(1823) Analysis & Dissection: Magnetic Lock
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- čas přidán 6. 12. 2020
- In video 1823 we'll examine some of your suggestions for hacking this lock, how mag paper works, and hack the lock open. Then we'll look at the innards and see how this cool little lock works.
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My dad had one when I was young. He swore by it. It served him well when he had his own mechanic shop near Houston area over 40 years ago. Although the magnetic key had gotten weak over the years, it still works. Thanks for the video and bringing me down memory lane.
Hi Bill, just want to take a moment to say thanks for not flooding your videos with midroll ads. It makes the vids so much more enjoyable. Just for that I make sure I always let the ads role at the end. Also great vid as usual!!!!
Had one of those on my gymn locker in 7th grade, circa 1979. Using it daily, it failed six months into a nine month school year. Always wondered what it looked like on the inside. Thanks, Bill. : )
Man I miss you so much. I wish you would come back to the community so bad. Hope you the best Bill.
The very end there, Bill’s compass is feeling it.
I had to watch the end a few times to see if I seeing it right. I'm glad now that it wasn't my eyesight playing up :D
It's amazing such a thing would work over and over without failing. So many moving parts just flopping around in there.
Really looks like you could shake it open given enough time.
Thanks for all the years of videos. Happy retirement.
Very interesting and well explained. I like when Professor Bill is holding class, makes it easy for dummies like me to understand 👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you, this is fascinating!
My favorite kind of videos! Dissecting strange/unique locks
I'm glad you used the magnetic paper and didn't just assume that keys orientation.
THANK you ever so much for all of the experience, advice and knowledge that you have provided through the years. Have loved learning.
this is an awesome info video! i almost got one of these locks in a huge lot of locks on ebey but got out bid but at lest now i understand more how they work! thank you!
That looks like simple vibration would do the same thing as the magnet storm. How about a drill with an off center weight and just jiggle the heck out of it while tugging on the shackle?
we call that a hammer
Cool to see the insides of that lock. Great demo Bill!🍺😎👍
I have one of those locks, branded "Everlast" but the same mechanical design. I bought it in the 1980's, I think for $1.
Magnetic locks were popular back in the 80's No idea why they disappeared.
Well it's lasted 40 years. Branding seems better than master lock.
@@daviddavidson2357 I guess not, since they're not around anymore and Master Locks are still one of the best selling lock brands there is
I remember them in the 80's also.
The teardown was very interesting!
Very interesting design. Thanks for that Bill.
I rest my case, no more questions on this! Great video!
This was VERY INFORMATIVE Bill thank you for doing this, it was great 👍🏻.
A brilliant video Bill,one of your best.
You make a tricky subject understandable to a simpleton like me. You're a great teacher bill.the best.
Great info, Bill. Thank you for sharing
Very interesting. Some thought went into that, for sure.
Lockpicking Lawyer sent me to your channel. Happy retirement, BosnianBill!
Thanks for the video, you had me magnetize 🔑👍
Great job and video
Thank you again for all the wisdom, is absolutely priceless
"Where's my magnetic pencil?"
" What do you need a magnetic pencil for? "
"Well how do you think I'm gonna write to Bill on this magnetic paper?"
I don't care who ya are, that's funny right there.
Had one as a kid..One of my favorite locks
Thank you so much for the info I have collected locks and keys since I was a little kid and I have had that key since I was in third grade and just had found it again I have been subscribed and watching your videos and trying to learn how to pick locks I wish I had the lock to go with the key I always look at locks I have traveled all over the world just never came across another one exactly the same thanks again and for the great content and happy holidays to you and loved ones . Dustin
Excellent
I imagine sayin that to my wife: "I´ll put my thumb here, because if i don´t do at high speed it will put all the guts out"
You made my day! 🤣🤣🤣👌👌👌
Kind regards and beside joking this is really an interesting lock!
Christian
Always something new to learn in this game. Our friend Bill is a pretty good teacher of the unique an unusual.
Professor Bill 😂
Hi Bill, If you remember you had a magnetic padlock a month or tho back and I mentioned about the magnetic pins have to 100% line up with a very small hole on a movable plate behind the pins, well this is the padlock I was talking about! Paul UK.
Ho just watching this locks inside it was different than mine, there was more pins on my one and the tolerances was a lot finer. If I find another one I will open it and send you some piccies
I leave this under every video I watched, it helps the algorithm
Great video, i had one of these and it's ease of use as not good for security
It looks like an uncut automotive key VW/Audi or newer gm thanks Dustin
Thanks for the video, I am not a lock picker but i find your videos very informative and entertaining. And the complete opposite to the lock picking lawer, where one hits play and the video is over. I wish he followed your example and made somewhat longer videos. Thanks Bill you are a treasure of CZcams. Keep Safe. (I just realized how appropriate Keep Safe is for your channel)
they can totally make keys with adjacent magnets with the same polarity. They can pre-build each individial clover-leaf magnet assembly of the key on silicon molds by the hundreds and just put them into place on the key in whatever orientation they want. They don't need to epoxy in the key itself.
That SOUNDS like a correct assessment, but I am not smart enough to know whether it IS a correct assessment.
Would love to know from a pro if it is or isn't one.
I had one of those. Never did get it open.
I remember trying for hours
That magnet drill attachment is awsome I need one of those
get yourself an old bicycle dynamo The kind that runs on the side of the front wheel. It has a nice magnet rotor inside.
What an ingenious design only way to beat its to have access to the key that doesn't count
Please prove me wrong more. I love learning.
Great analysis -- Again try your "Magnetic Storm" device on that IgloHome Smart Padlock
Yeah, the day it arrived I tried it. Nope. Didn’t work.
I remember when my ex-Father In Law, Dale Kurfman first showed me one of these.
It was 1980.
Can a polarity wand / checker to help with that? Deviant olam has it in one of his tool bags
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Cool
The sad issue with these locks is: after a while, the pins will obviously become magnetized themselves, thus making it impossible to open it, because they interact with each other. You can speed up this process by using a very strong rare earth magnet on the locks. It will magnetize the pins in an instant.
I was able to open a version of this lock by simply banging on it with the handle of a screwdriver, jiggling the pins around until they lined up.
It seems that instead of pulling the shackle to the limit and binding the mechanism over and over, you could pull it half way, wiggle the magnetic fields and let the spring pressure pick it, before pulling it all the way for an open.
Good thought, but the slightest pressure on the shackle pinches the "dancing pins" against that shackle plate, freezing them in place.
Does it exist something like that but protected from outside magnetic forces? I mean you have to insert the key instead of outside access. And by the way we here have the key, would be interesting to do the same without analysing the key
Blueprint is here static.baza.farpost.ru/v/1469843779595_bulletin . This is modern copy, original had been produced in Lithuania during Soviet time. The Factory used to produce that as well produced electronics (oscilloscopes and so on)
Interesting. I thought the mechanism was much simpler than that. I took a Gemini magnetic lock key apart once, not the lock. Anyway, it only had 5 magnets that could be oriented either way into 10 holes in a plastic insert in the key. I'm not sure what these locks are meant for, but the metal they're made of needs to be non magnetic, and non shielding. So they don't have any steel or aluminium content. The one I had was cast in a very brittle metal that could be smashed with a hammer, and it didn't have a locking pall on the opening end of the shackle, so it could be easily levered open too
I guess there are way to restrict the movement of those magnets when epoxied in the key. Like glueing them in sequentially or holding them down with stronger magnets.
So that'd give us (6*2)^4 = 12^4 = 2^8 * 3^4 = 256 * 81 = 20480 + 256 = 20736 possible keys.
I have such a lock (from russian descent) since the 90s when my father bought us two on a flee market for like $2.
Please let me know the Amazon shop now for purchase of Megnatic lock in India
why not use a compass to detect magnetic polarization?
It's a pity there's no significant unused space inside that lock, it would be really awesome if there was a fake conventional keyway on there with pins inside that felt like they were binding when picked but didn't actually turn. Unless you knew it was a magnetic lock you'd go straight to conventional picking and waste a ton of time.
If you don't have magnetic paper, you could throw a bunch of good old fashioned iron filings at the key.
Or the lock if you don't have the key. You can feel with a much less powerful magnet too
How do you know all the magnets were placed in the key together before the resin dried?
good point. if you had all day you could set each epoxy pot on a different day
can you do it with out looking at the key ?
Science!
Hi, Bosnianbill. I wish to do a small video about how locks work (for education purposes).
Is it possible to use a few excerpts from your channel? I truly do not know how this stuff works, so I'm asking first, just in case. Your videos will be a rich source of reference for what I plan on talking about. I plan on buying a bible and other stuff like that, but I can't talk about magnetic locks, for instance (never found one), etc.
have a nice day.
Anybody else want to see a coil of wire wrapped around that Lamello unit? DIY generator...kinda intriguing.
Bolt cutters, hammer, or a crowbar.
I wonder if simply vibrating the lock will be enough to jiggle the pins into place.
Yeah, that would probably work too.
@@bosnianbill Maybe wrap some wire around it and run an AC current through it to jiggle it. Might have to slow down the oscillations though.
Magnetic paper cannot alone tell the orientation of a magnet. If you take another magnet and with the paper over the key cancel the field of one set of magnets you can easily tell north from south.
Yes, you can certainly see the magnetic field's orientation and interaction between the two magnets, but you CANNOT tell which end is South and which is North. For that, you'll need a small compass (as seen at the top left in the frame). I did not bother discussing how to do it because it was irrelevant to hacking this lock.
Yes a little off the subject but have you ever seen a lock MIWA lock it was in a high school library door I don't have the lock but I have the key it's retaular smooth small groove on on side recessed and raised on the other but it is magnetic it has seven magnet's on the top and seven on the bottom in the narrow part of the key 2 small dipples on the flat rased side I have had the key probably 35 years I just found it I wanted to ask you about it I searched everywhere found that brand some similar but they all had cuts this is 95 percent magnetic I could e mail a picture wondering if you have seen this type or know anything about it thanks Dustin
Like this one? www.lockwiki.com/index.php/MIWA_EC
Could u just use 4 magnets watch one the size of the clovers shapes
Mag paper is cool - can use it for some safes too. Excellent informative video.
That's good to know
20,736 possible key combinations.
Hack? If you have the key to find the magnet positions....why do you need to hack? YOU HAVE THE KEY! 😆
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My doors lock is magnetic. But according the instructions i got my key isn't. I wonder how my door works. All i know is that if i insert key too fast i can't open the door (key wont turn).
Id want someone to crack these who has no access to the key and magnetic paper to see the positions.
From here, it looks like those cloverleaf pieces are molded plastic rather than epoxy. It seems to me that they put the magnet in the plastic and glue it in whatever orientation they need rather than trying to pot the magnet in a certain location in the key.
Yikes, those dancing posts look janky as hell
But without the key you'd have never been able to crack it.
Uh.... I DID crack it, three different ways (not counting the looking at the key method) in this and previous videos. 1. Magnets slid randomly back and forth, 2. spinning magnets taped onto a chopstick, and 3. the commercial device shown in the video. Were you out of town that week?😀
@@bosnianbill Alright keep yer hair on, jeeze :-p
Basically, you make a tool with four revolver barrels. You put a magnet in each, put it on the key spot and play russian roullette. If you dont hit you turn one magnet opposite dirrection. And go play again. And again. And again. And again.
Interesting internals, doesn't seem like a sturdy design though. If it's a fairly cheap lock though; I guess you get what you pay for.
to complicated for me to understand
Looks destined to fail very easily.