Drinker's Chasers - Doctor Who Disaster: Lowest Ratings In 60 Year History
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- čas přidán 23. 05. 2024
- Just when you think it can't get worse, it does. The most recent episode of Doctor Who, Boom, posted just over 2 million overnight viewers - the lowest in the show's entire 60 year history.
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How is this a problem? They said it wasn't for us. They're getting the audience they wanted.
Yes, tumbleweeds.
@@someguy4405and the sounds of crickets!!!
The BBC is funded by the tax payer.. if the normal people tune out they can't afford to make these shows.. they've got the woke lot.. but they don't pay taxes as is. Because they are bums protesting for hamas and the suppression of women.
(insert grass-touching sounds here)
@@aishalotter9995 Only the sounds as even crickets don't want to watch it!
Just saying its getting the worst ratings of all time doesn’t do this failure justice. In the late 80’s the BBC was actively looking for any reason to cancel it. They slashed its budget year after year, gave them bad scripts, unenthusiastic producers, a clueless “showrunner”, kept moving its time slot round week by week, zero advertising budget and had it unlisted from the tv guides “accidently” more than once.
IT IS NOW GETTING WORSE RATINGS THAN WHEN THEY DIDN’T TELL PEOPLE IT WAS ON TV.
Well that's what they get for showing it when the weather's good.
And probably the last season was the one with higher budget and most advertisment.
I ask as an ignorant American, but why would the BBC want to tank one of its own shows?
@@SuperLloyd84 There's a LOT of grass in Britain, and it all needs to be touched. How did ever they think that we would have time to watch this show?
@@EwanCumia Its the BBC, a non-profit "public service" broadcaster. Ratings don't really matter at the BBC, just serving whatever they've been told or themselves decided their current goals are. Back then it probably was that it was purely an entertainment show when it was supposed to be an educational show. What keeps it going today is probably just that; it's what the current heads at the BBC deem to be "educational" for the right causes.
That's why it's a gay black man in the role, then when it's poorly rated they can blame racism and homophobia.
wasnt tom baker a gay white man , and they never said anything about the doctors sexuality one way or another , the actor may have been gay but the character doesnt have to be ...
@@peterolsen9131Tom Baker is not gay
@@peterolsen9131 - The present Dr Who ALSO says nothing about his sexuality, or his skin colour. It is only right-wing snowflakes whonare obsessing over this.
@@peterolsen9131Uh no 😮. Weird.
@@peterolsen9131The man is still alive and y'all are already altering his history. He was married to Lalla Ward. 😂
Star Trek, Dr Who, James Bond, Indiana Jones.
All of my childhood faves have been piledriven into the ground.
Gremlins and Back to the Future are the only two I can think of that haven't been wrecked. There's maybe more, dunno. But those two haven't been.
Well, you see, you have a lesson to learn, komrade.
@@brick6347 If I'm not mistaken, Bob Gale is the reason Back to the Future hasn't been bastardized yet. I dread the day he passes.
Do it like me, stop watching stuff after they hit the peak. They can't destroy my memories bc I refuse to pay/watch them for it.
More like spitroasted by the LGHDTVHDR+ community.
Doctor Who was cancelled a couple years ago.
Who cares whatever fan fiction is on TV right now.
this is the universe I live in.
Show ended with Capaldi’s last episode.
@@Gojirawars03The show ended with the 50th Anniversary movie. Everything after was horrendous.
@@Gojirawars03 I'd say it ended when Jenna Coleman left. Capaldi was good but his run was the start of this deranged woke era, as exemplified by the worst companion up to that point: Bill.
Doctor Who was cancelled in 1989.
They've taken the show from Doctor Who to Doctor Who cares.
To Nurse What.
Wow what an original comment
Haven't you reposted this everywhere?
@@buddhamack1491 The truth is rarely original.
I just call it “what’s this $h¡t?”
i am an amputee and still able to count modern doctor who fans with my fingers
Did they amputate your legs?
@@ganndeber1621 yes, but not for any medical reason. The number of fans kept falling and he had to keep up with it.
Are you just a torso then?
@@E36ist Types with his nose.
@@E36ist Has he ever considered becoming an MP?
they pretty specifically told me they didn't want me watching their show a few years ago.
I obliged.
I saw a couple other comments reference this and I'm just curious, what did they say to this effect?
@@Durzo1259Vanity Fair asked Ncuti Gatwa what he would say to anyone who was upset at a Black person in the lead role. He sad they should go and touch grass.
This has been repeatedly misreported as him saying that he didn't want Doctor Who fans to watch the show, but what he was actually saying was that racists need to start living in the real world
You should still watch it anyway
@@peterjermey7235 I didn't even see that one. I was referring to early in the chibbers/jodie era, but can't recall the exact quote.
edit: but thanks for implying I'm racist... that's neat.
@@Rotom0479 nah, that's okay. I'll stick with classic who and the first few reboot doctors.
Quite an achievement considering the population was lower 60 years ago.
And only about 75% of homes in the UK had a telly in the 1960s.
You mean when nobody had even heard of it :)
@@brick6347 They really are ice skating uphill.
There were only two TV channels in the UK when Dr Who first launched.
And less worldwide recognition/distribution
Worst ratings in Doctor Who history is bad enough. If you take into account that when the show was created, the world had nearly a 3rd of the population as it does now just makes it that much worse.
And people couldn't just rewatch the episode at any time, they had to wait when it's played on TV again...
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p or they'd record it to VHS and never watch a broadcast of it again.
Yeah but there were only 3 channels....maybe 2...back then. In 1985 for example, a snooker match got nearly 19m viewers in the UK.
@ph8077 I can say with 100% certainty that's not true 🤣.
You're essentially claiming 50% of the adult population watched that game. Its safe to say women didn't watch it and I seriously doubt 100% of men aged 18-100+ watched the snooker. So man had work that day or something better to do 🤣.
@liverpooljft9623 I can say with 100% certainty that you're full of isht.
Snooker was a massive deal in the 80's, there were less channels (or any forms of entertainment really) to choose from. Families would sit around the only screen in the house and watch TV together.
Also, 18.5 million divided by 56.5 million is 32.7%.
100% True story: in 1987 at age 15 I was so obsessed with Doctor Who that I practically ruined a family vacation by begging that we go home early because I forgot to set the VCR to record it.
The episode was Tom Baker's last, Logopolis. When you missed an episode back then, you would have had to wait several years for it to air again. So I was kind of justified 🤣
Sadly, now I can't even be bothered to turn the tv on to watch it. 😪
You could have phoned a friend and ask him to tape it.
Unfortunately, it wasn't a very good episode.
@@billjacobs521 Logopolis is a classic, tf you talking about
I'm sure you can find torrents of the entire series and thus can watch all the best the series has to offer. Of course, it's recommended to skip anything past Matt Smith - arguably the last decent Doctor.
@@mirceazaharia2094 I agree. People always make allowances for Capaldi, but I think he and his Doctor are godawful.
"I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here: it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could and before you even knew what you had you patented it and packaged it and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now you're selling it, you want to sell it!"
This quote perfectly embodies everything wrong with modern entertainment. 💯🎉
"Most kinds of power require a substantial sacrifice by whoever wants the power. There is an apprenticeship, a discipline lasting many years. Whatever kind of power you want. President of the company. Black belt in karate. Spiritual guru. Whatever it is you seek, you have to put in the time, the practice, the effort. You must give up a lot to get it. It has to be very important to you. And once you have attained it, it’s your power. It can't be given away: it resides in you. It is literally the result of your discipline.
Now what is interesting about this process is that, by the time someone has acquired the ability to kill with his bare hands, he has also matured to the point where he won't use it unwisely. So that kind of power has a built-in control. The discipline of getting the power changes you so that that you won't abuse it.""
The book speech was more meaningful. But the movie was still gold.
Where are these quotes from?
@@evanburrows1697 Jurassic Park. 🎉
@@tylergoodman3560 A very wise quote, that’s for sure
Essentially they didn’t create it, they bought it or at least inherited it.
This is all Hollywood does these days. Take an iconic IP loved by many people and twist them into their own agenda.☹️
There are no real women acting as a woman, not a single one! And Dr. Who is a girl on testosterone!
I mean, the IP is still going on, what's the problem?
@@Rotom0479 Man, you're going to develop extreme existential dread once the concepts of "future" and "potential" finally make sense to you
I'm with Gundam, if I was getting paid like the people making this god awful show was, I'd sell out in a heart beat. I'd tell all my friends and family to never watch my TV show. lmao
@@Wolf_ManJack Hey man, sorry about this troll post. My little brother got a hold of my YT account and began leaving these all over. Sorry if this inconvenienced you.
Jinx monsoon
Jinx = to curse with ill fortune or bad luck
Monsoon = a storm or flood, Usually associated with great disaster.
Taadaaaaaaa!
Monsoon of the Winds of Destruction.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p S'been 11 long years, yet MGR:R is still relevant. More now than ever.
Considering the higher amount of devices to watch it on compare to 60 years ago, shows the true size of this failure.
This true. Yet there is a section of people claiming its the best its ever been. Just like they did with Whitaker. And that section of people are also claiming the A.I, is great on it. In other words the people who watch it love it. And its the most watched and popular show on the BBC still. But if they are only getting 2 million or so live views and a million or so more added from iplayer and catchup, you have to ask this question. Where is the audience? If Doctor Who is the highest rated show across the BBC at only 2 million all that means is everything else they make is getting even less!!! And the A.I. is meaningless if only 3 million are watching! It would be far more impressive if 10 - 20 million were watching! All that proves is there are 3 million or so people with very low standards for their entertainment. Either that or they are incredible woke / gay or stupid...or all three.
Considering that Disney+ views aren't counted here, do you think the amount of devices might be the problem here?
@@4203105 Do you mean too much choice hence the low rating? I'm not following your response. Could you help me understand? *not sarcasm, but genuine interest in understanding*
The opposite of love is not hate. It's indifference.
Or apathy.
Contempt. I am contempt.
Heard interview with RTD. Worst. Showrunner. Interview. Ever. He's drank his own narcissistic kool-aid. Said several times that viewers don't have to bother with Doctor Who's past or history THIS is the only Doctor Who now - a tad jaw dropping how dismissive he is now, dumping on the entire legacy of the show. Horrid.
Mao's "the four olds"...here we go again
I mean he's literally the showrunner who brought it back in 2005. He also made sure a viewer didn't have to watch the classic era when he brought it back.
@@erg1947 There are also unresolved allegations of bullying and mismanagement from his time on the show. Three of the actors he worked with have been accused of sexual misconduct, and Christopher Eccleston has refused to come back to Who while he presides over it. Davies does deserve credit for what he did for the show in 2005, but there are also some serious questions about his running of the show that need to be answered.
@@TranscendentLion so for Eccleston it was the actions of the director who filmed the first set of series 1 episodes that started his issues. He went to the producers, including RTD, about it and felt they didn't do enough. This lead to him not trusting them resulting in him leaving. After that his issues became with the BBC higher ups above RTD.
I only know of two actors and from what I've heard both of them, Barrowman in particular, were like that on other shows too unfortunately.
@@erg1947 According to Eccleston himself, his professional relationship with Davies broke down, and more recently, he specifically said that he would only come back to Who if Davies were not involved.
As for the misconduct allegations, there was John Barrowman, but Noel Clarke was accused of similar behaviour, and Bruno Langley was actually charged. Altogether, it doesn't paint a positive picture of Davies as showrunner.
It would be better if it was cancelled
the comments on here is worse than cancer.
No it wouldn't. The show being cancelled would be worse
@@Rotom0479 How?
What a stupid and innaccurate comment. Dr Who is shite and has been for years. A once great show ruined @Rotom0479
@@AntiAntiSepticUKIf they cancel it, it might get rebooted later with people who actually care about the audience. Can't have that.
Disparu had an amazing take in a recent video. He concludes RTD is deliberately driving away the fans and aiming the show at grooming the children to accept his foul beliefs.
that take is a bit too based for Daily Wire's Critical Drinker
Intentional stock plummeting to buy it all up for cents on the dollar is also a very possible thing.
@@raketensven3127 They're also making the franchise worth cents on the dollar, so .. *Iron Man* "Not a great plan"
Does he want to convince children to accept his "foul beliefs"? Sure. But no reason to believe the “groomer” conspiracy theory that these are all p-dos.
Well that doesn't make any sense
To paraphrase Dr. McCoy "It's dead, Jim"
Great one!
Also, "it's life Jim, but not as we know it..."
I’d rather touch grass than kids. 😂 Doctor Who is unwatchable.
What?! What does that have to do with it?
@@theradgegadgie6352pretty much anyone involved with the original reboot to this one, minus most main actor/actresses are of the Savile/Weinstein club.
This is what happens when you put a £1M's in a lunatics pocket...RTD. hes not bothered. He's rich now, he doesnt care. We're peasants
"I think Russell genuinely believes this is groundbreaking TV." Well it's breaking something.
its so groundbreaking that the ground is breaking beneath their feet sending them into an abysmally dark void of nothingness.
See that’s what all these woke people say “it’s ground breaking it’s the fans fault they’re sexist they’re racist” they know this stuff doesn’t work they 100% know that it’s propaganda they’re pushing
AZ is right, most people don’t give a shit about the colour of the doctor’s skin, the doctors gender or who the doctor is attracted to as long as the character is good and the story is well written and enjoyable.
Unfortunately AZ is also right that all they are doing is preaching. Preaching is not entertainment, preaching is a method of exerting one’s will upon an audience.
We want to be entertained not talked down to.
The Silverback sees very clearly
Very well put, that's it exactly.
This is why I even liked Jodie when she had a semi-competent script and could acquit herself.
The thing is. I've had episodes of loads of shows with actors that I like that I have hated.
So far. I don't like Gatwa, I don't like his Doctor, I'm not at all impressed by how he acquits himself (not at all), and the stories are absolute shite. That said. That's not to say that 13th doctor who was good and not to say that the latter half of 12 was good, either...
I am not sure exactly when it happened but there was definitely a shift towards the show being less about the story and the adventures and more about the Doctor and his companions. It became a soap opera in a flying police box rather than a sci-fi adventure.
I think they do. At least about him being a heterosexual, and a male. Anything else would imply him being a trans
What did they expect? The actor gone on a rahc!st rant on twitter about their core audience...
Well, if you're asking honestly, they expected you to feel guilty and watch it. They bank a lot on the stupidity of feeling guilty for things your ancestors did, or others do, or for things you have that they don't even when you earned them and they didn't, and so on and so on and so on.
Yeah the amount of people that fall for that ancestor thing here in the US is pretty baffling considering even if that somehow made you guilty it’s estimated the amount of people connected to slaver ancestors is well below 1% on the low end and at the absolute highest estimate, 5%.
@@LyaksandraB When what is happening in reality is that an increasing number of people will only watch stuff that comes recommended, either by real life friends or trusted sources on socia media. And not even to avoid politicised nonsense like Dr. Who, but just because there is so much stuff to watch now and the algorithms are still dumb a.f., only showing you more of the last thing you clicked on.
Hollywood, as a placeholder for big budget productions, seems to have realized this increase in quality filters in their customers, they are slowly starting to turn. With a little luck publicly funded producers like the BBC will catch on to that trend eventually.
@@brandonnumbskull58 the islamists got round that problem by castrating the male slaves - there are no descendants
@@brandonnumbskull58does that include people of colour? Tippu Tip, the white gold phenomenon, berber pirates, the african that sold to the slave trade etc etc. The height of the slave trade saw the overwhelming majority of white people in England living abject poverty watching their babies die before their very eyes, but yeah check out that privilege.
This just in: Russell T. Davies wants to remind everyone yet again that he created "Queer as Folk" in 1999.
I have it on DVD alongside the American version of it too.
@@georgeray1906 I'd be securely wiping your hard drive if I were you.
If anyone is tempted to think this thing from RTD is new, they should go back and watch that show
@@2012sonora Question from a non Dr. Who fan.
Did RTD change or is this what he always wanted Dr. Who to become?
Cause from what im hearing the inital reboot was nothing like this.
@@almalone3282 growing up with it and seeing this new version I’d say he’s changed.
There’s always been things you could point to as having his influence like the over sexualisation of some characters but the show used to be able to be properly serious and conveyed the doctors philosophy and power. Nowadays the doctor isn’t a threat, a point I’ve always held is that any actor playing the doctor should be able to have a convincing thousand yard stare but also be a reassuring presence. He’s seen a lot of death but hasn’t let it change his outlook.
They told me they didnt want white men to watch. I'm not white, but not black either, and I stand with my men who are being shunned, so I'm just obliging to their request. Ever since Peter Capaldi I lost interest.
Peter was not a good doctor, Jodie was actually much better than him, the biggest difference was the writing. Peter had the good fortunate of a competent team of writers and Jenna Coleman, Jodie got a bunch of wacko.
Wait wait wait... they put Simon Kinberg in charge of the Star Trek reboot?!
The guy who is responsible for ruining the X-Men movies when he was with 20th Century Fox?!
Ah yes... how did Sir Christopher Lee put it, many years ago: "In the movie business, there seem to be people who manage to fail upwards...."
"The Dalek Invasion of Earth"
"Tomb of the Cybermen"
"Inferno"
"Genesis of the Daleks"
"Earthshock"
"Revelation of the Daleks"
"The Curse of Fenric"
"The Empty Child"
"The Girl in the Fireplace"
"Vincent and the Doctor"
"Heaven Sent"
Always remember.
Fugitive of the Judoon is an oasis in a desert.
Apart from the last 4 duds, I agree.
@@DorisDay-lw4xsdid you just call empty child a dud bro?
Also midnight, don't forget midnight
@@DorisDay-lw4xs Heaven Sent is Doctor Who's best episode.
Which ones are good? I vaguely recall watching some of the Tom Baker shows on reruns when I was wee lad and they bored the shit out of me compared to all the great cartoons at the time like G.I. Joe, Transformers, TMNT and The Real Ghostbusters.
When I taught Classics, I took comfort that my students glimpsed the greatness of Homer, Plato, Cicero, Virgil, etc. even if I was a poor medium. Modern screenwriters, however, rewrite and bastardize great works so that their original brilliance is occluded and erased.
That's exactly why...they see the heights of greatness and resent it when they think they'll never reach such heights...
So they cut it all down.
Evil cannot create, only destroy.
I cant think of anything more hypocritical that complaining that modern screenwriters are ruining tv with the inclusion of more gay/trans characters when the classical greats that you idolise lived in a society where being gay so so normalised. Surely as a classics teacher you know that everyone was having sex with everyone and no one really gave a shit because their ideas of sexuality are not the same as ours today. The scared band of Thebes? Sapho? And their ideas of gender certainly weren’t the same as ours. Take Tiresias, literally a character that is neither male nor female. I don’t even study classics, this is general knowledge I fear.
Gatwa's background is musicals not acting, that explains two things, one why they keep ramming in musical numbers and two, that he has not depth in his acting and so often finds themself "lost "It is a rich irony that the very "victimhood " he clings to, got him the role in the first place.
Here is what happened before they started filming. Gutwa approached RTD and "charmed" him, then convinced that he will shine the most of the show is more gayish, more dancy and with and songs.
And RTD, since he was charmed by Gatwa, gladly agreed.
I do not, I cannot think of any reason what else they would do it. Show me one syfy show that benefited from turning into a musical. This is why when you make these projects, you have one man on it who can smell disaster and say no.
What?! Before Doctor Who he was in Sex Education and The Barbie Movie
@@Shineinpovertyit was one episode. I didn't like it, but some people did.
If you look at who has been cast as the Doctor in modern Who, with the exception of Eccleston and Capaldi they have always cast an actor who is just beginning to get critical acclaim and Gatwa follows that pattern.
@@peterjermey7235 Tennant was hardly unknown either, nor the thick northern bird.
@@peterjermey7235 Neither of which is a recommendation, is it?
It is quite a feat when the cast looks more make-believe than the science fiction series.
🥱😴💤💩☠️
This is what happens when you pander to the 0.3% instead of appealing to the 99.7%
RTD has turned into a bitter, spiteful man. It’s pretty sad.
News flash: this is who RTD always was. He no longer has the controls to check his work. He's an unhinged trainwreck with bitterness and resentment.
@@LucLightWolf121It would at least fit Christopher Eccleston’s opinion about RTD.
Grew up with Tom Baker (Who #4), consider his run to be among the best television ever made. I want to congratulate everyone who had anything to do with desecrating and defaming this once-genius franchise. Hats off mates! You're in Kathleen Kennedy Kompany.
So about those "replacement" viewers, Rusty? Where are they?
One of the things they used to teach about customer service was to pay attention to anyone who writes in, because for each one of them, there are at least a thousand others who feel the same way, but will never say anything.
Ironically, a formerly beloved showrunner returning and driving the beloved English show he rebuilt into the ground feels like it would have been a plot for the 9th or 10th doctor. Are we sure RTD isn’t Raxicoricofallapatorian?
Rottenfallopianmoobaddledunicorn?
Definitely fat enough. (Like I can talk, though....)
The Showrunner Victorious. RTD needs to rewatch The Waters of Mars.
he secretly brought it back to send it into a dark gaping void of which there is no return.
They're rebooting Star Trek? I won't even use my unlimited internet to pirate it. That's how little I care.
Take a look at Babylon5 before it's rebooted and ruined. It is said to be quite good.
B5 is pretty good from a story perspective. Bigger themes snd a proper story arc behind it.
A Reboot of Star Trek?
That's just what's needed
😂😂😂
Dr. Who dead.
Star Wars. dead.
Star Trek. dead
Indeana Jones, dead.
Pirates of the Caribbean, Head on the chopping block.
Hollywood, get your shit together, and respect the fans....
James Bond.... Potentially next
They actually killed him... Literally@@dtuk22
@@dtuk22(Spoiler) he died in the most recent movie I thought.
And that version of Bond was overlaid with PWB's writing I thought? So that IP is dead too I'd say.
Nah, nobody cares
Good luck with that ever happening.
They have to own the "chuds".
It's malicious intent at this point.
Peter Capaldi was the last Dr, eventually when all this crap is over it'll get remade without the ghey stuff and all of this will just become a bad memory.
My kids started watching with Ecclestons doctor and I will stop them at the end of Capaldi's run.
Drinker makes a good point at 8:00. RTD, this isn't "your" show, you're its custodian. It's not your private platform.
There’s just SO MUCH GRASS!
As far as the eye can see.
And trees, flowers, bushes, vines...
Example 64872 of something “being for everyone” actually is for no one at all.
Isn't it not funny how being for a small minority, makes it disgusting for a large majority.
Lowest ratings in 60 year history? even lower than the ratings that resulted in it being cancelled the first time?
Everything we love has been destroyed. It's a cultural genocide!
The British have been culturally suicidal for over 100 years. Where you been?
I wish someone would "adjust" viewership for population. Sorta like adjusting money for inflation. What was the population in the UK in 1960s vs today? (a quick check shows the population grew about 40%). If DH got 2.04 million viewers in 1960, what is the comparable numbers adjusted for the significant increase in population. 2 million viewers in 1960 would probably be similar to 2.8 million today (or comparably, 2.04M today would be about 1.45M in 1960), so makes "the lowest rating in history" even worse.
I've always wondered the same thing about popular music. Blinding Lights is a brilliant song but in terms of reaching a percentage of the population there's no way its the biggest song in history.
I’m not angry with what they have done to Dr Who, I just feel sad. Sixty years and this is how it ends? It’s a tragedy.
Yeah. but take your favorite season final episode and make that how the story ends. They're going to drag this on, until there is nothing left.
After the Jodie Whittaker era, this show needed a break of at least five years. Make audiences miss it again.
Next the title 'cybermen' will be deemed problematic 😂
They kind of already did that with the Torchwood episode "Cyberwoman"
But in that case it was an actual stripperiffic half-cyberman half-woman, had high heels and everything lol
CyberThem.
'Cyberthem' solved it. RTD please send me my writer's fee.
IT'S CYBERPERSON YOU BIGOTS!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The showrunners are mistaken if they think that Dr Who has a lot of haters.
Oh no, that has been replaced by apathy a long time ago and you cannot profit from that.
Having a black supremacist for an actor didn’t work…shocked.
The scammers are trying real hard with the thirst trap profile pictures
It works on the morons though it seems
I'm in the process of becoming celibate. All they're managing to do is making me nauseous.
Breaking records like a boy at a girl's track meet!
Gatwa isn't the Doctor. Its that simple we know it ... unfortunately the RTD & BBC don't.
I understand some people may not like the first two seasons of Star Trek: Enterprise but it still had exploration of space and human condition, there were moral dilemmas, characters with a moral compass, they had writing where they try to have the audience get to know and resonate with the characters, whereas in modern Trek there’s little to none of that.
I always liked Enterprise. Sure it had some bad episodes but that's par for the course with Star Trek tv shows. I hated TNG when it came out.
Fist season of TNG was rough.
@@Kyle-sr6jm I think it gets too much flak. I did not grow up watching Star Trek and have been watching them all more recently, and the first season of TNG was way better than the first season and a half of Voyager, which is where I gave up.
Star Trek Enterprise was fantastic.
Enterprise is like the Star Wars Prequels. Harshly criticised in hindsight.
Even David Tennant I never really accepted as playing the Doctor we got to know from 1963-89. I felt like the character portrayal had been completely retooled to appeal to a new audience, which it did very successfully. A prime time BBC drama needs to attract a sizeable number of female viewers to be viable. RTD and Tennant did that very successfully.
But pre-2005, grownup women fans of Doctor were rare as hen’s teeth. Picking up and carrying on with the show as it was left in 1989 simply wasn’t viable for that reason. So it was never a real possibility that the show that I loved as a child was ever really gonna come back.
They got the female audience by turning it into a soap opera shortly after 2005, specifically with the arrival of Billie Piper. I used to watch the show back in the 1970s, supervised by my 75 year-old grandma, who seemed to enjoy it as well.
If you go to the comment section on Doctor Who trailers, it’s all positive affirmation and THAT is how you know the franchise is dead. Everyone (including myself) who once held onto hope of it coming back has left the conversation altogether. We just don’t care about it anymore. At least in Star Wars comment sections you still see a little bit of fight.
Or they delete the negative comments?
@@reubensandwich9249 I would think that, but there’s not even any meme comments. It’s just unmitigated “I feel so represented” comments.
@@reubensandwich9249 I've been wondering about that. It's insane how ALL the comments are so positive but the viewership is in the toilet.
Then they deleted thousands. Other channels have screen shots of endless negative comments.
Or it is 3rd wave trolling, agreeing with the showrunner, just to see how bad it will get.
Parents don't want their children exposed to degenerate behaviour.
I was born in the era of Tom Baker and I enjoyed the Peter Davison years as well. Personally, I thought those years or Dr. Who were pretty cool.
Tom Baker - my favorite. I am a 70s kid.
I started right at the tail end of the Davidson era so Colin Baker was my main doctor growing up.
Seems to get very little love.
The new stuff had a lot of red flags. It was still pretty OK but there were definitely things moving in the wrong direction.
Being a 72 year old American, my first real exposure to Doctor Who was in 2005 and I immediately became a huge fan. I was disappointed when Christopher Eccleston left but soon fell in love with each new doctor as they came along. I didn’t really appreciate Peter Capaldi until my second viewing of the series and I struggled through Whittaker just to give it a fair chance, but the minute I learned that Donna Noble’s daughter was transgender I shut it off for good. I could no longer tolerate having THE MESSAGE rammed down my throat.
I will probably be in mourning for the rest of my life.
Tom Baker was and always will be Dr Who for me. The rest are just pretenders.
I was born in 2005 and watched the Matt Smith doctor growing up and rewatched the series dozens of time for the nostalgia hit but looking at Doctor Who now makes me feel apathy. I don't hate it anymore because its been bad for so long. Never thought I'd be feeling apathy for a show I loved so much. For this transgression the BBC will never be forgiven
This should be the golden era of tv production especially for science fiction. Modern CGI getting more affordable and providing opportunities you could only dream about 20 years ago. Too bad we live in an era where politics dictate what you can and cannot produce.
I have always viewed Dr Who as that corny, low budget sci-fi show with a big heart and good story telling. Just imagine a modern Dr who with good CGI , as often sci-fi requires, coupled with talented writers, stories , actors and free from political agendas. It could and should have been a smash hit , not only in in the UK but all over the world but alas, it was not meant to be.
Good cgi = no need for good acting and writing
@@farmerned6 , Yes, George Lucas said it best "A special effect is a tool, a means of telling a story. A special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing." I might add , using special effect to sell a political agenda is equally boring.
In their defense, the BBC would like to remind you that the ratings for Boom were SIGNIFICANTLY higher than any ratings for new Doctor Who episodes that were shown between the end of 1989 and the end of 1995, so there's that!
Turn off your TV sets they said... Ok. That's the easiest thing anyone can do.
Its not for you anymore, its for invisible audience
Like a lot of things I loved growing up, they've told me it's not for me anymore, and so I'm not watching it.
Must be bad to be British knowing that regardless of how low the ratings get, you'll still be forced to pay for it with your TV tax.
Nope. Don't have to pay the TV licence. I haven't paid since 2017. You don't have to have a TV licence to own a TV. You just can't watch live broadcast TV or the BBC iPlayer.
And given the drivel pumped out by BBC, ITV, Channel 4 etc there is nothing worth watching.
I get all the entertainment I need from DVDs and Blu-ray. Avoid streaming like the plague. With a physical media collection they can't mess with your favourite movies and shows by editing them for a "modern" audience.
@@tonygreenfield7820 Fuck, you Brits are lucky. No way around the license fee here, unless you legit do not own any devices like a smartphone etc. What you get for it? Horrible movies and shows, and newssites riddled with spelling errors and writing that would get a student an F.
I hate this timeline.
lowest viewing in the show's history... meanwhile the world is the most populated it's been in the show's history
I can absolutely confirm. Timeless Children was the line in the sand that I would never cross. RTD's decision to keep it canon was just the message I needed to go ahead and decide to never look forward to Doctor Who ever again. I haven't thought about Doctor Who fondly nor negatively in years.
I've taken to calling this latest era of "Doctor Who" "Timeless Who". Not timeless as in the generally good meaning of the term, but to refer to the era after Timeless Children, the period where the show became unfixably broken for anyone who cared about the lore and for whom it was important that Hartnell was the 1st Doctor. As much as I disliked Whittaker, I probably would've still considered her Doctor canon had they not done Timeless Children in her tenure. But that event destroyed the show forever
Further evidence that Capaldi is the last great Doctor - unfortunately 😢
Dr Who is dead
Star Trek is dead
Star Wars is dead
Marvel is dead
To quote Holly from Red Dwarf, "They are all dead Dave".
I would have loved to have seen Richard Ayoade as The Doctor. I think he would have made a fantastic doctor. I don't think 95% of people would have had batted an eye at him being cast.
He was my choice too. I had already stopped watching after Peter Capaldi left (before Jodie was announced to replace him) but I'd have been lured back in if they had brought in someone like Richard. He would have been an absolute joy in the role.
The Moon is an egg was when I gave up on Dr Who. That was just pathetic and embarrassing.
Yeah the rot set in under Moffat, I think part of what has killed it is the show has been kept within a tiny group of writers for 20 years, they were out of good ideas a long time ago
That's too bad, though, because the two episodes following To Kill the Moon were genuinely great ones (Mummy on the Orient Express and Flatline)--far, far better episodes than anything in the past several years.
@@JRRLewisFlatline was genius.
If Jar Jar Abrams is involved then the Star Trek reboot is guaranteed to suck. Doctor Who is dead, buried, exhumed, defiled, and reburied.
"Doctor, I let you go." The 12th Doctor, Twice Upon a Time.
13th Doctor. John Hurt was the 9th.
10:15 I clearly remember back in the mid-90s watching Dougal describe The Beast and my brother and I fell off the couch laughing when he said “… and instead of a mouth it’s got four arses.”
It was hilarious on it’s own, but the build up of the whole ridiculous description and Ardal’s over-excited delivery just had us gasping for air we were laughing so hard.
where are the Dalek when you need them?
I think they got cancelled given that disabled villains aren't allowed.
Enterprise is my favorite star trek.
The finale wasn't their fault
Just had an advert for the Doctor Who Finale pop up. oh dear.
All i wanted RTD was to take that timeless child bs out and burn it from Who lore, then i would have come back, but RTD decided to not only double down Chibnalls bs, but he has decided to heap more unwanted bs onto the show.
Just reveal it's The Valeyard who's tormenting The Doctor.
Goddammit. I'm so here to just listen to Gundam doing a completely different show from everyone else.
From Doctor Who to Doctor Why. What a journey!
Enterprise was good, and I'm tired of pretending it was not.
I noticed my enjoyment of the series increased when I muted the opening song. It just wasn't Trek.
@@rickmartin7596 they tried somethign different, I can't blame for that
The should have given the Doctor role to Richard Ayoade as he was born to play the part
RTD's ego isn't the only thing being stroked.
"Enterprise" was getting REALLY good before it got canceled. Even in the earlier seasons, they were careful not to mess things up with anything that came before. They even had their own Mirror Universe episode that was so good. They find the USS Defiant and what I love is how far advanced that ship now looks compared to the NX-01 Enterprise. The final episode was a terrible way to end the series but I don't blame the producers for the rush (I blame them for killing Kip for no reason), I blame Les Moonves.
Well, they tried to slip The Borg in, which was on the nose, but I mostly loved Enterprise.
@@aldunlop4622 I was worried about that episode but I liked how it ended. Nothing that happens in that episode goes againts anything that happens in TNG. I always thought it was strange how Seven's parents in "Voyager" already knew about the Borg but maybe they had access to Top Secret Federation information about the Borg. Information gathered back in Archer's time.
I saw that pianotrocity in some thumbnails and thought it was a remake of 1993 Abracadabra.
But Kirk Spock & McCoy didn't meet each other at the Academy. They met when they were all assigned to the Enterprise. And McCoy didn't even meet Kirk till about the 3ep*
* they were not shown in the order they were filmed.
I don't believe that was established in the show at all. There's not a single episode where they don't act like they are already buddies.
So many of my beloved franchises have been destroyed. I can’t even get the will to watch the seasons of Dr Who I enjoyed
Don't. It's fkd.
I'm watching The Twilight Zone series from 1959 at the moment and its fucking brilliant. I love Rod Serling, he's a fucking genius.
Take a break and let yourself morn the death of Dr Who. After a while, you will remember the good days and have separated the current stuff from it. Then you can rewatch the old seasons and enjoy them. But first you will have to give it some time to process it.
Yes, it would have been easier if they just canceled Dr Who instead of this, but ultimately we don’t have to accept this as Dr Who. We can walk away and only ever watch the stuff we like. Let RTD and his ill wither away alone.
@@davidgantenbein9362 I took a complete break from Star Trek about 2-3 years ago. I couldn't even watch the old stuff; it was just painful. But recently I started watching through the Original Series and I'm enjoying it again. I just wiped Kurtzman Trek from my memory.
@@aldunlop4622 Good to hear. 😁
Director X made that new AZ's house
If you don't like it, don't watch it.
Doctor who fans: bet.
I feel like I'm the only person on the planet who has ALWAYS hated RTD's writing on Doctor Who. As a fan of it since the 80s, I remember excitedly tuning in to the first episode of the renewed series in 2005.... and then when the end credits rolled, saying out loud, "What the f**k was THAT?! That was GARBAGE!".
RTD has ALWAYS been a terrible writer. He episodes were ALWAYS the weakest, and the quality of the show's stories were ALWAYS sub-par until Moffat took over for Matt Smith's first season.
Honestly, the only reason Russel Trash Davies succeeded the first time was because he had FAR more talented people carrying the show for him. I have to give him a little bit of credit though. Midnight was a great script. That one felt like it could have been written by Steven Moffat. Outside of Midnight though, Davies was just taking credit for the work of far better writers than himself.
I think it has been piss poor since it returned.
Count me with you. I LOVED Dr Who with Tom Baker when I was a kid. I've tried to watch the RTD Dr Who over the last 10 years and hated it. Just saw random episodes on tv and thought it was garbage.
My main beef with RTD’s first tenure was that the show always felt more like a populist drama than a science fiction story. During Tennant’s era, the Doctor morphed from a meddling time traveler to demigod-level superhero with a huge ego. And this problem persisted to the Matt Smith era, though admittedly Moffat is not as bad about it, and Capaldi’s tenure was distinctly more grounded.
I just think that RTD no longer cares about entertaining people anymore. He just wants to spread his beliefs and agenda, and I’ll give him this. He’s certainly going about it in a better way than 90% of the activists working in Hollywood, who lacked even basic competence.
@@eirei0789 For me too. The need to be the centre of attention as it were. In a way it shows that he has no imagination.
Just how much will it take to sink this show and finally end the destruction?
Oh god of course this jinx monsoon thing is from Portland. Sheesh.
Drinker, Gundam and HeelvsBabyface.
My absolute favorite CZcams dudes!
Rock on!
Az can be a bit embarrassing honestly.
Why is Star Trek allergic to advancing the timeline past DS9/Voyager to see what happens next? They are invited to ignore Picard and Discovery as needed.
It’s just like the show “Episodes”, where a great British TV show goes to America and gets Americafied and of course it bombs out. It’s just the worst ever Doctor Who I’ve seen and I didn’t mind Jodie Whitaker, i’ve got no issue with the doctor was a woman, she’s s a good actor, she knows how to act, I’ve see her in other shows. They just had bad scrips and dumb storylines. We just want to see the doctor and someone who portrays the doctor really well and is written really well. Don’t care whether it’s male female straight or gay, just give us a really good, well acted doctor and a great companion to go to boot and storyline’s that reflect what Dr Who is all about .
from Doctor Who to Doctor WhatTheHellIsEvenThat !
this show did more than make me want to touch grass, it made me want to smoke it.
It feels great to have lived long enough to see everything that got me through a horrendous childhood sucked dry of life and joy and buried in a grave of shite and spite.
Hollywoke can't feel joy so they must destroy it for others.
Whoa, whoa on the Star Trek dissing.... LOL. No, you're right, I just console myself with reruns and the excellent 'Star Trek Continues' (which is a technical masterpiece of retro reconstructive production). Anyway, Dr, Who. I'm 62 and Baker & Pertwee were my Doctors (and Cushing) and I'm very sad that it's come to this and it's a shame that today's kids won't have the joy we did of being able to look back on some classic sci-fi.