The Most Important Car Video You'll Probably Ever See
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2017
- All cars are built to understeer as you approach the limits of grip. This video quickly outlines what you can do to correct for understeer in any vehicle using the same technique regardless of what car or truck you might be driving. This is equally relevant for driving on pavement, dirt roads, or winter driving. The basic physics of using weight transfer to help a car turn are universal, and can be practiced in all vehicles on all surfaces. For more information on the rally school visit:
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I just came here because I saw my dream car on the left in the thumbnail
Can you do a video teaching us how to remove our brakes for weight reduction? Mine keep slowing me down..
LemmingRush I like you
LemmingRush I see what you did there
LMAO I thought there was a youtube glitch for comments but nope. lemming is commenting on rally vids lol
remove your girlfriend from the car is a better weight reduction option, guaranteed 250 lb reduction.....
A youtuber video gamer on a rally channel.... huh
You'd make it if you had a massive wing, loud ebay exhaust and most importantly, some stickers.
H Siu each sticker adds 100 kg downforce: fact
ToxicHorsePucky most also add 5-10 hp
200lb worth of stickers guaranteed to add downforce
Don't forget the short throw dipstick for reduced weight
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H Siu what about the racing stripes adds 100hp
If you're always sideways, you can't understeer.
If you're sideways, you're just experiencing directional understeer.
You could be in a situation where you ARE sideways, and sliding four wheels, but your front wheels are slipping more than the rear. I think that that's understeer still.
@@nickamarit Obviously... If the car isn't going at the point you want to go, something is wrong. If the front wheels doesn't grip, it's the same if the rear is slidding too... Your racing line will be more open that you want and the car probably not response to the steering wheels.
Anyways, when the front wheels are slidding you should be weight transfer to recovery grip.
So, I agree :)
Is that you, Takumi?
Clearly never driven an MR2
How am I understeering and oversteering at the same time?
RWD: Spinout
FWD: Under steer
AWD: *Diagonal Acceleration*
Predominant FWD and a clutch pack that automatically engages the rear axle: a brief struggle then straight into the ditch.
Showing brake lights would make this a great video. It's good, but by moving the camera closer to the turn entrance we would have had a better illustration of how braking is affecting the turn.
I agree. It would have helped to see the first bit of the turn as well. I also think we would have seen the attitude of the car a little better from that angle as well.
Still and good video for inexperienced drivers to watch. It's good stuff to think about.
The cars were so dirty though that you wouldn't necessarily be able to see the brake lights easily. But *some* indication of braking would help indeed.
timur ishgdfnaov then put a camera facing the pedal box.
This guys is the best coach in general. I feel like he could teach quantum mechanics and people would understand it in 5 min. Come to Azores man! We need a rally school!
Weight transfer it's so important, i dont know why they doesn't teach it in driving schools.
Because weight transfer should not matter when driving save in the first place. And its too much to understand if you are young and driving the first times. Thats my guess.
Weight transfer will of course still be there but not to correct any driving or anything.
Oh weight transfer is super important, learned that the hard way
TaznarTheStar yep same
Its simple physics, and I was taught about it a bit by my first instructor. If driving schools taught about weight transfer, it could prevent many crashes on country roads
I wish I could practice this somewhere or get taught stuff like this in driving lessons. Would build people's confidence and be able to combat when things go wrong and get people used to it when things might go wrong.
Most informational video I have ever seen on CZcams! Or at least in the top 5! And yes they should teach you this in driver's education for newbies or anybody else. Awesome! Well Done! Thank You!
Great video. I grew up around road racing because my dad raced for 15 years. From my experience all of the techniques you'd use in racing translate into daily driving seamlessly. Unfortunately it isn't mandatory for people to go through defensive driving courses. Luckily my brother and I were put into the defensive driving course at mid ohio raceway when we started driving.
Great video very informative!
It's all about weight transfer. MORE weight to the front better steering, MORE weight to the rear better acceleration(for RWD at least)👍
Never disappointed on this channel, great work each time :-]
I just found this channel, and the content is really great. Thanks
Superb Video! What i really like about the Fiesta is, that wether with DSC or not it's a great handling little car, even with FWD.
when things get rough with my prelude, I use clutch and sometimes I tap the brake a little. helps a lot if its understeering
when i do snow i often tap the brake with my left foot so i can be on the throttle when i want. so that way i dont need to use handbrake to get the car sideways. whats needed is a proper corner entry speed
No need for clickbait I see rally car or Subaru I watch it
LazyRock I really enjoy this guy's videos, but in this particularly case I came for the title. Now, that i've finished the video, there are no regrets.
Indeed, foolish of me to think it was clickbait. My naive self is gone. I never trust youtube tittles nowadays, good to see some people still keep to the truth!
wow, this is helpful, thank you!
Wyatt explains very clearly. One of the best in CZcams 👍
Great video, thank you
Thank you, appreciate it
Can you please do the same test with an MR2 or a Fiero, or something like that? Love all your videos, thank you!
you do great videos and i enjoy them but cars filmed here didnt go into a corner at same speeds and same way. You can see it when you adjust e30 before corner 2nd time around way better than 1st. (weight transfer and turn in timing and speed). But the point that you tried to make is 100% true. Keep up the good work and if possible i would love to see longer videos with higher level driving tehniques like that one when you explained rally driving. It would be great to see something like that for rwd and 4x4 cars on tarmac.
I can feel the DSC put on a touch of front brakes when taking a somewhat sharp bend (sharp enough to feel some g force, not enough to lose it at that speed) at motorway speeds with the cruise control engaged. Just enough to avert understeer I presume 😁
Wish I saw this a month ago when I totaled my beloved car from understeer
Great video 👍
Is the reasoning for giving it some braking before th turn to throw some weight on the front wheels to pull the nose over?
absolutely answered...thanks. this video was amazing now i know to break before dying at the 90degree corner in my hood.
#stickers&bandaid
Definitely agree that this could be an important detail for people to learn.
But just to clarify, are we basically just trail-breaking a lot once road conditions start to deteriorate? Or it it a little more/less complicated than that?
Dirt rally taught me this already = P But great video
you guys are awesome
if I'm going very fast and I turn and hit the brakes wont I oversteer? ive been training myself to brake straight and then turn...
Interessant
Damn good info 👍
Can you do video for Lexus owners that shows them where the turn signal switch is?
I've never been in a Lexus but, I figure the turn indicator switch must be in the back seat somewhere and weigh 90 pounds.
He wore a bicycle helmet for all of this?
The Egg: Because the same technique works on bicycles.
I know everyone here is going to think I'm FOS with the comment, but I swear it's the truth. Back in the mid-90's I was driving my "new to me" Jeep Cherokee. It had just started to rain, and I was driving a little fast in the Mtns on NC. I go around a right hand turn and the back end starts to come around. No big deal, I start to chase the car and as I do I start to drifting into the other lane. It was a right with about 100 yards of straight and then a left. When I was about 2/3's the way in the other lane, another car appears from around the left hand turn. Uh oh.
I then, as clear as he was in the seat next to me, remember the salesman telling me, "You can engage 4wd at any legal speed." I calmly reached down, pulled up the handle that engaged 4wd, put it in 4 high and stood on the accelerator. The front wheels engaged and pulled me back across into my lane.
The old man driving the other car was as white as a sheet when I went past him...
I want to believe, almost 'senna changing a tape while sideways on a public road' story believe.
The key here is OFF THE THROTTLE. You absolutely must remove that variable for this to work properly. Thats where traction control and the wheel drive come into play and where you get into oversteer or even worse understeer
I want to be in a rally school!!!
Hi guys just popped up on my feed, I know I’m a little late. Really good video, definitely a valuable technique, my only concern would be if someone without experience tries this and is too aggressive with the brake and timing wouldn’t they tend to get lift off oversteer? Granted ideally they would practice a little in a field, parking lot when it snows, or some other controlled environment. Even better take an advanced driving course like the “in control” drivers training program or one of the programs you offer (I’ll get up there eventually, I swear). But I wonder if this could go wrong for someone? Granted I’m not a driving instructor and only have a slightly better than average experience with the in control program and some rally-x so I’m not exactly an expert on vehicle dynamics, so I could be completely off base but that was my thought.
You're absolutely correct, if you transfer too much weight onto the front, you'll get more oversteer... But that's a really big piece of the puzzle if you're getting into rally or any kind of racing. Watch some WRC video and you'll see that's 90% of what they're doing... Braking before, during, and/or after turn-in to push the nose down and make it turn, then countersteering and accelerating hard to dig the rear tires in and stop the slide on the way out. If you do it gently and carefully, you can cure potential understeer... Agressively like you're saying and you create oversteer. As you mentioned, this could DEFINITELY go wrong for someone as they are learning to do it, that's why our school has grown so much over the past few years. If anyone is learning this stuff on their own, we ALWAYS suggest the gravel parking lot approach, rallyx, always starting in a safe place with plenty of room for error.
Team O'Neil Rally School, I thought that might be the case. One of the best things I did was Rallycross events with SCCA (New England Region has some great events, just for the record). It gave me a chance to develop some of these things without you know, dying. I still have plenty to learn so I definitely need to get up there one day, but thanks for the reply.
@@davidjean2170 Awesome, have fun out there and come visit sometime if you're ever in the area! And New England Forest Rally is a great time always.
Is this the same as trail braking?
Is this left foot braking?
Whats very important and many people do is steer more when the car already understeers and dont open up the steering and lightly break. A friend of mine flipped his car that way.
Son lo mejor saludos
Optimism with your eyes
Need a rally school in ireland
My god this great video uploaded on my birthday XD Thank you
I know I can trust your information, you wear a bicycle helmet for safety 😁
speed was never the same in both test not just entry but mid and end corner those results would be intresting
I don’t know if you all would read a video this long agos comments, but I’ll send this in a newer one if you don’t anyway.
What all do you recommend for someone wanting to get into rally. I mean what car, what training, what tires, what mods, what series or whatever it’s called, like anything you wish you knew and what everyone new wants to know. I am on a limited budget which I know makes anything hard but still, I really want to get into it
1: Look for a used rally car, make sure it's legal to run and reliable. specialstage.com and there are FB rally classified groups.
2: Take that rally car to rallycross, hillclimb, track day, whatever is cheap testing and practice in the car so you're comfortable and confident.
3: Whatever is the closest rally to your house, just go do it, regardless of what series. You can get your license online, suit and helmet etc.
4: Try like hell to just finish that rally, don't try to win, just try to get to the end.
5: If you're still into it, keep going. If not, you can usually re-sell the car for what you bought it for unless you destroyed it.
6: At some point come see us. Shameless plug, but we can get you a lot faster and safer in a hurry. You can try all different cars, no damage costs, it's a lot of fun.
That looks alot like my cherokee I rolled a few years back.
Unknowingly I keep doing this...good to know thou
I felt like in Ruchard Burns Rally video game in the good old days
Fwd just steer more into the corner and rug it. The wheels will spin up and pull the car through. Or steer the car into the corner with the same gas, lift for a second, the back end will slide out a little, then back on the throttle hard, pulls through. That's probably wrong it's the way I've done it on back roads
Steering more into the corner doesn't help reduce understeer. Once the tires start sliding at one angle, more angle doesn't fix it. You can only use a tire for so much grip and sliding friction is less than static friction. The loose surface is a combination but you'll find that by transferring the weight forward, you'll get more grip to turn (like in trail braking) or by decreasing your turn angle to regain some grip allowing you to steering more. On a loose surface, shifting the weight would work better.
The only reason turning more worked in your case is probably because the understeer slowed the car down which shifted some extra weight forward. Trail braking would have worked better ;-)
This will probably sound weird, but that's the oddest looking dirt I've ever scene.
It would have been informative, for comparisons sake, to include one with a locked/welded rear diff
you could have shown what happens when you just press the brakes as much as you can
Last car is like 'so much for all the tech's'
what about left foot braking ?
Dillan Martin if you're good at it then sure but if you aren't well then say goodbye to your brakes
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That BMW is absolutely beautiful
magic
I wish i lived closer to Team O'Neil Rally School... Europe's pretty far away
Go to Finland!
Some people say that good tyres are important for safety. Even the best, grippiest tyres wont help if there's an idiot behind the steering wheel.
e30 tail-happy
"little bit of brake on" you're talking left foot breaking I'm assuming?
Jake Ells yeah especially for the fwd
Watch the entire video, he says that it doesn't matter aas long as you are gentle. Locking up the brakes doesn't help you, so you need to be smooth
Or you could heel toe if you are smooth and comfortable with it. Only really matters if you're a manual and even then it only matters if you plan to clutch shift entering the turn or pulling out of the turn. Not really advisable to shift mid turn unless you really know what you are doing and plan to utilize the weight transfer associated with the disengaging/reengaging of the transmission
don't matter really as long as you slow down during the turn putting traction on your lead tire so that you can steer the car to the direction you need, the thing with going fast and turning without slowing down is that the front doing the steering is so light that you can't steer it :D
3:45 no, he's not...
I have a very silly question, it would be great if someone would answer it. Doesn’t braking or lifting mid corner induce snap oversteer? What is the best thing to do if you go into a corner too hot and you underteer? Is it better just to try and guide the car back on path just coasting how you are, or lifting off and causing liftoff oversteer, or is there a small amount of room for finesse to get yourself out ?
If you go in a little too hot and get some understeer, you may have to lift and/or brake to help it turn just try to do it smoothly and gradually that's all. You just want to get a little weight on the front to help it turn, if you lift completely and/or stab the brakes all herky-jerky you risk snap oversteer for sure.
What about all wheel steering?
It looks good on paper, but does not hold up to rally use.
If you like constant handbrake'n, that's for you, man :D
Crazy. I literally have that impreza but a wagon version and that e30 in red! 👍
Crazy i had a impreza like that but a wagon, and a jeep cherokee in black
We’re like... almost twins but not really at all!😀
hahaha yeah !
If you delete the front sway bar, that is going to help reduce the factory induced understeer, right?
MDS Racing lol yeah if you have a heavy/high rollover rate car dont try that, sway bar bolt broke on my Chevy Blazer so I still drove it for a while till I decided to get a new bolt for it. Driving fast on gravel around a long sweeping turn, a turn I had made at the same speed a bunch of times in different vehicles and the Blazer before the sway bar got screwed up, hit the turn and all the body weight practicality flew to one side and sent me sliding, tried giving it slight gas and correcting but there wasn't much I could do. Plowed into a tree. I now have a red door up front and no glass on the back door. Good times.
MDS Racing Add or stiffen rear anti-roll bar. Relative roll stiffness (front/rear) is one large contributor to final steady-state balance. This demonstration, though, doesn't really care about steady-state balance; it shows the common cure for entering a slick turn too fast--this is all transition, scarcely a second or two of steady-state.
As far as I know. Rear sway bar induces under steer. Not the front one. To reduce understeer I think you either remove the rear sway bar or fit a stiffer front sb
Wrong in most cases, you got it the other way around. Some cars, for example ones that have MacPherson in the front might grip up better with a stiffer rollbar in the front, and some cars might grip better in the rear with a stiffer rear rollbar, but if the suspension is working normally, more front rollbar should induce understeer and more rear rollbar should induce oversteer in steady state.
Can’t have understeer if you’re always having oversteer!
Japanese/ German/ US, right order.
I should have seen that video, before I crashed!
just do a scandinavian flick
With fwd???
Wow I’m supposed to brake when I get to a corner ?!?! I’ll never guess
Summed up simply as 'lift throttle' oversteer....add brakes only if necessary.
I wish I would have seen this back in 2013 😅
Ominous. Is there a backstory?
a crash obviously
it looks more like preventing than correcting in this video :(
All pretty obvious 🤷🏼♂️
Basically don’t go in too hot. Simples
I'll let DCCD worry about it.
the only thing is saw is the E30 > everything else in this video
The reason you keep going off is because you need to THROW THE SON BICH AWAY FROM THE OUTER DITCH! God Speed!
TL;DR: If you don't want to understeer, slow down.
It's not necessarily the speed, the point here is braking to transfer the weight forward onto the wheels that are
trying to turn the car
This video is about handling an unexpected situation.
LAME!
Try this in an MR2 lmao
this man knows
On wet roads going into a actual street corner with cars parked up and down the street your screwed, by the time you realize the understeer your “save” is gonna send you into a parked car. I’m gonna bet on the curb to stop me at that point.
Wow! So if I break before a corner I'm less likely to go off the road? This might be the most important car video I've probably ever seen. /s
OH come on..
the speed is the factor that makes the car go wide.
now, braking a bit will make it corner better..
OFCOURSE.. the speed is lower than before and the car will make it..
Just go sideways and then FLOOR it on the impreza, the awd system will give you more "grip" and you can do the corner at higher speed..
there is a reason why rally cars do sideways in corners on gravel, rather than doing a raceline from trackracing !
it is all about the speed and the corner you have to go into, what matters is the "friction" on the surface, it has to overcome the force of the speed to make the car leave its "straight line" and do the corner.. Flooring the impreza in a corner being sideways, you put more friction on the ground and the car will do the corner..
So basically, use the brakes, not just the throttle? duh?
pretty much
bottom line move the weight forward so you can steer, hauling @$$ in the turn makes your front end light that you can't steer hence the car is not going where one wants it, slowing down on the turn causes weight to shift forward where the primary steering tires are located
lesson use the brakes if you want to slow down in the turn :D
No just floor it if ur in a rwd car
Fake, rally drivers doesnt use brake... (just kidding)
so...slow down before you turn? I want my five minutes back!!!
I already knew breaking is the most important thing when it comes to racing cars you just wasted 3:04 of my life