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Star Trek: TNG Review - 7x25, 7x26 All Good Things... | Reverse Angle
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- čas přidán 18. 06. 2023
- We finally made it to the last episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation.
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Sources:
Moore, Ronald D. and Brannon Braga. “All Good Things…” Star Trek: The Next Generation, created by Gene Roddenberry, Season 7, Episode 25/26. Paramount Television, CBS, 1994.
Cameron, James, director. The Terminator. Orion Pictures, 1984.
Gordon, Stuart, director. From Beyond. Empire Pictures, 1986.
Fontana, D.C. and Gene Roddenberry. “Encounter at Farpoint.” Star Trek: The Next Generation, created by Gene Roddenberry, Season 1, Episode 1/2. Paramount Television, CBS, 1987.
Bring on DS9
These guys need serious compensation if they're going to suffer through season 1 of DS9.
Yeah
Yup
Yes please!
Indeed.
I don't mind the "deeper scans" thing. More intensive medical tests also tend to be more invasive and time consuming. "Deeper scans" might require injection of radioactive dyes or medical nanites.
As for Picard's log, personal logs are sealed, and him making a log in the past could be used as evidence that he has actually been traveling through time since he can look up those logs once he returns to the present or goes to the future.
Hello, Nick and Robert. I've rarely ever commented, but I've watched every single one of these. I began watching your TNG reviews years ago, and like everyone, I've gone through some challenging times since 2020. Sometimes I've agreed with your takes, and sometimes I've disagreed, but I've always been there, and now that I'm at the end of this series I can safely say that during even my darkest moments, your reviews have always been there to make things just a tiny bit harder.
Just kidding! It's always been something I've looked forward to, and during times when I didn't have much to look forward to at all, these were a buoy for me. Thank you for the all good times, the Total Recall jokes, the Mondrion hate, Data staring at nothing for five minutes straight, and so much more. From the bottom of my heart, I wish this for both of you: live long, and prosper.
Same.
Two things...
1) at some point this episode was going to include a 4th time period when Picard was Locutius.
2) they knew they were going to make movies after this.
Yep, Generations came out only 6 months after, so I doubt they had the idea they were really wrapping up the series in mind.
@@innocentsmith6091 Generations was written before this episode by the same guys
I cant believe its over :( My Monday morning routine will never be the same. Theres no way I am going to find a video series that replicates the vibe. My life is ruined.
It'd be funny if the impetus to invent time travel came from a desire to rewatch this series as new.
I agree! Maybe Reverse Angle's tech-savvy knowledge can find a way to erase our memories like the Data's friend with the long fingers or when they tried with Ray Wise, so we can experience the episodes for the first time again.
This has been so much fun to look forward to every week, growing up with TnG. This channel needs more subs.
@@jamesbrowne5496 I would settle for them rolling straight into "Star Trek: DS9 Review - 1x1, Emissary | Reverse Angle" so I have more time to hash it out. And yea I classify this channel under "criminally undersubscribed"
@@KickYouInTheThroat Well, I'm glad the low count hasn't discouraged them and they've kept it up. Hopefully the algorithm will kick in and send them through the roof. You never know what will trigger it.
DS9 would be spectacular. I don't know it nearly as well as TNG, so it would be fun to watch the episodes again before watching their reviews.
I've been watching these since Season 1 and it only just occurred to me that these have been coming out on Mondays. I'm such a fool!
Before watching, congrats on finishing the series and going all the way! Has been very entertaining watching through them.
DS9 would be good but think it would be harder to do comedic review style as later seasons of DS9 are excellent and still hold up.
Voyager would be hilarious.
Thanks for all the laughs
Voyager might be worth it just for Threshold.
DS9 can be goofy if you don't take it too seriously.
I love Beverly's ship in this episode. I've always been a sucker for spherical primary hulls!
Agreed, the Pasteur is a great design. Too bad we haven't seen more of it.
@@SaginawCareerComplex it showed up in Lower Decks (the series), that was pretty cool 😊 but yes, I'd love to see even more of it!
The ship is cool but I don't understand why Dr Crusher/Picard is a captain. I guess she could (and did) do the training to become a captain I honestly have no idea how rank works in the Star Trek universe. I just feel her being the Surgeon General of the Federation would make more sense
@@FreejackVesa well it is specifically a hospital ship, which I’d assume would benefit from being captained by someone with both medical and command experience. She always liked command, it’s why she’d take on night shifts captaining the Enterprise D.
Congratulations on toughing it out for 181 videos...soon to be, let me guess...4 more? Season, series, and 2 season bloopers videos? Or maybe an entire series bloopers video? That might be a tall order, though. 😉
Seriously though, thanks for a rose-colored glasses-free look at one of my favorite old series. I still have good memories of the show, but most of them are of me and my friends doing what you guys do. That and discussing the issues the show tried to tackle and trying to come up with different or better solutions/responses. I think that's a big part of why I don't care for much of "Nu-Trek" because it seems like the showrunners put too much of that goofy meta into the shows. It almost seems like they saw how Trekkies joke around about all of the silly things in classic Trek and thought _that_ was the reason people liked the show(s). However, in my experience, I don't think many Trekkies actually really want a show that self-referentially makes fun of itself, so much as they simply want as good/serious a show as possible to watch. I don't know. That's just something that popped into my mind.
I'd be curious to see your take(s) on the Picard series. The first two seasons were pretty bad, but the third season (helmed by Terry Matalas) was a radical tonal shift back to what Next Gen was like. While it was chock-full of memberberries, it was such a radical departure back to the feel of classic Trek that I actually enjoyed it. It's still far from perfect, but people have been clamoring for Matalas to have more control over the franchise so it can get back on track. Especially since CBS is insisting on creating new series after new series in order to get people to sign up for their streaming service. They need somebody who actually understands the franchise to oversee it and basically shepherd future efforts.
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(Actually, I'm just sick of trying to write a long, cohesive thought via the CZcams app. It SUCKS. 🙃)
Peace and long life! 😉 🤓🖖
😎🤘☮️
Bonus points for using a memberberries reference.
@@GregCarlet Memberberries are themselves becoming memberberries. 😉
They had Denise Crosby come back for the finale and missed the opportunity to bring back Sela for the finale. Maybe instead of having the Klingons be the threat, how about Romulan rebels led by Sela? They normally attack Klingon and Romulan ships but seeing a Federation ship in the Neutral Zone is a rare opportunity to get their hands on rare Federation technology. See? That's how you make the episode a lot more interesting.
Maybe even have the two meet each other somehow and see how well Sela really holds up.
@@dycedargselderbrother5353 Yeah but how?
I think that would've been an unnecessary distraction. The Klingons are not important to the story, they're just an obstacle in the crew's path to finding the anomaly. Throwing Sela into the mix would've been throwing an entire plot into the episode rather than a plot-device. It's a fan service move that I would expect from modern Trek but TNG got it right.
@@kobayashimaru8114 New Trek would have been like: "That's not Data, it's Lore from the Mirror Universe!" Then he betrays them all, beams aboard a Borg ship and stands beside the Queen while laughing evilly.
It ended how it began, with the perfect ensemble and the right ending. No need for unnecessary lame extras.
I say it is really good as a final episode, for an episodic show. Where they were, how they are now, and what they will become. With the ending allowed for the future to be different, with an optimistic beat. It is like an appropriate sized dessert after a meal. We feel satisfied without getting sick.
Maybe generations movie after the recap review
DS9 gets too good. Id prefer you suffer through Voyager next.
Whatever you decided to do, thank you so much for these videos. I really enjoy the takes you guys have, your comedy, and the video style. Congratulations on finishing the series.
There's plenty to make fun of in DS9.
@@Doomclown Especially early on, like that episode where O'Brien becomes a space witch doctor for some reason.
Another vote for Voyager here, too.
same, I love Voyager more than DS9
@Doomclown yeah, but even Move Along Home is better than a lot of Voyager!
Fantastic accomplishment. Thanks for following through. Now do DS9 please. I'll miss your Trek content.
I’d finally watch a DS9 episode each week if they review it 😊
Brilliant series, guys! Thanks for the laughs and I hope you get around to reviewing Deep Space Nine someday.
i was so pleased to see obrien back again on the enterprise interracting with the crew as if he was a regular at the time when he wasnt. i'm glad he got some good moments here
Damn, all has come down to this. What a ride. Please do DS9
But Picard did expand his mind. He's the one who grasped the paradox of how he started the problem in the process of trying to solve it. Data fleshed that idea out for him but Picard was the one to get it.
Well done. Hell of a trip. Thank you.
Gotta just say, this was one of the best SERIES FINALES ever ever ever EVER made of all TV. It's hard to name a better one.
So here we are, the moment of the last TNG episode review is here, after what, 3 years?? Pretty surreal, guys! I just hope that 25 years from now Q will show up and take Robert back to this moment in time to fix his freakin C- ! Cause it's an utter blasphemy which can only be explained as an initial symptom of the Irumodic syndrome!
I would love to see your review of First Contact which had a lot of the elements you wish you had seen in this episode.
Big mistake with Data's rank pips during the past time line. He was never shown as a Lt Jnr Grade (double demotion!). Data was always a LtCmdr during the show.
Maybe he got promoted offscreen and made 2nd officer before Encounter at Farpoint, but in this timeline Picard never did that.
@@RichGilly you do not get promoted by TWO ranks like that, and they were already en route.
Also O'Brian and Data sit on wrong chairs. Data was never a helms officer.
Very big blunders!
Thank you for the fun reviews and helping me relive the series! A couple thoughts. This episode, for whatever its faults, offers the best farewell to TNG, more emotionally satisfying by far (for me at least) than what we got from Nemesis or Picard season 3's finale. Even now, 29 years later, the ending still gives me some tingles.
Another observation: by the standards of network television in 1994, TNG was often the best thing on by far. Judging it by the context of what was on offer at the time would probably yield higher ratings, but it's still interesting to hear perspectives from those who never watched it in youth.
I hope you do Voyager. It's silly. You'll LOVE it!
I really liked your thoughts on this one, especially all the criticisms and ideas for improving it. So few people talk ill about this episode, so that was refreshing.
Also, I laughed real hard at that "She should've scanned her ship deeper!" I dunno why, but that comment really got me XD
Also, I humbly suggest that you watch Voyager before Deep Space 9. If you watch Deep Space 9 first, Voyager might be very disappointing...
" HE HOPES
HIS NEXT LEAP
WILL BE THE LEAP HOME "
Picard season 3 explains everything
Fist shaking time. (Not really.)
I disagreed with the C-, but I think it might come down to perspective. We have had a lot of passable to good sci-fi since this was originally aired. I will confine my fist-shaking comments to one scene that should illustrate my point.
When Future Enterprise attacks the Klingon ship FROM BELOW, that had all of my friends whooping and hollering as we watched it for the first time. Star Trek never before had used the 3rd dimension so well before, not even in the Wrath of Khan where they specifically mentioned it. It was an example of them delivering something new and exciting, even in the final episode.
This ending understood the audience and delivered a satisfying conclusion for that audience.
I'm still mad that the future Enterprise goes back and sees the anomaly even though it supposedly grows backward in time, not forward.
Maybe it's an inflection point, it grows in either direction in time from a single point in time.
Congrats on concluding TNG lads
Looking forward to what you do next!
Well...the ending...damn, time goes by fast, you know, when I first saw this show from the beginning, I followed it and when I saw that ending I felt perfect. That last sentence from Deanna was a great success, and without a doubt a great closing...
You know, I don't know about you but a Dont Stop Believing or a My Baby Blue would have been that ending, and the last thing, that camera that goes and looks at the ceiling and records everyone playing poker, reminded me of Breaking Bad xd yes, I think that me, the guy who saw The Sopranos and Breaking Bad, would say that, but I still like that original ending :,D
Thanks guys for following this and giving us good smiles :D
Congratulations gentlemen. You are free.
The plot line has a few holes (eg: The anomoly gets bigger in the past and returning to the where the anomoly appeared in the future to see it being formed wouldn't work, it's the wrong way around, and also, the past crew seem to put an enormous amount of faith in their very new captain's odd orders).
Despite the minor niggles, this is an astonishing episode. There is some great character development for the future time-line and some great memories of the past time-line. The interaction between the characters in the future is really well done, with some great conflicts. Future Worf and Data are great.
The aging make-up is pretty good as well.
Q is fabulous, as always.
The end scene is beautifully done. Patrick Stewart is fabulous (obvs), the way he sits at the table and takes a slow look at the rest of the crew is touching.
A
The basic problem was that pre-production on the first TNG film had already started. So a series finale could not be effectively a movie-type story, or an actual conclusion. For the same reason the Borg couldn't be used, since that would be held in reserve for a potential film script. Moving back and forwards through the series timeline and possible future was inevitably a way of ending the series, but not cutting off any options for the movies.
How did I not catch that Geordi was married to Dr. Brahm’s?! I’m sure the story behind that is expectedly creepy. LOL I love when I still get Easter eggs after all these years!
Actually, Picard refers to Geordi’s wife only as Leah. There are a lot of Leahs out there.😊
It would have been real creepy if Picard also referred to Riker's wife as Minuet
It’s been a long road. See you in the next one I’m really into.
Hoping you two will at least do Voyager.
this should've been
STAR TREK: GENERATIONS
Thanks for all the amazing takes, great job with the series!!!
I just realized that the anomaly should have been small when they got there, and as they scan it, then it should shrink since it gets big in the past...
Freaking brilliant analysis! You guys are a blast to listen to. I'm late to the party but glad I finally arrived.
Its nice to find a series that's still being updated
Oh shit its the last episode
Nice job getting to the end guys! I have been enjoying your episodes for years now. You have such talent and I will suggest again that you do some reviews on things that are current and relevant. Pick something on the Netflix top 10 and roll with it. A channel like yours should be at 1 million subscribers and I think the only reason it isn’t is you are focusing in on shows that at this point a lot of people haven’t even heard about much less care about.
3 words ... Deep space nine.
Excellent work , each episode feels like watching the series again with good friends., And joking about the obvious short comings of each episode.
Would love to see the same done with Deep space nine. That is yet to be reviewed this way by any critic in CZcams.
"Yeah, that's why, when you die, your brain -- explodes." 😂
So, apparently, there will be a Babylon5 cartoon movie with a plot being similar to this episode. With "because tachyons" playing the role of "because anti-time", and "cornfield with an old guy" playing the role of a "wineyard with an old guy".
I saw a preview for that and I definitely got Quantum Leap vibes lol ...
@@1down4upworkshop61 "How will it all end?" "In Great Balls of Fire!"
Thankyou very much for this acerbic and hilarious romp through TNG, brought back a lot of memories from my childhood watching the show!
I came across your channel earlier this year and have enjoyed it immensely. I got to revisit TNG without having to actually rewatch it, plus I loved your snarky takes on it. I hope this isn't the end (other than the upcoming retrospective videos you mentioned) and that you keep going with another Trek series.
Hey!!!!, that's my tote bin at 05:08, they just slapped a futuristic sticker on the side to throw me off.
Writers had a challenge to write a story that would not interfere with DS9, with a small budget and to tie the beginning and the end together. At the same time introduce a new way of thinking where the perception of reality had a non-linear time perspective like the wormhole aliens that sent the orbs and made Captain Sisko the emissary in DS9 or in the 2014 movie Interstellar where the main character tries to use the tesseract to communicate with his daughter in the past by using gravity strings at different book shelves representing different time periods. Any place, at any time, or it is all happening everywhere all the time kind of thinking.
Yeah, in “Allegiance”, with the Picard dobbleganger, the bridge crew outright refused to move the ship closer to the deadly anomaly(star, whatever), certain death for all. The real Picard was in the alien laboratory prison. Plot now has the bridge crew blindly following their death orders. Other examples, too. Entire bridge crew following blind destruction orders, was not true to the series.
Well, it was supposed to be just another season finale before they decided to make it the series finale which is why it doesn’t give much closure to the crew, and even then they would have made the movies so they weren’t going to tie everything anyways
Well done! A great body of work.
An orchard?? That's the vineyard at Château Picard!
I just finished TNG. I started this journey a year ago and after every episode I watched I would then watch your reviews. So cool my own personal journey ends around the same time your guys journey ends. It’s been a fun ride.
Also, if you ever need to jump the queue when waiting for the toilet, saying that you have Irumodic Syndrome almost always works ... I hear.
I really enjoy watching these videos, and I hope you're riding this train all the way to the end - I am, of course, talking about the TNG movies ;-)
I am surprised you did not mention that it was the Pastur not the Enterprise that did the scan that created the anomoly. Then later Picard points it out.
Since you mentioned the borg being a better plot. Maybe they could attack Earth, but picard helps destroy them. But they launch a smaller ship maybe a sphere. It goes back in time and the Enterprise follows. They they try to stop the first warp flight. Have a Landing Party try and make sure the first Warp Flight happens while the Borg is assumulating everyone on the ship. The twist, the warp flight was First Contact with the Vulcans. Also there were allong of good episodes in the season. Although it was a mixed bag.
Would love to see you tackle voyager next if you're up for it, it's a generally alright series but with a lot of episodes that are well below par as well, so I'd think you'd enjoy it. :)
It was the series that got me into star trek so I have a soft spot for it
Thanks for these videos and these episode reviews. I really liked the finale. I, too, thought it was a good book-end episode. I give your series of episode reviews an A-. The minus for all the times you disagreed with me so you were clearly wrong. :)
21:54 that’s it. That’s what they needed to do.
At least we got ST: FC
At least Deep Space Nine gave us a good ending.
Great commentary, as usual! I'm a bit surprised for this had the same grades as "Drumhead," which had some of the most epic Picard speeches. I definitely agreed with Nick's 'A-' there. This, I'll admit, they had a slightly "too" clever explanation on the paradox "solution", which probably is nonsense, but worked in this series. I think they ended on a memorable high note, as there were some way worse episodes in the last season. I would give the two-part finale a "B+". Reverse Angle's Reviews, get a straight "A". They were usually hilarious and didn't hold back when called for.
Two parter? The way I watched this in 1994 would beg to differ.
6:02 Data is a lieutenent jr grade now? They forgot the second silver pip!
Bringing out the heavy guns critiquing this one, but it's well deserved. Upping the stakes would be a solid improvement.
It would've been nice to devote some time to showing serious push back to Picard's plan in the Season 1 timeline, to the point of them relieving him of his command and confining him to quarters, him desperately trying to convince everyone that he is from the future by recalling things about them. Data would be the one to finally put the pieces together and work with him to take over the ship, as androids do. Maybe recruiting a few others along the way as Picard convinces them, Yar and Worf for instance when they try to stop him ("We _have_ sworn a duty to our captain," etc), Beverly for personal reasons, maybe Troi since she can sense he's being genuine (maybe her abilities improve in reverse - thanks anomaly!), a few others. Band of misfits type thing. It can't be any worse than what we got. Pile on the stakes til it looks like the national debt.
Voyager would be a good next series for you to do ...
it's been an honor serving with you sirs o7
I find the negative reviews more entertaining than the positive ones, so… Star Trek Discovery: The Vulcan Hello, please!
The past part was always dragged behind, weirding the characters the hell out.
ANYONE NOTICE
the season 1 uniforms
look better in this episode
than in the actual
season 1 episodes
1994
PATRICK STEWART
looks younger than
1987
PATRICK STEWART
in this episode's
season 1 uniform
Don't ever stop guys. I would love to hear your thoughts on New Trek. ✌🏻🤣
Picard is a master of the cockblock between troi and worf.
Gentlemen, it's been an honor listening to your videos about TNG. Hope to hear from you later on some other Trek themed video series.
Congrats, guys! 🎉
I'm going to use the man of honor trick to get an extra slice of cake.
Didn't Wesley move beyond anything they had considered before when he ran off with the traveler?
Definitely a thoughtful review! Am hoping you do more 90s Trek one day, but hearing new perspectives ln a show people thought was perfect at the time has been a breath of fresh air.
Nitpicks to this episode aside, I love this finale for it trying to be original in its own way, even if it is cribbing the basic alternate timeline idea of "Yesterday's Enterprise" and goes all meth with it.
Q helping Picard despite being told by the Continuum to wipe them out, while getting Picard to be the vehicle for humanity's form of execution was pretty cool...
I'm not sure bringing back the Borg would have been good. I like your take, but after Descent, I thought the Borg story was finished.
I do wonder if they tried to bring in Guinan or other characters, but had to rewrite. It's amazing that what was filmed comes across so good, but it might be due more to the style and execution than the underlying plot.
Still an A- for me. Or an easy in terms of season 7 considering how inconsistent season 7 was.
Oh, didn't Gene Roddenberry hate the idea of ships with odd numbers of nacelles? And yet the 1701-D with three never looked better.
Remember at this time, they rushing the end of the show to do the movie.
APPLAUDS 🎉 You guys have been Amazing! TY.
We're here already? Sadness and happiness...
You said you regretted some of your previous grades, well hopefully that includes "Most Toys" which you both rated bad. Grrrrrr. Also "Inner Light" which you guys surprisingly joined the mainstream and both rated an "A", that was the episode I was hoping you would tear apart as the more you think about it, the more stupid and horrifying it is.
But overall, Thank you for your excellent job. I seen and enjoyed every video (except the aforementioned Most Toys" & "Inner Light"), I don't know how you guys aren't getting at least 100K views every video, but I am sure many more people will eventually find and enjoy your videos for years to come.
Thanks again!!!
Really hoping we get more Trek. DS9 is a better show than Voyager, but I really think I'd rather see you guys review and make fun of a lot of the bad Voyager episodes 🤣🤣🤣...
Great job. Thoroughly enjoyed the whole thing! 👏🏻
Yesterday's enterprise would have been a good finale amirite
Pretty sure the romulans had been incognito for like 20 years at that point
I would have left some of my own slime in that pool. Thus seeding Earth's life with my DNA.
I would be "closing the loop".
"What are you doing over there, Jean Luc?"
"Uhm, nothing."
"Why are your pants down? Is that space porno I see?"
Now it`s time for DS9
Thanks for the reviews on a fond Sci-Fi series!
Interesting grade polarity. I graded this one a B-. This one was a better time-jumping episode than most, but it's still a time-jumper and I feel it's something used too often (especially in this series).
Episode name alternatives:
The Last Timebender
The Good (past seasons), the Bad (present season), and the Ugly (future series)
Payment Received for Smoking Those Funny-Looking Cigarettes
A paradox requires: Uncontroversial premises, valid reasoning (in whatever logical system is relevant), and a contradiction ... At best this seems to be a pseudoparadox ... Unless there was something nonobvious buried in the technobabble?
I hate that you basically asked for seasons 2 and 3 of Picard.
RE: Pulling a Janeway - They even make that same joke in Lower Decks!
This has been a fun ride! Years of entertainment!
The A doesn't make any sense with Nick's points, but the dialogue is always great.
Please do the movies!
Have greatly enjoyed & appreciated your episode reviews, 😜 looking forward to what's next ✌️
Well the syndrome gets retconned in picard season 3, though I treak nu trek as an alternate timeline anyways. Though in fairness the TNG films weren't very goo deither. Hmm.. Well anyways it's been a long road getting from there to here. But with a little faith of th eheart you guys made it. I enjoyed the ride, even though I was late to the party. Great work guys.
My absolute favorite part of your reviews is that there are two of you, and you do not agree on things. That seems fairly unique to see two different people who do not necessarily agree on their opinions both reviewing the same thing. GG.
Dangit. I was hoping to have been caught up before you guys finished. Well I guess there's still the "Season 6 Thoughts" episode.
Congrats making it through 6 whole seasons of TNG!
Edit: now do Gilmore Girls
I'm glad that Nick is here in these reviews.
I feel like Robert just complains his entire life.
Also he complains about meaningless fan service, but then wants basically a Borg rampage, which is basically the 'Star Trek Destiny' book series...which is basically fanfiction.
Bring on TOS, DS9 and TOS Movies, TNG movies and Picard season 3!
Honestly with the way season 3 ended technically q did not need to be in this episode and you could have the same plot for the most part.
Thanks for this awesome series of yours. Will you do the Star Trek TNG Movies next? They would be fun too I bet.
I watched every episode and of Buffy too.