Here Is The SHOCKING Cost Of Electric Car Batteries From Every Car Brand
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- čas přidán 13. 01. 2024
- Here is the shocking cost of electric car batteries from every car brand. We share how much electric car batteries cost to replace for every major car brand, including Hyundai, Kia, Ford, Tesla, and GM. We also compare EV and hybrid car battery prices, and share what you can do to reduce the risks and prevent a costly nightmare. If you are buying a new electric car or electric SUV, make sure to watch this video.
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I thought my car battery for $150 was expensive 😳
It was 2020 now 230$ average in Canada 😊( battery cost) in 2024
Many newer vehicles have more technology now, especially when it comes to safety, fuel economy, and infotainment systems, thus many newer vehicles need larger batteries to power those items and that's why batteries are getting more expensive now.
My Grand Cherokee has two batteries. And it’s a standard ice vehicle.
@markhagopian3257 I have a 2020 Honda CR-V non hybrid, and the cheapest battery I could find for my vehicle is around $200. Like I said, the more technology these vehicles have, it seems that simple stuff like car batteries get more expensive.
Mines a standard 17 larado… one battery is 160.. The other battery is about 275 or so… But that’s not as bad as the headlights needing the whole front clip off the car change.
As people become aware of this, depreciation is going to be severe.
I'll never go back to gas junk too much maintenance for me
Lol are ICE car better? They are containing hundreds of small explosion per minute with many moving parts, In where I live they are down 50% after year one. Batteries are expensive now but CATL and BYD are planing to cut them down about 80% by 2030.
@williamdavenportii764 After my neighbor's ev burnt down his new house no thanks!
@@williamdavenportii764 A BEV has exactly the same maintenance except for oil changes. The BEV still has wipers, brake fluid, brakes, tires, a 12V battery and washer fluid ALL of which need to be changed, the tires are more expensive and the brake service can be challenging. I forgot the battery cooling system and A/C.
@@yulusleonard985 By burning them?
Toyota hybrid- yes
Anything EV- NO
GAS - most likely
Hybrids are the best of both worlds. Most people don't usually drive that far and the cost of battery repair is much lower
Agree
So if you took a $75k lightning and a $75k gas f150. The entire drivetrain for the gasser would cost less than $25k, when removed would leave you with a $50k shell. For the lightning the entire drivetrain would cost atleast $50k, and when removed would leave you with the same shell, same options for 25k? Ford is either shoving it in their *** on the lightnings, or theyre shoving it up the customers *** on the ecoboosts
Too bad these popular vehicles are just as popular to theives !!
These high battery costs will be paid by all of us through higher insurance costs and taxes. It’s insane.
1/4 of people will be priced out of driving and pushed to public transportation....almost like it is by design.....
@@user-vj9hy8dw9e it is
There is nothing wrong with public transportation. If cities had fewer cars (ICE, hybrid or EV), we might realize that public transportation over the long run is much less expensive than private vehicles. Obviously the up-front cost of public transportation is higher. But the long-run costs save money. For instance, the Chicago Transit Authority serves 913,000 riders each weekday. That eliminates hundreds of thousands of automobile trips each day. At a most local level, diesel buses, streetcars or light rail vehicles reduce traffic congestion in many cities.
@@frankbaran5698 of course these systems are se!f supporting and need no tax $$ to operate. bwhahahaha. you ride the catt!e cars. i won't.
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That the plan
Sooo, if something hits under the car, and the battery's PROTECTIVE case gets damaged, the car is totaled? (That's what happened to Mr Hsu)
High initial purchase cost, range anxiety, high repair cost, possible spontaneous ignition, inadequate charging infrastructure, no less than 20% and no more than 80% charge, don't use superchargers, loss of range in cold weather, loss of range if using A/C, heating, TESLA lying to their customers about actual battery range, I'm wondering why I haven't bought one yet?
$45,000 repair cost because you drove over a rock................ i guess it is the joy & privilege of driving a EV! 🤣🤣🤣
A $45,000 repair bill if a pebble hits a car? It's fairly common to hear a pebble hit the wheel well of my gasoline-powered car while driving on normal pavement. It's not uncommon for a pebble to take flight and crack a windshield. One of Safelight's 79,000 service stations dispatches the broken window pronto and on site. If it costs tens of thousands of dollars to replace a battery pack on a Tesla Cyber Truck, then why is Tesla touting the pleasures of off-road travel? Is Tesla looking to make big bucks from the rocks that hit the car's undercarriage? Gotta wonder.
It was actually just a chunk of ice.
So if you took a $75k lightning and a $75k gas f150. The entire drivetrain for the gasser would cost less than $25k, when removed would leave you with a $50k shell. For the lightning the entire drivetrain would cost atleast $50k, and when removed would leave you with the same shell, same options for 25k? Ford is either shoving it in their *** on the lightnings, or theyre shoving it up the customers *** on the ecoboosts
It was a climate friendly rock 🪨
I feel $129 car battery is way over priced as I used to get them for around $59.95 at Sears.
The most expensive repair I’ve experienced during my 50 years of car ownership has been spending $1850 replacing the very expensive catalytic converters for my 18 years old Toyota Sienna with 325K miles and still running great with its original engine, transmission, suspension components, fuel pump, electric windows, cold AC that never needed service.
The predecessor of the Sienna had been the 1985 Toyota Supra and that car did not even need any repair of more than $1000 after 23 years of ownership with mileage well over 300K miles. I wish I still have the Supra and restoring as classic car.
Yes, even simple stuff like car batteries are getting more expensive now. I have a 2020 Honda CR-V non hybrid, and the cheapest battery I could find for my particular vehicle is around $200. That's one disadvantage about newer cars it that the more electronic accessories and technology these vehicles have, a stronger battery is required to power them, which means more money.
My experience is like yours. Since 1980 I drive Honda and Toyotas to nearly 200k or more. Never a major repair over $1000. The one GM van I owned, can't say the same....
LFP batteries in EV’s in Chinese taxi fleets are now clocking over 500k kilometres.
I had a gun metal blue 84 Supra and sold it like an idiot.
I regretted selling my 2005 Sienna AWD for $2500. Insurance only cost me $20/mo for that car, I should've kept it for towing stuff. My Sienna was only 105k miles too. 2nd biggest regret in my life.
This is why insurance on an EV is so high, much higher than ice or hybrids. If you get into a minor accident and dent the battery pack, the insurance company has to basically total and replace the car... also, what does it do to the resale value of the EV when it starts to run out of warranty... it has to nosedive on a vehicle you've already paid a premium for.
Oh yeah....I've seen those Teslas and Chevrolet Bolts take a nosedive in value and it's just been a year. 50% off. It sounded temptin to me but then I remembered that the cost of repair/replacement is far too risky.
Insurance costs are also going up due to home charging. Its the perfect storm to get home and leave an EV unattended charging overnight in a garage. Charging is the most likely time the battery might catch on fire. It's rare but its another angle for insurance to charge a little more. Both home and vehicle insurance and as EV's age and there are more old ones this will happen more often.
Don't worry they will spread that cost to all of us.
Exactly , and no one in their right mind is going to want to replace an EV battery in an out of warranty EV , so it is a fair bet , as a huge amount of these shitboxes get some age on them , many people will be selling them for peanuts and buying a new car , which in my view is hardly green if the vehicle is abandoned after only 8 or 10 years .
I have ICE cars that ran just fine with just basic maintenance , one being 30 years old , my other one which was the family taxi , tow car and work horse which even up to the time i retired the old girl , still had a beautiful driveline that still ran like a clock , with an un opened engine , gear box and diff and the only reason i did not give it a freshen up and keep her going for another 10 years was the body was very beat up from a hard life and also having hail damage .
And not in my wildest dreams could i imagine any Ev lasting as long as Either of those examples , and this sort of thing is not uncommon on the old conventional cars that where built to be easily repaired and maintained , and made to last a long service life without a fortune being spent on them , which if we cut through the bullshit , Evs are just not built that way , and Evs by majority do not even have close to the range to start with , so they suck from the very first day of ownership .
How much does the insurance companies have to pay to scrap their wrecks now as they cannot be repaired
So many charging rules to follow to increase the longevity of your battery. Didn’t think car ownership would ever get this complicated! 😂
Possibly increase it.
The more tech that is in the car the more problems you will run into. Simple is always better with a car.
@@vikinglife6316 yep.
Indeed , its bullshit mate , what a load of bollocks , if they quote an EV range as lets say 300 miles but to look after the stupid battery you have to remove 40% from that , so suddenly the range you actually have is 180 miles .......... and then the weather changes and your range goes down another 20 or 30% ...................... seriously , these EV things are a bloody joke .
@@mikldude9376 Just like my propane heater. Rated for 20pd tank @ 4.4 days on low but in reality it gets 3.0 days on low. Speakers. 500 watt peak but you may only ever see that a few times in the life of the speaker and only if every condition is met. I say this because it really is like anything. What they claim you get and what you actually get is 2 different things.
One thing I didn't think of since I wont ever own an EV is heating. Heat requires a lot of energy. So they must base this on the perfect conditions possible for their range estimates which is very misleading.
I've seen in a video in here, where I guy was on his 3rd battery repair in a Model Y iirc.... and he was being given good, but used cells for replacement. I'm sticking with my spark plugs and fuel injectors. 😂
The cost to replace a battery isn't just the parts cost. Labor will be $1000s in addition to that. Warranties that cover degradation below 70% are an outright scam. Teslas actually deliver only about 80% of its advertised range (at 70 mph). It gets worse in winter, another 20 to 30 percent loss in range. With a 70% degraded battery, a Tesla advertised to have a 300 mile range will deliver as little as 134 miles of range on a cold day before Tesla will do anything (300 x 0.8 x 0.8 x 0.7) = 134.
Warranty will not cover accidental damage. Here in Australia many outback roads are unsealed and rocks hitting under vehicle is very common. Also driving through road works can cause same issue. These battery prices means battery damage will write-off a relatively new vehicle.
Yep , and aside from that , its not uncommon to find even in the city , some sort of bit of crap that has fallen off the back of a truck or tradies vehicle that is right in the middle of the road that often you dont see until its too late .
And country roads are no doubt even more prone to this , i remember one night in my old ICE car hitting a bloody big solid wombat at speed at night time , which was like hitting a boulder , had i been in an electric car , i would have real concerns that there would be battery damage .
Fear of speed bumps.
cost for the part is one thing...the replacement cost should also be listed.
and...if in warranty but it was YOUR fault, the insurance company will always simply write off the car, total it, and then you are stuck with the horrible depreciation check from the insurance company.
totally a stupid purchase.
I have been sending out lots of comments saying EV’s are not reliable, dangerous because of fires, expensive to purchase, extremely expensive to repair and not good for the environment because of the battery manufacturing and disposal concerns if the battery needs to be tossed. Everyone should get an estimate on battery replacement before purchasing an EV so they understand the future repair costs. A battery failure could make many EV’s disposable which is not good for the environment. Glad to see more utube channels are talking about this major concern. 👍
I agree. I don't understand why some people would choose to waste the cost of a brand new car on an EV battery pack.
Well , half the problem is The EV sellers tend to shrug that off as "just not going to happen" , and tell the customer it will easily see out the life of the car :) , ( but how long is the useful life of that battery and car with buggerall range ?) !
The other good story is "oh , by then battery will be cheap , dont worry about it" , and this bullshit has been said all along , and have a look today , they are far from being cheap , and if you have paid extra to get a bit more range with a bigger battery , guess what , you will be paying even more when that battery requires a replacement !
EV`s are the biggest con this side of the black stump .
@@mikldude9376taxis in China are now getting north of 500k kilometres on LFP batteries. If you have a crash insurance pays just like ice
Your sending out BS😮
Didn't watch the video until the end, did you?
Very informative video, thank you. I wouldn't buy a full EV simply because I don't have ability/facility to home charge it. Even then, I really don't believe that they are really the future.
I own an EV that I like and I agree with you. My next car will be an EV too. Our scientists and engineers are going to create something else that’s better as soon as the politicians get out of thr way.
So if you took a $75k lightning and a $75k gas f150. The entire drivetrain for the gasser would cost less than $25k, when removed would leave you with a $50k shell. For the lightning the entire drivetrain would cost atleast $50k, and when removed would leave you with the same shell, same options for 25k? Ford is either shoving it in their *** on the lightnings, or theyre shoving it up the customers *** on the ecoboosts
Word of advice for a first time ev buyer. Don't over buy. Smaller is better, and it's not idea for roadtrips. I have a chevy bolt ev, and a 240v charger at home. It takes 6 hours to charge 0-100%. Pretty much every other ev on the road is twice the price, plus twice the cost and time to charge.
I saw that from another CZcamsr, the insurance totaled the car, and his insurance went up.
Can you ever save that much in gas?
Even a small crack on battery pack, dealer may want the owner to change the whole battery pack that costs over $10,000. Sometimes $50,000.
Simply put, be smart buy a Toyota or Honda hybrid.
✅
❤👍 only for smart people 😊
Funny they say maintenance on electric vehicles are a huge money saver over traditional combustion vehicles.. I'll stick with oil changes.
The higher cost of an EV will cover a lifetime of oil changes.
You can expect that auto insurance companies will have exclusions for battery replacement and/or implement huge premium increases to reflect these costs. A lot of EV owners are going to learn some very expensive lessons.
Thanks for the valuable info!
Hybrid is the way to go.
A very informative video. Thank you very much.
Gas/diesel only for me nothing else ever
Until charging stations are as prevalent as gas stations and you can completely charge a EV as fast as I can fill my ice car gas tank.....then that's a big "no"
@kendallevans4079 That's if the grid will let you. I just had got 7 inches of snow here in Tennessee and got as cold as -14 and my power company posted on Facebook guidelines to keep power usage under so they don't have to do brownouts. 😂
@@rickitysplitz7035 What were the guidelines? Are they saying don't charge your EV? if so, then in the summer months they'll be saying the same thing!
Having watched several videos for EV crash repair (astronomical) are the insurance companies unfairly spreading that cost to all customer's?
Absolutely. This is why insurance rates for EV's can be very high.
Battery replacement cost or any other OEM parts in south Korea cost much much less, meaning Hyundai Canada, USA takes too much margin on parts.
If you can't afford virtue signalling you don't deserve an EV.
EXCELLENT as well as thoughtful, logical and helpful.
At my age, it is unlikely that I'll be buying a full electric at all. The thought of a Prius, or a Civic Hybrid sits just fine with me for my ride into the "sunset".
Great video Shari 🙏
Thank you for sharing the truth about batteries. Battery technology has been stagnant for decades and the only thing that changed last decade is thermal management components on Hybrid or EV. As a whole, this concept of Hybrid and EV are disastrous. Reliable old diesel or gasoline should be recognized as the best option for consumers with brains.
We have not even touched on how dangerous these batteries. No one should park their Hybrid or EV in a garage. People should look at their cellphone to understand how fast anything with batteries will get obsolete.
The problem is only 40 years of oil reserves remains so switching to EV's is inevitable
You didn’t touch on the expense of insurance on these electric vehicles. Exorbitantly more expensive.
@@Ljbuddy12😂 You sound like a Liberal. There is enough oil and gas for all lifetime. God created it this way for us to survive just the like the oxygen we breath…will never run out.
@@Ljbuddy12 give me a break. I have been hearing this bullshit for 50 years. Nothing but constant FEAR MONGERING
"Battery technology has been stagnant for decades and the only thing that changed last decade is thermal management components on Hybrid or EV."
Sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about.
"There is enough oil and gas for all lifetime. God created it this way"
Confirmed.
A new engine for an internal combustion car is like $6000 to $10,000. A new battery for a EV car is like starting around $20,000
Thats just a short block 😅
depends entirely on the car , but if you have a good quality ICE car , the engine should easily last 10 to 15 years with minimal maintenance cost ( AND buggerall range degradation ), and even more years than that are likely , and ICE engines are generally easy to repair and maintain as long as you have a good one . @@saibtsheb5590
Insurance pays both in an accident
No it's not I sell them for a living. Only a very expensive engine is $10K. I'd say most are under $7K installed. Even a diesel truck installed was just over $10K a couple of months ago.@@saibtsheb5590
The engine could last twice as long as the battery easily.
Seen a sticker on a New Ford EV Truck / said $1005 yr cost electric / My Paid for 2001 Chevy Truck V8 takes 1200 dollars of Gas a yr to drive. I get 20-23 mpg on a 223,000 mile engine 1/2 its life span. On a 26gal tank I can drive non stop for 8+hrs / 511 mile range. Yr cost for a new truck $16,000++++ yr payments/insurance etc for 6 yrs lol. Do the numbers = u lose
I appreciate your video. It's very fair regarding current concerns/issues as well as keeping an optimistic view of the future.
Thank you!
Very useful info 👌 👍 🙏
The range issues for EV's is still a problem for us. We use our vehicles for long trips often. Hybrids or full ICE is much better for us than an EV until technology catches up. Maybe when solid state batteries become a viable option?
An EV is like a golf cart. How far would you drive a golf cart?
Yes can't wait to see the EV's with solid state batteries. They look very promising!
Especially when the deep freeze hits the US as it currently is.
If this type of battery technology is so expensive, you can imagine the price of the solid-state battery vehicles. Electric cars were invented over 100 years ago, but they failed. They will fail again. We are still not ready to move entirely to EVs.
I'm not sure I agree with the idea that they will fail. There is a place for them, but it's a niche. I don't believe the ICE engines we currently use will be around forever, but they will be around a LOT longer than most people think. Diesels alone will live on for the next 75-100 years. Far too much commerce is conducted with diesels as the backbone. Hard to replace these economical torque monsters. @@beamrider2972
The cost from the parts webpage is for the battery alone? I wonder what the cost for the labor to replace it is?
Average 200$ /h for electric component service in dealership
Yep , and i dont think anyone is going to be doing a back yarder replacing their half to three quarters of a ton EV battery .
And shipping? These things are heavy! Plus what are the rules of shipping a Lit-Ion battery?
@@kendallevans4079 exactly, an ev battery weights approx 500kg. I think they will need some special equipment to fit it. However, you have to believe that your dealership will not damage the new 500kg battery while installing . So , no ev, thanks
Another excellent video, Shari. Exposing the extremely high prices of the batteries sold by Kia and Hyundai will put pressure on them to make adjustments. Who wants to buy an EV by Kia if the driver can instead purchase a Tesla or other EV with much less than half the battery replacement cost? If Kia loses sales because the word of their battery replacement cost is getting out, they'll have to reassess their marketing strategy, and bring battery prices more in line with that of the competition.
Another nice bonus about Tesla is because there are so many now, over time it won't be too hard to find a used battery or rebuilt battery for way less.
@@carhelpcorner the batteries in the wrecked vehicles won’t have salvaged batteries… if there damaged it’s done. Not like an old motor you can always rebuild.
Tesla won’t replace your battery pack with a new one. They replace it with a REFURBISHED pack
@@benc3336 Made from multiple already failed packs. What could go wrong?
The Tesla numbers you mentioned are for used and repaired batteries. Tesla doesn't offer new battery packs for sale which should really set off alarm bells given that there are millions of Teslas sold.
Engineers and reviewers of EVs often gush over the great features and technology. However, they over look the basics like making the cars easy to repair. Full batteries will be expensive for quite some time, but there is no reason why today they should not be built in replaceable/repairable modules. The nature of batteries is that they are already built of 100’s to 1000’s of individual cells. It is ridiculous that minor damage to a battery housing results in a car being written off. And this has nothing to do with big bad insurance companies. It is the car companies that cannot properly assess the extent of the damage (if any) and did not design the battery to be repaired.
Half the problem is , the chemical reaction that ages the battery pack goes through all the batteries , and just replacing one or two cells that has become faulty gives no guarantee , tomorrow another will not become faulty , and no one has yet built a battery crystal ball that can tell us this .
And this is another reason that people should be very careful about replacing a knackered battery pack with a less expensive rebuilt or refurbished battery pack , which is likely will be the worst individual cells are removed and replaced into an old battery pack , how long will one of these refurbished packs last , the answer is How long is a piece of string ?
The manufacturer battery warranties EXCLUDE the first 30% range loss due to battery degradation.
I've been driving the same ice car since August 2008 and I've had NO reduction in range in all that time. Even if I had to replace the engine, it's still really cheap compared to replacing a battery pack.
Well done brother, very informative as usual with your videos. I really can’t believe in EVs yet. Most people have issues also in very cold weather the batteries capacity drops and the power stations don’t work well in very cold weather.
This is simply because when you replace your battery the taxpayers aren't going to help you, like we did when you initially bought your shiny new green toy. Enjoy.
@smashtoad I am not being sarcastic. The US government did not contribute $1 to the cost of my vehicle.I paid full price, full sales tax, full insurance cost, full licencing and title fees. I pay the price for all of the electricity I use. I pay for inspections, and all maintenance. If I ever need to replace the battery I will pay for it, without government support.
This vehicle is not a toy!!
I am not an adult with a pseudo child brain.
My EV is the safest vehicle I have ever owned. That is why I bought it.
This past month it prevented an accident, involving a driver who pull out from a side road, directly across my lane. Because a turning vehicle ahead of me, was turning into the side road, blocked the driver's view of my vehicle, that vehicle pull out and stopped 90 degrees across my lane, when the driver realized my presence. My vehicle reacted quicker than my reaction time and prevented the accident.
I was driving the speed limit, with the cruise control and the safe distance mechanism active. That is the way I always drive. I see many vehicles substantially exceeding the speed limit; cutting off other drivers and riding the "tail" of the car in front of them. This is a "free" society. I have no right to object to what they are doing. I look forward to improvements that will make this vehicle even safer, so that I may live to see another day. Green energy is not my concern. If it improves the environment all the better. I don't think your assumption that "green" is the only reason for anyone to buy an EV.
Be aware that electricity can be created from: coal, oil (anything that burns), solar, wind, hydro-dams, thermo (subterranean) heat, ocean waves, nuclear fusion or fission. An ICE vehicle only runs on gasoline. Electric utilities can choose the cheapest source. The money for oil goes the oil companies, (OPEC), and to the country where it was extracted.
Please note that when an ICE vehicle applies brakes, power to the wheels is not disengaged and continues to push the vehicle forward. It is only the friction of the brakes that stops the forward motion. Eventually the transmission will drop to a lower gear (not neutral). When the ICE vehicle is completely stopped, the engine continues to burn fuel. When stopping an EV, the flow of electricity reverses, thus retarding the forward motion. and the reverse flow recaptures the energy of forward motion to recharge the battery. When stopped (e.g. at a stop sign) no electricity is flowing, none is being used.
Fascinating video Shari! I knew I would enjoy it because you always make great content that is interesting, but this felt next level. A full EV would definitely give me range anxiety!!!! Not only do you need to not run out of range, but you really should keep it between 20-80%, and not have it in hot/cold environments! You are so correct, hybrids definitely seem to be the best route these days. A person could argue that a conventional gas powered car is better, however, in order to meet emission standards the industry has leaned hard into small turbo charged engines. No chance a Chevy Trax is a better value than the similar Toyota hybrid. Thanks for some great intel, and insight!
You're welcome thanks for watching!
Note that LFP batteries can be charged daily to 100%.
I was pissed paying $200 to replace my car battery. Now after hearing this to replace an EV battery I’m not so mad and am glad I will never buy an EV.
Great info and advice. The new Prius my dream car.
Thank you for the objective reality regarding electric vehicles! First let me state I am not anti EV; however, I am one who looks at the true reality! An electric vehicle may operate in a green way where the car is driven and used! I owned a 2001 Honda Insight manual that never had a single battery. I would still own it if I would not have crushed my hand in 2017 and could not drive stick for more than two years. This car was far greener than any EV using electric charging. Living in Pennsylvania it is a land of temperature extremes. First there exists a loss of electric when it is transferred through electric lines. Second, here the electric is generated by fossil fuels; thereby, creating a carbon footprint greater in another area. This carbon release to produce electric is in most cases produced in an area where people are living lives at lower income levels. Thirdly, the amount of carbon resources used to produce one EV is far greater than any ICE vehicle. My everyday driver is a 1996 Honda Accord with 250k miles. That makes it 28 model years old and since I purchased it with 99k miles for $2750 at Harrisburg Auto Auction I have less then $3000 in repairs, excluding oil changes and state inspection. The total of $3000 is since 2009 when I bought the car and includes, tires, coolant changes, brakes, one axle, transmission fluid changes, one battery, new head gasket, radiator one ball joint. Fourth, vehicles can catch fire for a variety of reasons ICE vehicles can be contained in most cases and yes there is environmental damage! However, with EV vehicles the fires are extremely toxic and usually cause extreme environmental damage! In grad school I worked in body shops and sold cars for a variety of different manufactures. Most ICE vehicles can be repaired at a reasonable cost; however, even some very minor accidents with an EV can result in a total loss. The true reality is plug in electric vehicles are not the solution to our global issues. In reality electric vehicles have become a social statement for those who accept falsehoods and half truths and want simple solutions to complex problems! Electric vehicles may play a part in the future; however, they are not the answer!
Its all a scam, there is no climate crisis AT ALL ZERO. How many ice ages BEFORE humanity? The earth has and will continue to change temps with or without us.
But give them some more money and eat less, travel less, have less to do your part!
Very few people are anti ev. What most people are who are against evs, are against them because the technology isn’t here yet to make them a viable alternative outside of a few niche situations. We need much better batteries where they take up much less space and can be protected better, and make their range comparable to combustion vehicles. We also need much better charging technology. And finally, no electric grid is able to support a anything near half the cars on the road being an ev. So electric grids need hundreds of billions in upgrades if not trillions depending on where you live. But the issue with this is that who do you think will pay for the upgrades? We will by paying more for electricity.
I'm anti-EV. The idea that they are eco-friendly is a sham. The charging stations aren't powered by forest elves who run on treadmills.
The U.S. Energy Information Administration says that 79% of energy consumption in the United States comes from fossil fuels (natural gas, oil and coal). Another 8% is nuclear power. Total renewable energy (hydroelectric, wind, solar, biomass and wood) accounts for just 13% of "green" electric technology. Regardless of the efficiency of the battery, EVs must rely for most of their energy on fossil fuels. Battery degradation means more frequent trips to the charging kiosk or home charger, which means even greater use of fossil fuels.
Don't be charmed by the look of a shiny, new EV. The problem is the batteries. The extraction and refining of lithium, cobalt, manganese and nickel denudes forests, creates huge piles of tailings and damages ecosystems. You don't see any of that in the backseat of an EV. The sources are places like the Democratic Republic of Congo, where cobalt is strip-mined or dug by underground laborers. About 68% of the world's cobalt comes from the DRC.
As for the sorry state of the U.S. electricity grid, check ERCOT, the Electric Reliability County of Texas. Texas has its own grid, untethered from the rest of the country. As such EROCT frequently asks residents and businesses to reduce power consumption during peak daytime hours. Texas is not always windy or sunny, as reports from Jan. 16, 2024, indicate. Nearly 85% of energy production is coming from fossil fuels, mostly natural gas. Remember February 2021? Massive blackouts lasting for days led to brownouts and the deaths of about 300 Texans. Pray that your EV has enough juice to get you home. You'll find a cold, powerless EV charger in your garage, but at least you will be safe and not stuck along a highway..
My involvement in environmental action goes back to 1972. When I first heard about EVs, I thought this was salvation. Then I began researching. Looking at the facts made me strongly anti-EV.
Would you know the cost of the battery pack in a Ford Escape Plug-in Hybrid?
An even bigger concern when buying an EV now, imo, is the fact a much better battery technology being developed by Toyota (and maybe others) is just around the corner, which promises far greater range/service life and much faster charging speeds. I'd wait till that technology is available before considering an EV.
It will be at least 20 years before "New" battery technology comes out. I watch battery tech closely as it could put me out of business, so I know.
@@robertkubrick3738YOU NEED A GIRLFRIEND MATE AND A LIFE IF YOU WATCH BATTERY TECHNOLOGY 🔋 WHAT A TOOL
I think the feds ought to load with an all electric fleet, including the post office... let's see how that goes.
I think they are. FedEx has some EV's now.
Well said!
Car companies will tell you that indivdual cells can be replaced but when the batteries fail none of them seem to do that and you have to buy the full battery. Even Musk mentioned that but it is not true as they replace the full battery. I was thinking of getting an Etron and then I checked the battery is about 50k cdn plus installation costs after the warranty so not worth the gas savings.
Batteries can degrade? No battery on Earth, of any design or chemistry, does not degrade.
No EV for me !!!
Hybrid is way to go thanks
Ok boomer
@@stratoshd9043I'm an X...hybrid is tops
Woah! Those are pricey.
One insurance company in Finland don't give insurance anymore for Porche Taycan and two Audi ev models.
What does the small print say on battery warranty???
This is a huge opportunity for the 3rd party market to offer refurbished and new batteries at significant discount to manufacturer prices especially out of warranty.
Thank you for the truth in this video. I’ve been looking for these answers a very long time.
When the warranty expires, EVs are basically disposable. Not worth the cost of battery replacement. Battery prices don't include labor.
That's what I've seen as well. I was looking with a colleague on the price of 2018 Tesla Model 3 LRs that started around $27k with about 40-60k miles on it, which would seem pretty good to get in on the EV hype. But we see that at 50k mi, you lose the limited warranty, then at either by Year 2026 or 120k miles. (you lose the Drive train and Battery warranty). When it comes down to it, unless one is driving their car constantly to justify the gas savings, even used EVs are too risky. We know the batteries need to be replaced, can't be repaired as-of, resulting in an easy $15k+ expense. I've been taught that if you're paying over 50% of what the car is worth to do repair work, just replace the whole car.
And so I started to see the used EV market differently where the reason we see these used EVs flood the market, bringing down the car value is because the original owners are essentially leasing the cars and trading in/up to when their warranty expires. And I'm sure Tesla knows this.
Just like any battery with lithium , your not supposed to charge it above 80% and to not go below 20% so realistically you can take 40% off the top to any range a EV claims it has.
@chriscary9269 I understand the 80% recommendation. It is because as the batteries recharge the Li ions must find a place on the cathode, the electron must reside on the anode. As the battery get closer to full charge, it becomes harder to find charge locations. Thus the rate of charge drops, and the heat goes up. I can understand using a public charging station might lead to a longer period of time, and delay others from using those facilities. I have heard that 90% is an acceptable level. And even on occasions a 100% charge is acceptable when starting on a long trip.
I don't understand the 20% restriction. Is this because of a lack of public charging stations? You risk not reaching your destination? I wonder why a completely empty battery could cause a recharging problem. Don't know what that problem could be. Maybe it is a long charging time a public stations. It seems 20% is too high for a home recharge. 10% might be more reasonable.
Can you explain your understanding of these limits? From where did you get these guidelines?
Based on these two Hyundai EV battery fiascos, the cost to insure these vehicle could become cost prohibitive. A minor side impact accident could rupture the battery pack resulting in the insurance company "totaling" the vehicle. Not good!
Manufacturers should state the price to change or repair the batteries before people purchase one
I buy basic IC cars until it extinct, long term maintenance and initial cost i will never recoupe it over hybrid or ev. I can replace an engine n tranny cheaper than a full ev battery. EV never ever gonna be a sustainable option for everybody. Need new better technology.
What's to keep the mfgs from coming out with a 3rd, 4th, and 5th gen batteries and discontinuing earlier batteries?
Rules when it comes to anything that is dependent on batteries: 1) Don't get too far from a recharging station 2) Don't let the batteries get cold 3) Don't let the batteries get hot 4) Don't damage the batteries in any way.
You also forgot. EVs are to be used as a status symbol, i.e. I own an EV. As such these cars should only be driven once a week around the neighborhood OR to an awards ceremony to show your commitment to the movement. NEVER DRIVE YOUR EV DAILY. Use your Hummer for that!
5) don't buy it 🤣🤣
@@OpinionatedOG184 So you have no issues driving around Buffalo in the cold? Great!
@@OpinionatedOG184 I assume your charging station was installed by professionals outside/away from your home or any other structure on your property you are fond of. ALL batteries are affected by extreme cold and/or heat. How many days of service do you get out of one charge assuming you drive fifty miles a day to and from home and work five days a week with an additional fifty per week miles of non-work related driving added in to include shopping, doctors' appointments, etc., etc.? How long does it take your L-2 to recharge your current EV from 20% to 80%? Hours or minutes? With ever increasing utility costs how much are you actually saving as opposed to what you were spending on gasoline per month? In the event of a power outage in your area do you have a reliable alternative means of transportation? By the way, don't let an EV battery pack get wet for very long. Batteries in general do not respond well to water intrusion. I wish you well with your EV but until battery packs don't roughly equal 60% of a vehicle MSRP and EVs are not totaled by insurance companies for what would be minor damage on any non-EV I can't justify purchasing such a vehicle. They are just too "deposable" for my taste and needs.
When I see how we usually deal with our everyday devices with battery I am not surprise with this. EV so far are for me the new Hi tech toy. Hybrid tech and maybe in some case PHEV should be the way to go till the figure out recycling because we start to see some old Tesla stacking up in preowned lot
I’m driving a 2009 Toyota Camry Hybrid. Heard a battery replacement could cost C$8,000. I thought that was huge. Bought it anyway. Later, heard you could get a battery for $1,500 in nearest large city. Now, it’s 2025 and still haven’t faced this issue. Am envious of the low running cost of EV’s, but unless I win a lottery, I can’t afford a car with a huge battery replacement charge.
This is a very well researched and presented video. The cost of battery replacement leaves you with a $0.00 trade in value. It would make more sense to lease and not buy one of these 100% depreciation vehicles. No one would ever by a used one without a certified new battery pack. Thank you for this EV replacement battery cost picture.
After seeing these batteries catch on fire I will not have one parked on my drive or garage charging. ICE for me until I have no other option.
Those batteries cost more than a 1000hp Hellephant engine.
The battery is placed too low in the car, I believe. Going over a rock will happen from time to time. A well designed car would be able to deal with such an event. Just my view. I know little about cars but I have a scientific background.
Yep. And don’t think leasing gets you out of this. If the battery is damaged it must be replaced. All leases require you to return the car in good working condition.
I recently purchased a Honda CRV 2017 1.6 Diesel from a Honda Dealer with 65k miles and one owner - full history - comes with 12 month Warranty. Does over 50mpg and annual road tax of £20 - Cost £11k. If fed and watered and with a fair wind should last at least another 5 years. Build in say £500 at each annual MOT PLUS £500 for new set of tyres over its lifetime - assume re-sale value of say £2k - I calculate it will cost me around 20% of a comparable EV model. 80% is a lot to pay for a new car smell. PLUS insurance has cost me £350pa!
there needs to be a common method of replacing bad cells instead of the entire pack....they don't even do this with standard hybrid vehicle batteries, they just replace the entire module and its expensive.
A well maintained ICE can remain in use, and even have resale value after 10 years with no problem. Once the battery warranty expires on an EV, it's basically junk because a) the battery is defaintely going to be degraded, b) it will still be massively expensive to replace and c), the battery packs themselves are often updated a few times during a cars production run, meaning spares will be almost impossible to find. You'll also need a specialist, possibly dealer, to replace them at whatever labor costs they have, so the prices quoted exclude those costs too.
Person found frozen to death waiting for Ev TO CHARGE UP.
The takeaway is that battery replacements for even the inexpensive cars are cost prohibitive. Why would you spend $15,000 on batteries on a used car that is worth $15,000? I love the internal combustion engine.
A whole house battery costs about $7,500 for 10 kWh. Thats $75,000 for the 98 kWh battery in a Ford Lightning or $30,000 for the 40 kWh in the Hyundai IONIQ. That cost doesn’t include the cost of installation either, that’s just the battery cost.
Looking at the cost of other large battery systems I’m not surprised at the cost of a replacement battery for an EV since they use the same general type of battery.
Korean company is the one who designs and manufacture Chevy Bolt battery pack that has armor plate at the bottom of battery pack. Why don’t they put it in Hyundai IONIQ 5? It is very common to hit large objects on the freeway at high speed. I think IONIQ 5 is a very good EV, but this is the only thing that stops me from getting one.
Cost of battery replacement will ruin the used EV market.
The success of a marque is measured by the strength of its used car market.
And so far they’re leaving this up to the used car buyer. Who’d rather buy a Honda or a Toyota ICE vehicle.
Amazing how these types of clips never talk about insurance costs.
High maintenance cost. High battery replacement cost. Lack of infrastructure. Very large and dangerous fires. High cost of the vehicle. Limited range. And, when you look at who is pushing them it all adds up.
My Nissan leaf was a 2018 I bought brand new, but after 47k the battery died and I was told it was under warrentynbur there was no battery available so they bought it back under lemon law, my car sat on the dealership for 3 months before I called Nissan corperation and got the truth. But there were 2 other leafs on the lot waiting for a battery replacement.
The cost of batteries can reflect the quality.
The price of individual 18650 batteries can vary a lot at on-line sales venues.
The lower cost batteries (typically from China) will not last as long as more expensive, higher quality batteries.
When you put 7,000 low quality batteries together in a battery pack for a car, the risk of fire goes up.
meanwhile our Prius, we can get a replacement for $1500 and self install with simple hand tools.
Hi I’m a Taxi owner Driver in Ireland and next time I be charging to a hybrid from diesel even do the government in Ireland are giving a 20,000 euro of a grant for an EV to put it in prospective they are basically given you half the price of a brand new EV because it f the reasons that you have been saying the price of Battery replacement and also the technology is charging yearly Taxi Drivers I know can’t get a fair trade in on there three year old Kia eNiro’s so next year Please God I will change to a Hybrid Toyota. Thank you for your great informative show and your great content see you in the future
thank you for sharing your research👍👍👍 a lot of manufacturer warranties are not worth the paper they're written on and that's not just vehicle manufacturers . this why there are so many class action lawsuits.
solid state batteries are the next hot up and coming technology. those won't be cheap either
Solid State fails like a bomb in the lab, far too often. They charge fast, but they can discharge at the same speed, like a capacitor. Dangerous.
6:37 I mean it's less first gen as the 1st gen on BEVs was back in the 1900s and more about old cars in general... Like most brands don't support most cars after about 20 years especly those they'll like to forget... And on the other hand if you drive a Mustang or Jeep you'll have parts for dacades to come if they remain popular that is.
Because of the shitty residual value, so leasing EV is not great option too, your leasing payment will be (total value - shitty residual) + high interest rate + a lot of hidden mandatory fees.
No parts support for the full duration of the warranty. Amazing
With ev batterys costing at minimum eight to ten times more than a hybrid battery. And the placement of hybrid batteries aren't in a fragile place like the ev.
Your cellphone loses 30% of its charge over the first year and Tesla after 100,000 has no life left in the car it only charges 100% in the same period as did when you bought it but only can travel 80 miles on this charge if the temperature is the same. Lyft driver had his car for 1 year and now its a paperweight. Battery replacement is $17,000.00 US. This also the reason why the EV have no resale value
Horribly inefficient in the winter made worse if you have to run the heater in the winter while charging.
In your thumbnail you should really have the arrow pointing from the $60,000 to a Hyundai, not the Ford F-150. Kind of misleading to a casual observer.
But the F-150 Lightning long range battery is the same price. $45k USD or $60k CAD.
@@carhelpcornerOkay, I heard 34 to 45, 000 and missed you were quoting US pricing. That makes sense as the F-150 battery must be bigger to move that extra weight. Still I haven't heard of Ford having similar problems with damaged batteries. Anyway I enjoy your videos.
thanks a lot for your beneficial videos and informations. if it's possible make a video to compare the costs of have an EV , Hybrid, Plug in Hybrid or Gas cars from an owner point of view especially in case of major problems such as the problem in this video which is same as change the engine 0f a Gas car.
I see what I can do. In the meantime, I just made a short video comparing some hybrid vs EV costs. Take a look!
I watched it , I am looking for a comparing with this technologies for anyone wants to choose between them for a new car
Specialist mechanics can repair EV's for an affordable price, don't go to a dealer.
The reasons you mention are exactly why I decided to lease my EV. Hoping we have some better battery pack in 2 1/2 years
Very few people will ever have to pay those prices for those batteries as they are all under warranty
Seems like Hyundai is way out on the extreme end compared with other manufacturers, at around 3 times as much for a battery.
Yup. There is no standardized battery part yet. Each company, and indeed, each car, has its own battery design...and no promise that they will maintain parts for the 7 years that there used to be for car parts in America. Cannot wait to see how long it will be until there are junkyards stacked full of old cars because they no longer make the replacement battery
Shareholders of electric utility companies will be happy when more people buy Evs!
Oh you want a charge? 500$ please!
@@quercus5398 I hope you are being sarcastic. If not then you are out of touch with reality. At $3.00 per gallon for 10 gallons costs about $30. My home charge for my EV costs about $10, for 224 miles. 10 gallons at 20 mpg is 200 miles. $10 vs $30.
Now if you use a public charger, you may see a $20 to $30 cost for the charge, Before I had the home charger, I had a free charging pass from the manufacturer. While I paid $0, the station reported around $24 per charge, and this was when I was charging on a frequent schedule - it was free, why not charge? Gas stations are charging in the area of $30.00 per tank. A charging station is business to maximize profit. So look, $30 for the same amount of miles seems reasonable. Why charge less?