The biggest worry is despite building the prototype of Tejas in 2021 , why no prototype of Tejas Mark 2 has come up till now . HAL is used to making excuses like COVID , non sanctioning of funds by CCS , delay in receiving engines , ejecting seat , refueling drouges , delay in supply chain delays , No infrastructure to build more than 5/6 aircrafts etc etc . Do anyone is held accountable . The way they are building Tejas Mark 1A it will take at least 20 years . Defence Minister and PM must pull up HAL and someone held accountable .
@@rajeshbobba3851you cannot just give everything on platter to private sector. Problem with private sector is that they are not ready to innovate and invest money in R&D. they have colonial mindset.
@@abansalify Technology is not free, private sector will pay royalties as it will license manufacturing like it was done in case of sukhoi and fund research of ADA.
😎 What about the "learning curve" Indian industry has to go through. With Mirage fighter jet assembly line, our industry would have learned nothing. With Tejas our Industry has learned and sustained its operations till time. Our Defense Ministry and Chief of staff are very smart to select Tejas program for production! ✌
This is a great podcast.....Good to see the Mr.Shiv communicating openly about the relationships between HAL & IAF and how its getting better. As you speak it clear explains that for MK1A to be operational , Moving to MK2 being operational then AMCA we see a clear gap of 10-20 years for these platforms to be fully operational. Do you not see that with a current squadron strength of 32 -33 , and current constant tussle with China & Pak (2 Front Scenario) India should go ahead for a gap fill with MMRCA ( or a similar sort of Govt to Govt Deal like Rafale) would love to hear opinions over it....!!
On the topic of involvement of private sector for AMCA, could you guys make an episode around how US, built their 5th generation fighter planes. If I'm not mistaken its built with the help of Lockheed Martin.
It is high time India prioritizes resources to speed up AMCA by dropping TEDBF or de-prioritize it to follow-up AMCA as AMCA-Navy derivative. Possibly Navy can handle it's responsibilities with Rafale-M for the next decade or two. All the more reason to order more Rafales for AF and Navy (combine MRFA for both) and create Rafale production line in India. Having a substantial number of Rafale's, Tejas Mk1a and 2, Su30 UPG as 4th Gen wokhorses plus inducting Stealth UAVs (MALE and HALE) capable of delivering payload, built in numbers and additional advanced AWACS should give us enough deterrence to keep 5th gen platform threats at arms length and have stealth response options. This should give us time to develop, rollout and mature AMCA on priority basis. There should have been a joint AF + Navy long term planning in this regard, probably in the 2015s when J20s started showing up in numbers, but i see very little evidence this joint planning happened. Missing CDS role here. Also, Tejas Mk2 design is already frozen, but could ideally have been a test bed for fine tuning tech for AMCA... like validating DSI air intakes, Super cruise, advanced data link and AI enabled MMI... so that AMCA team can focus on perfecting stealth, but that does not seem to be the case. Lots of firsts in AMCA :(
@@lordzroger951 No evidence of ADA stopping work on TEDBF but not a lot to show either. Even if it is not consuming a lot of resources, still prioritizing also means communicating plans clearly to stake holders are clear what to expect. If stopped work means tell Navy so and not lead them along. I have not seen official announcements one way or another on TEDBF.
Very good discussion, you both need to keep posting such pod casts, it educates the general public and helps them understand how well their tax is used for their own security, and the life’s people stake to achieve self reliance.
It was a great podcast , always a big fan of Shiv’s clarity of thought and technical knowledge. One question I had was regarding British Tempest , doesn’t UK and major NATO allies use American F-35 currently as fifth generation platform , and Tempest is more of a 6th generation futuristic shift from UK ?
In India, big companies won't take government R&D projects comprehensively because there is a no contractual committment made by either DRDO, MOD or HAL! For instance, L&T would be made to invest huge amount to develop the aircraft and if the either to these guy change their mind, all investments are wasted. Hence the private players won't get in unless there is super strong support from the government! However, opposition start crying Adani and Ambani if it happens, like in Rafale. On contrary, look at TATA-Boeing deal, Boeing assured the business potential and Tata invested the resources to chrun out the aircrafts on time!
India should actually work on 6th generation air fighter. This will also help in show casing our technology advance and edge over neighboring threats. The pride of India in air defense.
Shiv aap hamesha se authentic conversionst rahe hai.AMKA ke bare mein aapki aur print ke reporting mein bahut fark Hai ! Aapko challenge karna chahie, Is se hamen Sahi chijen jaane ka mauka milega, Lekin aap log media ki bhai chara nibhate Hain.
Thanks for explaining every core of the aspect.But one simple question..Why dont we hear F35 of F22 or for that matter F16 or F18 which are 75 years old platforms. Why only Indian pilots have to manipulate any Flying Coffin,Widow maker or its newest version(30 years old Lca) of imported foreign products assembled in India. Talking about AMCA It will be fully operational by the time the world would be talking about 10 generation aircraft.
yes its good first crash has happened without much loss and especially at the point of time in practice , now we know a few more facts which we can set right before the D day.
It has taken 16 years to get approval for AMCA. IAF is still in double mind over this project and still want more imported items and HAL monopoly another reason for the delay.
50 IAF aircraft and helicopters have killed 55 Indians in 5 years. More were injured or simply walked away from crashes. One of the worst records worldwide.
Mastery and Frist fighter plane prototype if not fully atmanirbhar in 2030 what's use ???? China,usa , Russia, France where do We stand ??? If China seeing opportunity attack now seeing it's now or never with India Next 2 yrs ??? Have government guts to work day and night agressive cutting edge technology with plane and peace of mind ????
Can we have a discussion on IAF's love for delta wing fighters. I mean the list includes: Mig 21, Tejas, Mirage, Rafale, Tedbf, AMCA. Why this trust on Delta wing fighters. And is MMRCA still alive or we dropped it due to the fund crunch.
*Guru ghantal tell me one thing. what is Indian navy doin gin Arabian ocean? chasing pirates like coast guards? How come they have no used there missiles and drones not even one against Houthis who have directly attacked 5 commercial ships owned by Indian or sailing to Indian ports. This is the right opportunity to test their Bhramose and askash radars, NAVIC GPS and other weapons system in actual WAR conditions to test their accuracy and increase their demand in the world for the made in India weapons. I think Indian Navy chicken out. They are avoiding battle field like sea of ADAN strait. What is your view?*
Cutting edge? By the time India has some sort of a 5th Gen plane.. The US and China would be flying 6th Gen ones with 7th Gen on the drawing board. India should buy... We all know where this AMCA project is going. So unless they are in no hurry. Can't have it both ways.
Actually he is right, Even Non-State actors can build the bomb if they get their hands on enough weapon grade plutonium, but the delivery system for the weapon is the real challenge, that is the more complex part.
What a foolish statement. Countries like North Korea, Pakistan, and even Iran are capable of creating nuclear weapons. Thanks to people like you dumb, it's going to be difficult.
Tell me this, after almost 60 years how come Indian military doesn’t use an indigenous assault rifle? If INSAS had defects how come military didn’t get with the private or public enterprise to produce a better rifle instead of this tamasha of importing AK 203 (or even assembling in UP) from Russia? This is so humiliating for a country aspiring to be global pole power.
. ACNE V’s? You know how many EMP batteries, how many laser batteries, how many microwave batteries, and how many this and that will be powered on once those ACNE’s are detected launched from their launch pads? Think crop circles! It’s not a phenomenon! It’s an actual weapons system! :
It is a high risk program and private sector of India like Tatas and L&T are more of Cost Cutting Cookie Cutters - basically overrated in terms of stepping up and taking high investment and risk initiative. It is one thing to preach and another thing to practice it . Shame.
Way too long podcast. Please improve quality of content. 1st 15mins diverted to LCA, ejections, etc. Tempest & FCAS are 6th gen concepts. 5th gen jet concept & AMCA was hardly discussed properly. Finally, MIRV & the nuclear weapon is not a simple dumb device just keeping in mind the process of nuclear fission/fusion like we read in school. There are geometrically calculated & placed conventional shaped-charges creating the pressure & temperature starting the nuclear process for desired yield. Because of such improvements, today's MIRVs have much higher yield & are much smaller than "little boy", "fat man". The hit accuracy has also improved a lot. There are safety & abort mechanisms also which will destroy mid-flight missile/vehicle but not go nuclear.
I do not agree with ur analysis airforce is not providing final specification in time engine agreements not on time and they want aircraft on time go and invite pvt sector to manufacture pvt sector कि अवकात ही नही है
it will be total suicidal if trying to use it, here is why: The Himalayas rise to an elevation of 4,500 meters on the Chinese side. Atop these mountains, numerous long-range (4,000 km) early warning radars (AESA) are stationed, providing comprehensive coverage of every inch of India's territory. Any launch is promptly detected within the first 5 seconds, and its trajectory is calculated. If deemed hostile, anti-missiles are deployed to intercept it, ensuring its explosion before reaching the Himalayas. Simultaneously, China's hypersonic missiles, impervious to interception by current defense systems, swiftly reach major cities to the west within minutes.
Along the LAC, mirror deployments have been put in place to ward off China. In the Indian Ocean Rim, India and its allies will not only take the lead but also successfully obstruct China's maritime energy route. The nuclear triad has been accomplished in terms of the apocalyptic scenario. It can only get better and better. India can no longer be intimidated by China. Concerning the direct energy weapon (DEW), also, be at ease.
oh of course. But India doesn't need 12000 km missiles. It can build them if it really wants. What would be the purpose? To combat global capitalism as represented by GM and McDonalds? That has been China's rationale, laughable and hypocritical as it is.
I'm really glad so much detail is covered in this podcast. It's amazing... you guys are amazing.😊😊
The biggest worry is despite building the prototype of Tejas in 2021 , why no prototype of Tejas Mark 2 has come up till now .
HAL is used to making excuses like COVID , non sanctioning of funds by CCS , delay in receiving engines , ejecting seat , refueling drouges , delay in supply chain delays , No infrastructure to build more than 5/6 aircrafts etc etc .
Do anyone is held accountable . The way they are building Tejas Mark 1A it will take at least 20 years . Defence Minister and PM must pull up HAL and someone held accountable .
because gef414 deal is still pending
Mk2 is sanctioned last year by ccs. So it take 2-3 yrs for prototype
Solution is to transfer technology to private sector for Manufacturing and post sales services.
@@rajeshbobba3851you cannot just give everything on platter to private sector. Problem with private sector is that they are not ready to innovate and invest money in R&D. they have colonial mindset.
@@abansalify Technology is not free, private sector will pay royalties as it will license manufacturing like it was done in case of sukhoi and fund research of ADA.
Love this programme.
Great info.
Always updated.
Wonderful knowledge.
Keep it up !
😎 What about the "learning curve" Indian industry has to go through. With Mirage fighter jet assembly line, our industry would have learned nothing. With Tejas our Industry has learned and sustained its operations till time. Our Defense Ministry and Chief of staff are very smart to select Tejas program for production! ✌
Great initiative, thanks Team.
Show this to Abhijeet iyer Mitra!
This is a great podcast.....Good to see the Mr.Shiv communicating openly about the relationships between HAL & IAF and how its getting better. As you speak it clear explains that for MK1A to be operational , Moving to MK2 being operational then AMCA we see a clear gap of 10-20 years for these platforms to be fully operational. Do you not see that with a current squadron strength of 32 -33 , and current constant tussle with China & Pak (2 Front Scenario) India should go ahead for a gap fill with MMRCA ( or a similar sort of Govt to Govt Deal like Rafale) would love to hear opinions over it....!!
On the topic of involvement of private sector for AMCA, could you guys make an episode around how US, built their 5th generation fighter planes. If I'm not mistaken its built with the help of Lockheed Martin.
Hey guys loving these episodes .. could you make one episode for the Kaveri engine, it's problems it's future ..
Very intelligent and sharp questions and equally well answered . Excellent session
It is high time India prioritizes resources to speed up AMCA by dropping TEDBF or de-prioritize it to follow-up AMCA as AMCA-Navy derivative. Possibly Navy can handle it's responsibilities with Rafale-M for the next decade or two. All the more reason to order more Rafales for AF and Navy (combine MRFA for both) and create Rafale production line in India. Having a substantial number of Rafale's, Tejas Mk1a and 2, Su30 UPG as 4th Gen wokhorses plus inducting Stealth UAVs (MALE and HALE) capable of delivering payload, built in numbers and additional advanced AWACS should give us enough deterrence to keep 5th gen platform threats at arms length and have stealth response options. This should give us time to develop, rollout and mature AMCA on priority basis. There should have been a joint AF + Navy long term planning in this regard, probably in the 2015s when J20s started showing up in numbers, but i see very little evidence this joint planning happened. Missing CDS role here. Also, Tejas Mk2 design is already frozen, but could ideally have been a test bed for fine tuning tech for AMCA... like validating DSI air intakes, Super cruise, advanced data link and AI enabled MMI... so that AMCA team can focus on perfecting stealth, but that does not seem to be the case. Lots of firsts in AMCA :(
Tedbf already drop, not sure they will ever make that.
@@lordzroger951 No evidence of ADA stopping work on TEDBF but not a lot to show either. Even if it is not consuming a lot of resources, still prioritizing also means communicating plans clearly to stake holders are clear what to expect. If stopped work means tell Navy so and not lead them along. I have not seen official announcements one way or another on TEDBF.
Rafale to tejas: crash kyu hua, tere paas 2 engine nhi hei kya
Tejas: 40:38
Very good discussion, you both need to keep posting such pod casts, it educates the general public and helps them understand how well their tax is used for their own security, and the life’s people stake to achieve self reliance.
Shiv is capable best defence journalist as per my defence interest knowledge...
Full form of MIRV is Multiple Independently-targetable Reentry Vehicle not as dev said "Multiple Independently-targetable Reusable Vehicle"
Can edge only with Faster adaptation by '31. May be more prototypes in shorter testing time and realistic mk1 targets can smoothen the process.
Tejas had to happen before India can hope to have AMCA.
It was a great podcast , always a big fan of Shiv’s clarity of thought and technical knowledge. One question I had was regarding British Tempest , doesn’t UK and major NATO allies use American F-35 currently as fifth generation platform , and Tempest is more of a 6th generation futuristic shift from UK ?
Yess
In India, big companies won't take government R&D projects comprehensively because there is a no contractual committment made by either DRDO, MOD or HAL! For instance, L&T would be made to invest huge amount to develop the aircraft and if the either to these guy change their mind, all investments are wasted. Hence the private players won't get in unless there is super strong support from the government! However, opposition start crying Adani and Ambani if it happens, like in Rafale. On contrary, look at TATA-Boeing deal, Boeing assured the business potential and Tata invested the resources to chrun out the aircrafts on time!
Apparently the plane continued to fly in a stable manner and did not nosedive into the ground. Could it be a flame out of the engine.
India should actually work on 6th generation air fighter. This will also help in show casing our technology advance and edge over neighboring threats. The pride of India in air defense.
Lets go for 10th Gen bro...
Shiv aap hamesha se authentic conversionst rahe hai.AMKA ke bare mein aapki aur print ke reporting mein bahut fark Hai !
Aapko challenge karna chahie,
Is se hamen Sahi chijen jaane ka mauka milega,
Lekin aap log media ki bhai chara nibhate Hain.
Thanks for explaining every core of the aspect.But one simple question..Why dont we hear F35 of F22 or for that matter F16 or F18 which are 75 years old platforms.
Why only Indian pilots have to manipulate any Flying Coffin,Widow maker or its newest version(30 years old Lca) of imported foreign products assembled in India.
Talking about AMCA It will be fully operational by the time the world would be talking about 10 generation aircraft.
yes its good first crash has happened without much loss and especially at the point of time in practice , now we know a few more facts which we can set right before the D day.
Bro, @00:15:36 MIRV is Multiple Independantly-targetable REENTRY Vehicles, it is not reuseable!
India should also focus on military transport aircraft and civil airplanes
Are you the guest on the podcast?
Its called Multiple Independant Renetry Vehicle right? Not reusable?
Please make a separate channel for this podcast so people can subscribe to it without getting reminders for the other videos posted.
Are you saying tejas mk 2 will not be an advanced aircraft.?
MIRV= reentry vehicle and not reusable vehicle.
Please resolve
beshak 10-12 nuclear MIRVs ke sath 5000-8000 km range ki Agni-5 missile china aur pakistan ke liye behad khatarnak bun gayi hai.🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨
India needs more Rafales this is an absolute necessity. Can’t understand why current government is delaying it
Tell me about indias plan on nuclear attack submarine
chill its not the congress anymore wepoone system upgraded on fast track since the BJP came in.
It has taken 16 years to get approval for AMCA. IAF is still in double mind over this project and still want more imported items and HAL monopoly another reason for the delay.
50 IAF aircraft and helicopters have killed 55 Indians in 5 years. More were injured or simply walked away from crashes. One of the worst records worldwide.
Mastery and Frist fighter plane prototype if not fully atmanirbhar in 2030 what's use ???? China,usa , Russia, France where do We stand ??? If China seeing opportunity attack now seeing it's now or never with India Next 2 yrs ???
Have government guts to work day and night agressive cutting edge technology with plane and peace of mind ????
Will amca be a true 5th generation fighter aircraft???
Probably no as F414 engine does not have super cruise without afterburner
Can we have a discussion on IAF's love for delta wing fighters. I mean the list includes: Mig 21, Tejas, Mirage, Rafale, Tedbf, AMCA. Why this trust on Delta wing fighters. And is MMRCA still alive or we dropped it due to the fund crunch.
Will the Indian firms like SSS get orders for their guns from the armed forces?
Tejas fighter aircraft crash is a human error. Indian pilots have to do better to fly advanced fighter aircraft.
Lacking in depth guys. Need to improve.
*Guru ghantal tell me one thing. what is Indian navy doin gin Arabian ocean? chasing pirates like coast guards? How come they have no used there missiles and drones not even one against Houthis who have directly attacked 5 commercial ships owned by Indian or sailing to Indian ports. This is the right opportunity to test their Bhramose and askash radars, NAVIC GPS and other weapons system in actual WAR conditions to test their accuracy and increase their demand in the world for the made in India weapons. I think Indian Navy chicken out. They are avoiding battle field like sea of ADAN strait. What is your view?*
Cutting edge? By the time India has some sort of a 5th Gen plane.. The US and China would be flying 6th Gen ones with 7th Gen on the drawing board. India should buy... We all know where this AMCA project is going. So unless they are in no hurry. Can't have it both ways.
Why are you guys talking in third person 😅
What a a ridiculous argument to hear as to say nuclear bomb is not complicated device. Thanks for your expertise 😝👎👎👎👎👎👎
Actually he is right, Even Non-State actors can build the bomb if they get their hands on enough weapon grade plutonium, but the delivery system for the weapon is the real challenge, that is the more complex part.
What a foolish statement. Countries like North Korea, Pakistan, and even Iran are capable of creating nuclear weapons. Thanks to people like you dumb, it's going to be difficult.
Tell me this, after almost 60 years how come Indian military doesn’t use an indigenous assault rifle? If INSAS had defects how come military didn’t get with the private or public enterprise to produce a better rifle instead of this tamasha of importing AK 203 (or even assembling in UP) from Russia? This is so humiliating for a country aspiring to be global pole power.
Tejas is inducted recently rather it have been under development for many years. So this will be its first and many of crashes😂😂😂😂😂
Idiotic message. It has an excellent record of crash free flying.
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ACNE V’s?
You know how many EMP batteries, how many laser batteries, how many microwave batteries, and how many this and that will be powered on once those ACNE’s are detected launched from their launch pads? Think crop circles! It’s not a phenomenon! It’s an actual weapons system!
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It is a high risk program and private sector of India like Tatas and L&T are more of Cost Cutting Cookie Cutters - basically overrated in terms of stepping up and taking high investment and risk initiative. It is one thing to preach and another thing to practice it . Shame.
Way too long podcast. Please improve quality of content. 1st 15mins diverted to LCA, ejections, etc. Tempest & FCAS are 6th gen concepts. 5th gen jet concept & AMCA was hardly discussed properly. Finally, MIRV & the nuclear weapon is not a simple dumb device just keeping in mind the process of nuclear fission/fusion like we read in school. There are geometrically calculated & placed conventional shaped-charges creating the pressure & temperature starting the nuclear process for desired yield. Because of such improvements, today's MIRVs have much higher yield & are much smaller than "little boy", "fat man". The hit accuracy has also improved a lot. There are safety & abort mechanisms also which will destroy mid-flight missile/vehicle but not go nuclear.
If she is desensitised to the issue then why is she sitting there and virtue signalling? She is so nice?
I do not agree with ur analysis airforce is not providing final specification in time engine agreements not on time and they want aircraft on time go and invite pvt sector to manufacture pvt sector कि अवकात ही नही है
it will be total suicidal if trying to use it, here is why: The Himalayas rise to an elevation of 4,500 meters on the Chinese side. Atop these mountains, numerous long-range (4,000 km) early warning radars (AESA) are stationed, providing comprehensive coverage of every inch of India's territory. Any launch is promptly detected within the first 5 seconds, and its trajectory is calculated. If deemed hostile, anti-missiles are deployed to intercept it, ensuring its explosion before reaching the Himalayas. Simultaneously, China's hypersonic missiles, impervious to interception by current defense systems, swiftly reach major cities to the west within minutes.
Along the LAC, mirror deployments have been put in place to ward off China. In the Indian Ocean Rim, India and its allies will not only take the lead but also successfully obstruct China's maritime energy route. The nuclear triad has been accomplished in terms of the apocalyptic scenario. It can only get better and better. India can no longer be intimidated by China. Concerning the direct energy weapon (DEW), also, be at ease.
But it is mirv, China itself will be damaged hugely in any conflict with India involving long range missiles, and( let's hope not) nuclear bombs.
China's better version, DF 41, with range 12000 km, with MIRV, tested in 1994, 30 years ahead of Agni 5 with MIRV
oh of course. But India doesn't need 12000 km missiles. It can build them if it really wants. What would be the purpose? To combat global capitalism as represented by GM and McDonalds? That has been China's rationale, laughable and hypocritical as it is.
Inse puchiye MRFA ki file pe kaun baitha hai ?
kaun baitha hai?
@@dukhi_aatma372 wo paapi ka naam hai - Defence Acquisition Council- basically government
@@virajdoshi ok 👍
Now TEJAS is going to hold the title of FLYING COFFIN as we currently call to Mig-21.
why do you say that? LCA has an excellent record.
Full form of MIRV is Multiple Independently-targetable Reentry Vehicle not as dev said "Multiple Independently-targetable Reusable Vehicle"