The V6 turbo diesel Landcruiser 300 oil consumption problem | Auto Expert John Cadogan
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“Oh what a feeling” ooof. Burst out laughing at that sign off. It’s gotta hurt the yoda followers.
Back for service every 3 months?
Toyota are trying to be as reliable as Merc...
and just to remind people what you said a year ago...
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I'm curious as to what abomination do you drive? Fart driven Ford? Long winded kia? Obviously you are the auto expert, you must drive the best of the shit boxes...
I just wish they reverted to a straight six, solves all the issues of inlet and exhaust plumbing, plus it's an inherently more balanced engine over a V6. Call me a dinosaur but the old 1HZ engine, you couldn't kill it with an axe. I drove 3000km unwittingly with a cracked head in my old 80 series and it never missed a beat.
Agree!! Drove a Patrol GQ straight 6 diesel with a cracked head for 9 months, and only occasional hard starting was a problem. Drove like normal otherwise.
Drove my supposed "grenade" zd30 with a cracked head for over a year daily and only put a new one in because I had a spare lying around 😂
Interestingly enough Mazda are now releasing new models with an inline 6 cylinder.
@@RealHooksy No, 110km/hour from Karratha to Perth and back again with the air con on. A trip of 1600km each way, so what can I say, a tough old beast.
The old straight 6 was modified by Yamaha to marine application. Even in that application they still going strong 30 years later.
What about the knock on effects? DPF blockages, EGR combined with engine oil sludging of intake system and tailpipe emissions.
Agreed. Imagine what the back of the intake valves and ports would look like burning 2 litres of oil between service intervals! Toyota are going to end up on John's hit list very shortly the way they are going.
My FJ40 started buring oil not long after I purchased it... Granted, it had already done 476 thousand k's 😅
PMSL......classic.
Great car, SWB?
@Jim Graham Indeed, an 84 petrol 2F with pwr steering and disk brakes! My mate had the BJ with the 3 litre diesel... That was a slug of thing with woeful drum brakes 😆
My 3f 80 series did the same thing at 370,000
My GQ TD42 ute now has well over 500K on it. I've had it 20 years. Have yet to put oil in between changes. Mind you, I change the oil and filters every 5000.....
Well that throws up a few questions John, They say it uses 1.7 litres of oil between service intervals but did you realise that the standard service interval is 6 months or 10k not 12 months as you mentioned. That makes the problem look a whole lot worse. Why wasn’t this picked up during development. Who pays for the extra oil? Will Toyota supply a bottle of oil incase you need to top up on the way to DPC? Why isn’t the EPA all over this like a fat kid on a hotdog? With potentially thousands of 300 series all burning oil, that’s a lot of pollution. What happens, if, after 12 months it still burns oil? I don’t understand how a hot V can work in a vehicle that might be lugging a heavy load, in slow off road conditions on a stinking hot day. Anything plastic is going to disintegrate at a rapid pace. If I bought one the first thing I would do is vent the bonnet. As the old saying goes: never buy the first of a new model, it’s better to buy the last of the old model.
Yeah and what will all that oil burning do to the cat and DPF?
Good questions. I see this as disaster for DPC population.
Yep. The questions were rolling through my head when I saw the '6-month' service interval.
Does any other 'car' ask for the same short interval?
@@sparkyoc6766 Hey Sparky, I don’t really mind the short service interval, although it makes it an expensive oil change, but this oil burning is just BS considering all the hype Toyota threw out there about the massive amount of testing done in the harsh Australian environment.
@@nigelalderman9178 Good point Nigel, and who pays for that if and when they fail?
Oil drinking is not the only issue. Unfortunately. Many owners report DPF problems, turbo issues, poorly designed doors and air box system that doesn't stop dusting. Car going into limp mode.
Sounds like Landrover quality….😅
Wouldn’t that make you cry 😢
I had a 2003 Toyota Hilux ute with the 3.4L petrol V6 and I changed the oil every 5K and sold it at 435K's & it still didn't use a drop between oil changes. Great motor.
87 oil changes. 40 unrequired.
@@rjbiker66 Oil is cheap, engines are not.
@dustyfarmer that engine would last as long with the normal oil change interval.
220L of additional oil is how much?
@@rjbiker66 Sure thing, mate. If you had any idea what you are talking about you'd also know that early oil changes are required before the recommended intervals if certain operating situations are experienced. That's the difference between a worn out engine at 400K & one that is still going strong. Early Hilux's were notorious for seizing if the oil changes were skipped or left too long as many found out. And the cost of the extra oil? Sweet .F. all, because I'd buy in bulk when it was on sale at half price.
Great work JC. I think you did mention in a post years ago that you expected this hot v engine to be problematic in service, and now we know you called it.
Huh? The 200 burnt oil too when first released
Every reason he gave for the oil burning had nothing to do with the hot v.
So oil burning is considered ok because its a Toyota?
@@danielolivieri1351 did you even watch the video? Its explained very clearly that even a simpleton like you might be able to understand.
@@82muli I was warned by everyone when I bought my new 200 series that they burnt excess oil. 327,000klm later i have recently got my 300 series. Same crap.
That list covers what OEMs say for when you should service your vehicle half as often too. Because the long interval is because of marketing.
It's reminding me of the vt series 2 LS1 when introduced, they burnt oil and every owner in Australia complained it seems. In America, same motor but they didn't complain.
20,000 interval is nuts for oil change intervals though! The trucks I maintain are 20,000km/500hr intervals have 36l sumps and use 4-6l in between servicing.
A work mate has a Kia SUV thing with lowish kms, it's at the due kms for servicing and I topped it up 2l, so I really do think service intervals are too long...
Change the filter, and top up the oil. Perpetual oil change mastered.
Yet other manufacturers do it,
Australian spec LS1 had different pistons.
the ls1 also had piston slap issues 😂
@@paulmcintosh5589 open any car manual with the car, they will all list the same things and recommend the earlier oil change. Pretty much any car that lives in the suburbs and sits in heavy traffic needs to be serviced half as often. It's not just on the land cruiser or Toyota.
Thumbs up for the bin cam
But I feel it would be just like Russell Coight shaking hands
Imagine the same shot over and over or throwing a white piece of paper and a blue piece goes in the bin
Thanks John. I was at the dealership last weekend mulling over one. You just saved me upwards of 100k. Was going to upgrade my 19yr old vehicle which I've owned since new. I will just keep driving it instead. Yes it is a Toyota.
Y62
Smart decision I think.
Smart choice, maintaining an old faithful will still be cheaper than 6 figures for a lemon
I was actually waiting for the dpf 7th injector failure video.
Maybe next month.
When the land cruiser burns oil where dose it go? O that’s right, into the dpf or out the tail pipe and onto the front of your nice shiny portapoty.
Toyota should take a leaf out of land rovers book and just drop the oil on the road.😢
Mine had 7th injector into the dpi burn problem at 17k. Waiting for parts from Japan to rectify.
Being an old school motor mechanic, I could see all of this coming when given information on the "Hot Vee" engine design. I made these concerns known to the owner of a Toyota Dealership, I was assured the engines were thoroughly tested before release. As most of us would know, heat rises and unfortunately the heat from this "Hot Vee" engine design has nowhere to go, one can only imagine the heat soak after shutdown and the effects of said heat on engine components and seals. I will be keeping my very low Km 2019 LandCruiser 200 VX thank you very much!
When the 200series was released back in 2007, owners complained that they used oil as well.
@@philg2468 True mate but this "Hot Vee" is something else though. The amount of heat is incredible and the heatsoak makes it worse.
There was a fault with the vacuum pump.
@@jasonmcginn4966 On which vehicle mate?
@@danielbrown4133 the early 200 series. 2007 -2008
Maybe the “fix” is just using the next grade up viscosity spec oil. For example our Subaru Forester used a lot on the recommended 0w-20 oil. Since switching to 5w-30 I consider the oil consumption to be normal. Many experienced mechanics like myself would recommend a slightly thicker oil to fix oil consumption issues. It seems manufacturers in the push for better fuel consumption and lower emissions have specified too thin oil spec rather than a grade that would be better for use in Australian conditions.
Great point. I'd like to know what spec it is for the new V6TT, and I'd bet my bollocks that it is much thinner than the 'old' 4.5l V8. My 2022 Camry hybrid came filled with 0W-16 from factory, which is like water.
Are there any downsides for using 5W-30?
I own an e-boxer and change oil twice a year. Summer is hot in Japan so it makes sense in my ignorant head to use thicker oil when the temps outside are 15 deg at lows and 40 deg at highs…
@@valdius85 the only downsides would be slightly worse fuel consumption. IF it doesn't get below freezing where you are then 5W-30 would be fine (imo).
Absolutely. I run a higher spec in my 6.6L Duramax, used 0.5L per 10,000kms on the lighter oil, now uses only about 200mL if that, not worth topping up. Even 500mL out of 10L is insignificant, for a truck pulling heavy loads.
exactly what they choose is okay in europe and japan its too thin for australian conditions.
actually many vehicles have a viscosity chart in the owners book have look and see where the temp overlap is.
My 91 diesel Jackaroo didn’t drink any oil at all until the rear main started leaking. Now it literally pisses oil and it still doesn’t drink that much 😂
You could imagine if a new Hyundai, Kia, or Mitsubishi had this exact same oil burning issue... We'd never hear the end of the confirmation bias implying that they are terrible vehicles from the mass media.
Toyota pay a lot to media mobs to do this.
Kia and Hyundai do have oil consumption issues here in the US.
My kia Sportage has a good drink of oil here in Australia
@@realvibephotography9706 My Ford focus uses some oil and it only has 86,000kilometers on it
Toyota engines are known to use oil and plenty of it 1.7 ltrs between changes way to high
I know it sounds somewhat counterintuitive, but low tension rings are pretty much becoming standard on new cars to reduce friction and improve fuel economy.... so yes your new vehicle is going to burn oil. On the up side there are no spark plugs to foul in a diesel engine and you get some top cylinder lubrication pretty much without buying special additives.
I'm just amazed that Toyota didn't present the oil injection as a special new feature and charge more for it.
R J with respect do you have any understanding what you are talking about ? 1) diesels have high compression ratios therefore LTR’s( low tension rings ) would instantly destroy your new diesel engine after 1 cycle of revolution- FACT, 2) the term Hot V Is a absolute nightmare because of the heat sinc effect which will destroy all your plastic components on top of the engine including your wiring harness, 3) the oil bypassing your rings will fowl your exhaust valves leading too major engine performance degradation,4) the oil/ sludge will destroy your GVT ( Turbo ), 5) the O2 sensor will get fouled leading too excessive fuel issues,6) the DPF will get so clogged with oil sludge and soot that it will be cycling excessively to the point of drinking a bucket load of fuel so as too burn off the oil/ carbon and finally if all that is not enough the life of the engine will be drastically reduced. I haven’t even touched on the real potential of excessive oil dilution and carbon scoring your bores. This is a significant issue that will end up in the courts and this time it will result in a significant recall and a massively huge fine for Toyota, along with a class action lawsuit by all the people who have purchased said vehicle and the subsequent significant devaluation of their LC300 and in some case even before they take ownership of this vehicle.
@@pheonix1758 Hi, my question is genuine, do modern diesels like what is in the LC300 use similar compression ring thickness and tension as older diesels? Your comment seems to imply that diesels can not reduce the sealing ability of the compression rings due to the high combustion pressures.
😂The pain starts when it comes time to service/replace the injectors.
The pain is avoided by not replacing them. Given the number of diesels I see around here belching smoke, it seems to be a popular approach.
I ask again. Lowering fuel consumption and fitting low tension rings reduces emissions in what way if it's burning oil?
Burn oil =high emissions!
@@pheonix1758Agree with everything you said, and I’ll add one- fuel dilution. Modern diesels are using insane injection pressure nowadays. Combine that with low tension rings, and you’re just begging for a crankcase full of fuel.
I walked into a car parts shop that I frequently visited because of the amount of km's I used to drive for business, therefore oil needed changing often, like (bi)weekly, anyway an oil representative was there and I used their oil, he asked me after being introduced to him how I liked his oil, I said "I like it but 5000km into the oil change the thing started to use oil, he said "yeah" I asked what do you mean? He said, his words" we used to make oil that lasted 20.000km but no one believed it and wouldn't use our oil for that length of time, so, we took out the expensive polymers that made it last that long, it's useless to make expensive oil last that long while no one uses it for that purpose, so now we make the oil a lot cheaper" (Not that I ever noticed that any oil actually got cheaper at all!?)
Anyway, my opinion is car manufacturers may make a claim of 20.000 km oil changes but oil companies don't make oil that lasts that long, So, 5000km oil+filter changes it is for me, and my vehicles last a bloody long time with less down time eversince!!
High oil consumption has become a problem with all modern automotive diesels with the advent of ultra low sulfur diesel fuel and ultra low sulfur diesel motor oil. These engines are developing early cylinder wall glazing because fuel and engine oil lubricity have been heavily reduced with the removal of sulfur in order to protect emissions control devices (DPFs). So the problem is emissions related. The extremely tight emissions requirements in place for diesels essentially makes them unusable for modern vehicle propulsion. The combination of high levels of exhaust recirculation to reduce NOX emissions and crankcase breather gas routing to the intake, along with very low sulfur fuel and motor oil equates to an exponential decrease in reliability and durability. Intake valves develop high levels of sludge and upper cylinder wear/glazing increases dramatically due to low lubricity "sulfur free" fuel and lubricating oil. The resultant increased blowby and oil consumption further exacerbates the breather gas/oil vapor consumption which in turn causes intake valve sludge build up to spiral upwards. Under current design technology limitations, tight emissions and overall engine durbability/reliability are proving to be mutually exclusive for modern diesel engines.
Loved the wrap-up at the end, and the final punch line.
The "operating conditions" criteria seems to be roughly along the lines of the Apple "you're holding it wrong" iPhone 4 debacle.
You definitely look better with whiskers. I think I do too. So the only time it is not using oil is while it is quietly depreciating in the garage! Mate of mine just paid $140K for a second hand one, had about 10000 on the clock I think, I better let him know to expect some oil usage.
I'm not here for my raw sex appeal.
@@AutoExpertJC I can't help it, I could never grow a decent beard and enjoy those that can, all I always wanted was a red beard and all I get is grey fluff.
@@dishevellednomad Bill Burr knows how you feel.
With news like this, perhaps even in the garage it is depreciating even faster!
The Holden Colorado had a warranty fix for excessive oil consumption
A longer dip stick
No shit that was the way Holden fixed it
Yeah that & software changes to help mask the problem, what epic cock's they were!.
Great analogy John.
On a different yet similar subject, when I bought my Yamaha outboard, the dealer said" don't worry about engine oil, these things don't use any"
It sounds a bit like the Alloytec V6. I wonder if it also has a problem with oil sludge and worn timing chains.
Hi John love your work, couldn’t agree more. One thing I generally find with OEM service workshops is they only use the minimum specification required for said vehicle. I’m sure your aware that in every vehicle owner manual there is a oil temperature specification chart.
Example, Toyota will generally fill a VDJ79 with 5w30, which would be fine in winter Victoria or Tasmania. But they still use 5w30 Synthetic in NT, QLD and hot outback towns. Then all the Cowboys running hot tunes with to much timing advance wonder why the big end bearings delaminate etc.
There is enough bearing clearance to run 15w50/60 Synthetic which reduces oil consumption and cushions the bearings. The oil chart even tells you 15w50 for up to 50 deg C.
Could you explain viscosity and temperature specification to the audience?
the rough explanation is the lower number is when the oil is cold the higher number is when hot. so for 15w 40 its the thickness of 15 when 15 is cold and the thickness of 40 when 40 is hot
and the clearances are still 2 thou when engine is warmed up so there about 5 thou when cold so for vehicles that are only driven round town and dont get up to temp they burn oil.
That's normal - says every manufacturer when they build an oil drinker.
I had a 2000 BMW M5 which drank so much oil that I had to top up the oil every 2nd time i filled up. I was told by dealer that its normal - high performance engine bla bla.
They fixed the design the following year so I traded for 2001 model. I didn't use any noticeable amount of oil.
When I asked the service manager What happened to the 'normal oil consumption' he wouldn't look me in the eye. Told him how impressed I was his honesty using strong language.
Thanks for the video J. C... Gotta love the thrusting of the 'ol D into a well greased & lubed hot V.
In R & D / preproduction testing of the cars, did they not ever run a full tank of petroleum totally threw the automobile. Surprisingly odd imho.
My first car was a HK Holden sedan, made four years after I was born. MY 1968 to be exact, with the mighty 186 red motor. My father (RIP) taught me to check the oil regularly and top it up to the full line, so as a result I was usually fairly disappointed that it never really needed any. This wasn't a vehicle that had been molly coddled either. It had obviously been thrashed, neglected, repaired by backyard mechanics, rusted out, bogged up with brickies mud (I kid you not - I bought it off a brickie) painted with a brush, and generally disabused of any semblance of automotive respect.
I also drove a Toyota Hilux 2.4D with most of the important mods for over a decade. Similarly, it didn't use any oil between servicing, and took me to to places like Dingo Piss Creek, the CREB track and "the Cape" often fording water over the bonnet. What fun! Yesssssss!
Nissans, Mazdas etc I had in between times similarly showed a distinct lack of oil use. Even Holden HQ 202 station wagons (both second and third cars) refused to drink oil despite the 202s reputation for going poopy-ina-pants if a backyard mechanic (me) got the timing terribly wrong, which I did on occasion.
These days I drive a really tiny 4WD (guess which one), looking to relive the glory days of my youth, and from a manufacturer that has been in 'Straya for decades but I haven't entertained before now. It doesn't burn any oil either, though it once used to burn it by design (hint).
Toyota mostly makes boring cars that work exceptionally well and are capable of being extremely reliable for well over 200 thousand km with nothing more than regular servicing. (I know you're not a fan, but I really don't see it). The Landcruiser 300 "hot" V6 just looks like an abomination however. A couple of litres of oil between services? Completely unacceptable, and more in line with Chrysler/GM than anything made outside of 'murica/France. The trouble with modern 4WD vehicles is that they've all somehow all turned into 'murican "trucks" including the oil usage.
Tell me I'm wrong...
Suzuki, yesss! That's my guess, I hope I don't win a new Toyota.
@@adrianzmajla4844 Hahaha yes! Jimny FTW. I can't afford to give you a Toyota, even an old one so you are safe. If I had an old Toyota that wasn't burning oil it would be worth keeping anyway.
They are all built with two things in mind, fewer services to keep the TCO (total cost of Ownership) down, and also to make them "greener", this is why they run thinner oil, it helps marginally keep the fuel consumption down, might only be by 1% or so, but with that and other things, it all adds up. They do not care about longevity anymore, as long as it reaches the end of manufacturer's warranty period. In saying that, most Red 202 motors used to go poopy in their pants at 60-70,000 miles, as did the traumatic transmission. Most new cars these days will easily get to 200,000kms without much drama, so they must be doing something better than 50 years ago.
Gotta love the Zooks. Best up the beach and great fun to bash about in. Hand in hand with all the shortys of old, the FJs, the old MQs, even the old 2door Pajs were great. The 70 series Bundera was a good one as well. Love me a shorty, wish they were not so bleedin exy today. LOL
With the current Toyota adds depicting vehicles clocking 100K, 200K up to 900K kilometers, my daughters 2009 Yaris has just over 404,000 on the clock. I service it every 7000 kilometers and it hardly uses a drop, the oil level when the oil change is due is still well within spec. Like all things, there are good ones and bad ones and everything in between.
My wife had a 2000 Yaris (Echo in Canada) that we sold with 280,000km on it. I did all the oil changes, and that car didn't use a drop between changes. Always amazed me.
In the US the Yaris is really a rebadged Mazda.
@@TheNortheastAl have heard that but it is not a re-badged Mazda in Australia
@@gregholloway2656 yep same on my 190K Yaris
@@edwardt1941 I wonder why they would do that? Thanks for the info.
Hi John,
It’d be interesting to run the oil consumption calculations for diesel engines, based on fuel consumption, as done with industrial engines.
Well John, no need to upgrade the 200 series to the 300 series. You saved me some serious money with this report. Only issue is safety ratings of the 200 vrs 300 that will force an replacement. Maybe next upgrade is to a Kia Hyundai or Mazda cx-90.
Imagine this engine over 100,000km?
Money spinner for dealerships.
if you get that. Friend of mine, his mate is a mechanic, I have met the guy, his father has a 200 series, 45,000kms, oil changed every 5,000kms, engine has gone poopy in its pants, done a conrod apparently, little man with a big hammer in the block. 3 months out of warranty, good old reliable Toyota have denied any responsibility. Despite an Automotive engineers report and video of the strip down. Yeah Nah. Thanks for nothing Toyota.
Didn't the 4.5 V8 diesel have an oil consumption problem when it first came out? Lessons learnt?😮
Absolutely. NSW wheat farmer with 5x79s V8 oil burners was advised by the dealer to "drop in, and we'll top them up for you for free".
Yes, they did. History doesnt repeat, but it does often rhyme🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
yep a litte a week round the farm was considered normal with some of thise shitheaps....
litre a week bloody small keyboard crap
Changed the 1VD-FTV piston top design mid 2011 & fixed scavenge pump issues. My 2014 VDJ79R doesn't use much between 6K service intervals. Catch can collects 100ML & the level might drop 1 or 2mm on the dipstick.
Just saw an add of the 300 saying the are showing a torture test....I recon the public is gonna cop the torture ... Thanks so much John.
Reminds me of a few articles i read on Audi advising customers that oil consumption of approximately 1L per 2000km was acceptable... Or another way, the whole oil capacity before the service interval was anywhere close to being due!
If the oil is run too long in any hot V engine the owner (or the manufacturer) is going to be faced with a huge bill. The dealership has probably had a number tieing up their service ramps for days on end while their best technician removes cracked and brittle hoses and gaskets all the way down to the valve seals in a job that takes a few days of labor requiring many small parts that all take time to order and are often delayed... All of which could have been averted with more regular oil changes.
5000kms sounds too often to me. However, if you had to physically do that job yourself you would be changing your oil every 5000kms as well.
Part of that high oil consumption may be down to the turbo('s) baking in that hot V.
A friend of mine had a Renault Espace 2.0 Turbo and he complained about high oil consumption. My advice to him was to let the car idle for a minute after a highway run so the turbo could cool down properly before shutting it down. A while later he said that my advice worked and that the oil consumption had been reduced to half the amount. And that was with a four-cylinder engine with the turbo on the side. Imagine that same turbo sitting on top of the engine, where it's significantly hotter and all of a sudden that high oil consumption makes a lot of sense. I would advise to let that engine idle for at least 2 minutes for the turbo('s) to cool down because of the excessive heat on top of the engine before shutting it down. It won't solve all the oil consumption, but it might make a difference. It will also ensure that the turbo('s) last(s) longer.
I have a 287,000 km Q7 and it doesn't use oil and it's turbo is in the V.
What was toyotas excuse with the diesel in the 200 then? 😂😅
@@82muli Bad engine design.
@@nomyafiftyonefifty8081 That doesn't really change the statistics, now does it?
I've had cars that were rated as unreliable and yet I never had a problem with them. I've also had cars that were rated as very reliable yet I had many problems with them.
In the grand scheme of things that doesn't mean much, except maybe that those cars CAN be reliable or unreliable despite what the statistics say.
There are such things as water cooled turbos and water cooled exhaust manifolds.
Thanks for the informative video, my 80 series is getting better every day.
I had the same problem with my 200 series in 2010 … I had to monitor the oil usage Wagga Toyota didn’t want to know about it . Every 10,000 km there would be no oil left on the dipstick. Eventually Coffs Harbour Toyota fixed the problem at 92, 000 km under warranty.
Ahhh yes the old dealer lines “it’s normal, it’s within spec” oh and my favourite “they are all like that”
Or this old chestnut "We have never heard of that before!"
@@rossatkinson3160 😂 they are bloody idiots!
This has happened before. Back in the 80's I worked for a Mitsi dealership here in NZ. The new fwd sigma and magna had been introduced with 'low friction' engines. Corporate speak for excessive oil consumption due to crap rings. Some of those used a complete oil change between oil changes.
As someone who owns a Soft Cock Land Cruiser, I wanted to upgrade to the Everest Heights of Toyota engineering and get 3.5 Tonnes of dragging capacity. As promoted in their literature! Perfect for towing your horse float! I don't have one, but was thinking I would get one just to tow to the shops.
After driving the one in the Lot, we were given it for 4.5 Hrs, the luxury inside, the ride and the pretty pictures in the brochure. Convinced us that this was the car for us!
The web page for the Dealership even had it listed for sale!
Not so apparently! Toyota are not allowed sell their display car as they won't be able to get another for 2 to 3 YEARS! That was the deal breaker for us.
Now it would seem we dodged a bullet and are resigned to driving my Soft Cock into the ground. Which won't take long I have been reliably told.
Keep up the good work John.
VW had a similar story when they installed ring packs inverted due to “ supplier packaging changes”
You don't see many people selling LandCruisers On the side of the road. When i do it's usually and older 80 or 100 series lifted and probably had a P plater as it's last owner. Or someone who drove the ass out of it. But today i saw a 300 series for sale on the side of the road. Presumably it's been paid off so presumably something is wrong with it also. Or maybe they just really wished they bought something else.
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Hi John, when are you going to a talk on the V6 ranger and 10 speed transmission overheating and engine. 😊😊😊
Hi John, I own a 2015 Holden, remember them?, Colorado wnich I am more than happy with having put over 200 thousand klms on it, a lot of that out to Dingo Piss Creek. I took it back to the dealers complaining of excessive oil consumption. Before the scheduled service the oil was low or off the dip stick. They did some "testing" and said it is within specs. Their fix was changing from 5W30 oil to 10W30, and a shiny new oil filler cap stating that and wait for it.............a new longer dip stick. Fan fucking tastic. Like your vids, good info and humor.
Yeah, Mazda had a recall that supplied a new dipstick to their 2.2L turbo diesels in the CX-5, 3 & 6 models.
Engine oil was being diluted with diesel to the point it wouldn't make the 10K service interval without requiring a change.
The new dipstick moved the "change now" level even higher (to make the service interval) which made the engine oil even more diluted!
Engines regularly disintegrated at just north of 100K. Good one Mazda. If they released that engine in America, they would have been bankrupted by litigation!
Hey J.C. If this oil consumption is considered okay for a 300 series may others regard a need for “additional” servicing requirements to be okay for all vehicle models they offer for sale?
John please do one about the squeaky brakes on GX grade LC300. Issue only effects the GX grade as they have different brakes to the others. 12months later still no fix.
Ceramic pads?
I was looking at a second hand LC200 last week and one of the sales guys (Toyota dealer) let slip that there are already overheating problems with the new LC300. He said that primary producers are not overly interested in the new LC due to the engine.
For the price I’d pay a little more and go the LX600 or LX570
@@paulmcintosh5589 isn’t Lexus still the house of Toyota
Looks for a 200….
Well don’t tell any one but the 300…. Hmmm
Now these 200 $$$$$
@@leosheppard8517 No toyota sell under rated shot boxes at greatly inflated prices for very little more you can get Lexus with modern suspension like most other modern makes like the y62 with good NVH.
200s had a shit rep for chewing oil when they first came out too
From memory, when Toyota introduced the V8 4.5l turbo diesel in the FJ70, there were also complaints about oil consumption
Agree with all points. I live in a country town, and the elderly rich who buy new Landcruisers and Hilux vehicles mostly do five minute trips to the shops and post office. The engine never gets a chance to get a bit of heat into the block. Diesels are prone to oil consumption problems and short life expectancy. But, my Colorado is over six years old and never needs oil added between services and I do my own, being a retired mechanic with all the equipment up in my shed. The question arises: If Isuzu, Duramax, and Mitsubishi small diesels have no DPF problems, how come Toyota has problems, and denial of warranty responsibility??? Pure arrogance.
the problem is the management software wasn't programmed appropriately, they also didnt tell owners you have to take them on a long highway speed drive at least once a month for at least half a hr there and and half hr return so it gets upto temp and can trigger a regen burn. it can be done it just means it has to be done manually by the servicing mechanic.
the nsw highway patrol lost a bmw pursuit car to a dpf regen they had stopped an offending motorist and the car went into regen while they were issuing the fines. all they could do was watch while it burnt to the ground.
the grass where they parked was long enough to brush the exhuast and dpf and ignited with the heat. it was a issue with the first vehicles that had cat converters too farmers would drive there falcadore ute into the paddock and ignite the grass
I don't know, John, "Australia's most deceitful car company" has a lot of competition and I'd say Toyota still has a very long way to go compared to the true masters like VW.
I guess driving off road might not fit intoToyota's severe operation criteria (except when the engine's new, of course). But who does that in their 4WD's these days?
Hi John,
Is the starter also inside the hot V? If so, expect it to go 'poopy' sooner, too.
Ditto for the catalytic converters having to burn off all that oil (plugging it sooner).
probly in the bellhousing knowing toyota enginears haha
I’m glad I still drive a mechanical diesel injection engine no problems still runs and easy to repair
Imagine the money you save every 150,000 klms which is when injectors should be serviced. The bit extra in fuel consumption is peanuts compared to the labour costs and costs of new injectors if needed….in fact my next vehicle will be an old diesel with mechanical fuel injection. I will never buy CRD engine vehicles again.
You have a way with words John. Keep up the good work.
Remember when the gen3 in the commodore was using excessive amounts of oil also(A hone of the cylinders and new rings after the 3rd complaint). I was at the time a holden tech and we actually compared different manufacturers acceptable oil usage and Toyota was the highest with the Corolla at 2 litres per service interval😅
Ps love your discretion when doing these articles
you mean the PISTON SLAP motors? never had these issues with the good ol 308/304/253 ... I remember driving a VT SII SS and sure it was quicker then the VT I SS but had no soul, those LS1 re: Gen III engines were pure GM garbage.
@TGV i loved all the Holden 5L powered cars I've had over the years but to say the LS motors are garbage is just a pure lie. Other than that very first year they came out they are quite easily one of the most reliable engines ever made, they make great power with minimal mods, very simple to work on and they are small and light for the displacment so you can swap them into anything. The only thing the holden motor does better is the sound since the ls1 is an atrocious sounding engine but with each generation the ls motors sounded better and better
Interesting. We noticed on a recent trip to Perth and back towing rowing trailers 3.5 metres high and between 2000 and 3000 kgs, there were several broken 300’s attempting the same thing. Owners had no clue why and all unanimously wanted their 200’s back. The diesel consumption sounded horrific as well. Over 30 litres of diesel per 100klms towing these trailers. I’ll wait for the beating from the Toyota religious fanatics. I’m just glad I can’t afford one and have to stick with my shit box dual cab Ute. Turns out nothing works really well when it’s used outside it’s design brief or in Toyotas case, within. Oh what a feeling!
You buy a light truck to do that job, don't you?
Is it any wonder that buyers are going for the US pickup trucks. Van & Pickup usually over $250,000. Fuel burn is way less than 30litres/100km
@@JE-ti3cz you’d have rocks in your head if you think thosr american shitboxes are reliable though.
What were the symptoms of the 300 failures?
Bahahahaha, within its briefs. You mean they poopy their briefs.
I have a 3.2t van, doing 110ks, worst I get is 20L/100 with my 2500HD Chevy. And it is 11 years old now. Best on clear highway driving is 17-18L/100 at the limit. There is no replacement for displacement. And the correct vehicle for the job.
It would have been great if you reviewed cars again. I’m sure many others miss it too.
I’ve heard the same “all engines consume oil” bullshit from Subaru yet I’ve got a 1953 TEA20 tractor that doesn’t use a drop… thank god for technology!
Blowing the service interval out to 20000kms is pretty much the reason for this whole saga in the first place. Been servicing cars for nearly 25 years, and pretty much EVERY brand of car with extended service intervals past 10000kms will come up with low engine oil light before due service, especially after the first extended service. Using the correct grade, not just viscosity is also something most dealers seem to overlook.
@BB49 let it keep going past 20000kms every service and you wont have any oil left to leak 😄
@BB49 au Falcon isn't a modem engine.
@BB49 Itll most propably be fine. Ive owned an ex Taxi Au with over 600000kms on it and it didnt really burn any oil either, but it sure leaked a lot. Never changed the oil in it for nearly 50000kms, but just topped it up twice when the oil light came on. Not exactly comparable to a new turbo diesel engine though, are they 😄
Falcons probably topping the oil up with fuel! Just because your level is okay, doesn't guarantee the oil is still satisfactorily functional.
Same as the Alloytec. Gmh dropped the ball there.
John - great vid as usual! What’s your view on the new 2023 Chev Silverado 1500. Heard of lifter issues but seriously questioning my order of a LC300 given the reports on DPF injector, oil consumption, dodgy electronics and constant errors and warnings, etc…
Yep it’s all over the 300 FB pages, stuff that I’ll keep my old FJ
Yep, the Chev 1500 and the Ram 1500s both have engine lifter issues, it derives, I gather, from the process of turning off hal;f the engine to save fuel. Horrid utes, both of them, pathetic payloads and poor towing capacity compared to the marketing....what a surprise there. If you really want to tow 3.5t plus, get a Chev or Ram 2500 or an F250, real towing power, great economy, and good second hand ones will be way cheaper than a tricked up cruiser and you will not even know you have the trailer on.
You chose to be the guinea pig. Wait at least 2-3 years to buy a new model.
The 20,000 km service interval is a sham - that service interval only applies if you drive unloaded on predominant long highway stretches and clock up the 20,000 kms within 6 months... In the big list of other conditions you read, the service interval should be reduced anyway.
Really the service schedule should be 10,000 kms or 6 months... In my experience as a mechanic, most engines start consuming oil after 15,000 kms.
As an owner of a D5 Discovery (my second) , I never thought I'd live to see the day when a LandRover product could possibly be more reliable in one crucial engine area than a Toyota. Neither of my cars have ever drunk a mil of oil between services. Cue the barrage of LR jokes now...
John. Two years ago you did a video on how much oil should a modern car consume between services. Case in point was a Kia owner whose car used 1ltr per 7500K. This usage was a consistent each oil change. The trade off in oil usage in a modern engine being better fuel economy. I see that the Landcruiser 300 is using at least 1.7 ltrs of oil and could use 2to 3 trs per service interval. I assume service interval as every 10,000k or six months whichever comes first. There seems a parallel between the usage in that friction is reduced to improve fuel consumption in the KIA and Toyota engines. Do you think the friction has been reduced too far in the Toyota 300 engine, or what other reason (heat maybe)could be causing the high_ish oil usage? Your opinion please.
I've had cars burn oil and a change in oil viscosity fixes it
Can the catalytic converter handle that much more oil? How about the O2 sensors? This sounds like a cascade of defects headed for the unsuspecting consumer. Didn't Ford or Chevy have a problem like this way back when with the piston rings? They held off on replacing the scrapers hoping it would just go away.
I remember reading a blurb put out by Brysons in 1972 [back in the days when their mechanics charged YES $7 an hour], who were the Jaguar agents in Melbourne, and in this publication Jaguar owners were advised that Jaguars DO USE oil, in other words, dont expect to drive a Jag and not check the oil occasionally.
A renowned motoring journalist confirmed the new V6 to be a Mazda unit.
Imagine a Triton owner calling a Prado a "softcock landcruiser" lol
Prado is a soft cock land cruiser, facts it’s got less power, it’s lighter, it’s got lower towing, how isn’t it the soft cock version. It’s like saying a SV6 isn’t the soft cock version of a SSV, or the 2.7 mustang isn’t the soft cock version of the coyote.
Indeed!
@@landrover1155 triton was the first dual cab to get dual airbags, ABS, traction control, hybrid 4x4 system, toyota took years to follow on all these items putting peoples safety last over selling outdated products for years after others had improved.
You think Toyota would have worked out dropping ring tension causes oil usage by now. Back in the 1980’s they tried this in the 18r motors in our military hiaces. They used heaps of oil and blew lots of blue smoke.
Car brands are having such a wank fest over the operating costs & warranty coverage. Pushing out the service intervals so far is just dumb. With the cost of a car, changing your oil every 6-12 months is the best investment you can make long term.
They had the same problem when they first bought out the V8 in the 79 series Toyota did rectify it but it took 12 months
My mighty 1HZ powered 80 doesn't have that problem, the last great engine Toyota ever made, 300k and just run in. 0 too 100 in not a hurry but just keeps on keeping on, no whiz bang shit on that old girl, about 6 wires in total, it's old an simple like me
Strangely enough the fuel gauge on my 12 month old soft cock Landcruiser has stopped working. I was a little bit surprised when I called Toyota this morning, I was expecting legendary service. Instead I was told they charge $150 an hour as a diagnostic fee until they find a problem and decide if it is a warranty claim or not.
WTF!
How modified is your cruiser?
I'd be trying another dealer, that's totally unacceptable.
@@Alex-tu9bh hardly relevant to a faulty fuel sender or gauge, unless they changed the fuel tank.
Do you have an aftermarket fuel tank, or modified the fuel system?
A wise many campaigned automotive engineer once said to me, “There are very few new problems, but there are always new Engineers.”
What does the EPA think of this oil consumption / emission out the exhaust pipe of this vehicle - how did it pass ?
Didn’t the first v8 diesel’s have a drinking problem
I remember my brother complaining about his new one
So nothing changes at Toyota
My Colorado has just ticked over 200 k and no issues
My bmw I think may have had an issue but I bought it with a broken engine
And the valve guides were so flogged out I couldn’t believe it
But my engine builder got new guides from a little German and put them in and we have no issues at all now
And it too has over 200 k on it and it gives me 5 litres per 100 km so I am happy with that
And all my vehicles get serviced every 10 000 no matter what the dealer says
That is what is required and no more
yeah, my first Collie 2.8 Duramax, had 230,000kms on the clock, might have taken 300mL to top up at 12,000kms if I went over my service, decidedly better than a leaky toyota, LOL
At least it won't use oil when offroad driving because thats not listed in the document.
I had a 30 year old Mitsubishi that I got for free with blown valve stem seals that used the same amount of oil as the LandCruiser 300
12:49 Costumer: Under what conditions does the engine consume oil?
Toyota: Yes!
My Isuzu Dmax doesn't drink oil but already developed DPF problem which Isuzu Australia is refusing to fix under warranty.
Modern diesel
Thats ok ARB will offer a sump up grade
Reminds me of the 'good old days' when we used to buy oil to keep in the garage and had to check our dipsticks regularly.
The thing that pisses me off with the 300, aside from it's less than desirable (in my opinion) looks, is the lack of a petrol engine option for Australia. Some of us don't want a highly strung turbo diesel in our grocery getter. I'll be sticking with our current URJ202R for the foreseeable future
That much oil going through the DPF/EGR! Will be interesting to see how that works out for reliability and longevity. Sales of catch cans should do well.
:Large catch cans probably.
wonder if that oil leaving the motor will cause dpf issues
Good point. Hopefully the 'Hot V' design will keep the DPF hot to help it burn off more effectively and more often.
I’m pretty sure my hilux is 10k service intervals. And it’s 7.5 litre sump capacity. So I’m interested to find out how much the 2.8 burns in half the time. There must be stats on that as well.
I remember a video you did claiming new cars burning oil was an intended design feature and perfectly normal. My Rav4 4 cyl burned over a quart of oil per 1000 miles until Toyota rebuilt the pistons and rings.
Burning 1 quart per 1000 miles meant I was changing out the oil by adding oil . The manufacturers consider 1qt per 1000 miles perfectly normal.
I call bs.
Apparently on a 4X4 CZcams channel a Toyota dealer were blaming a transfer case failure on surface rust and wouldn’t warrant it. The 70 series was only 18 months old the “rust” was red dirt and the transfer case is made of aluminium. Oh what a feeling.
Idk how they thought that a 1 year old car rusting was somehow more acceptable than a transfer case issue.
@@thomasjackson4743 czcams.com/video/EWu4x8gYj3Y/video.html
What's the bet it was actually surface rust on the faces of the gears from the transfer case getting water in it during a "river crossing" and the owners not changing its oil?
@@ChristopherHallett i doubt it as the guy is pretty experienced and particular. czcams.com/video/EWu4x8gYj3Y/video.html
Andrew St. Pierre White. It's okay, you can say his name. ASPW is more than welcome in these parts.
John, reminds me of the Chevy Vega I had when I lived in the US in the mid 70s - carried a quart of oil to refill the engine every second filling of the fuel tank....Landcruiser sounds like Toyota have reinvented GM 70s engine designs!
Not to forget the gasoline additives you need to add to keep your catalytic converters clean. And how would an engine like this pass emissions testing that is done in some areas??
I ran into a similar issue with a 2002 Toyota Corolla. The 1ZZFE would get clog oil ports on the piston and would cause it to burn oil. Was told by Toyota USA that this is normal.
The state of the oil coming out at a regular service interval must be shambolic having lost 30% of it. An oil analysis of used oil from one of these would be very insightful.
My 2000 Falcon with 525,000 Km uses no noticeable oil between services!
But you're not getting that extra 0.06L/100km fuel saving from those low tension rings, so the joke's on you! Oh, wait...
AU Falcon Intech's are the best motor made in my opinion. They just keep going. Mine has 230,000kms and hasn't used single drop of oil in over 2 years (longest time between service, during COVID). In the past (15 and 10 years ago) it has overheated, and still runs super quiet and smooth, still the healthiest engine I have seen for a long time. (Minus the injectors, they need cleaning :p)
Neither does mine with 635000
@@jimbo3207 But ask and get told they're a shit box!
@BB49 Mine will use oil if I'm very late with an oil change. Tells me its overdue. Hasn't happened for a long time.
"Engines are designed to burn oil" tell that to an intec! Mine had 400,000k a didn't drink a drop!
Love your work john
ideally your dpf injector refills the oil with diesel for you so you don't have to top it up 😏
Like an old diesel Mazda cx5, car makes it's own "oil"😂
How do you think the cats are going to like burning oil?
The aftermarket exhaust part suppliers will love it. After buying an oil burning dud, would you pay Toyota for their 'trustworthy' factory replacements?
Great bin shot !
I have a LC300 with 30,000 kms on the clock. The oil level on the dipstick before my 30,000 km service was just above halfway between the add oil mark and the full mark. At least 70% of the distance covered in the last 10,000 kms has been towing either a caravan or a box trailer on highways or country roads.
I’ve just dropped the LC300 for a service with a Toyota dealer today and raised the oil consumption issue with the service manager. The service manager said that the oil consumption should reduce after the first 30,000 kms. I have another road trip planned towing a heavier van than the previous trip and I will note the oil consumption and report it in the comments section of this video. So far the LC300 has been a good tow vehicle.