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The Porsche 992 GT3 RS is Porsche's most extreme roadgoing car ever. Able to run a sub-7 minute lap of the Nurburgring with only 518 horsepower, it's a monument to racing technology in a street legal package. But does it work as an actual street car? In order to find out, Matt and Zack drive it in the worst case scenario (for California): a freezing rain.
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The rooster tail out of the rear window is glorious
Right ?!
That stretched limousine joke by Zack had me laughing for minutes. Zack is honestly one of the funniest car reviewers I've ever come across. And he never forces a joke, it always fits well into the context of the situation.
He has a certain humour, dry perhaps and I like it.
It may be a dry humor, but he’s quick. You can see it on the podcasts. He’s just a quick-witted funny, nice guy.
I didn't get it.
Zack is my simile hero.
I have a theory he is doing open mics around LA but not telling anyone. I’m eagerly awaiting his 1 hour special.
"Is this going to match how I like to drive" The best summation, be truthful with yourself before buying!
Im glad someone is being honest about the ride of a GT product. Its just not for the street.
FWIW, I have about 500 street miles (mix of Wisconsin backroads and interstates) behind the wheel of a 992 RS and have been surprised by the comfort - it does not "beat you up" in normal mode. frankly, I think it could be daily driven without much complaint. My better half even went out of her way to mention the comfort during an 80-mile highway drive.
@@haydenlindwall Yeah, it's far better than the normal 992 GT3 imo.
Then you have dumb kids like Fresh Kiicks who always say a 992 GT3RS is my dream car and yet will never take it to the track and only thinks big wing cool
Still can be used on the street. I'd be fine daily driving one 😂
@@haydenlindwallreally depends on what your tolerance level for stiffness is and how bad your local roads are.
Man, this is SO well shot. You guys execute to such an insanely high level, even for a Two Takes format.
That exhaust clip in the beginning for the word was hilarious
"Is this going to match how I like to drive" is the question I had to ask myself when I decided to get my Camaro ZL1 instead of a ZL1 1LE. Ultimately I don't really do track days and the roads where I live suck, so I got a ZL1 and optioned the carbon wing from the 1LE. The spool valve suspension wasn't for me.
Yep. People are always confused when I say my Mustang is overall a nicer car to own than my corvette. Yes I miss the outright performance of my C7 when I'm in the Mustang, but there are dozens of fun B-roads near me that I literally could not drive the corvette down even in full comfort mode because it was just too stiff and hardcore it felt like either me or the car was going to snap from whiplash over those bumps. The Mustang however, is great fun down those roads.
Smoking Tire acknowledges price and the shiny bits then proceeds to deliver a no bullshit review laser focused on the drive. I wish they had time to test more types of cars.
lol...they delivered a review of a sports car in freezing temps. fair play if you don't like the RS, but this was obviously not a good test.
There are no springs at the paddle shifter, they work with strong magnets, thefore the metallic click.
I remember when the GT-R came up in 2009 and set a laptime around 07.29 and shocked everyone, that car did something amazing for a coupe with a trunk thats driveable on the street as a sportscar instead of a track toy and costed less than 100K. IN 2009!
Nisan regularly had Porsche 911 Turbos at the track while developing the gtr.
15 years later they’ve done absolutely nothing and still have the same outdated boat
The flybys sound glorious
40 and wet is nuts for a review
Especially when your starting temp is before riding another 1000ft uphill in the Angeles national forest 😂
1000 ft? That’s nothing on Angeles crest.
@@aluisious they started high up already, my point was Angeles Crest would take them at least another 1000ft up on that drive, so if it was 40 degrees where they were sitting at the start, they were basically guaranteeing themselves of hitting some freezing weather along that hill climb
@@narrowistheway77 I was there that day, it was snowing further up the mountain.
That should have been the title :)
You are absolutely correct, for the street Spyder RS will give you much more excitement than GT3RS , I have a go in both and would take Spyder RS for a street driving, I own 992 Touring with ST flywheel and clutch and it’s made for the road , absolute mental , RS is for very few hardcore drivers who would enjoy it on the street but it would be a crime not to take it to the track!!! Thank you , excellent video!!!!
Superb video! Some great shots and angles too. Always look forward to your videos like this as i think they're the closest thing to what it'd be like for us all to be having a go ourselves. Thanks Matt, Thanks Zach 😎 👍🏻
Great video. Wish it was dry but oh well it is still and epic video. Correction regarding the down force, it grows to the square of the speed, so it is not linear, so at half speed, you won’t get 1/2 of the maximum downforce but rather much smaller than that. You will still get some downforce at half the speed but it is significantly lower than half of the maximum downforce (probably closer to quarter of maximum downforce which is still significant number and you could feel it). Keep up the great work. Mark Qandil
You are correct (I came to say downforce and drag are a factor of the square of speed, and I am happy to see someone else said it first). According to Porsche, the GT3 RS makes 1895 lbs. of downforce at 177 MPH, and over 900 lbs. at 124 MPH. Doing some quick math says the car would make around 605 lbs. of downforce at 100 MPH. Top speed is 184 MPH, so half of that would be 92 MPH, making around 512 lbs. of downforce, which is just a little over a quarter of the maximum as @mqandil stated above. At more legal speeds, say 65 MPH, it is making 256 lbs. of downforce.
Wet, cold and a powerful car on the cliff of the mountain, hell nawww.
WE need more rain rolling shots with heavily aero'd cars so cool with those rooster tails
This is one of the best videos you have put out - really practical analysis.
Well done guys. Another great video.
Awesome Vid! Love you guys
For a hot second, I thought Zack was wearing a AF corsa jacket with those yellow seatbelts
Guys. This one of the best reviews (in-car) yet! Well done. Inside car footage, actually any angle you guys filmed inside or camera on the car was perfect. Roof cam, dash cam, POV is needed more with you guys speaking over. Great work. Really, job well done.
There’s just something about the sound of that motor at 9k RPM! Bliss
Fantastic review. Spot on.
You should actually weigh the cars like Harry's Garage, Mr fancy garage man
650ib has been weighing the bikes he's reviewed/ridden for about a decade now.
Did he recalibrate his scales? Cuz they were way off for a while.
@@billnorblat4047He goes to a weighing station.
@@BiggestSellout right on he used to weigh them in his garage
Nice review. It’s not everyday we get to see one of these running on wet roads. I’d get this car because it is a rare example of high level of engineering and build quality. Sure there are faster cars than this but this car’s characteristic is uniquely Porsche and extremely satisfying. In fact, beyond satisfying. There isn’t a lot car enthusiasts with financial capability to own one of these would turn down an allocation.
I do think this is the best sounding 992 by a mile. This is the most old school supercar in some ways Porsche is building too if you think about it purely as a road car, inconvenient trunk space, uncomfortable ride, monstrous handling/acceleration. It's single mindedness is definitely making it pure despite the fact it's so high tech but yeah, absolutely. Lots of people shouldn't buy the superlative Porsche just because they can afford it but this is absolutely the SuperPorsche of the moment.
Great video. What an amazing engendering phenomenon.
Great video! What road were you guys driving on? It looks like fun!
“I’d like to have a pet; but it’s a rattle snake.”
-sir that more then likely will kill you. And it will hurt the entire time.
“Double the fangs.”
solid reviews
Loved the editing. Wonder if it keeps engagement higher
I recently ran one of these incredible cars in (1500 km’s) over two days on public roads for an owner, felt like it took a week for spinal decompression 😅 such a focused/ twitchy/ firm riding car even below 4K rpm, I don’t think I could live with it long term on public roads (but wouldn’t mind trying…)
Now, this is a proper review. What a noise this thing makes!
Sounds amazing.
For me the GTS is the sweet spot. Enough performance to have fun at a club track day while still being comfortable and livable enough to take over the mountains or up the coast with the wife for a long weekend.
You're probably right but I'm guessing the people who own an RS already have a GTS.
The Affliction shirt of 911’s 😂 Love it.
This color explodes my head!!!🎉
The shot with the wadded up guardrail, chef's kiss.
Thank you for your honesty and keeping it real! It’s a cool car, but I agree that it might not suit everyone, regardless of affordability. I also feel that some reviewers sometimes emphasize style over practical insights, aiming to appeal to specific market moods of the time.
❤ I’m hear to see Matt Farrah drive ❤ this man can drive ❤
Thank you. The last video I watched made me sad about not being able to get this car, but this video made me realize that I'd probably hate driving it on the street if I did.
Correction: at half top speed you get 1/4 max downforce because aerodynamic lift is the square of the velocity. Well okay, realistically it's even less than that due to less from the front splitter and rear diffuser due to higher ride heights at lower speeds, but you get the idea - it's exponential
Downforce is proportional to velocity squared...........you don't get 50% of the down force at 50% of the velocity. Thats the problem with this RS, you really only get a material benefit around certain styles of high speed circuit. The 991.2 GT3 RS is the better all round car (1) its within a bees dick of the 992 GT3 RS round most tracks (literally the difference in tires will be the time difference) (2) it still retains a functional frunk an essential for weekend track day warriors (3) you genuinely can use it as a daily.
The 992 GT3 RS is probably the first RS that doesn't really make sense. If you want a track car, get a genuine track car e.g. GT3 Cup. From a functional perspective the "power train" has been the same with very minor changes and mapping since the 991.2 GT3 , since then they all rev to 9000 RPM, with variations in gearing compensating for tire diameter.
Also, the spring rates are huge on the 992 GT3 RS, even with improved wheel rate (slightly - due to front double wishbone) you can only compensate with valve tuning to a small degree - nice to have for sure, but if you have killer spring rates for glass smooth tracks, you can't dial that out.
In regard to AP, I think his take is wrong unless he's focussed on a niche within a niche and I say that having done 5 seasons of Cup. The great strength of the RS was you could take it to the track on a weekend with all your track gear safely stowed in the frunk and in nets off the roll cage - now you need a second vehicle - which means, buy a track car instead.
The bottom line is, I largely agree with your conclusions its a very small niche product thats lost its raison d'etre, so much so I gave up my allocation, bought a Nero 296 GTB and kept my 991.2 GT3 RS.
The PDK paddles simply use a micro switch to produce that tactile feedback. $300 paintball markers use the same exact sort of mechanism for trigger actuation.
Great video
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Back in 2010 I purchased a 997.2 GT3RS and still have it. It is just not fun on the street. So much so that the thrills of taking it to the track did not offset the misery on the street. The sound is magnificent but gets old when stuck in 6th on the highway driving to the track. Getting in and out of buckets is a pain. Shaving seconds off laps does not equate to the decade of ownership sitting in the garage. GR Corolla and Civic Type R are much more enjoyable. You can get a fleet of them vs one RS
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The obvious choice if you want a super track focused car that can also work as a weekend getaway car for you and your sweetheart is the GT4RS. Period.
The SRS isn’t a great touring car even though it has a tad softer suspension. The SRS is a car for boulevard cruising, top down weekends in the alps and C&C meetings, and it’s crap on track as you can’t exceed 200kph with the roof on and you’ll be banned from all tracks top off, at least here in Europe and it’ll not be pleasant on the autobahn either as no one can sustain speeds above 200kph top down for hours on end.
The GT4RS is 90% of the GT3RS on track and just awesome off the tracks. Anyone complaining about its harsh ride clearly hasn’t tried a 964RS or a 992GT3RS.
Gt4rs has HORRIBLE snap oversteer
You need to watch misha drive it in stock form on the nurburgring. It is a horribly balanced car. Stop repeating crap and riding porsche's dick do some research
Horrible car bro 😂
It's not a 911 though. So it won't hold value as good.
A GT3 Touring Manual would be far nastier in the same conditions. That extreme downforce is only a benefit in the rain.
In the rain I drive this with maximum downforce and it's super confident. I could tell from the wing angle that at least on Zach's drive it was in minimal downforce mode.
How fast do you need to be going to actually get useful downforce?
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@@brownhairydog6472 It's still about 180 lbs ~ 55 mph. The car is noticeably more stable even at these speeds.
That yellow looks so good on a gloomy day
Shot in April? Porsche NA should let you guys have another go in the summer or fall.
Is there a Z06 video on the way?
Problem with the RS over the GT3 is that in the UK where you get the roll cage is that you can't fit helmets in the back through the roll cage so you can't drive you car to a track day.
Just came back from a track day at Spa and it started in the wet. People definitely started off cautiously but these cars didn’t have to hold back as much as most of us.
I love the sound of this engine at 9k rpm. I wonder if they'll try and get to 10k some day and be in the five digit rpm bracket with GMA?
I mean, watch the Cup Cars lap Sebring. They're frequently having one or more wheels lifting clear of the track and skating along in the bumpier sections. They still run them super stiff. Some of this DNA is absolutely present in the RS cars.
Zack: "Man, it is so wet!"
Me: "That's what she said!"
My dog, startled awake by my outburst: "WTF?!"
Zack: "It's still stiff!"
Me: "Twice in one episode! You are on fire, Zack!"
Dog: Walks out of room.
Wow a new review finally! Oh wait they have reviewed this car 4 other times never mind
I know you guys appreciate where you live and the roads available to you, but let me just say: I hope you FREAKIN’ APPRECIATE where you live and the roads available to you!! 😂
WOW, that code brown moment, really shows how stiff the suspension, is.
Full soft and full stiff both will be bouncy? needs some compression and some rebound to handle well?
Holy shit this car is absolutely insane looking
Pretty sure Matt is wearing my jacket in this one.
I think a 911 GTS or Cerrera 4 would be confident inspiring car in the conditions you’re driving in. For street use, the GTS has to be plenty fast for any use case. Either that or get something that’s not adjustable and still raw with a smaller performance envelope like a Lotus Emira.
Cool drive in the rain. Too bad we can't see the road like we could for years for.. no reason.
I guess looking at the car seats will have to suffice..
Given the rain they probably couldn't get many good road shots. We have no idea if the road shots we did get were taken from a single 30 second clip or what. Is what it is man.
Hah I had a 992 gt3 rs in white parked at the gas station on my way home just yesterday well timed ST.
First thing I asked him was how bad does it ride on our local roads.
He just shrugged and said it wasn’t any worse than what his wife does to him. 🤣
Really like you guys, the way you present things, and your podcast no question about that.
You guys overall do a good job !!
However I am a bit perplexed……. I just don’t get a lot of your comments about these types of cars, even down to the Carrera T or Cayman T.
I’d highly doubt most these cars are used as a daily, that person is the minority.
These cars are used for weekends, B roads and track days, and that’s what they are for.
Fast/fun, comfortable, and cheap but you can only have two…… what do you pick ??
So a 992 GT3 RS is a track car, Porsche don’t hide that, a track car you can drive on the road, so of course it’s harsh on the road.
I own a 992 GT3 RS and find it fine here in Australia, and a 2024 Macan GTS too.
Just think it’s worth the thoughts of reviewing a car as it’s intended not how soft and comfortable it is, because soft and comfortable isn’t “fun” on a windy B road or race track.
But please keep up the good work !!
9:55 I want germans to check my tire pressures
My Miata goes "chunk chunk chunk chunk chunk" at full lock pulling out of my garage. Miata = 992 GT3RS
Do some TST branded Vuori and I’m in.
match how you want to drive,
so true, the real reason why I bought a C7 stingray and not a C7 Z06, everyone who knew I was buying the car thought I was crazy for not buying a Z06
Love that you talk about the magnetic paddles. I fitted them to my Touring. And they are incredible.
Regarding the adjustable damping...it doesn't matter how expensive the car or how sophisticated the dampers or damping adjustment is, the simple fact is you are only changing one element of the suspension and the spring rates have not changed. The dampers for the most part will have one optimal setting matching those spring rates and the adjustment will only do so much. If you want a more streetable GT3 RS...buy a GT3.
Yes you have to look at that wing, lack of luggage space and ask yourself what is your usage that is why I went for the Spyder RS.
"now it's my turn to make us not die". hmm that's not my first thought when i get into a sports car.
I kept drawing analogies to downhill skis when I was watching this video
A World Cup 165cm slalom ski is no fun at Beavercreek unless you’re on water injected snow and have tree trunk quads
And you will look like a total tool in the lift line with your speed suit if you aren’t running gates
Somehow, those optics don’t translate to cars because you look like the ultimate bad ass if you drive this to Alice’s
But you’d probably be happier in a Dakar just like you would prefer soul sevens on the hill
I'll take it just for the sound.
Thank you!
The lack of any storage space is a deal breaker for me too as I use it for weekend trips. Would swap my Turbo for it otherwise. Could manage even more hardcore ride as even it the Turbo its pretty compromised.
Fit seats with tilting backs, mothball the carbon seats until you sell the car.
Oh my god I love you guys so glad you survived to tell the world only buy this car for the track or be prepared to die on the road!! At least you will look cool as hell on your way to hell right?? lol!!
Should need a comp license for this type of thing.
How doe sit compare to the GT Blackseries?
You can mess with the shocks all you want and it won't make any difference because it's the springs that are stiff. And they have to be, when a car has proper aero that produces downforce and not just negates lift, you need to have the spring rate to support the extra weight being generated from that or else you're gonna be at the bump stops at high speed which is a big no no. This car is not meant to be a grand tourer, it is designed around aero performance which of course is gonna compromise it on the street, it doesn't compare to the 750S, the turbo S would be a more appropriate comparison.
Exactly the reasons why I hanker after a GT3 as opposed to the RS.
I'd be that guy, give me the fastest one, quick
Wonder how an ST would look like with a big ol Wing
Continental Europe gets cold winters, if you think they've not tested this car in those temps... Well. Hopefully they did with M+S tyres rather than Cup2s, lol
(and I've seen these in real life being driven daily - but that's a Porsche)
18:25 a convertible is never the answer unless youre looking for something to let whistlin diesel destroy.
Starting with a Ford Mustang, if I were to strip the interior, put 500hp in it, install competent suspension, monstrous brakes, and a wide-body kit, people would complain that I've ruined the car. When Porsche does it to a 911, it's epoch making.
Keep the beard! It looks good
Does anyone else agree that Matt looks like Rob Reiner? Only with hat on. Salt and pepper beard. It’s a great look.
Love the video. Thank you Matt and Zack! I wish I had more time to watch the podcasts which are great as well
yea, and that platform just won at le mans!
Agreed you need to be a professional driver to be able to take this to the limit on a track.
Sure. But the limits are so much higher even a novice driver can get a lot of benefit from this car - the level of confidence and the room for error it gives you make it a much safer car.
@@redpriest26 If you're not at/near the limit though are you really having fun?
Half of top speed, half of max downforce... nope that's not how it works Matt.
I hate people who buy these or any exotic and use it as a business transaction for making money with it, but what can ya do
I will own one of these hopefully soon and I can’t wait
I will always say two wheels are better than four however this RS might change my mind once I have it and can put it on the track
Spyder RS:
Generally speaking, I’m not a fan of convertibles. Add weight, complexity, lose rigidity, esp makes little sense on a sports car. Also, I live in TX. Days it’s nice enough out to lower top it’s too damn hot.
What is with the full lock "Chatter" with Porsche?.... No one has been able to explain that to me and just blame the tires..... certainly isn't the tires
Porsche track junkies should be getting year-old Cup cars.
Cup 2’s and cold rain.... that’s a handful
GT3 touring manual! Nothing beats NA engine. The response and sound.
RS for ultra limited track star and ST for the general public enjoyment. This is the way…