House of Commons erupts into complete chaos over Gaza ceasefire vote
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- Speaker Lindsay Hoyle comes under fire after allowing a Labour motion on the Gaza ceasefire vote to be voted on.
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Our parliament has become an absolute embarrasement to our country.
No it has not. It's robust and lively. Not boring at all.
Yes. It’s an embarrassment to England.
Thats why it needs to be scrapped and a new system that actually works for us brought in
Our parliament reflects the low morality and selfishness of our country.
@@alanniven-qq6tj There is good. The people in power do not represent the people. This is the problem.
The last person to enter Parliament with a clear moral purpose was Guy Fawkes in 1605.
I think Sir Winston Churchill was another one..❤
Today they have no moral purpose it’s purely a monetary purpose to make as much cash and favour as they can.
The cleaners are probably pretty sound as well
Oh, how original 🥱
@@ChristineFisher123 Great PM for WWII but that's it
This is pathetic! A group of six year olds wouldn't behave this childish!
get 99% of them out, get rid of the house of lords. reform the voting system
Who's going to write them? Have you ever seen legislation and who writes them. Unfortunately, people have used our own legislation against us
None of THESE plebs command my RESPECT; NONE
It was Scottish Nationalist opposition day. So they put up a motion. The government usually doesn't approve of such things, so puts up an Amendment to defeat the motion. Then everyone votes up or down on the Amendment and the amended motion.
What does not normally happen is for another opposition party to be called to amend the original opposition motion, which is what the Speaker did.
The point is that the Labour Party was going to split right down the middle when voting on the SNP's original motion. By allowing Labour to move an Amendment, that means Labour can unite behind their own Amendment. Thus, the Speaker could be seen to have helped Labour avoid a policy split, which would have embarrassed its leader.
The Speaker is not meant to invent new rules of procedure to help one political party like that.
You have a Union Jack profile picture and the name of an American muscle car; You have no respect from me.
@@baloodarling486 b-b-bad to the bone
It is utterly pathetic that these parties have tried to trip each other up on such a serious subject. They are ALL an embarrassment to decency and democracy.
SNP have been saying the same thing for months and abided by the rules.
@@julianshepherd2038What no drinking water unless it has whisky in?
Well said
@@Daverocks-zp3khyour having a laugh mate,I'm in Glasgow and SNP lovers don't even use water to bathe let alone put in a whisky.too busy sticking things in their veins
@@John-du6ec They inject whisky?
THIS is NOT BRITAINS PRIORITY.
It is a legacy of our history for better or worse.
It’s our historical responsibility to debate this issue as we allowed the creation of this mess.
Politicians should stop getting caught up on semantics and act with Vigour.
Unfortunately they are only concerned about their own backs.
Altruism dies a slow death…..
t's a debate about a major world issue - that could potentially affect us all. Parliament also debates 'home' issues. That's how it works.
We are all doomed...
"Given up governing" sums it all up nicely.
Dad's Army the undertaker.
Private Frazer
@@julianshepherd2038 That's the chap.Brilliant comedy.
no where not am ready to step in and show you how to run a country right, mind am tough all by the book
If only they got this worked up about vaccine injuries, homelessness, carbon taxes, ULEZ, 8 million a day for illegals and so on.
Well said!
Would you be whinging if the UK was facing genocide?
Why? They are not problems the people are worried about
@@alanniven-qq6tj
Would they turn their country upside down for the UK. I don't think so. The British people are totally FED up. It's about time Our government put their own people first. Yes I feel for all those countries that are fighting especially for the innocent people being caught up in the middle of it. It all needs to stop once and for all. Close our borders and Stop immigrants reaching our shores. Enough is enough.
Is that you David icke ?
What a bunch of clowns! It's not even as if anything they decide will make a scrap of difference to Gaza; rather it's all about gaining the favour, and therefore the votes, of the relevant ethnic communities in the UK, without at the same time appearing to be biased toward or against either.
It's about being a worthwhile citizen, upholding international law and not being a selfish psychopath, mate.
@@alanniven-qq6tj When did politicians ever care about that?
@@davidporter5243 I agree that their are only a handful of decent politicians in power, nowadays, but politicians are voted in by the people. The people deserve some of the blame for the damage done to the UK in recent decades, by politicians they elected, as do party members who make the final selection of candidates. Look at the selfishness and racism that led to election of Boris Johnson, by the country, when Rory Stuart was an alternative candidate. Look at the blind greed for unfunded tax cuts that led to the election of Liz truss and how that back fired. The selfishness, gullibility, laziness and ignorance of the electorate is to blame for the garbage selection of candidates we have in both major parties. Their is no easy fix to this, but sorting out the electorate is our only hope.
The reason we saw a vote to end Israels genocide is months of campaigning, protesting, letter writing and sacrifice by decent people of all stripes. A portion of the electorate forced two immoral, complicit parties, kicking and screaming to vote for something resembling a ceasefire, that neither wanted That's how democracy should work. All the lazy, selfish, resentful racists and Islamophobes who who complain about their pet issues not getting the same attention seem to forget they did nothing to deserve it or earn it.
@@alanniven-qq6tj I totally agree, but it's hard to see how it's ever going to change.
@@davidporter5243 Both our main parties are currently testing the water to see how far they can defy the will of the people in the UK, on an issue as important as genocide, after a ruling by the highest court on the planet. When both parties agree on the same deeply unpopular, genocidally complicit course, it seems they can get away with it for months or even indefinately.
What ordinary voters still defending this genocide, while grumbling about the amount of attention it receives don't realise, is that a government with zero humanity, zero respect for the rule of law and zero integrity, can just as easily turn on its own population when challenged by it. When things get so bad in the UK, that well intentioned people protesting against genocide now fear their own leaders and are branded 'Hamas sympathisers' and 'terrorist sympathisers', everyone is threatened. How much of a democracy we have left at the end of this conflict remains to be seen, but it's the people protesting on the streets who are upholding it, not the blind cheerleaders for genocide complaining about charity beginning at home.
Like a Monty Python sketch. God help us.
We the voters have no confidence in the entire Parliament full stop
We should show this 'no vote of confidence' by not voting at the general election
@@woodlandlady7011 Bad idea. They would love you to do that, so they can remain in power. Vote them out in your area or at the very least turn up and spoil your ballot. Doing nothing just helps them.
Why stop at being a voter then? why not stand?
Glad our elected representatives, whose wages we pay, are focusing on what is important.
And behaving like responsible adults.
I'm new to satire but I've been lavished with many good observations the last few years 😂😂😂😂 thankyou and may Jesus and the holy spirit bless your path
'Focused on' avoiding accountability for it, so they can carry on supporting it.
@@davelewis7098 Never understimate the power of denial.
I fully get that, But it is kind of f'd up what's happening. I'd rather go defend gaza than Ukraine. But so true we got huge issue at home right now, Especially with all the boots landing daily and all the special treatment they are getting.
Yes keep shouting as it shows the wider public what absolute idiots we have running the country.
I am 78 yrs and never been so disgusted by the petty point scoring by these MP,s
For goodness sake this is peoples lives they are supposed to be deciding. Shame Shame Shame
But they are not deciding are they? Hamas ain’t stopping, and Israel ain’t stopping no matter what UKMPs vote for.
@@jamessouth3808ain't this the truth.
What's going on in Parliament is just a political sideshow to avoid more pressing issues on the home front, two of which involves tens of thousands of people per annum.
@@jamessouth3808 Ugh! Einstein, the UK needs to have a consensus on this in order to move forward.
@hilarygrimwood4157 Nice to know there are people with some humanity left.
@@desoliver9712 how you know my 2nd name? there’s never gonna be a consensus. To many people hate the Jewish. Move forward to what?
I’m seriously tired of our government caring about everyone but it’s own people.
When will you waken up to the fact that 'our government' only care for itself. The only reason our government is arguing today over Gaza is pressure from decent people in the UK. If you only whinge and moan, don't expect your government to lift a finger for you.
absolutely... and why the continuing funding of the Ukraine conflict knowing that Boris stopped the peace process with Russia?
Oh dear you haven’t been watching it’s the other side causing the issue 🙄😉
@@lot1008us1have you even been watching you seem to have no understands at all
The Tories care for nobody unless they're rich or they can get something out of it.
What a pitty that they can not be as passionate about looking after the British people.
Britain started the mess in Palestine with the Balfour declaration. If you make a mess, you have to fix it.
@@alanniven-qq6tj🥱🥱😴😴
Or education.
*pity
@@alanniven-qq6tj Not really, Britain that started that is long gone now, the people are long gone the power Britain had is long gone.
@@michaelprobert4014 If you forcibly displace hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their ancestral home, it's unacceptable to say it happened a long time ago, so we can wash our hands of it, especially given that the effects of that crime are the root cause of the genocide in Palestine today. Furthermore, the UK has supported Israels apartheid regime for decades, ignoring dozens of UN resolutions against Israel and the UK still supports Israel even now. The UK is currently providing Israel with weapons, intelligence and political cover for its genocide in Gaza. So if you want to spend 100 years working against the Palestinian people and continue to work against them, don't complain when the majority of the British electorate demand an end to the genocide. The UK is steeped in Blood over this one.
This is an absolute shitshow. Get our country in order before interfering in the affairs of another.
Britain created the mess in Palestine. No point complaining when these messes come back to bite us...
Get our country sorted you lot
Not a chance. There's not a leader among them.
@@JelMain populism has a pretty poor history as an advocate for world peace.
@@chrisg9627 So you prefer aristocracy? That's even worse.
Our country spent decades meddling and killing Muslims in far away Muslim countries. Don't be surprised then,that what goes around comes around.
If you ever wondered what happened to the characters from the Muppet Show…
a was thinking more like spiting image
As if a vote about ceasefire is going to do anything at all,concentrate on our country!!!
@garryclarke6866 'Our country' started this mess. What goes around comes around.
Britain started this mess (Balfour Declaration, Mandate, etc) AND is directly supportive of war crimes so deeply implicated.
Our Government and all party's should be embarrassed of them self's .
Hoyle with Starmer's help has brought the house into disrepute...
How about sorting out UK issues
Good idea, then create no mess in the world and get on with your won issues.
How about Stop invading other countries and then complaining ???? UK IS involved everywhere it is not needed plz leave us alone and then maybe u can focus on your own issues? Look Gary its pretty straight forward maybe start a petition out syd downing Street asking ur PM and government to stop causing war everywhere and killing children and focus on the needs of the country ?
The mess in Palestine is a UK issue. We forced the creation of Israel. What goes around comes around.
Should have been the SNP"s day but Labour took it over ......... What a joke going on about fairness and equality and then push out the SNP .........Disgusting
So....the Tories are allowed to put in an amendment but Labour isn't?
Because that's what the arguement was....that Labour shouldn't have their amendment put up for discussion but the Tories should.
Amendments to a motion are standard. Not allowing one side to have their amendment but allowing the government to have theirs is the disgusting part.
Just what i would expect from someone as Bias as you
@@ConradRDakarn What part don't you understand about it being an SNP motion and they were using one of their allocated opposition days of debate ( a day that could have been used better debating things for Scotland like it being made the dumping ground for illegal immigrants)?
@@thethrawnscotsman5260 What part of the Tories putting in an amendement didn't you understand?
The Tories put forth an amendment to the SNP motion.....Labour put forth an amendment to the SNP motion. The Tories was picked AND the Labour one was picked.
The only problem seems to be with the fact that Labour's was picked.....completely ignoring the fact that the Tories put in an amendment which was ALSO picked.
Are you also not aware that ANY motion by ANY party can have amendments put forth by other parties. That's how it works. Do you not understand this process?
It's not the SNPs day to completely dominate parliament and ONLY have their voice heard. It's their day to table a motion...which they did....and the house participate exactly as it's suppose to. Then the Tories and Labour, as is their right, tabled amendments for debate and vote.....just like, on any other day, the SNP can table an amendment for debate and vote to another Party's motion.
1:41 getting threatened by protesters,, ,, letting them rule our country, pick a side and go over and fight for your side,
Shouldn't even be discussed in our parliament. Speaker clearly being political, when he shouldnt be.
How hard is it to do a vote on a Ceasefire on Gaze war . The hole World know's that Children and mothers are women are dying . It's a No for a full Ceasefire or a Yes for a Full Ceasefire . Just get on with your job what people pay u to do
SNP, allegedly, only want Israel to lay down arms.
Your right. Lots of people forgetting that the UK started this mess by forcing the creation of the state of Israel. What goes around, comes around.
Embarrassing the lot of them
They've been behaving like this for too long
So, they are more concerned about Gaza over people in the UK who are struggling to pay their energy bills? Good job everyone!
things were different in the old days had to make do with what you had 60 plus years ago even the mps lived in council houses
From this debacle and spectacle, Parliament should be immediately suspended and a general election called at the earliest opportunity. Tonight clearly proves that neither side is currently fit to debate, vote or run this country. It's shameful watching this third world politicking in our (the peoples) parliament - Shameful.
The argument was made that the Government could not carry its Foreign Policy, any more than that it could carry it's Budget under Liz Truss, and should go.
And we vote for who ,all they are interested in is Palestine getting in more migrants ,and increasing tax ?
Reform UK
@@welshmanjay Are not going to help. Nobody, yourselves included, gives a damn for the common people.
That isn't how it works 🙄
What a Circus
What a shambles. It seems that labour MPs are being threatened with their lives in their own constituencies to vote a certain way. So the speaker gave them a get out clause. There are so many things wrong with this decision and has made things much worse for everyone. The speaker must resign.
is that not how a democracy work? our representatives say something we dont like so we let them know we dont like it and make them change
@@buhbuh305 Yeah but not threatened with their lives mate
@@unmastered6154 whos threatening whos life?
@@buhbuh305 protestors threatening MPs
f-ing Clown show.
This plays much better to the Benny Hill theme tune
(From the USA) this is beautiful. I love the debate in public for all to see...
What an absolute load of tosh wasting so much parliamentary time debating a foreign war that British MPs have very little influence over. Better spend their time focusing on matters that actually affect the people that elect them.
Why is the House of Commons debating and voting on ceasefire in Israel/Gaza ?
Speakers true colors have come out today 😅
Which are?
Labour. He’s been in Labour Party his whole life, as was his father. Even if he genuinely wasn’t showing bias, it looks like he was.
If only our politicians paid as much attention to the deplorable state of this country as they pay to Gaza and Israel. Which currently doesn’t impact this country.
Ha ha. Do you have any more jokes? Israeli intelligence agencies run our home office, NHS & DWP. They know who you are, where you live, all your personal data, your every move and your complete health & tax records. They know your relatives, where they live, your family history, your projected pension and any religion you may or may not follow. Time to get real & wake from your sedation. Are you scared yet? You should be.
Britain started the problem of Palestine and Israel by giving away a land that already had people living in it to european zionists.
As for 'currently'
Britain benefits off the exploitation of Palestine e.g. stolen oil in Gaza, just to name one of many.
As well as sending millions (potentially) billions of pounds to Israel in aid and military as well as weapons for decades.
All british citizens should be angered that british tax payers money fund Israels apartied, genocide, free health care + education etc,
Whereas Brits do not have free education, many live from pay cheque to pay cheque and the NHS is in debt.
Selfishly said!
It's strange that it seems to be affecting it right now.
@@alanniven-qq6tj "Selfishly said!" said the blind man.
These are all unelectable people. It’s a real pity that they can’t get just as passionate about fixing the many problems we have in this country, as opposed to being overly interested in a country hundreds of miles away. They should all be ashamed of themselves. This is a waste of British taxpayers money.
It's the same all over Europe. Elected governments are more concerned about foreign wars, the welfare of asylum seekers, global warming, BLM, LGBT rights in the middle East, in fact anything other than housing, schools, health, employment, and infrastructure for their own electorate.
EXCEPT THEY ARE ELECTED
The British caused what is going on in Gaza and the wider Middle East! They should stop interfering with the business of other nations and stop being the US's sidekick, ready to send its young men to die fighting another country's wars!
They also waste our tax payers money on Israel and Ukraine whilst some of us can't even heat our homes.
The 'country' in question was created by our countries elites via the Balfour Declaration and the termination of Mandatory Palestine.
Never mind wanting to respect all MP's. What about the tax payers
It's not our war why should our gov have a vote.
The UK started this mess with the Balfour declaration, when imperial Britain kicked Palestinians off their land, to give to Jews they didn't want in the UK. It supported the mess for decades, as the Israelis persecuted Palestinians and now it wants to help Israel commit genocide. Did you do anything to protest against any of this? If not, don't be surprised if what goes around comes around.
It is our war. The colonial UK forced the creation of Israel.
Get that speaker out of there
The RAT 🐀 house
I somehow feel like the Tories would have been a lot better off if they'd put Penny in as leader.
You and I both.
Totally agree
The Tories are beyond hope whoever they have as "leader".
What does it tell you about Starmer to bully some one like that. He must be really desperate to get the Muslim vote back to win the GE. Get rid of Starmer now.
Starmers not getting the Muslim vote, or the anti-genocide vote.
Be better off if our countries things were sorted before wasting time on other countries troubles
Our country is at the root of this trouble, starting with the Balfour declaration and now supporting genocide. What goes around comes around.
Meanwhile a million immigrants in last year alone against the democratic wishes of the people and contrary to manifesto promises.
Abd no-one there said a word...Stinks doesn't it
Pointing out the obvious to you, with the destruction of Gaza continuing there will be thousands added to the flow of refugees.. So stopping the war is 100% in our interests
You would never had this with Betty in charge of the house.
eyeballs to the left nostrils to the right, the fella who a bought me car off is called micheal crawford and his friend is called frank, yu couldnt write it could you , mind you he is an excellent body worker and paint sprayer always mixes the correct RAL code to match existing
It's amazing that a CEASEFIRE can cause such an issue.
A ceasefire that Hamas & Israel will ignore.
Its amazing some British MPs think they have any power on the matter.
@burdusound It's amazing that some can't be arsed that a genocide is taking place and just want to poo poo the effort of others
It's like monty python 😅😅😅
How dare you! I challenge you to a fish slapping duel.
Only much less funny
more like spitting image
I’m no SNP fan but they were totally shafted
And these clowns tell us to trust them . 😅😅😅😅
"Nakba 1948, 750000 Palestinians driven from their homes or murdered!!!!!!!!!"
Was that because they started a war against jews AGAIN?
wasn't that the first attempt to drstroy israel? Well if you loose that war that is what you get
They started a war and they lost. Like today
The ottomans lost
Here is some simple, checkable, information.
Before Israel or Jordan were declared countries there were about 2 million people in the area 27% Jews 66% Arab (1947 British Palestine mandate, after fall of Ottoman Empire). The aim was to re-establish the individual countries that had been there before.
Jordan, West Bank and Gaza (about 4/5 of the land) given to the Arabs. Israel (17% ) to the Jews. Jews are now 28% of the population in that area.
French mandate, divided that area into Syria and Lebanon, there were many Jews living in those areas too but none of that was given to Jews. The land was divided not stolen.
Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, they destroyed 26 synagogues. Evicted 1,700 families to Israel from the land that they had bought and developed including 166 intensive farms ( mostly poly tunnels which you can see on satellite imagery but are now poorly managed). Gaza voted for Hamas and have been self governing since then. They receive the highest level of aid per person in the world but haven’t built any power or water plants since so Israel has been supplying since then even after 2012 when they stopped paying for the supply of electricity.
If this isn’t the impression you have then show me where the data is wrong or admit that you have heard propaganda repeated often.
Jews are 0.2% of the world in 0.013% of the land
1250ad was a bad year for the Byzantines 620ad was a really bad year for everyone@@des8039
The government is in chaos and are not first for purpose and we should stop funding this government until we get a value for money government who work for the people who ate employed buy the people
???????????/
You are correct about the government, but not on this issue, this carnage is all about the speaker favouring Labour (he is formerly Labour by the way), and Labour trying to amend the SNPs bill.
You can scream all you want ceasefire ceasefire but the truth is Hamas and isreal will not abide by it unfortunately the Gazans and Israeli civilians are the ones to suffer 😔
Not doing anything to restrain the country that has been charged with plausibly committing genocide, by the ICJ, is the weakest response.
@@alanniven-qq6tj I hope you are including Hamas in your rather anti Israeli comment do you think they would abide by a ceasefire or anything the icj say I won't hold my breath 😔
Shame the conservatives are not so concerned with the state of this country as they are with gaza
They barely discuss Gaza ( and this was an SNP motion )
I 'am a teacher and when I try to teach the same lesson 10 times and no one listens to the lesson I am forced to think is there something wrong with the lesson or the teacher, order order nr65, dupiaza pillua rice 2 pompedoms mushroom pillau is there a rishi sunack in the house, theres a immigrant outside uber delivery service, a should be on the comedians like these lot
😂😂embarrassing. And our collective leaders want to take on Russia 😂😂.
Lucy Powell is as much use as a chocolate fireguard
Oh Lucy
glass eye in the dark ,maybe
I'm absolutely disgusted, the speaker and Stamer must go.
We have no parliament untill they have gone.
There is no more neutrality in the speaker of the house.
I agree. Kid Starver must go!
What tripe.
Who doesn't love Penny Mordant?? Why isn't she Prime Minister??? She is a power house
Britain in Palestine 1917-1948 investigates the contradictory promises and actions which defined British Mandatory rule in Palestine and laid the groundwork for the Nakba (the catastrophe) and the creation of the state of Israel in 1948. The roots of the contemporary social, political, economic, and environmental landscape of Palestine and Israel can be traced back to this period, making it essential viewing for understanding Britain’s legacy in the region and the situation on the ground today.
🥱🥱😴😴
Yea, just like Britain's intervention in Germany 1945.
Get over it
That comment is not going to help the situation today.
Here is some simple, checkable, information.
Before Israel or Jordan were declared countries there were about 2 million people in the area 27% Jews 66% Arab (1947 British Palestine mandate, after fall of Ottoman Empire). The aim was to re-establish the individual countries that had been there before.
Jordan, West Bank and Gaza (about 4/5 of the land) given to the Arabs. Israel (17% ) to the Jews. Jews are now 28% of the population in that area.
French mandate, divided that area into Syria and Lebanon, there were many Jews living in those areas too but none of that was given to Jews. The land was divided not stolen.
Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, they destroyed 26 synagogues. Evicted 1,700 families to Israel from the land that they had bought and developed including 166 intensive farms ( mostly poly tunnels which you can see on satellite imagery but are now poorly managed). Gaza voted for Hamas and have been self governing since then. They receive the highest level of aid per person in the world but haven’t built any power or water plants since so Israel has been supplying since then even after 2012 when they stopped paying for the supply of electricity.
If this isn’t the impression you have then show me where the data is wrong or admit that you have heard propaganda repeated often.
Jews are 0.2% of the world in 0.013% of the land
Penny Mordaunt should be the leader of the Conservative Party
What a load of bolloxs
That lady spoked with confidence because she spoke the laws and standing orders of the house.
Children calm down
kids in the playground
A ceasefire is not in anyones interests? What about the children who desperately need aid, who are dying and starving? For goodness sake, what are we doing?
Shameful Hypocrites!
Why is there not any kind of security in place to remove anyone who consistently interrupts multiparty governmental discussions like this? It seems obvious but...
Get him out....
As loveable as they all are, since when did they start protecting UK interests before Israels'?
From "House of Commons" to "House of Comedy" ... 🙄😌
if the longstanding accepted convention is that the speaker does not add ammended motions to an opposition-day motion, why bother putting forward those ammendments in the first place ?
It seemed to be a mess of their own making.
Amidst shadows cast by the sun’s retreat,
The public’s voice, a tempest, fierce and fleet,
With fervent tongues, they weave their discontent,
Against the occupying regime’s intent.
Leaders, once bold, now whisper in the night,
Their voices hushed, their courage taking flight,
Afraid to rouse the tempest’s raging gale,
As senseless killings leave a scarred, blood-soaked trail.
But truth, a beacon, steadfast in its glow,
Shall pierce the darkness, melt the ice and snow,
When will they rise, these leaders bound by fear?
To stand as one, and wipe away each tear.
For in the heart of silence, seeds are sown,
A revolution blooms, a truth unshown,
And when the sun ascends with golden grace,
They’ll find their voices, and the world shall trace.
Why is Penny Mordaunt dressed like an admiral?
We're meant to swallow the good ship lollypop nonsense
Surely it is immaterial what Penny Mourdant decided to wear today ...but what she does have in bucket loads ..and very much lacking among female members in the House ...is that rarity called 'CLASS' ...
At least she is not shoving her Busoms out like that TROLLOPE Rayner.
Everyone in that place is an embarrassing person
VOTE REFORM
In absolute seriousness can someone explain why this was such a huge deal? The way it's being reported on makes it seem extremely important so I would be grateful for someone shedding light on this.
Because the collapse into anarchy shows the real state of Parliament.
The normal procedure would be for the SNP to move a motion and the government to neuter it by amendment.
But then half the Labour Party would want to support the SNP and the Starmer half would vote with the government to down it.
The Speaker has allowed the Labour Party to propose their *own* amendment to the SNP's motion. That means everyone in Labour can vote for their own Amendment and thereby neatly avoid looking like a split from top to toe Party on the issue.
The Speaker defied precedent in letting Labour move an Amendment to another opposition party's motion. It _looks_ as if he got all novel and imaginative in order to help Keir Starmer not look completely hopeless and in disarray. That's political favouritism and hence why SNP and Conservatives are both outraged.
The rumour is also that the Speaker did the favour for Starmer because Starmer made it clear that if he didn't, Hoyle wouldn't be Speaker after the next election, when the Labour Party expects to get a thumping majority ...and the consequent right to pretty much have the Speaker of their choice. That makes it look like _venial_ Party political favouritism, which is adding to the outrage.
@@dizwell Thank you for the very clear explanation!
@@dizwellthe SNP only fought this because they saw it as a wedge against the Labour party. They hold NO moral high ground.
@@andrewmark2783 I don't hold any candles for the SNP (as an English Australian, you probably wouldn't expect me to!), but it was their day and they're supposed to be allowed to propose whatever motions they want to debate and be voted on. If they're doing it because they care about Gaza, fine. If they're doing it to try to wedge the Labour party apart, also fine. The point is, or was, that it should have been their agenda, their motion, their vote, regardless of motives. Labour and the Speaker turned it into Labour's day, and only Labour's amended motion was voted on.
It's like a bloody kindergarten in that House! 😡
All this waffling in for a country they don’t represent! SORT OUR COUNTRY OUT
Red and Blue both today showed the people of Scotland nothing but utter contempt.
For your children and your grandchildren put religious differences to sleep for that is all that is stopping our country from being its own boss,,not an expansion of england.
It would be the same Uniparty sham as 'british democracy'.
MPs need to be truly accountable and people need to become hardened to manipulation.
it's all right for scotland with virtually zero migrants , england have to tread carefully with these racist groups attacking one another.......Muslim /Hindu etc
Bore off - this is about Palestine, not Scotland!
Totally ignoring the issues that affect most people in this country. New people. new organisations, new parties, new mindsets are needed in that august establishment. This is another sideshow whilst they pull their salaries and make plans for their accommodation with the new post election regime. Cromwell return, clear them out.
The UK created this mess in Palestine by forcing the creation of the state of Israel, kicking Palestinians off their ancestral land. There's no use crying that it has come back to bite us. The sins of the father are born by the children.
When the politicians of a distanced class made some very grand geopolitical arrangements many years ago my immediate unfranchised forefathers and mothers were probably too busy working themselves to death in mills, mines, steelworks and getting shot at in wars not created or approved of by them. To suggest that some biblical judgement be set against a whole nation because of the decisions of a set of wealthy self-serving idiots is plainly wrong, but oddly the idiots are still with us and still more concerned with their own careers than anyone else. @@alanniven-qq6tj
And how about the governments responsibility to the British people, do they not work for us.
Imperial colonial Britain shouldn't have caused this mess in the first place, by forcing the creation of Israel on other peoples land. What goes around, comes around.
Utterly disgusting! They play while we suffer.
The Sterling cross rates are atrocious
We need a vote of no confidence in ALL MP's
This Country is broken beyond repair. Complete breakdown of what we used to be.
Has penny not heard of proroguing?
Shame on the members of the members of the Houses of Parliament
Once a great nation embarrassed by this lot of jokers. Shame on you!
House of Commons? More like the House of Chaos! Deplorable!!!
It's a free Muppet Show
The new Maggie is doing what she knows best blame someone else and be economical with the truth
Who even are all these muppets?
Pity they don’t realise that they are our servents.
Clowns of the house
Its a bit rich talking about convention when the current government illegally prorogued parliament
Hmm. I was always of the opinion that proroguing Parliament was an exercise of the Royal prerogative, over which no court has jurisdiction.
Obviously, the Supreme Court thought differently, so you are technically correct that it was illegal (the best sort of correct, of course). But there's at least a plausible case that the Court was wrong; or, failing that, that Boris legitimately _thought_ the prorogation was legitimate.
Anyway, this break of convention has to do with the House's own rules, so the breach of Erskine May precedent is much more obviously a bit "off". It doesn't require judicial scrutiny to work out it flies in the face of precedent and convention, in other words.