The Most Disturbing Scenes from Black Hawk Down
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Remember, Folks... This was 30 years ago. He was a very young man just out of high school. He's lived with this trauma since then, for all of his adult life. God Bless you, Sir. Thank you for your unwavering service.
He wasn't just out of high school, he graduated and enlisted in 85 or 86, he'd already done an enlistment in the Army before he re-enlisted and started into the special operations pipeline that took about 4 more years for him to get to where the Black Hawk down incident was his first combat operation, he was in the Army 7 or 8 years already before this happened.
@@dukecraig2402 I think he said he was 22 or 23 at the time. It was his first deployment almost immediately after joining Delta and finishing training. The fact that he continued to re-enlist after all of that is wild to me. A real American hero in my opinion
@@BigOunce1233
He couldn't have been that young, you'd have to add a couple years onto that anyway, I was 28 when it happened and I graduated in 83, he graduated 2 maybe 3 years after I did according to the timeline he gives in another interview.
100,000%
@@BigOunce1233 When you see that kind of shit and you have made it through it, it almost doesn't feel like an option not to reenlist. At least, that is how I felt. Especially when you're single and those are your buddies amd it is the only adult life that you know, to start another is scary.
As a former British army member myself, people often ask why his wife would be informed about the trash bags. Well, she might have wanted to know how he died or if any body parts were missing, such as the head, torso, arms, etc. This could have resulted in a closed casket due to the missing parts. My best friend, who I went through basic training with, was killed by an IED during a routine patrol. More specifically, it was remote detonated. They waited until my buddy and two others were within range, and then boom, we neutralized the threat. However, to this day, I will never forget the smell and sounds associated with such an explosion. It was extremely difficult to find all the pieces, and that is something I will never, ever forget.
Damn, I'm sorry for your loss and that you had to witness that
Was it all worth your time and service?
As an ex para you can't unsee the things you see,the horrible thing is nice things fade and the trauma we witness stays within us,in all your senses,you can almost transport yourself to the event.
Stay well pal🫡
My own life is my untouchable father (ex police) molesting my children for decades and being protected by the British establishment. Thanks for fighting for that. I feel bad for you a little. And your friend. However the people you served don't deserve to breathe let alone have British people defending their interests. The old lie my friend, the old lie.
@@stoegerstewie8351 It’s always worth protecting your home from outside our land, but it comes at an unimaginable price at times nobody knows truly what they are signing up for. I never served but the stories of the things going on outside the us make Atlanta feel safe to me. So yeah I think it’s worth it in that regard 🇺🇸
This podcast needs to be published and distributed to every classroom teaching American History. What we are casually watching today needs to be given to the future Americans who will need to know the raw truth of how history really happened. The honesty and emotion will be a far better teacher than a predetermined, disposable story that my generation (Gen X), was barely spoon fed.
Thank you for your service. All of you.
No, our military doesn’t need its claws in more children. They already try to force feed their agenda to high schoolers pressuring them to join instead of going to college. America is fighting 2 wars that aren’t even about us, but our people are dying. Military is useless, senseless spending and fighting. Just get a real job and stop jerking it to COD compilations.
It certainly needs to be taught a LOT of people have NO idea of the true events that happened to our troops over there
First they need to fix all the lies in the US history books. It's full of lies. This land isn't ours😁
Not to mention, it teaches kids that actions depicted in video games, movies, and stuff like that have real-world, everlasting consequences. I think they get desensitized at an early age because they see things in movies and on television, but they can't differentiate between what they think they see and real life.
The true problem is that, due to how history is taught, a lot of people think the US is like Superman when in Reality it is more like Homelander.
Not only can you see the pain in his eyes.. you can literally HEAR IT in his voice even with the pauses he takes to keep his self together to get through explaining it…hats off to this soldier, I’ve been through hell my self but I couldn’t imagine his…💯
Gary and Randy were also Delta Operators. They made the ultimate sacrifice when they volunteered to land and guard the crash site and trapped crew members until help could arrive. They knew that the risk was very high and there was no relief coming for quite some time. But, they went anyways. They were hero's and were both awarded the Medal of Honor for their sacrifice. Read Mark Bowden's Black Hawk Down to understand the caliber of men who fought this amazing battle.
They probably got outnumbered 1-100 but yeah. Kinda dumb going in without support imo
@@nyankittyxp4521The idea is that you would want someone to do it for you. Not to be left to die or worse. That makes it a worthy choice and far from stupid.
I agree. Its the ultimate sacrifice.@@LooniJoose
I'm sorry about your friends. A lot of training goes into our special forces and it's sort of unavoidable that operatives will cross paths and make some friends.
Then real combat comes along and you're a veteran. You begin to see why those old Vietnam guys were the way they were.
Everybody lost some old friends, And the ones that survived? Well, They'll remain your friends until you or they die.
Even your wife doesn't know you the way they do.
americans have a history of sending their military to countries they have no business in and then making sad movies crying when they get killed
My grandfather along with some of his brothers and sisters are buried about 20 yards from Randy Shughardt. Been there many times, Randys grave has a plaque that details his and Gary Gordons actions during Operation Gothic Serpent
❤️
Right on bro
Coolest name for an op fr
My aunt is buried about 20m from George Steinbrenner
Good job making this about you & your family a$$hole. Real classy pr¡ck.
I worked in a medical facility down range. One time we received five body bags where report said four KIA. We inspected the bags. They were in pieces.. Years later, I was lucky enough to ran into a retired infantryman, and he happened to be part of the first rapid respond team for that incident. He said in tears: “I will never forget the victim’s face that I had to scrape off from a wall..”
I saw her face in the bag that day, too. Neither will I, brother.
After one of my dad's deployments, he was showing me some of the pictures he took, and some were from an IED blast. And one of the pictures was of a girl's face stuck on a wall. It was the only one that he got pretty emotional about.
Damn! You medical staff have it rough. Nothing but respect. To this day I place people in the medical field above all in service to humanity. Saving lives is the most honorable line of work. 🍻
Bless you.
This is so sad. I can’t even hit the like button even tho I’m interested in hearing the rest of the story. R.I.P to the fallen soldiers may they watch over us and their families
Similar story after the bombing during the Afghanistan withdrawal. ID was through dog tags and body parts, some of which were dozens of meters from the blast site.
They ain't lying when they say the eyes are the windows to the soul.
Im praying your soul finds the peace it is owed brother❤️
This interview is DEEP!!
I can't feel bad for soldiers I'm sorry. Usa is so nasty in other parts of the world and can't handle their own medicine
Is it
Imagine the people in the country we invaded for oil and poppy fields. They are literally part of the dust in the air from the thousands of bombs dropped on civilians.
@@SeenTheLight0Somalia had nothing to Do with this. I agree Afghanistan and Iraq was pointless BS. But this is discussing somalia
The best interview and coolest man I’ve ever heard speak about his life ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
You can see the pain in this mans eyes , totally raw emotions running threw his heart and soul. True American hero. God bless the men and women who fight for this country !
Thru/through. Futile, pointless, immoral oil wars, with native civilians slaughtered in their hundreds of thousands
Imagine the people in the country we invaded for oil and poppy fields. They are literally part of the dust in the air from the thousands of bombs dropped on civilians.
No it's a shame that the rich and corrupt elite start these wars for money, while making sure the American population is so uneducated and downtrodden they have no choice but to travel across the world to secure some oil and get killed so brutally
American puppets not American heros.
Die for what counts and not for politics and money while being delusional thinking you are making the world a better place because you are not you are doing what your told and paid for it no honor in that bud.
These people are hard and had to endure much pain but it mostly was their decision and they didnt save or protect any americans they invaded another country and people.
@@SeenTheLight0good
Gordon and Shugart are fucking legends. They knew they were the only available support, extremely outnumbered and outgunned, but dropped in anyway.
Seeing him cry, brokes my heart to pieces.... he has witnessed the worst things imaginable an he shows that you don't lose your soul when you go to war, you might lose yourself at times, but you never lose your soul. 😢
The smell of iron in blood still haunts me to this day. Just smells like burnt rusty iron .
It's always the smells that stick with you the most. It's the one thing you can't turn off and what keeps you grounded in horrific reality
Big hugs to both of you. PTSD is a beast
@@allywolf9182 thanks mate
❤
Get well brother and thank you for your service. It doesn’t go unnoticed ♥️
This happened a year before I joined and the movie came out in 2001. I was in SOCOM doing stuff when it was released and we watched it on one of those 44mm tapes a million times. "When I go home people are like Hey, Hoot, why do you do it man? You some kind of war junkie?? They wont understand that its about the man next to you". That line right there stuck with me forever because I stopped questioning the politics and the who, what , and why??It all seemed like one big set up, but I just went along with it. It frustrates me to no end even now that I cant talk about my pain with anyone except another vet. Cant talk to a counselor or a relative. My liberal uncle is lost in the sauce. Nobody knows us, but us.
Thank you for your service
It bothers me so much how often civs talk to vets like they're morally superior for not going out there to fight. As a civilian myself, I think there's so much I could learn from any vet. However I don't blame you guys for shutting everyone out, I would too if everyone who didn't do what I did always had to throw their opinions in there. Its like "Yeah, that's your stupid opinion, but this is my lived experience"
Much respect to you guys.
Trust me man there's a good amount of us civs who would gladly sit down and talk it all out with ya the good and the bad I've done it for a few of my close friends. Keep it pushing man
Please know there are those of us older Americans who were raised in WW2 Veteran families. We don't know you personally and will never meet you in life, but we pray for you, cry for you, are grateful for you, stand with you, and will defend you, until we pass on. We are loyal to our Veterans, no matter where you are in the world or back home. We salute you sir. RESPECT!! 🇺🇸
Fascist fuck
You should 100% be a PTSD counselor so many places need u...This would help everyone
He is.
not certified though only on podcast
I live in town where shugharts was from.. Newville pa..the story of what happened in Somalia is littered with brave,and heroic acts of men that never came home....not forgotten...never will be..
U can tell this man is shook thinking back on certain things, like the bags in this instance. Thank u for your service.
Oh really? I couldn’t tell
@@crypto_lawi3959don’t you have something better to do?
@@crypto_lawi3959dick
@@crypto_lawi3959Literally no reason to be a pretentious dick here bud.
I read some of the guys comments in the sections down here. You guys literally brought tears to my eyes reading the shit you’ve experienced doing your job in the military. Baffling to me that veterans get the treatment in this country that they get after those jobs. I bet every person out there has stories that led them to rough spot they’re in with life. The addiction, the trauma, adjusting to normal life. Everything. You guys have all the respect and adoration in the world from me. Genuinely don’t know how you’ve been able to do the jobs you’ve done. Especially when you find out more later. You guys deserve and have EARNED such better treatment and everything from the government. It’s sickening
You call men entering my country to steal our resources and kill our people Heroic? Would Somali's be heroic fighting civilians in Washingston? We don't have an airforce, Navy, or Money but By God we have men who desire death as ardently and you desire life.
"people sleep peacefully in their beds at night, only because rough men stand ready, to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
in this case rough men were standing in a another continent doing violence for the sake of politics ✌️
@@slayerofdoom5146 🤣
Weak men sleep peacefully in their beds because rough men stand ready. Women's whole life is a war. Battlefield or in our own homes, women aren't safe from men ever.
@@slayerofdoom5146 they were trying to protect innocent people from violent warlords in a failing state as a humanitarian security mission. No "politics" about it. Grow up
@@jsquared1013 still remember the day you people tucked your tail and ran from Afghanistan. Btw those Taliban Warlords are in power right now
I'm so sorry for you veterans and the families that have lost our US soldiers. Thank you for all your service and sacrifice and for the wives that are left behind and their children. The Lord bless and comfort you❤
I had the privilege of meeting and talking to Michael Durant last year in San Antonio when he was there as a guest speaker. He showed the videos of the interview after he was captured and it was chilling to say the least. As a former service member myself it hurt to see the pain in his eyes and the respect when he talked about Gordon and Shugart. To hear more on this now speaks volume to the character Durant has to get up and talk about this stuff repeatedly so their sacrifices are remembered. No way in hell I could do that.
We need to stay out of these countries , Politicans and world leaders need to duke it out not our american soldiers Thanks for all your effort and bravery
You obviously don't know why we were there.
And yet... You have an opinion.
It was for humanitarian reasons.The warlords and gangs were stealing food that was supposed to be for the starving people of this shit hole country
never trust a government or politician
I don't think you understand the military racket of unnecessary interventions for the past 50 years. And yet you have an uninformed opininon.
War is a Racket - General Butler
Randy and Gordy are heroes. True American badasses.
Greater love hath no man, than to lay down his life for his friends.
War...is...HORRIFIC!
So so sorry to hear for these families.
This powerful. I was stationed at Liberty (nee Bragg) at that time and my wife was working at the Special Forces Museum. Some of the guys were detailed to her office to help decompress on a light duty. She would come home in tears talking about the young men and what they had seen. She would talk, then stop to collect herself. Very tough to see that.
This renaming of bases is some stupid shite
Stationed at Bragg, now called Liberty.
One of the best/heartbreaking interviews I’ve ever watched. I respected so much of what the men in our military do day in and day out before seeing this episode, but this interview gave me a much deeper understanding and appreciation of the sacrifices they make. Not only do they sacrifice in the field, but the trauma they carry with them back home is so heavy. Cannot believe how badly they are dismissed and uncared for when they come back.
Gary Gordon..Randy Shughart…Medal of Honor Both…Rest in Peace❤❤❤
I listen to these when I detail cars on my weekend job. Man these are SO good to distract you from work/labor and the information and stories in them are SO good. His wife is AMAZING too. So many good lessons learned, some of which I can atest to.
Love this show/pod! One of the few I still listen to.
So sorry you were a witness to this. Bless you and all concerned.
But they deserve that, us soldiers killed tens of thousands of innocent children
Bill Clinton and Les Aspin are to blame for that. SMUs can only do so much because of their limited number of Warfighters and lack of armored vehicles. It’s heartbreaking.
Bill Clinton has been responsible for alot of shit in that part of the world and still he's looked upon favorably.
Someone else who remembers the lack of armor and that dumbass Aspin.
Spot on. Aspin refused armor.
@@stephengreerii8678 Yep, and they let the UN take control without a US lead. At least 40% of the casualties that day were due to UN dumbassery. I lost ALL faith in the UN in Somalia.
I believe he resigned as well didn’t he.?
People will never know how this feels unless they've done it.. I deployed to Afghanistans Kandahar Airfield (KAF) in 2012 for OEF when it was the most dangerous place in the world for a US military member. I deployed as an aviation mechanic and fly along mechanic for maintenance test flights and I can tell you from what I've seen from in the sky.. it's enough to change your perspective on life.. I can't imagine what the frontline guys go through psychologically..
Being a former Marine and having worked with some of Shugart's Family.
To All who have Fallen ....
and your Families.
You are Always in Our Hearts.
to those who remember and those who served;
Semper Fi !
All three parts of this interview were amazing. My favorite yet. This and DJ Shipley.
But the lisTening to him open up about mental health and how he came to the realization that he wanted to stop training/helping men to go to war, and instead start helping them come home from war was pretty amazing.
And listening to him talk about what he went through so openly and at rock bottom as well as with his wife, that shit got to me.
Amazing show as always. Thank you Shawn.
My dad went to the police academy with one of the men involved. Total respect.
These bodies showing up at gates are the bodies my dad had to inspect for explosives as EOD. He's fucked up with PTSD to this day, because of it. He said one of the bodies had an RPG sticking out of the chest, and he had to defuse it before the body could go to the body collection area
I can't fathom...but can relate when my best friend was found in pieces like garbage in a few hefty bags next to the Passaic in Newark NJ after she was kidnapped tortured n unalived by the man that "loved her so much" ....the pain n rage never ever ever leaves your soul
That’s bone chilling. I was there prior to their arrival, from Dec 92 to March 93 with the 15th MEU off the USS Tripoli. “Operation Restore Hope”. You quickly learn there that you can’t restore something that never existed and isn’t welcome in that country.
Our experiences were not anywhere near the same level of intensity that TF Ranger went through. The heaviest day of fight was in the second week of January 93 but, again, nowhere near what they went through
Can’t restore something that never existed! Well said.
It’s because they were scared of the Marines and knew that they could walk all over the Army,… which they did.
@@dfly27485 Bullshit!!! Farrah Aidid's son was a marine and was deployed there!! That's why they didn't touch the marines! Don't EVER!!! Discredit or talk down on the Army!!
They knew the Corps had Carte Blanche in that shithole.
Semper Fi brother. My previous duty station was with the 15th MEU. Unfortunately, my pre-deployment workups for our WESTPAC float were the AAV mishap that occurred back in 2020, still during the height of COVID-19. That was tough to experience those losses a few months before we even went underway, but I can't imagine the horrors that this warrior and his brothers faced over in Somalia.
Nobody can begin to understand this horror story 😢
Unless you've been there and served...
It's not a complicated story. Pretty easy to understand.
That's what Africa calls Tuesday.
@@ironcross6719
That's easy to say.
Living through it is much more than just a story.
Or what the fuck the US military is doing in Africa?
My neighbor who is a combat vet was in Somalia when this all happened (I was just a kid so I don’t remember a ton aside from what I was told and saw on the news and the movie) but man the stories my neighbor has told me from being over there were insane and heart wrenching. He lost a lot of brothers over there and you can see it in his eyes when he talks about all he saw and experienced during that time. He even has a bullet that he was nearly killed with on a keychain and he always has that keychain with him everywhere he goes. A Somalian tried to shoot him point blank and the gun jammed and long story short that bullet that jammed is the one my neighbor has on the keychain.
Fake story
I absolutely loved this interview. I could listen to tom talk all day. It was such an awesome awesome conversation. Thank you so much shawn for everything you do. This podcast is incredible. Please keep going. I literally cant wait to hear the ones in the future. I listen to you at work constantly. I love it. And thank you both foth for service. I respect the hell out of yoi both
Black Hawk Down is probably my favorite movie, an incredible cast and a complete wide arrangement of emotions. Those soldiers will live with very heavy hearts for the rest of their lives.
So will the Somali victims who died. May Allah have peace in their souls.
Facts their are a few places worst than being stationed in Africa. Brave men proud 🦅🇺🇸
Tom….no words….
For what little it’s worth, both my daughters know their story.
It’s all I can do.
Tell your daughters about why those blackhawks were shot down in the first place too.. it's the least you can do. Yes we had heroes there who sacrificed themselves to help their fellow soldiers, but it was our asshole Admiral & General's faults that they were put in that position to start with. We need to stop pretending that we're always the "good guys" if we want anything to change.
@@81joiseyboyin Somalia we were the good guys. We were there to stop a warlord from starving everyone to death. Sadly we didn’t.
@@TheGamingHellhound oh sure, we tried stopping him from starving people by bombing them? Can't starve to death if you're buried under rubble I guess 🤷
Before that, we refused to take part in peace accords because our lapdog wasn't invited, and we sent "peacekeepers" to shut down their radio station which was their main form of communication, but sure, we were totally the good guys. You think they were celebrating our soldier's deaths in the streets because we were trying to give them food???
Did we originally go there under good intentions? Maybe.. I'd certainly like to think so, but then all of our actions after that flew right in the face of it. Ya might want to read up on what Doctors Without Borders thought about what we were doing there, ya know, an actual charitable organization that's been trying to do some good around this globe for a while now.
@@81joiseyboy I do that very thing.
It’s extremely important to know why you’re fighting.and our foreign policy often is misguided at best.
Oh the pain in your eyes. So sorry for your sorrow. Thank you for your service. Don't know if we deserve the sacrifices you brave men have made but your courage and bravery are awe inspiring.
Thank you for this interview. His emotion was so upfront that it made this interview one of the most compelling and concerning. 😢
Shughart and Gordon's sacrifice have always inspired me. The desecration of their bodies is infuriating. I can only imagine what kind of nightmares the third delta sniper that stayed behind has. He lost his leg from an rpg hit shortly after getting Gordon and Shughart on the ground. His survivor guilt must be immense.
So they were having a picnic and got recked? No, they were there to kill people. Totally deserved.
Yeah I’m sure that’s exactly how their comrades think of their deaths to 🙄
@@MINGAS87you are an idiot. They were trying to kill a literal warlord because every time the humanitarian groups would drop food, his goons would seize it for themselves and starve the populace out, on top of everything else having warlords run your country causes
@@MINGAS87totally deserved???????
@@MINGAS87they were there to stop depraved warlords from abusing and starving innocent people in a failing nation.
I was never in the military, but i had a family friend you can look him up his name was Christopher North from Sarasota FL. He was killed in Iraq in 2006 when I was a freshman in HS. We had done tons of things together with his family. He was killed by an IED in iraq. His family had the military send my parents who are doctors(father is surgeon) the medical report on what happened to him and his body. I remember waiting by the printer for the fax, and watching page after page be printed. Paragraphs to tell how each inch of his body was blown to bits. All his parents wanted to know was if he felt any pain when he died. My mom was a neurosurgial PA at the time as well. My parents told his parents his brain didn't even have time to send any signals to the rest of his body during the explosion, so he didn't feel a thing.
I know this doesn't exactly relate entirely to what he's talking about, but family members are told what happens to their loved ones. It can include gruesome details.
Thanks for your service shawn, as stated many times by me.
Also all of your courageous service men & women on your show. We need this content nownof days with so many people having fear in America.
Horrific memories. Its difficult to hear, but I can't imagine having to live with them in your mind. God Bless our soldiers who are still living with these horrible truths.
Dude. If you’re ever wondering what PTSD looks like on a person’s face, that’s it. Right there. Trauma. I see it every time I try to look at myself in the mirror. Trauma, PTSD, Depression, etc. he is a hero. I’m a pos in comparison. May The Almighty God Bless you and your family many many times over.
Thank you for fighting for all of my many freedoms.
What’s the ptsd from? Are all military guys too dum to know they’re just cattle sent to unalive brown kids to enrich the banking tribe? If you don’t want unalive innocents so that the banking tribe can own another country, just don’t go! 🤷🏻♂️
stay strong for me brother
Mike Durant later said, after enough time had passed, that during the scene in the movie where he was struck with an AK and knocked out…it wasn’t an AK, it was an arm with the remnants of a Desert Camo uniform.
Fucking hell
I had a good friend in middle and high school named Joey Durant about a year of us being friends he was over at my house when I asked if he wanted to watch black hawk down, he says no Iv seen it too many times then goes on to tell me that his dad Mike Durant (I knew his name) what I didn’t know was that he was the only survivor after his black hawk got shot down and was then terribly tortured for 11 days. I had been at this dudes house every weekend for a year and had no idea. His father Mike was extremely humble and just would never bring it up. Small world
Absolutely heartbreaking 💔 I’m so sorry y’all went thru this and all the bad. You people are super human.❤
I can only imagine what that must have been like. I can only hope the bastards that did those atrocities have died, a slow and miserable death.
But there are more where they came from.
You go to foreign land where your not wanted. Fighting againt a force that is not rank and file ......what do you fucking expect is going to happen.
@@thh4584 Sadly this. The OPFOR had no rules of engagement.
Clinton and Gang should have authorized armor and Spectre Gunship coverage and when those Blachawks went down the air coverage should have ringed those sites with hot death for the skinny.
No quarter given to the warring groups
@@1olddirtroadyou sign up and you become an asset, a disposable asset. The people whose lands you invade didn't get the choice, you just showed up with guns and gunships, and general fucking incompetence, and murdered people.
Why would the wife be told this?
Yeah also when your spouse is killed you’re scrambling looking for answers. She probably read every article there was to read and came across it.
Cause it’s not about feelings when it comes to shit like this, you have to sit them aside and take the truth for what it is would you rather just them lie to them and not tell them what happened? I think I’d rather know the truth no matter how hard it is that’s life real life. Yes, it’s sad and clearly screwed her up but I’d rather know the truth be told a falsehood of what actually happened
You can tell them they’re loved one was KIA without describing the state of the remains.
@@kingxiii4680this was something that was covered in the media. Unavoidable.
@@nickgray6305they get the bodies back... you bury your loved ones they don't
That pause tells it all. the memory's are never easy but time mends all thank you for your bravery and your service. solute you sir
My god you can see the hurt in this man’s eyes it’s almost as if his bottom lip was going to go numb with emotion this brought a tear to my eye thank you for your service sir 🫡
Maybe we should adopt the same tactics as these countries sometimes (excluding the women,children and the elderly that isn’t involved in combat) and see how shit starts changing
What is the difference between an animal and a Man then?
We like to "play by the rules" which means following the Geneva Conventions and often stupid R.O.E.s dictated by politicians with no skin or blood in the fight. The other side faces no such constraints. Why we always want to sacrifice our brave warrior's ability to prosecute an action our Government sends then to do with often times stupid R.O.E.s. against ruthless fighters who just want to defeat us is foolish.
@@charlesalvin4318we were absolutely NOT "playing by the rules" in Somalia before our blackhawks were shot down.
@@81joiseyboyWhich unit were you with?
@@delvingeorge2807In war, it ought to be very little. There’s something to be said for violently and swiftly dispatching and demoralizing an enemy in order to prevent further bloodshed later on.
If he didn't say it we never would've known. I admire his commitment to the truth in spite of the obvious pain. It's important.
In the tech consumed world we live in today it’s very easy to find footage from war online especially in places like liveleak and Reddit, I always knew war was traumatic but after some of the things I’ve seen on there I can’t even begin to imagine what our veterans have gone through. As a US citizen I am forever grateful to each and every one of you and wish nothing but the best for you, stay strong, you are very much appreciated.
God that’s insane , I can see the pain in him , THANK YOU for all you have done to keep us safe , i know most don’t have a clue at all just how bad it is out there , God Bless Brother 🙏🙏🙏
Angry! That American military and their families are put through this. Somalia: What the hell were we doing there? To settle 10,000 year old Tribal Rivalries? Iraq: Damned GWB, no WMD, he only wanted to take personal revenge "cuz they tried to kill meh dad," and over 3,000 Americans dead, tens of thousands of families wrecked, and Iran now runs the place. Afghanistan: On 9/12/01 that place should have been a glass parking lot. But again, Americans kicking in doors of 16th century tribals, dead soldiers, families destroyed and our FAILED military leadership gave them $86 billion of military equipment to attack us with again. NOT ONE American life is worth any of those undeserving people/primitive cultures.
No amount of bombing would remove the Taliban from the mountains of Afghanistan. Didn't the CIA let Bin Laden go during the early days of the war when he was nearly caught in the mountains by the Pakistani Border?
Your elites are corrupt warmongers and send you in to die in third world "shit holes". Their greed and desire for power only emboldens and strengthens your enemies (your example of Iran) in the long run.
"You may have the watches, but we have the time."
Don’t blame the Somalians I don’t blame them the Americans were invaders to them.
@@TheAceuu Agreed! The tribe in power at the time was starving their rival tribes to death by the hundreds of thousands. We had no business providing security for food delivery, and paying for the food delivery to the staving there. That is a Somali matter alone. No more foreign wars for the USA, and if do get drawn into one (i.e. 9/11) then we fight with WWII rules and burn the enemy to the ground in a day. Stay out or Annihilate. The only two options.
@@lawrenceallen8096 well if you do your research and realize how much of American oil comes from Somalia you would realize why were there and we don’t pay them a damn cent. Yeah try to get your gas somewhere else and watch the price sore. Also, ask yourself why Somalia that’s been a seafaring country. Its whole life is all of a sudden not able to fish no more might have something to do with the oil in the way we just dump it in their ocean and kill all there food source.🤷🏿♂️
@@eliasbrown7136 the Italians dump their radioactive waste in Somalian waters and a ton of fishermen poach the Somalian fishing waters. And they wonder why pirates and rebels fight back
I don't understand how we let our boys get killed when we could have easily erased the entire city of Mogadishu.
Remember who the prez was at the time, should answer your question.
If you look at the number of somalis killed we paid them back 100x for what they did. Doesnt bring our guys back though
Bill Clinton denied air support, delayed approval for reinforcement from other units, if I remember right. It's been a long time and I don't remember correctly, but one of the sniper's fathers called him a disgrace as Commander in Chief and that he should resign. Laid the blame for his son's death directly on Clinton, and he was right.
And kill innocent civilians?
American politicians don't know what they're doing.
This was a seminal interview for the Shawn Ryan podcast. One of the all time great military interviews ever.
These great men on this podcast are truly honorable and educated in so much that many are not. Much respect and I pray for you all.
The way you deal with a problem like Somalia is by doing precision strikes until they beg you to stop. Then you stop and you send them a communication and ask “did you stop when they begged?” Continue bombing for two weeks. There is no reason why those people should be breathing rn
And gain the ire of the rest of the world for murdering thousands of innocent people? We'd have had no ground to stand on when we invaded iraq
Hell yea
@@zacharysmith3106bot American comment “hell yea” probably said while drooling over murder hahaha your soldiers were dragged though the streets for reason
@@Woo-kl8boWhat happened? Forgive me for my ignorance, I genuinely don't know.
@@noahbowes3431 Somalia collapsed due to a famine. International food aid was sent in. The local tribal warlords would sieze the food shipments. US and other countries went in to initially protect the convoys, but mwssed up rules of engagement kept them from protecting the convoys unless the escorts were shot at.
US decides to start rounding up warlords. During one of those raids 2 blackhawk helicopters got shot down. A Crewman of one survived and it was a 16 hour running gun battle to try to save him. Two Delta operators landed nearby to protect him and got killed. Somalis drug their bodies through the streets and ripped them up; delivered the parts to fhe base gates in trash bags they threw off the back of pickup trucks as they drove by.
"strap a gun and go walk in another man's countrie you better be ready for some action jack ... people are touchy about that sort of thing"
George Carlin
Exactly! As a vet unfortunately things like this happen every time we get involved on someone else turf from Nam and current events and it's not pretty Rip to those who serve!
@@davidanderson3684 body you know deep down in your heart those wars was only for oil and for gun manufacturers and medicine production to gain profit from . It wasn't for democracy or freedom, non of those nations have any progress what so ever it's only worse. All those fighting was for nothing humane so don't assume invaders getting any peace in afterlife.
It's notjust soldiers, politicians and those who gain profit from war too how would they face god or Jesus
Let's not forget North Korea
This Channel, so Heavy, so profound, always... brings reality to the horror that exists in this world and highlights the incredible resilience of those involved.
Just so sad how we humans treat each other.
This is what can happen when you have to deal with primitive barbarians who have no respect for anything.
I bet Iraquis, Somalians, Afgans, Lybians and many many people from around the world say the same thing about americans. Most hated (and stupid btw) nation on the planet.
Well they where enraged since the US had hit a peace gathering thinking it was something else killing a lot of civilians.
There was also the issue of that town having a lot of angry frustrated people suffering from years of minor conflicts and strikes putting everyone on edge. Pre op analysis even warned that the city was a powder keg.
And then we also have the genius politician in the US refusing armored vehicles and tanks to be allowed to be part of the standby taskforce.
@@kenji214245 A "peace gathering", there is no such thing in a muslim country.
Peace is not in the koran, so they are not interested in it, except as a tool to bait infidels into stopping their self defence against jihadists.
@@kenji214245animals
Your talking about American military right?
Breaks my heart. When you see a grown man with tears in his eyes. You know it broke his heart. The wife he’s talking about . Bless them Dearest Heavenly Father continue to cover them in your love. . ❤️
Thank you for everything you guys do so the people who don't respect you for can do whatever they want to. You are a real American hero
Easy to discourage. They leave an arm, you leave 100 heads. They leave a head, you burn a city to the ground. They'll learn.
In the end they still got their country back and thats all they wanted. They wanted his wife to feel the disdain they feel of having us in their country. It's fucked up and it's more of a get out of our country with as much disrespect as possible
@@mikehairston9444wrong.
They were just dumping them there so they wouldn’t be coming for them. Stop over thinking everything from the safety of your couch
It might have been the only way to give the bits back, and it may even have been people not involved trying to do the right thing.
A lot of people wouldnt have wanted to be anywhere close to the American forces, they grew up with warlords. America just went fucking nuts over those helicopters, raining hell from the air and ground. Miniguns, M2s, the works.
Would you walk up to the gate and go here, I have a bunch of body parts, not sure which of your guys they belong to?
Change trash bags to bodybags, and the PTSD isnt any different. Give them some credit for giving the body parts back.
Lol or we could take our taxpayer dollars and use them here in the US, keeping our soldiers from being fuckin Team America World Police. You gung ho types are such effective pawns to the military-industrial complex.
Yeah you've clearly never served and have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Please sit down, keyboard warrior.
Imagine how the people around the world feel about picking up their children’s body parts from airplane bombs. What they did in this case is not excusable, despicable, but we have to understand nothing happens in a vacuum. What would we do if the situation was reversed?
I am sorry you went through all that, thank you for your service!
No one, including me, who has never served or experienced real combat, should give an opinion on what this man or others went through how they should think or feel or do in similar situations. Those who serve in the US military were not drafted. They volunteered. We should be thanking God and praying for them and their loved ones safety and those who sacrificed every damn day.
Thank you Shawn for these interviews giving is a minute amount of knowledge of what happens in combat. God Bless you and your loved ones.
why the hell would they tell his wife that? thats crazy
I would wanna know everything. All of it.
Did you want them to lie to their loved ones?
I think the military gives families the option to know the exact details surrounding their family member's death.
I SEE THE KEYBOARD WARRIORS WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN DEPLOYED TO A FORWARD AREA OR SERVED ANYTHING BUT THEMSELVES ARE OUT IN FULL FORCE…..THAT MAN IS A HERO….SHOW HIM AND THE MEN WHO SERVED SOME RESPECT YOU WOKE PANSIES
4 of my buddies went to Afghanistan and iraq right after high school during the height of the war in early 05. 3 made it back alive. But due to ptsd n drugs only 1 is still here but he's never been the same. Im glad he got clean sober. He has survivors guilt. Hes told me so many fd up stories. Made me and a bunch in our group of friends jaw stay open in shock. To all you vets around the world my hat goes off to you for your services
As horrific as it is it is needed knowledge. Thank you for being a witness and relaying this to us the country people of those soldiers so we can remember them when we vote on Veterans Day 4th of July and Memorial Day! F the garbage bag!
We should have pulled back and nuked the place from orbit…
Don't ever forget these people. They're the reason we still have the freedoms and rights we have today.
I’ve never been to combat for my country, but unfortunately growing up the way I did around the people I grew up with, I am surely no stranger to combat and when they talk about the sounds and smells that you could never forget hits me hard in my chest. I remember 3.5 years ago my cousin was parked sitting in the car nfront of mine and these SUV’s pull up and block us in, they shoot his car up but don’t kill him yet intentionally. All so they can pour gasoline under the car and shoot the gas therefore igniting the flames and all I could do was just sit there and listen to him scream until it finally stopped..and those smells and the sounds that no man should ever make still come to me in my sleep sometimes. I wake up from a nightmare and smell that smell..I hear those screams and if I was anyone other than who I am I’m scared to say it would almost break me down.
It’s so heartbreaking to see him holding back his tears.🥺
Washington should’ve sent the AC-130 Spectre’s instead of the Blackhawks. They could’ve leveled that entire city in no time and ALOT less US soldiers would’ve died.
Yeah but we were there as humanitarian aid, destroying the city wouldn’t reflect that
@@clamcrewcarclub6017 It said they wanted to be “Discreet” so I could definitely understand that but once it got bad they realllly should’ve reconsidered.
@clamcrewcarclub6017 who brings missiles and weapons to a humanitarian mission? American airstrikes killed somali civilians so the Somalis rightfully defended themselves
*1.* Showing up with said trash bags seems beneath the military standard
*2.* Showing up at the house "to identify" bag's contents, shows there's no need to ID.
*3.* Afghanistan is 7,000 miles away... The smell when you open the bag (See #1)
He may just be wrong. Or this may be propaganda. The latter is based on emotions, especially ones to negate logic and questioning. Either way, a picture would have been sufficient.
By far, one of the best interviews on Shawn's platform
What the SF meaning 82nd SEALs Rangers Green berets and Delta go through not just their training but what they have done and lived through has to be the hardest thing anyone can go through. As a humble medical personnel member I salute you all for your professionalism and your service. SFC retired here. Gb the USA!
funny how they never blame the politicians that put them in that position
I didn’t know that one. I let out a long “Fuuuuuck” when I heard that. Damn… Respect to our men and women of the armed forces.
Just know that the AMERICAN people TRULY appreciate you all. Especially to the family left behind, we thank you
This man’s eyes tell every ounce of pain he is suffering or has suffered I love u sir ! Thank you for your skillz and bravery
My friends husband survived this event, only to be shot down later on his way to a drs appointment for cancer. Ended up dying in a Black Hawk anyway. His wife is a freaking warrior and raised the children right. Very proud of them! Aaron is our hometown hero!
RIP Mr. Weaver...All the Way! FORWARD!!!!
Along time ago.. We were told after we got back from a patrol to clean the Humvee out and fuel it up to get it ready for the next patrol.. We found a roll of really thick heavy bags industrial grade and started to put our Gatorade bottles, dip cups, and mre trash in it.. When we were done, the Gunny came out and said.. " What the hell you guys using those bags for" We looked puzzled and then he said " That's not for garbage, that's for clean up if we get hit with an IED to pick up any remains of a kia.. Basically body part bags.. This is the reality of war..
It amazes me that all this time has went by and we are just now knowing about this horrible horrible happenings. OMG. Prayers for all.
When I think of what they did, I feel overwhelmed. As though I am not worthy to even lace their boots.
The stutter of his lips and eyes between “what hurt me the most” and “about the trash bags”, that really sticks.
Shawn you should consider an interview with Jeff Struecker. I’ve met him a handful of times. I know he was a Ranger. May have won the ROTY competition Was directly involved w the black hawk down rescue effort and was in the battle of Mogadishu. He’s a pastor now in GA, did a convocation at Liberty University and has done interviews with Mike Ritland, American Veterans Center CZcams and a few others. I think it’d be a great episode.
Thank God I never went through combat! The nightmares/ the breakdowns the thoughts these guys/ gals go through must be so tough. We look at them as the toughest SOB’s this country has to offer , but to never get rid of moments must be difficult. You think you have a bad day … these guys live it almost everyday.
my uncle is part of malaysia peace keeper (malbatt) who is part of the team during the extraction of US force from the mogadishu. it still haunt him seeing the dead body lay on the stadium and bullet hole on the truck, the blood. he said that it look like a slaughterhouse
In 22 tears of fire and EMS. I've seen murders double triple homicides. People ripped in half, babies killed, people crushed purple, heads blown off, dead for weeks, months, bloated ect ect. Never do I come home and share those stories. Im not a soldier. Never would i tell a loved one details like that. Your loved one is dead. Leave it at that.