Tim Ballard Story - True Lies? I Interviewed Two Women From OUR's "Couple's Ruse"
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- Two Women came forward to give their story on the Couple's Ruse
- I was connected to them by people I trust
- This is a very murky work
- The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has a spiritual side and a corporate/political side
- The Church Statement on Tim Ballard and Elder Ballard is from the Church
- More on the statement breaking from the media soon
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I hadn't heard of anyone that had a problem with OUR until the movie came out and was successful. Not long after there is allegations against him. Who knows, but it seems like someone wants him silenced. There's a lot of rich evil people who don't want trafficking to go away.
Do your research. The allegations, the investigation and Tim being pushed out of O.U.R all happened before the movies release. If they wanted to stop Tim they would have done it when he first started putting his face and name out there as being the one taking them down. Not after he's no longer doing it.
Agree wholeheartedly. I have been following OUR for years and heard nothing. Now all this!? After the movie!? Oh yes, rich people in high places who don’t want their cover blown. Prince Andrew. And Jeffery Epstein didn’t off himself, he was “taken care of” there is a YT video where an inmate who was on the same floor, talks about it. How it would have been impossible without the work of high up influential figures. Secret combinations 🤫🫢
The only problem I ever had with OUR was that one of the original board members was Mitt Romney's son. Anything a Romney touches is suspect to me. That said, I do believe a smear campaign is going on against Tim Ballard because Sound Of Freedom got so much attention.
Tim Ballard separated from OUR following an internal investigation BEFORE the movie came out... It doesn't look good. Not to mention, VICE has been reporting on him and questioning his credibility for YEARS.
Not true, there has been allegations and investigations for years
Readers Digest condensed version: I interviewed two women but I can’t disclose what they said.
...but I believe them - because they were convincing.
This was just a waste of time click bait.
Seriously... 7 minutes in and I am taking my life back. What a waste of time...
If these women felt so taken advantage of because they were put in situations they didn't want to be in, then I have a hard time believing they are still participating in undercover operations. So why the need to protect their identity? They should be put under the same level of scrutiny that Tim has been. The fact that anonymous allegations are all Tim's enemies can come up with after years of looking for any kind of dirt they can find on him says a lot.
Do you have any idea how demonic the "good" guys can be? The conservative right wingers would threaten her life for speaking out against the Saintly Hero Savior they have lifted Tim to be. It's disgusting. The enemy is on both sides.
It’s the same as mainstream going after Russell Brand because his following grows bigger and his influence against big pharma, military industrial complex etc.
I don’t believe it. They’re trained agents.
@@Spawn303exactly
Because alleged victims of sexual misconduct shouldn't have to be revictimized by a bunch of Tim Ballard Worshippers! No victim would want to subject themselves to that, and they have the right by law to remain anonymous.
What I struggle with, is the way the church handled this. I love the gospel! This won’t change my testimony; however, this makes me sad.
Unless Tim Ballard is pure evil, this was handled very inappropriately!
Even if he's pure evil it was handled incorrectly.
Very poor handling!
Even if Tim was guilty on all charges, I am just floored at the statement of the Church, especially if it was passed off by the first presidency. It's a total disgrace in my opinion. I hoped it wasn't really true. But it is.
what is the gospel?
@@Paul-rg4is the gospel of Jesus Christ. The church is man, and it is fallen. People aren't perfect.
I have a hard time putting the words anonymous and credible in the same sentence. Perhaps it will all make more sense later on. In the meantime, having saved hundreds of children from the the most despicable evil on earth, Tim deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Thank you, Greg. I sincerely appreciate the work you do.
This is how the press traditionally works. Anonymous sources have broken many many stories. Now, we can't say guilty or not at this point. We're far from it. However, keep in mind that anonymous sources have always played a critical role.
If I was these women I would stay anonymous too. I imagine they will be pretty embarrassed for being so naive. Hard to explain to their husband, children, parents, Bishop etc. These women were most likely victims of it all too. People have been questioning for years how many children these operations have actually "saved". This puts a big black mark against any good that might have been done. Shameful.
@@zzz6valvoline
As a source of information, I agree that anonymity is often important. But when it comes to an accusation of immoral behavior, I would have a hard time believing anyone who refused to reveal their identity.
@@bkgoulding if these women are still working undercover, I can understand that they need to remain anonymous. It's just suspicious that these accusations are being made public at this particular time. I'm still having difficulty understanding why the Church would make such a statement in the manner that it did. These two facts happening simultaneously are extremely disturbing.
It's one thing for anonymity to identify and develop a story. Once you create specific allegations and name names, anonymity is no longer good enough. That's where the problem is. Telling a convincing story does not make it credible, it just makes it convinving. One of the biggest problems is that Vice, who has supposedly been working on this article, is only giving bits out at a time. That makes the information "common," and so everyone is essentially corroborating everyone else - all off of the bits and pieces. I've now heard two different anonymous interviews from people alleged to be part of the missions, and the data is general enough that I could probably tell a similar story not knowing anything about it.
It's easy to suggest the women didn't file any formal complaints and hid the info for several years because they were embarassed, but it could also mean that they've just formulated a story based on bits they experienced and adding to it bits they've heard over time.
Half the nation is still convinced Brett Kavenaugh committed rape - with no eveidence whatsoever, and contradictory testimony.
The pattern is just too obvious anymore.
I have no clue about Tim Ballard's guilt or innocence. But I will say this... What the heck do people think happens on these operations? This is not candy and roses. They're pretty much going into the jaws of hell to rescue these kids from the most vile people on planet Earth. By virtue of the operation, undercover agents are required to be in very uncomfortable situations. This isn't morning role play on an LDS mission. 🤦♂️
I wish Marisol Nichol's interview with Tim were still available. It sheds very important light on the tactics they use. Unfortunately, it's been switched to private for some reason.
Maybe Tim Ballard is guilty. I'll wait for all facts and both sides. But it sure seems like a possibility that some volunteers got in over their heads too and perhaps didn't fully comprehend what they were really getting into.
My thoughts exactly! You said it way better than I did!
Clearly Marisol has chosen (like so many others) to distance herself from Tim. I sense there is worse yet to come out about this guy.
@@echomikekilo63 Her other interviews with him are still up. The one on the details regarding how they ran couples rouse has been privatized. The same one in which she admits how respectful he was to her and that he never crossed any lines.
He may well be guilty but man people aren't coming through with the evidence. A sensible approach would have been to release the evidence at the same time as the allegations. This has been handled so poorly by EVERYONE.
@@justinlabar7352it is just plain character assassination to call someone "immoral" without evidence.
@@rolandsmith4394 100%
Ive never heard the church release a statement like that against s member before all facts are known. As an active member, gospel doctrine teacher its beyond my comprehension at the moment whats going on here. The church is ususlly very quiet on personal matters. Lori Vallow Daybells atrocities in the name of her religion havent even been deniunced as "morally troubling" in a p.r. statement. My testimony is unshakable in Jesus but tried by men.
Your last sentence is 💯.
Plead for cleansing of the church. It’s prophesied and we need it. There should not be two churches (corporate and spiritual) - no man can serve two masters. We’re in big trouble.
I pray so hard that I’m SO SICK of defending the Lord’s church. We need Heavenly intervention.
Possibly because Chad and Lori weren't practicing the LDS faith anymore with their own prophecies and such. Maybe they were even exxed or left the church officially before it all went down so the church didn't need to make a statement for ex members? Just a thought.
It could be because Tim has been using his "friendship" with the Brethren to imply support from the Church for his work. I don't recall Lori Vallow saying anything that connected her immoral work with the Brethren.
It also could be that Tim Ballard is not the man you think he is. His former employees are revealing quite a different Tim than the public figure we all came to know and love. If a fraction of what is coming out is true, Tim deserved this public rebuke from the Brethren.
Sounds like judgements to me based on what others are saying and I'm not taking that approach either. I find that statement troubling. Period. The statement is making people like you believe others and you have no idea what their motives are. You actually are posting my concern.
Second. Lori Vallow Daybells membership in the church has been forefront of news reports all over the news media, especially nationally. That's why I made that comment. Should the church denounce everyone that is affiliated with the church and does wrong?
Third, Tim has denied using his friendship to raise money for himself. Have yoh seen proof otherwise?
Lots of judgements here about Tim based on assumptions. That's not what the Jesus I believe in taught.
Look at where we are at:
1) There *are* children being brought across the Mexico border for sexual exploitation.
2) instead if solving that problem, we are obcessing whether O.U.R.'s trainees were made to feel uncomfortable while trying to catch the perps.
Please. Why get distracted over grown women's moral comfort?
Could not have said it better. Thank you! Well said,
Have you even listened to Tim or his wife on this issue. Maybe you should before you judge. Unless you have some special knowledge of his guilt
@@michellestansberry9101 wait, you are responding to grandpa, right? Because I have, in fact listened to all concerned (except the anonymous gals) since this whole thing broke.
@@grantpajohnson "It is better that one man should perish, than a whole nation dwindle in unbelief." That was God talking about murder, not "offending someone's sensibilities"! The hypocrisy is in talking endlessly about "avoiding contention". And then sending your PR henchmen to conduct a raw character assassination.
The people who accused Richard Jewell of the Atlanta Olympic bombing seemed "credible" as well as the "victim" of the Duke Lacrosse players rape allegations, seemed "credible"....but, oops! Sorry for destroying an innocent persons life!
Brett Cavinaugh, Clarence Thomas. Do you see a pattern here?
Yes! I absolutely see the pattern!
But why do we go along with it? I’m really disappointed in Greg and others who say we’re waiting for more information, or I’m neutral. He’s helping the campaign against TB and the church while laying the groundwork for this to be done again and again.
@@Billsbob the question we should be asking is why an open border? I've thought it was bring in potential voters for Democrats. But, watching Biden operate, it appears more likely to me that it is to provide a source of children for abuse and exploitation. TB threatens that through effective publicity. On the grand scale of things, child exploitation is so much more serious than the sensibilities of grown women, even if the allegations are true.
Depends on how you define innocent???
He took OUR donations and lived a lavish life. Strip clubs, lap dances, nude massages, showering with women.....all while promoting a celestial life.
He is a drunk and drug abuser. He might not of stuck his "snake" in the hole, but he certainly rubbed it near the hole with all his victims. Ballard is a fraud.
Tim: You have to let me touch you under your clothes.
Female operative: But Tim we are at my house and their arent any hispanic kids here we are trying to rescue
Tim: My psychic told me that we were married in the preexistence. Now take off your clothes and let me grind on you. Dont worry I wont put the snake in the hole.😂😂
Thanks, Greg. Your measured approach is perfect. The Church was wrong to call Tim Ballard "immoral" without backing it up. "Wait and see is just so much better. Character assassination is such ugly business.
This is very dangerous and this video is exposing how thes operatives work , something that not those who don’t want this work , are taking advantage , stop these videos it’s dangerous .
@@sandratestolinilembo3915 Sadly, it was over when Vice got a hold of the Davis County inquisition. Now, Tim's calling is to see if he can do some good in the Senate.
@@rolandsmith4394 ... Senate... That is exactly why this is happening to him.
@@godsoffspring4195 it appears that way. Look up the life-long BFF relationship between Doug Anderson and Mitt Romney. Romney has a visceral hatred for Trump. Trump has vowed to support Ballard in protecting children.
@@godsoffspring4195100%!
Regardless I still don’t think the Church should’ve publicly “whipped” Tim Ballard without describing why… I’ve been the recipient of unrighteousness dominion by a 70 so I know that politics and wrongdoing can occur at high levels… doesn’t make the Church any less true we have to give grace to imperfect leaders and fellow humans… but there needs to be consequences for bad behavior. They didn’t do this with the member of the 70 that was excommunicated a few years ago… it just isn’t right because this effects Tim’s innocent family too.
I just continue to hear the words of Heber C Kimball ringing in my head nowadays….
“I want to say to you, my brethren, the time is coming when we will be mixed up in these now peaceful valleys to that extent that it will be difficult to tell the face of a Saint from the face of an enemy to the people of God. Then, brethren, look out for the great sieve, for there will be a great sifting time, and many will fall; for I say unto you there is a test, a Test, a TEST coming, and who will be able to stand? This church has before it many close places through which it must pass before the work of God is crowned with victory. To meet the difficulties that are coming it will be necessary for you to have knowledge of the truth of this work for yourselves. The difficulties will be of such character that the man or woman who does not possess this personal knowledge or witness will fall. If you have not got the testimony, live right and call upon the Lord and cease not ‘till you obtain it. If you do not, you will not stand. ”
Great quote. Buckle up. I've been the target of unrighteous dominion as well. It's ironic that pres nelson talks about civility, grace, and "avoiding contention;" yet, many of the most vicious unforgiving people are church leaders.
@@rolandsmith4394 it definitely can be and I realize we need to be careful not to demonize all of them because of a few bad apples. I see many on the right getting frustrated and leaving the church and we need to be careful. The tribes are formed and the battle is full scale for those that are paying attention. We need to know and study satans tactics so that we are not deceived. This whole spiral of silence and the gospel of kindness just doesn’t seem to be working. I see the likes of Jordan Peterson who doesn’t mince words and tells the hard truths and yet he continues to get more and more followers. People are starving for the Truth. Maybe because he’s coming from such a neutral ground more are willing to listen? But truth is truth.
I think the church had it's hands tied. Tim may or may not be guilty, but he's a controversial figure and if he sinks, the church does not want to be associated with him.
@@zzz6valvoline the response to Vice is *always* "no comment."
So you think Tim is a Saint and the Church is wrong. I invite to switch that perspective. Tim is the wrong one and a cunning liar. The Spirit warned me about Tim way back in 2020.
Whenever a good man gets in a posituon where he can do some real good in this world, it seems there are always "credible allegations of misconduct" coming from dubuous sources. Brett Cavinaugh, Clarence Thomas ... it is our world. Expect it. You are next.
That doesn't mean it's always a lie. With power comes... the influence of that power. And I think it's naïve to believe you can exist in a dark and corrupt environment indefinitely without adopting some of that darkness. Whether its politics or trafficking.
I do know this. I trust the church more than Tim Ballard. And it's not remotely close.
It’s so true! You almost expect it now! When a good man comes into power, or has a great influence on the people all of a sudden it’s a good time to try and slander him!
@@mschenandlerbong8539 I'm with you, but my dichotomy is different. I trust the Savior more than the Church, and it's not even close. He warned us about wolves in sheep's clothing. He didn't hedge. I'm not going to trust anyone who would overlook the sexual abuse of children. If they don't like Ballard methods, they need to address the problem in another way.
Agreed brother
@@rolandsmith4394 The Church is Christ's. He stands at the head and He taught us that His church is founded upon prophets and apostles.
As in the days of Moses, only those who follow the prophet have spiritual safety.
We are living in a day of division. Even the very elect will be fooled according to Scripture.
This is your test of faith.
The timing of all this is very suspect. I have some questions: Why now? Did they protest at the time, or immediately after they were in the situations they refer to? Have these women been approached by anyone seeking to harm Tim Ballard or his reputation for political reasons? Have they been paid or offered money to say these things? There are powerful people involved in human trafficking. What part might they or their representatives/associates play in all this? Is there video evidence of what they claim? If not, does it basically come down to 'He said/She said'?
@grantpajohnson
So noted. There is still much suspicion surrounding all of this. The timing is the biggest issue. And the way the Church handled this was horrible. I guess any of us could have our sins published. Doug Andersen is a political hack, from what I've learned, and his fingerprints are all over this!
As someone who has been targeted by anonymous “witnesses” they are not reliable at all. If they have had a crime committed against them take it to the authorities give them the evidence and make sure the perpetrators are convicted of the crimes. Or if this isn’t a crime but a moral sin take it to the proper church authorities and let them take care of it according to their guidelines. Taking it to the untrustworthy media and trying to get someone judged by the court of public opinion is cowardly and shows the weakness of their argument. It also shows their intent is not justice but just the desire to destroy a person’s reputation.
Bottom line if a crime or moral sin has been committed take it to the proper authorities first.
Great comment! It put everything into perspective for me!
Exactly what I was thinking too.
Same.
@@grantpajohnson Do you have the proof that he did this? Because all I have been able to find anyone who has said that he has done such a thing to them it’s all allegations. I haven’t seen an official statement from the church just the statement made in the news article. If you have names or know personally people who have been lied to and gave their money up by being deceived by Tim Ballard please bring it forward it would clear things up. Since Tim Ballard says it never happened we need evidence to prove that he is lying. sadly I cannot just accept allegations.
@davidnightingale146 When you do some research into this, you will find out that a OUR hired a reputable law firm to conduct an independent review of the accusations against Tim Ballard and found them credible enough for OUR to fire Ballard. Imagine if this was done without due process, Tim Ballard could double his net worth overnight with a defamation lawsuit. But, notice that he hasn't filed any wrongful termination or defamation lawsuits against OUR? That is a second tell-tale that he is trying to make this issue go away with some simple explanations.
I'm on Tim's side. Rescuing children is a disgusting business. He's fighting fire with fire. Sometimes it requires acting like a scumbag to not risk exposing yourself as an undercover operator. Any woman that doesn't understand this and fails to realize that there will be moments that require improvisation that are unscripted and not agreed to beforehand are just so naive it's unbelievable. They signed up for the wrong gig if that's the case. Just my opinion
Tim, having been on multiple missions prior, was aware of that and should have better prepared them for possible scenerios. You don't take housewives and throw them in those kinds of situations period, but especially not without proper training and preparation. The blame lies on the person in charge who has the info not on the volunteer who doesn't.
@@peaceliberty4all they threw housewives into these situations?
The volunteers were not forced to take on this career. That falls on them IMO!
They WERE trained. They had to prove they could handle it.
@@lauries.nicewaner3876right? More info please.
Because of these crazy times we live in, I've learned it's best to wait before forming opinions. We know way too little about way too little.
There's something incongruent in all of this...I'm holding my judgment until more info is released.
Agreed.
I agree!
Convenient timing, no? As long as they remain anonymous I am reserving judgment.
You should do exactly that.
@MargieM10, very convenient.
Yup! I’ve also heard a large amount of money has been offered to these women to smear Tim!
It sounds like this whole case revolves around well-intentioned women hearing about saving children, wanting to get involved, and then being disturbed by some of the roles they would need to act in those vile places to pull off the rescues.
Given the allegations, it sounds like OUR didn't explain what would be required well enough. That sounds to me like a grave error, but not necessarily predatory or malicious.
If the allegations are true, then I'd probably reserve judgment until we know how proactively Tim recruited these women, if he did at all, or if they came of their own volition. I think I would only feel OUR warrants moral reproach if the former were true, and he intentionally was vague about what might be required, knowing full well what would need to be done.
Complicated issue.
@LDS-Musings I agree with your thoughts. I also think there’s a high possibility that the training these women went through may not have been enough to fully prepare them for the unknowns, that would take place when performing the ruse. You can’t prepare for everything. I’m sure these women went through things that were more than they could handle. More, than what was expected.
I agree, some of these women probably had absolutely no idea of the True Dark Animalistic Male Sexual Drive they would be exposed to. I hope they didn't try to use Sisters from the church, OMG could you imagine...? from what I've heard even some of the Men involved were in shock at the level they would have to stoop to gain trust. Doesn't seem like some of these people were a properly trained or fully briefed in the roles they would have to play.
@@stuffa01actually he did. I remember I read a story about it in 2020. It was a sister's personal blog. Tim put her in a very dangerous situation and the kids they rescued would not have been kidnapped if Tim hadn't put up the desire to buy/rent them. It was all kinds of narcissistic behavior on Tim's part. I jumped ship after that because I had been caught up in the emotional response to help the children and I thought I would volunteer for OUR. I never responded to their emails inquiring my availability after reading her story though.
@@stuffa01you forget to mention female animalistic drives and tendencies as well. Especially, for control, power, and the amassing of money. Same animals. Tons of complicence from females who are actively engaged just as much or even more so in some ways.
@LDS-Musings It is very brave of these women to volunteer to go to such a horrible place. They will have been trained in self defense but anything could happen to them. That was the risk they took. No one can predict what is going to happen. I am sure Tim tried to soften or overt every situation during their actings. I am not trying to take anything away from these very brave ladies. Whatever happened to them thank you for your sacrifice. ❤
Thanks for this podcast. Innocent until proven guilty. Praying for Tim and his family.
At the end of the day, it's the silence that speaks the loudest. No comment from: the church? Elder "grandpa" Ballard? Sean Reyes? Glenn Beck (other than a hastily removed 'tweet')? Tony Robbins? Jim Caviezel? Why are none of these people rushing to his defence? 🦗🦗🦗🦗🦗
Tim Ballard is getting the Trump treatment!!
And the Brett Cavanaugh treatment.
If I recall correctly...it was DT who plunged us into the most egregious economical collapse in the the history of this country, and then cut a common welfare check to the tune of trillions of dollars (the exact amount is as yet indeterminate as the handouts continue - without any accountability) that is still reeking - and will continue to reek economic devastation on you and me until the second coming of our Savior. He helped pave the way to the inevitable use of the mark of the beast - CBDC and objectifying all of humanity as "bioweapons". Please don't uphold this Global Elitist Shill. And most of all - DON'T CONTRIBUTE TO THE SYSTEMATIC BIFURCATION OF SOCIETY BY THINKING THAT THERE ARE ONLY TWO CHOICES AND THAT THERE IS A LESSOR OF TWO EVILS!!!! That has Lucifer's fingerprints all over it. I've been voting THIRD PARTY since 1986.
There is absolutely no comparison to be made between DT and Tim Ballard. In the spirit of unconditional love...wake up...please. Think outside the "FOXBOX". There are limitless sources of credible information that will help you understand why things are the way they are - and who's behind the curtain. Note that I said "curtain" - not veil. Start with the book "Hamilton's Curse" and go where your personal promptings take you thereafter.
Yes, gods servants and defenders of freedom get treated like trash and slaves while the democrat corruption is esteemed and worshipped.
Only because it goes against the woke agenda, and it was successful!
True 👍
Has the church called out Ruby Franke? That CZcams mom who was arrested for child abuse? For starving and neglecting and exploiting her own children? Have they called out Jodi Hildebrand, her business partner? The psychologist who lost her license and they created a counseling company ConneXions for teaching inappropriate parenting skills? Because they should.
The world of human trafficking is an X-rated world where anything goes --to include killing.
This should not have to be explained to anyone. This is not a place to do community service and feel good about your life at the end of the day.
Just for the record, despite the scene in the movie, Tim Ballard never killed anyone in a rescue mission.
President Nelson said to avoid contention. It seems that Doug Anderson is using his position to *create* contention and proactively smear a brother. He needs to learn to say "no comment!"
It is highly highly unlikely that this statement wasn't approved from higher places.
@@CwicShowwe all know that "approved" is different from "written by" and "promoted". This has his DNA all over it.
@@rolandsmith4394 There is no way that a 15 year veteran in this field would put it out there without it being vetted and signed off by the leaders. This came from the church and there is no way around it. Let's let it play out and see where it goes.
@@icecreamladydriver1606"15 year veteran" is not necessarily a compliment. We know that power corrupts. He has too much power, and he is too cozy with Mitt Romney, another "veteran."
@@rolandsmith4394 I completely agree with you. I was not paying him a compliment, just confirming that he would never do that without church leader giving to OK on it. Being on the topic of Mitt Romney, why doesn't the church expose him for the evil fraud that he is?
Thank you for your genuine pursuit of the truth Greg. You’re a great example. Keep it up.
The church, its leaders (Q15) and their handlers/spokespeople should be the gold standard when it comes to living the doctrine of Christ and setting the example of what that looks like. If Pres. Ballard felt inclined to end his friendship with Tim because he felt Tim was acting inappropriately than I would have hoped he contacted Tim and discussed it with him. If Tim has acted inappropriately and broke covenants his priesthood leaders should have been notified and actions taken. Tim has spoken that he has done no wrong. It is now, in my opinion, time for the church to defend its position. If the church chooses to stay quiet it is my opinion that they are in contradiction to the doctrine of Christ.
So, you are suggesting that the Church follow the D&C and established precedent? Wow. Good call! But what about the 'continuing restoration'😂🤣😂🤣
@SidVarnes. Excellent comment!
@SidVranes 💯
I understand where you're coming from but beware of either/or or binary choices. We don't know all the facts and there is good reason to consider how legal and other data considerations mean the church cannot say more. That is hard but we cannot assume a lack information means a bad motive or that either said is wrong/right.
I do wish there were more information, too.. but we love in a messy world..
If there is a criminal case filled and confirming evidence of adultery, then maybe Tim's Bishop will act. The Church can be justified from withdrawal of its association because Tim alledgedly behavior of misleading investors (dishonesty). It is inappropriate for any member to use the apostles, Church name, and Church resources when fundraising, especially when one gets gain from a portion of the money raised.
The church statement was poorly worded IMO it should have been more neutral than accusatory
I agree.
Agreed.
Agree 110%
All that Tim has done to save children- he’s been to hell and back and survived - rescued children! Why smear him??? I don’t put trust in Vice on this one. I’m sad the church stated what it did - it’s so bad!
I support Tim until the end!
Poorly worded and poorly timed. Shouldn’t his stake president and bishop been notified prior?
@@andrewwood6285 yes! Something is off- and I’m waiting for ‘something’ to hit the fan!
I unfollowed Eric Moutsos today because he did this shadowy expose where he spoke with 4 of the women and all he can say is "it is bad and Tim needs to repent."
Now that i see that you have talked to 2 and they contacted you and did not disclose their identity i believe this hit job even less. Someone is orchestrating this campaign and they are specifically targeting similar minds within the church. They are also specifally spreading their story outside the these circles to the other groups. This tells me there is money behind this and i know there are plenty who would like to take out the likes of Tim, Elon, Russell Brand, and others who are trying to expose todays gadiantons.
The context you provided is helpful, but i have to wonder if ya'll are being played.
How much have these players learned and improved since Clarence Thomas, Kavenaugh, Trump and others?
I choose to reserve judgement on Tim at this time. I've read his books and followed his work. I could be deceived. He could be an aweful person. However, that seems to be a giant leap, so i have to wait.
Exact same thoughts.
Agree 100%
Agreed!
You’re letting Tim manipulate you then. These aren’t political enemies. These are his former operatives. LDS. OUR die hard fans. Big difference. The church’s statement of morally unacceptable behavior and a betrayed friendship should give you a major clue that they don’t trust him so why do you?
@@1creampop Because I can think critically on my own.
I want to say one last thing before i leave your channel in peace. Every time i have Ever tried to do any fund raising, service projects etc to aid in the reacue of children, i have faced Extreme opposition from the adversary. The bigger the project, the bigger the attack. And this is especially true for Tim. God bless.
You shouldn't leave. Greg hasn't really been a part of the "opposition." He's just trying to keep us informed, from Europe.
If those women didn’t know what they were getting into they should have never agreed to it.
And how do you make informed choices based on NO knowledge?
@@echomikekilo63 How are they different than men who go into these situations? You can't be alive today in the Western World without some idea of under cover operations. Even if not real, media has shown that.
@@RichardChappell1 Thanks for the mansplaination, Richard; but my question was in response to the poster of this comment (which makes no sense).
@@echomikekilo63 Because your anti-male hatred prevents you from understanding basic concepts without attributing everything to sexism, you need to be mansplained...
It's funny how women insist they are fully capable, but then refuse to be accountable for their adult decisions.
@@echomikekilo63 No knowledge? If you are doing something like this you should have been told everything you would be expected to do and agreed to it. I don’t agree at all with using women in the wrong way sexually. However if you saw Sound of Freedom you got a little idea of what Tim had to do to make the “bad guy” believe he was a “bad guy” too. It was disgusting. The truth will come out. If Tim did or made women do things they never agreed to then he was wrong. If this is all made up to keep Tim from running for a governmental seat then that truth will come out.
The way the church handled this was so poor! When do they ever condemn anyone and why go to an enemy of the church and make this statement? I understand they asked for it, but they didn't have to answer! Unfortunately, it seems the church is now bowing to our enemies and snubbing the faithful. Tim Ballard may not be faithful, but a lot of people that follow him are. I have numerous examples over the past few years, where the faithful have been snubbed. Honestly, I never thought being a conservative I would be on the wrong side politically of the church.
you know now how left the church is
Sherrimckel…
You have the choice to be wiser yourself if you choose. Waiting on the Lord is wise. Learning the full facts is also wise.
The leadership of the church has many inside sources and out sources of wisdom. They have the Greatest source of knowledge and understanding directly available - lest we forget.
@@jonathanhill2948 no matter how you cut it the church blew it, tim is beside the point
@@bobhappy991when a media outlet like Vice contacts you, the only answer is "no comment" you sure don't say our member is "immoral."
@@rolandsmith4394 💯 agree
Greg, have you watched the video from Marisol Nichols? If not you need to. After watching that video of her and Tim describing some of their undercover experiences, I immediately told my wife that the accusers were probably good LDS members wanting to help rescue kids and also have a thrilling experience or two. I've spent many years in the military and working, as a civilian, for the military. Most life long LDS women, including my wife, have no idea at all, just how immoral our fellow man and woman can be. Having your eyes opened to those realities in a undercover situation that is way more dangerous and intimidating than you were prepared for is probably a huge shock. I would like to know how eager and confident these women were, when they were trying to convince O.U.R. that they could handle the job. I wonder if the "Trump Derangement Syndrome" virus has mutated or maybe some gain of function research turned it into a general "Conservative Derangement Syndrome"?
Interesting post. Good points. And entertaining. Thank you for your service.
No ones perfect or above immoral behavior ,Trump or Tim
Can you provide a link?
@@littleblizzard7591 Ask your neighbor how he feels about taking civilian women on dangerous missions to pose as his wife. Seriously. I’d love to know how people in the field feel about this practice.
How did you watch it? I'm not seeing it on her CZcams channel
With the M Russell Ballard and the brethren officially speaking out against Tim and effectively excommunicating him just before he’s about to announce a run for senate, kinda makes you wonder if all that money and power has turned the church into ‘the great and spacious’ building we all were warned about in Primary School 🤔
Not any different than the power and wealth of other large churches like the Catholic Church.
Was he actually excommunicated?
They don’t do it that way. There is process that has to be followed and it’s not called excommunication but withdrawal of membership. We don’t know what Tim did, but the church is making sure they are not involved in what’s Tim has been doing.
What? My goodness, no. We don't even have facts or answers so that's a pretty serious accusation against the church leaders
I agree with Glenn Becks statement! He said the church effectively publicly excommunicated Tim Ballard with their statement!!! It was a pathetic thing the church did. Why wouldn't they make public statements about the Lori Daybell child killer but they make comments about Tim Ballard??? I believe the evil Mitt Romney is behind all this!!!!
I dont know how you could know all that could come from being undercover. Sorry for their experiences. We all want to help in so many ways. There Is just no way to anticipate the outcome. Even the professionals dont know how things are going to turn out. My heart goes out to all who work so hard in our behalf. When mistakes are made we do better next time. I believe in repentance. It is for all of us. I hope their hearts can heal. And be careful who's life you hurt. Could be yours next time. OWN YOUR OWN EXPECTATIONS!!!!!!!!!!! With love and respect
I don’t understand the purpose of this video. Everything you said we have already known. There was nothing new.
Ralph is my husbands cousin….so my cousin too! Such a great man and intellect. I can only imagine the curriculum being incredible.
My heart breaks for Tim. No matter what has or hasn’t happened, understanding and forgiveness is needed.
im not sure the church could have handled this any worse. pathetic, at this point tim is irrelevant.
These women DIDN’T get put into this. They volunteered. They put themselves in the situation. No one was forced.
That's the problem that keeps coming up. These are adults that make choices.
Neither of you have read the Court documents. You are literally projecting your imagination on *what happened*.
Too many people believe in Teddy Bear Jesus. He cleansed the temple. What would he do to child sex traffickers? Did the people going into these missions think that they were going on a vacation? This is dark stuff. There is no way the methods can be clean here. The cleansing needs to occur afterwards through the Atonement. The church handled this incredibly poorly and Tim is not the church but you can’t support the way the church did this.
His wife gave an interview and spoke about this training and how incredibly difficult it is to have to expose yourself to the dark underbelly of this world. Actors should understand as what Tim and these people are doing is ACTING but the outcomes of their acting exposes great evil and saves others, unlike Hollywood.
@@mschenandlerbong8539 What Court documents? The allegations by the women are internal H.R. type claims, and neither the County, State, nor any Federal agency has indicted Tim Ballard that I have seen reported. I would want to read what has been filed with a court, please identify the court and case number, that would be most helpful.
Have you talked to Tim’s wife?
Sound of Freedom is successful despite huge efforts against it ....worms will attack those doing God's Work! No sign of these allegations b4 the movies success!
I stand with Tim !May God Bless & Protect him!!!
As far as keeping the gospel separate from the bureaucracy; this is something I agree with. The question is, is it the prophet speaking- or the lawyers?
Joseph Smith Jnr. had to deal with the problem of people hanging on every word he said and publishing things he might have said in passing etc.
To thus end I recall his saying, ' A prophet is only a prophet when acting as such. The rest of the time he is an ordinary man working out his salvation like any other'.
If a prophet duly considers an issue, takes the time to gather what ever facts he may feel to and then upon prayerful meditation is able to offer a conclusive statement THAT HE HAS RECEIVED DIVINE INSPIRATION ON, then that is what the humble seeker of truth and wisdom may adhere to.
The man in the church bureaucracy whose name is on the statement is Doug Anderson. Google “Transaction Man,” a 2012 New Yorker article in which a Douglas Anderson is flacking for Mitt Romney. Same guy?????
It isn't just about these sexual abuse charges. What about using a psychic that apparently spoke to Nephi, was paid an enormous amount of money but was never successful in finding any children? What about the involvement of Elder Ballard? Did he know about the psychic? What about the criticism from actual legit child rescue operations who refused to work with OUR? All of this seems to point to some pretty shady business.
Not too different from how the LDS church was founded. For better or worse true or false. The LDS founder claimed to have visions and angelic visitations. Looked through special EQ to translate an ancient book. (Turned out it was a rock in a hat)
Even Law enforcement have used psychics when looking for missing people….so what…do you believe everything you hear on lying news and podcasts? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone! Did the LDS Church and it’s leaders not know of the seriousness of sex trafficking and slavery….including the selling of body parts, the Adenochrome blood taken from children!
Every Church organization on earth should have been informing their members of such evil atrocities and doing something about it. If you claim to have a prophet and 12 Apostles…would God not have given instruction on stopping this insanity. The Church had divine revelation. of the Word of Wisdom, paying 10% tithing and The Family, Proclamation To The World…would you not have received revelation when it came to saving God’s little ones…the most precious in His eyes! I do not trust anyone anymore…man is truly an enemy to God!
Thank you for the clarification on the statement. Needed to hear that. I truly appreciate you spending the time to hear both sides of the story regarding the accusations. Great video as usual!
I appreciate your efforts Greg. We live in a fallen world where evil persist. It is not for me to judge guilt or innocence based on what someone says. I feel for everyone in this situation. I pray for everyone and may truth prevail whatever that is. I think there are to many looking at this with bias. We all need to check our bias and let God prevail.
Katherine Ballard’s interview on the Rod Arquette show was pretty illuminating. While being very nice about it, it disputes everything in the Church statement.
Agreed. I think people should interview her before they run off at the mouth. ((Sorry Greg))
I have to admit, the vagaries are getting incredibly frustrating. Based on what you’re saying, Greg, it almost sounds like these women didn’t know what they were signing up for. You’re right that it’s murky, because if they signed up to help save these kids, they had to have some idea, wouldn’t you think?
I feel like this is a witch hunt and it’s tragic to witness. “Innocent until proven guilty” should be the motto for all those not directly tied to the situation! 💔 And if women feel they’ve been harmed in any way, they should be talking to police and be entirely willing give their identities so they and their story too can be put under public scrutiny. The secrecy is understandable but not applaudable. 💔
@@foreverfree23History has proven woman do ruin a man's life for money! Where the proof?!
The problem is, Tim has admitted to most of the accusations - he just puts a different spin on it. It’s going to be really hard to convince most people that visiting strip clubs, getting lap dances, taking pills, sleeping in the same bed together, getting massages together, and even showering together is necessary to save children. He has admitted to all of these things, but says it was necessary. Contrary to what he says, there are many other organizations that have been saving people from human trafficking for years, and they do not use these tactics.
You interviewed ruby Franke about parenting. When are you going to comment on her situation?
Indeed. I'm curious about this as well
I do hope he will address this issue along with the fact that Hildebrandt was relied upon by the church.
10 min into this. still dont know what your talking about!
This may have been talked about so sorry if it was. Has anyone been able to find the actual statement by the LDS church? I can’t find it. All I find is the press quoting the article by the rag that broke the story. If you can provide a link to the actual church press release please do.
I now have no confidence that we will get to know the REAL truth.
I believe "The gospel" is true. But I would really appreciate the "church" not disgracing itself as much as it has lately. It's starting to become a trend and I'm very over it.
I invite you to go back and read all of President Nelson's conference talks since becoming a prophet. This is all part of our spiritual survival.
@@tiffanyseavy565 Making ridiculous statements to Vice is part of my spiritual survival? Sorry, no. I've read all the talks. I do my part. I put my trust in Jesus.
Maybe the gospel you believe to be "true" is not the true gospel. If you believe that you are right and the prophet is wrong, I would venture to guess that you are wrong.
@@robertopaulpickett4030 The Prophet or whoever passed this off didn't go through proper channels. Tim's stake president and bishop didn't even know about this. If you believe this is right, then I don't know what to tell you. We are living in the new America where you are guilty until proven innocent. Congrats!
@kristinpruett7733 A statement from a church spokesperson is approved for release by the First Presidency. If there was an error in this message, the Church is quick to retract. So far, there is no retraction. This means that the First Presidency stands behind it.
Unless you are going to give equal time to the women who actually went on the missions successfully...
Yeah, that’s who I’m more interested in hearing from.
What’s the difference between this “ acting “ role and Nephi cutting the head off of Laban and putting his clothes on in order to save a nation/children. In these situations you never know what you have to face. Why did they sign up for these roles… ??
We don’t know what happened yet in what context with Tim and these women. We can only speculate until the info is released. Nobody can say. Nephi was commanded by the spirit to do what he did. Unless the spirit commanded Tim and these women to do whatever they may or may not have done. Then the two are incomparable. We don’t even know yet if they are claiming to have been taken advantage of during active operations (although that’s how it sounds) or just in regular personal interaction with Tim.
Lots. Lots and lots. You cannot even compare the two! Tim is NOT A PROPHET
@@Cyle-1 I can say…
Innocent, and should be given the benefit of the doubt, until it can otherwise be adjudicated. If there is no adjudication in a criminal court, then any civil stuff is pointless for the accusation and the rest of it just becomes hearsay and should be 100% dismissed.
It’s the Davis county investigation that is upsetting so many- yes, maybe he can’t be charged in Utah… but the truth needs to come out for those that still give him money.
Great video, Greg.
As someone who has been involved with many high-energy characters throughout my life and been in their “orbit” so to speak, I tend to appreciate how flawed these types tend to be more than most. Great men are virtually always capable of great misdeeds as well. They often win big and fail bigger. That said, I’ve also witnessed pettiness and jealousy cloud the judgement of otherwise good people and allow that to paint things in an obscured way (such as Tim’s accusers).
I think it’s folly to allow the observations of folks on the sidelines to wholly dismiss the good that Ballard has done with OUR. Virtually all of his main critics have done exactly zero to end child trafficking. To include the Church and MRB specifically. I’m sure Tim screwed up, maybe even a lot.
If I had a child gone missing and being potentially trafficked, I can’t imagine a universe where I could look at a Tim Ballard and see him as anything other than my kid’s potential hero.
What if it was your daughter or wife making the claims against Tim?
@@kirklandmeadows I’m sure I’d be angry with Tim. Doesn’t erase what he and OUR have done. I spent almost a year of my life in a combat zone dealing with the best and worst the world has to offer. I knew men who were responsible for saving lives multiple times and went home and cheated on their wives. Made me sad but I still respected their service and was grateful for serving with them. They were still amazing men who were extremely flawed.
@@kirklandmeadowsI don't know how you can equate grown women suffering through a situation they volunteered for, to the sexual abuse of a child. This is sickening that the children, the innocent are overlooked here. Where is your natural empathy for the children. I mean really? Think about what you just said!
@@kirklandmeadowsI don't know how you can equate grown women suffering through a situation they volunteered for, to the sexual abuse of a child. This is sickening that the children, the innocent are overlooked here. Where is your natural empathy for the children. I mean really? Think about what you just said!
Agree. Do we not teach our children the story of David and Goliath and this lad’s great faith? Yet, this same David went on to commit adultery and was responsible for the death of the husband with whom he committed adultery. It doesn’t take away from the good David did and his example of faith to us.
I really appreciate what you do, Greg. There are so few voices of reason out there, and you are one that I can consistently count on. You are very grounded and objective. Thank you!
I appreciate that!
Greg, Same from me. I trust your level headedness and integrity as the investigative voice to sift through this. I trust you now on this endeavor more than anyone else for updates.
Some people are just born good. Greg is one of them.😊
There are lingering questions:
1. How many missions has Tim organized and led? Not funded, not supported, not participated... just their own operations.
2. How many children have these Tim-led missions saved?
3. Is OUR a pass-through organization as many former employees claim?
4. Are the numbers claimed by OUR a direct result of work by OUR? Or are they claiming the operations done by other organizations as theirs as former employees claim?
I've been skeptical of Tim Ballard and OUR from the start. And these questions need to be answered.
Indeed they do. Vice, nor LDS church are trustworthy.
Would you take The Elizabeth Smart Foundation as a trustworthy source? They came out and said that their Foundation Severed All Ties with Tim and O.U.R after finding out how the 'operations' were being done.
You appear to be very worried about this topic and what you know that we don’t know. Now you got me thinking the worst. I just can’t imagine anything being worse than selling kids for sex or organs. Imagine if we investigated FBI and CIA agents about their roles in undercover operations. We don’t know their religions. Because Tim is LDS he is obviously being held to a very high standard. Most of the works could care less about standards. So, is this about destroying him and his intentions to run for Senate? It is very shady. I will wait for the whole story, but most of us don’t believe the media anymore. This is heartbreaking.
Yep. Agree with you
Actually the FBI and CIA are the lowest of the evil scum in human trafficking, organ harvesting and adrenochrome and sacrifice.
@@alindalt2897
Tim and Russell at the same time eh. And right when they were both fighting for a specific thing.
The situation is distressing. Thank you for imparting clarify to sooth the hysteria. I value your judgement and look forward to increased understanding.
These woman were trained and knew exactly what they were getting into. Nothing was held back. There were operatives who went before them who shared exactly what would happen. Just because it didn't turn out like they expected they have no right to ruin someone else's life. They should be ashamed of themselves.
And how do you know that??? Did you go through their training? Did you watch them? Did you help train them? Did you see and hear everything they did?? I'm betting no.
Do you even know how long they trained for? Hint, it was way less than a rookie street police officer that is in less dangerous circumstances. 🤦♀️
Totally agree! They knew the evil they were dealing with! They have been bought!!!
@@anniebananie8100 You can know the evil you are dealing with without knowing what you might be asked to do. Police and government agencies don't even use civilians for these kinds of operations for a reason. Tim had no business involving these women even if they did volunteer.
@@tiffanyseavy565 Those are the very details that would help all of us "sideline observers" understand it all better.
However, I struggle to believe that anyone who presents themselves to try to go undercover to infiltrate a group that relishes child pornography and child sexual exploitation, where those you are trying to expose have all kinds of money, drugs, and weapons at there fingertips, would credibly be able to claim they expected the BYU honor code to govern all of the undercover situations they would encounter.
If the men and women going undercover to infiltrate the ranks of these kind of people are embarrassed by child or adult sexual deviance maybe they should have volunteered for fundraising efforts instead.
I just have a hard time believing those seeking to infiltrate that group would be so naive.
That said, if there were other men also going undercover with the "spouse rouse" whether it was similar to what Tim is accused of and whether there really was a need for that angle to infiltrate or go undercover. Tim had the federal agency experience, and should have known the better ways to what was best to do.
No, the women are claiming Tim groomed and manipulated them. The claims aren’t even about the couples ruse out in the field. It’s about Tim telling them his psychic and Elder Ballard approved the oral he was asking them to perform on him to test the “chemistry”. This isn’t about training. This is about sick, deep sexual exploitation.
Thank you for covering this. You are a source of information I trust.
Kinda reminds me of the movie "Donnie Brasco" with Johnny Depp. In the movie one of the lead FBI agents is mormon and when Donnie is using foul language in front of him the character tells him to "hey clean up your language because some of us here are mormon." If your surrounded by mob guys all day you have to live and talk a certain way. As has been said in other comments, I kinda don't think these ladies really knew what they were getting into and when they were asked to do certain things to maintain cover it upset their delicate sensibilities. If of course that's how it happened.
Amateurs should NOT be involved with these operations. I support Tim Ballard, but he shouldn't consider using innocent and amateur participants (I'm guessing there are religious followers). Narrow and straight followers of Christ who are as innocent as the driven snow shouldn't volunteer for these operations. Of course the evil one will seek to compromise oneself any way he can. Support Tim's efforts by leaving this to the professionals who voluntarily made the life choice to fight evil in a Telestial manner.
Sure that no one forced them to join the team !!
The crickets 🦗 from the Church since the movie came out is deafening. Other churches and countless groups have piled on praise and support for Angel Studios and Tim Ballard, but absolutely nothing from our church. Makes one wonder if we are afraid of attention being cast our way because of many, yet to come forth from BSA lawsuits . It might also be awkward with the 10 Migrant Welcome Centers operated by the church. Thousands are processed thru these. We have been told that only family units are housed there.
Estimates are that 40-60% of the so-called family units contain children not related to the adults 🤔🤔. Back in May, when DNA tests were required, so-called family units would scatter like flies when given the opportunity to give DNA proof. IMO the Church has great exposure here. Add that to a possible Senate run, he needed to be removed.
Can you provide information or links on the migrant center thing with the church? I believe this whole thing is political which makes me sick!!! And if the church is really running migrant centers, it is even more political than I first thought. Thank you for the information.
Search LDS Church Migrant Centers in Church News articles 6/23.
The Church does not have migrant centers. Please post your source or take down this post.
The Op was correct that there are lds welcome centers. Take from it what you will, i saw that you had a question that didn't appear to have been answered.
@phoxaywhitehead3954 Source? I work with LDS migrant populations and attend church with them. None of them have ever heard of one. Cite a source, please.
And so I wonder if the church publicly tries to ruin someone, would they do the same to someone who was charged with child abuse like a grandson of a former prophet- named McConkie? Or is it only to those that are trying to SAVE kids?
or the time nelsons daughter and son in law had multiple minors accusing them of sexual abuse at weird parties....suddenly nelson tells members to do a week long social media fast...the same week that news barely came out...got buried and accusers quietly paid off
I already knew about these women coming forward…what I am unclear about is how “deep” this “abuse” is that they are claiming.
You are going UNDERCOVER dealing with CRIMINALS. That means blending in, at all costs. This is literally life and death. You either make it out the other side, or you will die…this sounds possibly like these women were sent in knowing they would need to be put in compromising positions and suckered Tim into this “abuse”.
No the fault is on the organization that used crappy "training" they had no authority or right to put these housewives through. It's a disgusting predatory behavior. Tim drums up more motivation for kidnappers. One woman specifically said the traffickers stole the girls FOR the "job". They got them off the street for the deal TIM created. He's traumatized more than helped.
@@tiffanyseavy565 You keep saying that, but what is your verification. That's the common claim by people fighting against investigating trafficking. The same ones claim that it doesn't happen except when law enforcement sets it up. It's a dishonest claim.
WHy are these housewives any different than men who are in the same boat? Often undercover LEOs have no idea what to expect until they are in a situation.
Exactly what is the nature of this supposed behavior? You've both talked about your involvement and that you weren't involved. Which is it?
@@tiffanyseavy565think we better step back on these judgements till we actually understand how the operations really work. It is very easy to speculate on a situation that we are just not privy nor understand the nuances. It could be that the tactics used by Tim and others may have circumvented some norm with respect to standard protocol on how these operations run. I’m sure the rank and file being us have no idea. I guess we’ll get the real facts soon.
The women are saying he was forcing them into sex acts in Utah, not out in the field to test the “chemistry” for the couples ruse. Approved by his psychic and Elder Ballard. There’s no excuse for this.
@@RichardChappell1 I was involved in a local awareness group in 2020. I did tons of research. I was obsessed trying to learn more and how I could get involved to rescue those children. My research about OUR and Tim kept turning south. There were red flags I ignored and wanted to say were fake, like you said, where's the evidence. But there was too much. Too many stories didn't add up. Then I found a blog by one of the ladies Tim recruited. I WISH I could remember it or find it again, I would share it with you. I dumped everything after January 2021 when all my research caused me so much stress I had a breakdown. The Spirit warned me though. I just didn't listen. I had to learn the hard way.
If OAR was serious about stopping or helping with child trafficking, look in your own back yard. Every study shows that it is most prévenant in families and churches. Going to a 3rd world country with no accountability or laws is totally BS. Wake up people.
Thanks Greg. I appreciate all you do. Waiting for further updates.
Tim did an interview with an operative who really for sure did this rouse with Tim. She was a professional actress and the interview made it sound like she was the only woman Tim would do this because of her skills as an actress. They had certain rules of things beforehand that why wouldn't do together like kissing.
I find it odd Tim would ever go undercover with a regular woman because their acting skills could get them killed
That interview has been taken down.
@@CwicShow No, I just watched it.
@@CwicShow do you know why?
Marisol's video with Tim is still there I just checked.
@@stacybaird9712 was it the recent one? She has a couple with him. But the recent one I watched a couple days ago does seem to be gone. Unless I just am not finding it
Pay attention to what's being going on the last ten years. Be patient, watch, pray, wait, listen, don't make any assumptions or conclusions.
Thanks Greg. God speed, and take care.
Are we sure these women aren’t C I A or just plain getting paid off and set him up? I know it sounds preposterous but anything is possible these days. I’d like to know where they actually came from. Is their background legit? The timing is too ironic. It has Happened before.
“Go thy way unto thy brother, and first be reconciled to thy brother" - 3 Nephi 12
I am not defending Tim. He may be a great man or he may be a fallen man. I dont know. But him not knowing and supposedly only hearing about it first from the media troubles me. Not even his SP or bishop knew of something coming from SLC? Why didnt they all sit down and confront him....namely Elder Ballard?
Id love to hear more details next week because it seems like there was an end run to appease the anti Lds and cover our interests before even giving Tim a chance to address things specifically with them on these intense public charges
Let's not forget that people have their own agency. These women had their own agency. They didn't have to agree to anything. Kind of interesting that these women are speaking out just now... and "more are coming forward". I'm not saying what they say is true or not. I don't know. I don't think anyone has all the facts at the moment. But they did make choices
Who is releasing or shedding this additional light next week?
I believe many of the comments made about these “women” is exactly why the women have hesitated to come forth. They will be victim blamed and shamed. It took courage for them to speak up, anticipating being vilified, thereby hurting them and their families. Once the truth is revealed, I would hope some of you would apologize to these women. It would be the decent thing to do.
"Why are these women being put into these positions...." My question is, "Why are they volunteering for these positions, knowing that this industry is scummy and dangerous?" They have husbands and children??? Why volunteer for something so risky and crazy dangerous? Something smells funny, and it reeks of money/lawsuits.
How do you know if they are anonymous? Right? They could be just seeing the opportunity to sue? Why would women with families sign up for this job? So many questions
That is exactly my thoughts, everyone keeps saying these are housewives or mothers with families, why in the world would they choose to do this? So much for innocent before proven guilty, the moment these stories came out it’s been the opposite.
@@shelley.ramirez96 well he’s ruining Satans favorite sin against children. So between politics and the media their trying to destroy his hood works. These women are probably already suing OUR and I personally don’t believe Tim was forcing anyone to do anything, I am sure he wishes he hadn’t hired any women that were married with families but he probably trusted them. I’ll never give up on him or his good works 💕🙏
So another words basically people got in on these operations, without being fully aware that they needed to lie and get a little dirty themselves in order to accomplish these tasks to get these guys convicted. These situations are a lot like Nephi, killing Laban, or like Teancum killing Amalackiah. It begs the question, is it worth it to essentially “break covenants” in order to accomplish the greater good? Is it right for people sometimes to do these kinds of things in order to convict pedophiles?
I agree. You need the priesthood and inspiration to accomplish good things. It is clear to me that Tim had both in his early work. The bad guys rely on the powers of evil to accomplish their child exploitation. They expect good people to just look the other way. I thank God Tim didn't do that. Sadly, many churchy people are comfortable with ignoring the suffering.
@@rolandsmith4394 but in discussion of this, I can’t say that I would be willing to do that. It would take a lot of courage to lie for the greater good. I would end up being a martyr before I could end up being a liar.
I feel like this military strategist thinking can move someone’s morality into gray areas. So it makes me question whether or not, we should stand still and wait for the Lord’s hands to be revealed, or if we should be the Teancums of the world. Not that I’m on appreciative of what Tim has done to help those kids. It’s just a hard question to answer is all.
@@zionmama150 I wouldn't condem you for that. No. Not at all. But I'm not going to call Tim 'immoral' for doing what he does, either. Looking the other way, ignoring the problem, is not ok. Think about moroni. He executed Nephites who wouldn't support the War. Nephi killed Laban. My father killed Japanese soldiers in WWII. Did you see the movie? Tim killed an abuser with his bare hands. Saving children from sexual exploitation is nothing to apologize for.
@@rolandsmith4394 If you research what is factual from the movie you’ll find that Tim Ballard did not kill anyone in real life.
@@brendanorton6086 sad, if true. He needs to repent, then for fraud. I paid good money to see Sound of Freedom. ((Sarcasm warning))
This helps sheds some light on what could be going on with what I've been hearing from Eric Moutsos, a former cop who's now a social media influencer from Utah, lately. He says he spoke with 4 alleged victims of Tim Ballard, but has yet to give any details. Now I'm thinking that these 4 were actually involved in these couple ruses perhaps. It can be a good approach to avoid being put in morally compromising situation when under cover, but I can also see how things can go south real quick using a strategy like this.
And with each of them, no real details or specifics about what the behavior is - at least that I've heard from Moustos.
@astevezimm - Eric Moutsos is not exactly a credible, unbiased source of information. He is a right-wing social media influencer that's ignored by most Utahns except for those on the fringe right. I was friends with him for many years until he went off the deep end.
Is Vice a modern version of the Nauvoo Expositor? Does it have the same kind of goals?
This story is so delicate, Greg. I just want to understand why you would even let these women even talk to you about this case? Have you talked with Katherine Ballard?
Yes, it is.
I'm no big defender of Greg but come on man! I know this is upsetting but it's not Greg's fault.
The one thing, so far, I've learned from all this is is to reserve judgement until all the facts are out. Esp when the person with the information is slow-rolling it.
Hard to do in this insta-click society. But wow, lessons learned.
Even with all the “facts” it is getting more difficult to know what is true and a lie we are told is fact.
“Give me a person and we’ll find a crime” that is the police state we are in. 😡
Excellent video. You are handleing this issue well for someone not trained in special operations. For background, I am a retired infantry officer, Airborne, Ranger, Special Forcess who has commanded an SF A-Team. Special Ops is a dirtry, dark world. To succeed, gain the trust of the villions you are targeting, you have to pass for the evil people. This is dark, dirty work. I would not ask any woman nor man to do it. You can tell people what will happen, but until they experience it, it is a game with out reality. Reality can be a rude awakening. I have no dought that several people who have been involved in these operations are still in "shell shock". My wife of 52 years, who lived through my career had no idea about it still does not comprehend SF or or Special Operations. That Tim Ballard has experienced all of the evil that he has and has maintained this testimony and Spirit is amazing. (As an asside, I have been and still am a worthy temple recommend holder)
I do not believe that the Church should sponsor showcase Tim or OUR. It is not the Church's mission because it must operate in the shadows. The problem is the Church was all to happy to associate with Tim and OUR, to include in carring them on the Church's website. This set up the current Church delema. Satan, the master of deception, took advantage of this and Doug Anderson, the Director for Church Media, exploited the problem with the hit piece. I have to believe that Anderson, a 15 year veteran of jungle media wars, knew what he was doing and as a loyal liberal minion who hates Tim and doesn't want to see him in the Senate, used this oportunity to deliver the hit.
I’m standing with Tim. I’ve read his books, too. There is no perfect person in the world. But he is pretty darn close.
In short, there are two sides, two teams of women: Those who side with Tim and those, as you said, "Feel they have been taken advantage of!"
It's hard to imagine that Tim didn't make it clear to these women, multiple times, that the operations were risky and could put them in very difficult or even unforseen situations! If that's the case, did these women sign on to that risk or possibility and embrace it!?!?
Of course these women signed on of their own free will--that's why their "anonymous" stories are all suspect.
Thank you for all you're doing to help clear this all up! I especially appreciate that you are standing with the church! It saddens me the way that some people are so quick to turn against the church and lose their testimonies because of one situation that we still know so little about. Maybe this is yet another test to see who is truely faithful to Jesus Christ and His true church.
Only one situation? The church has lied and deceived people countless times.
I too hope people will be able to understand that the church has policy dealing with the pressures of the world and disinformation thrown about. This is still the Church of Jesus Christ. I love The Church, the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and I admire and respect Tim Ballard hugely!! We are all imperfect people living in an imperfect world doing the best we can under terribly difficult circumstances. Don't let this be another sifting of our membership in the church.
Why now???
Jealousy over his recent movie, his attempt to run for office, politicians fearful populist candidates, I suppose there are other reasons synergy enough to fill a barrel.
Greg do you think the church will acknowledge what it said and how it approached this? Another statement might clear things up
Years ago I would have said yes. I don't know now.
Perhaps you should get Tim on your show or his wife to explain exactly how it works. Tim's wife spoke on the Rod Arquette show I cried😢 listening to her.
Dang, last I heard she had an emergency and cancelled. What did she say, in a nutshell?
Looking forward to hearing more from you on this. I don’t trust anyone else to be objective
Think about this: Tim watches video and looks at photos all day of people in comprising positions. I think that last thing he would do would allow himself to be in a compromising position, knowing he could be filmed or photographed.. and it seems strange that TWO WOMEN also spoke with a guy on Instagram..
Eric Moutsous is claiming the same thing. Why would they come to these two guys?
I beleve in the church of Jesus Krist of latter days saints😊❤
In doing that, I belive in the profet,his councelers and the 12 apostles❤ I know that whatever problems we face in the church, it will be taking care of...what happens outside,is not for mee to judge,all I need to do,is to live my life as best as possible in Jesus name❤ love God and all humans on earth😊❤and then hope I am wearthy to have the Holy Goast with me😊❤❤❤❤❤
The thrueth will prevale
Just put down the krayon and walk away. You are not helping anyone.
Maybe the Church is becoming polluted as prophesied by Moroni. Mormon 8:38.
Jesus, too. Read the Joseph Smith Translation of Matthew Ch. 7. He was pretty clear. Buckle up!
Could we see a schism beginning with this very sick way they did this? They didn’t even tell his bishop or have the love to maybe talk to Tim before blasting him out of the water on what? They won’t even say. It’s beginning to feel like a government
@@rolandsmith4394most definitely. BUCKLE UP!
matt 24:22 as well, its all going to hell in a hand basket
So did these women approach you or did you reach out to them for their story?
I just have a terrible feeling about this... why are they speaking out now?
Thank you for being rational and trying to get the facts.
It’s like the whole Me movement all over again. Except they are attaching the people rescuing children instead of the creeps in Hollywood