygo, Citroen C1, etc. They have no problem doing tight turns like that.
@@BaldMancTwat smart cars… 😂🤣 absolutely no one uses one in competition, and I can assure you juniors in the the C1, aygo, micra and Yaris’s use the handbrake in tight hairpins and on acute corners I wouldn’t class that one in the video as tight though that’s a lg HpL, but then 15yrs experience rallying 205s guess I am wrong… 😂🤣
@@AJ_Irving I never mentioned rallying though. I only just noticed OP's name has the word rally in it, but I assumed he was talking about in a road car on the streets.
@@BaldMancTwat the giveaway wasn’t the fact they are in a forest on gravel? Absolutely no one in motorsport would be talking about this for on the public roads they is no place for this on public roads….
Instructions unclear, car tip toed around corner
Dang, my car doesn't have a handbrake
Order a handbrake from Jegs.com.
u have a button handbrake right??
No my handbrake is at my feet
@@TheEpicDartfish oh yeah its a pedal right?
@@chloe4949 yeah, just doesn't work as well for drifting compared to one by your hand/
So yes w/fwd?
The car he is demonstrating on (Ford fiesta) is a fwd car
That's one of the bunch of reasons I hate the damn modern cars with their shitty Electronic E brakes.....
@@texxitexxi yes but those sort of car is disappearing sooner or later. at some points the market has dried up and the fun, simple, oldschool cars are really hard to get in an acceptable condition. keeping more and more ppl from doing fun stuff with cars and making it harder and harder for young ppl to get into racing or just good driving skills in general
Not all modern cars have electronic E brakes. There is plenty of brands and variants to choose from.
Pull the hand brake then after u turn the wheel. We start from this
What if you have a electronic parking brake?
Not gonna work.
😔
Perhaps in a manual vehicle one should shift to neutral gear before using the e-brake to prevent stalling?
In an AWD or RWD, definitely push the clutch in or put the shifter in neutral.
very helpfull ,can i become your team?
My insurance adjuster wants your contact info.
Christopher Reynolds 🤣
Finished the video. Nevermind.
I don't understant why you need to press the clutch on rwd and add but not on fwd like technically
because the handbrake stops the rear wheels, so if your engine sends power to the rear wheels (rwd) then if you pull the handbrake and lock up the rear wheels so they stop, your engine will also stop (stall) so if you depress the clutch, the engine wont be connected to the rear wheels anymore, so if the rear wheels stop or go backwards, its fine, because the engine will keep running.
Anyone else here after watching the Grand Tour? Gotta impress those ladies (or lads)
Is it FWD?
The vehicle shown in this video is a Ford Fiesta ST, Front Wheel Drive.
Im doing this with a 800 cc spark wish me luck.
howd it go?
Almost crashed into a ditch because it doesn't have power steering.
@@ironconi1168 damn you lucky
I love doing stupid shit in that car when its snowing its not a good idea to tru it on dry road.
@@ironconi1168 true
Crippled e46 starts crying
Is it easier with an automatic tranny?
Is it legal?
In rally events, yes. In normal driving conditions, no. you might be able to get away with it in the snow though.
anyone else attempting this with their base model fwd econobox ? 😂
Do I understand that, in a nutshell, don't practice this with an all-wheel drive vehicle (BMW 325xi, 2005) ?!
He said, just press the clutch down in an AWD. But I'm assuming that's an automatic anyway?
My 09 Mazda 3 is trembling
I’m only 15 but the second I get a car imma go somewhere open where I can practice this kind of thing
gonna try this with peugeot 206 hope i dont flip the car :))
I just learned this to play dirt :/
Too bad i can't use the GI bill for this.