Abortion Laws: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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If abortion is murder, is a miscarriage neglected homicide?
Manslaughter
+Alex Cross
No.
If you have an ordinary miscarriage through no fault of your own, and just the pure bad luck of pregnancies gone wrong, that is natural death.
If you have a miscarriage because of drug abuse, that is more analogous to manslaughter. You have to be breaking a law already, and criminally neglecting the safety of human life, for it to be manslaughter.
Similarly, killing someone in a run-of-the-mill car accident is exactly that, an accident. While killing someone because you were drunk driving, that is manslaughter.
+Alex Cross I think the correct answer to your question is...not yet...
+Alex Cross I wonder what those people think about masturbation and wasting that precious sperm. (I'm going to calm down with "Every Sperm is Sacred" from Monty Python now)
+Alex Cross No. Miscarriage is not the woman's fault in majority of cases. Get your fact straight.
That 1/5 Americans think a 13 year old who has been raped should count the resulting child as a "blessing" is beyond disgusting. There are no words for how utterly wrong that is.
And that 13 year old having her unborn baby killed isn't disgusting?
Luke Natsvlishvili A minor medical procedure to terminate a potentially unviable pregnancy so a 13 year old doesn't have her childhood completely stolen and doesn't have to spend the rest of her life looking into a face that is half the face of the person who raped her when she was 13 years old. No, an abortion isn't nearly as disgusting as losing one's childhood and then being forced to spend the rest of ones life taking care of a child they are likely to hate. Of course, you're going to say "well, she can put the baby of up adoption". And then I point out that maybe she can't. Some cultures in America don't believe in that (just like some don't believe in abortions even in the case of child rape). Pretty fucking ridiculous that she might not be able to put up a child born of rape, isn't it? Now you know how the rest of us feel when people like you try to force raped children to give birth to their attackers child.
RandomTXDude210 Yes she can put the child up for adoption. That's probably the best option. And for your information, rape constitutes for less than 1 percent of all abortions.
Luke Natsvlishvili Not all raped children can put their kids up for adoption. Just like not all raped children can get an abortion. And whether it's 1% or 99%, it doesn't matter to the child that got raped and is now pregnant. But that's the problem most people on the right have such trouble with - they can't empathize. And they're all about ensuring no one has access to abortions, for any reason, pretending it's a religious thing, but as soon as that child is born your kind immediately forgets about that child. Then, typically, you guys go on social media to bitch and moan about welfare and food stamps and Medicaid, completely ignorant of the fact that unplanned (and that includes rape) pregnancies are a major part of the cycle of poverty. But, hey, why not ensure those children are born into poverty so you can forget about them until they turn 18 and it's time to celebrate them and send them to war (and then immediately forget about them again when they come home injured and need help).
RandomTXDude210 So now you're gonna use ad hominem attacks? Nice. A few points to clear up. You're wrong when you say not all raped children can put their child up for adoption. Yes, adoption is always an option and there's plenty of straight and gay couples out there that would gladly take care of the child. Yes, not all raped children can get an abortion. Now while I don't oppose abortion for rape victims as much as non-rape victims, it's still the taking of a life. And yes the percentages do matter. 1% of abortions being rape or incest victims is a HUGE difference from 99%. It would make more sense to support abortion if that were the case, but it's not. I do feel great sympathy (not empathy, because it's not possible for me to get pregnant) for a young woman who is raped, but at the same time you have the remaining 99% of people who are unrestrainingly doing the procedure, which I don't like. For your information, I'm not a conservative/republican. I'm called a moderate liberal but for this issue I am on the conservative side and it has nothing to do with religion (I'm not religious) cuz you don't need religion to know abortions are usually wrong. You then go on a rant about the right, ironically saying how they complain on the internet when you're doing that exact thing right now, making childish generalizations. The cycle of poverty is an issue, but having an unplanned baby won't hurt you if you give it up for adoption. Then you talk about a bunch of other made up stuff and yet still fail to justify abortion.
If your response is "I'm pro life, but other people should be able to decide", you are pro-choice. That's what it means. Pro choice means no one else can choose for you, because its your right.
@Chetan Mudeppa then you are pro-legalization
@@dorkmax7073 Just because you believe in a part of an ideology doesn't mean you have a guaranteed spot in that ideology.
Before birth "We must protect the child at all cost"
After birth "Wait you need money? You shouldn't of gotten pregnant"
be careful with advice - here or there, you'll be accountable.
@@dave7825 Roaches are more entitled to life than a fetus. For the majority of pregnancy it doesn't have the capability of thought, and it doesn't become truly sapient until well after birth. If you can kill a squid or a cow, then you can "murder a baby".
Imagine the pitch for this:
John: Yeah hi HBO so for this show I’m going to need a live sloth
HBO: You know what I’m not even surprised at this point
hbo is john's cool aunt who doesnt even ask questions just gets you what you want for christmas
Business Daddy gives him the sugar... because it pays back in full.
@@FelisImpurrator except when he makes fun of business daddy. actually that's probably fine because they're on AT&T, so they never even hear it! BOOM! GOT YA
@@spv420 Oh, even that just makes him more popular...
Sugar daddy knows when to take the hit.
@@FelisImpurrator except they can't know there is a hit, because they couldn't receive the hit on AT&T's shitty network
With the same energy pro-lifers waste trying to save a hundred fetuses,
they could save a thousand walking, talking, conscious children in Africa by giving them clean water.
Even if abortion is wrong, their priorities are all mucked up.
+Brainbuster They don't even have to go that far. They could send a contribution to Flint, MI.
+Brainbuster It is possible for people to care about more than one thing, as I'm sure you do.
+Brainbuster or in in Flint, Mi
+The Timber Wolf
Once you're out of the womb, Wingnuts could care less.....
+Derek Longsword Which is exactly the problem. They're human beings too you entitled piece of shit. Nobody in their right mind gives a damn about you either.
Abortions should only be an option for women in extreme circumstances, like her being pregnant and no longer wanting to be pregnant.
Agreed!
Abortion kills a unborn human life. That isn't opinion, it's scientific fact.
+Khyron Kravshera says who?
+Issoxccddcc Usisxiiccisisi I'm fine with pro-choice, but then like, what is human life? A fetus is a clump of cells. I'm a clump of cells.
+Issoxccddcc Usisxiiccisisi What word don't you understand? Unborn Kills or Human?
A human Fetus at the time of a abortion "Unborn" .
A fetus IS biologically a living organism. Every single biology text on the planet agrees on that point. So a abortion does "Kill" a living fetus.
Human? A human fetus has unique human DNA. Not Chicken, or Cow but human.
So scientifically abortion Kills a Unborn Human Life. If you have a problem with the implications of this realty then your problem is with Scientific reality not me.
What really upsets me is when people say they are "pro life" but in many abortion cases young girls who can't survive pregnancy are raped then forced to give birth and die doing so
Plus, they want to force fetuses to be born that have no chance of survival, meaning that instead of a painless end to an existence they were never aware of they get hours or days of pure pain and suffering before they die.
And many people will die without abortions. My body is wrecked, my friends kidneys failed, my former co-worker had internal bleeding from an ectopic pregnancy. People have cancer and need treatment. Fetuses die in utero and poison the blood.
Instead of trying to reduce unplanned pregnancies and enabling people to carry out via sociatal changes they want to force births that harm and kill. There is nothing pro-life about that.
I've actually heard a story where a doctor who did abortions once upon a time did a few of them for these said pro-life people. They had good money and didn't want a baby, so they got an abortion. They even told the doctor they (the doctor, not the person getting the abortion) were going to Hell for killing a baby during the prep. Called them a monster and a murderer.
They don't care. This is about power and controlling us, not about the idea of promoting life. That would actually mean helping more people have a good one, rather than removing access to safe health care.
Regardless of your views on abortion, I think we can all agree that those rapists do not deserve the mercy of death.
They just want to control our bodies. The pro-life movement was never about “protecting babies”. It was always about controlling women.
I have a folder on my computer called "definitely not porn". I keep my graduate research in there.
I have two folders on my desktop. One labelled "sus" and the other labelled "not sus". One of them is all my university work and screenshots and everything, and the other is porn.
I have a "porn folder" thats just stuff about joining the military
@@Vanilla.coke1234 but which is which
There was a woman who got pregnant with her husband. She wanted to have this baby and already had a toddler at home. However, she was given a 5% of surviving the pregnancy. She scheduled an abortion, but was so upset she went to her church for support. They lectured her, humiliated her, guilt tripped her, and threw her out, saying things like "any good mother would take the risk for her child" and "you murderer, you clearly don't care about your child". On the day she was supposed to get an abortion, she stayed home. Skip ahead a few months. She gives birth. Congratulations pro-life people, you brought a baby into this world. The mother died. 3 hours later, the baby died. It's short life was full of pain and suffering, and it left a young husband and a toddler motherless and wifeless. Then the church held a big funeral talking about how "it was such a tragedy she was taken from us at such a young age" and "if only she could've lived". THEY indirectly killed her. SHE COULD HAVE LIVED. So if you're pro-life, I honestly don't feel strongly about that and that is a perfectly good opinion. HOWEVER if you are pro-life for the baby and ONLY the baby and you don't care about the mother or the family FUCK YOU.
no one is pro life for only the baby. You're completely setting up a straw man arguement. The pro-life standpoint for any rational pro-lifer always comes with exceptions including life of the mother and rape.
Tom Howard crap
That is why any ration person is actually pro choice.
There is nothing pro-life in being anti-choice.
yet another reason i hate religion...
I am literally just sitting here baffled that a 13 year old got turned away.... Even if you are pro life there's no way in hell you can see that as anything but nauseating and wrong
+Stonewall Sweet -- That's only for sane people. You can't assume these loons care or want to care. They don't want to care, they want to punish people with impunity.
+Stonewall Sweet she got turned away because there wasnt an anesthetist working to put to the sleep. Thats why the woman said its hard to find people who will work there.
+david huynh I don't care why she got turned away, a 13 year old was raped, impregnated, and turned away. That's what happened. I mean I would move heaven and earth to find one. Just can't imagine having to look that girl in the face and saying, I'm sorry there's nothing I can do
Yes, it's terrible. The US baffles me sometimes
Oh, there's tons of 'em right here in the comments. They're about as viciously toxic as you can imagine.
"and at that point, we have sentenced a child to motherhood."
That hits hard.
we need another episode on abortion laws, John. Sadly.
We…. Really… fucken do. Im sure it’s on their radar now
@@MegaCavalier23- The new episode dropped this morning, Supreme Court poised to completely overturn Roe v Wade. czcams.com/video/MalsOLSFvX0/video.html
Ask and you shall recieve!
Posted May 8, 2022.
Yeah. Looking back, what we're up against now was unthinkable. And yet here we are.
I don't know what America would do without Republicans. Probably just make rapid progress and increase the well-being and happiness of the general public.
Probably
+Mason Marlette Both sides fuck You in the eyesock for different reasons.
+Anne Onymous -- Well, thanks for proving ticallionstall's point.
+ticallionstall If leftwing polices were so great and popular you would have a mono-party majority and the DNC will be in every county, state, and own both the house and senate as well as the whitehouse and all other parties will have only a few seats and not enough to even filibuster bill. Basically the US would have the UK parliament. and how is that going under David Cameron?
+Anne Onymous time to unsub
Abortion should be legal
I don't see why some ppl make a big deal out of it.
+Laurinda Pierre Murder isn't legal.
+Anne Onymous It's not a baby, it's a fetus. Until it's viable outside the womb, it's basically a parasite.
Oh please, please for the love of the God that I'm most certain you believe in, read some actual facts. Do not denounce abortion as murder. It is a fetus, not a fully formed human with feelings, it is a fucking FETUS.
+Anne Onymous its a bloody fetus. Its more like a gnat than a human you fucking moron. Use your brain not your feelings..
+Laurinda Pierre Abortion should be legal AND free
History has shown that making abortion illegal doesn’t reduce abortions it just makes them more dangerous. If people were really motivated to reduce abortions then they would promote comprehensive, straightforward sex education and make access to contraceptives easier. Who is planning on caring for all these extra children, who is going to help all the families who can’t cope with the additional financial burden.
@Uledin Reign There are approximately 440,000 kids in foster care right now, waiting to be adopted. There's no guarantee your baby will be adopted quickly, or by a good family.
@@Adrian-ri8my So how many foster children you got? Adopted children? Siblings? Anything?
@@Adrian-ri8my When you’re old enough to adopt let’s have this conversation again. As a student I can’t be pregnant cause I have to focus on studying and also having endometriosis it can be dangerous for me to be pregnant. So if abortion is illegal I’m still not having the fetus, because it is still a fetus until it’s born. For abortion to be safe they need to be legal, end of discussion.
@@ragnheiur5608 there is no such thing as a safe abortion. Abortion ends with the murder of an innocent child. And what does my age have to do with anything? Evil things are still evil regardless of how old I am.
Take for example the Prohibition. Banning alcohol instead caused more people to die of alcohol poisoning because they just made moonshine with higher alcohol percentages.
Shout-out to the woman that said "OH MY GOD" so loud, I now feel a little bit of hope.
The appropriate reaction there
Where was that at?
Wtf
🤔These wicked murder supporters/murderers have the SAME wicked spirit in them as Adolf Hitler did!!!! They have NO CONSCIENCE to perceive how WRONG IT IS TO KILL THE INNOCENT, DEFENSELESS Human Beings in the development center called the womb!! Who CANNOT speak for or defend themselves!!!!
The ONLY reason why you,I or ANYONE can talk about ANY of this,IS BECAUSE WE WERE NOT KILLED IN THE WOMBS OF OUR MOTHERS!!!! Thank you JESUS CHRIST!!!!
@@godseesus5604 That's really offensive to Holocaust victims to compare Hitler to pro-choice people.
I'm a 14 year old girl, and the thought of a girl even younger than me being forced to have a child under ANY circumstance is absolutely sickening to me. girls like myself can't be mothers - and that girl cant go on some of the slides in a theme park! we are so young. A 13 year old girl who was raped and impregnated being refused an abortion sounds like something that could only happen in a third world country, but apparently it's not. That makes me want to cry.
+Tamar Kfir There was a 9-year old forced into birth and motherhood. The youngest mother ever was documented to be 5 years old(although she was more likely to be 7).
Anti-choicer don't care about 'saving lifes', they only care about enforcing gender roles from the 50s and punishing people for having sex(even those who were raped, since many republicans have made it clear they think the victim's at fault). What these poor young souls have to go through has been rightfully recognized as torture, it violates one of our most important human rights, and this antis are all for it. They are not the good ones in this.
(Child marriage is a problem in the US as well, by the way, at age 14 you can already by married off by your parents in some states, as around 170 kids ranging from 13 to 15 were in New Jersey in the last 20 years)
+ValerieRaya those people who make it their purpose of living to punish people for sex - they don't get it. i mean life. life is about making the most of your time as a human. i just don't understand how someone could always look at a little girl who was raped and be like "yep. that girl is going to hell". how can some people have no compation? i can't imagine being so... i don't even know
+Tamar Kfir It has something of her suffering twice.
First the attack, and now the resulting pregnancy and motherhood.
Not to mention that, no matter how hard the girl and her family try, the baby will probably not have a perfect life either.
***** Nobody has a perfect life. And should the child receive the death penalty for the crimes of his or her father? And abortion does not unrape a woman. Abortion adds more violence to that violent act.
Riley Steward i respect your point of view, but i think that growing up with a mother who doesn't want you to be alive is worse then that child never being born. bc never being born is not like being killed - you simply never existed. also, this girl is 14! no kid wants to have a 14 year old mom.
One funny thing is that conservatives argue that making guns illegal will not stop murders but when it comes to abortion, making it illegal will solve every damn problem.
+Kevin De Souza You sir enjoy an imaginary beer on me.
You win the internets for the day
+Kevin De Souza That's just it, they don't care about what problems there are to solve, they ignore the fact that there would more dangerous street abortions going on if safe ones were illegal. they literally do not care, all that matters is their beliefs. That is the only justification they have. And that alone is wrong, it's right there in our freaking constitution that the government can't force religious beliefs upon the people. But nothing seems to stop them from getting away with it.
+Whofan06 how is it a religious problem that some would like millions of fetuses to not be tossed on the garbage annually?
Folmar 2 The belief that life begins at conception and must be preserved from that point at the expense of all else is one most commonly held amongst religious groups and is not shared by many others and is even disputed by the scientific community. The government can't force us to accommodate beliefs we do not have for ourselves--that is why it's pro-CHOICE not pro-abortion. Nobody likes abortion, but women should have the right to choose based on their circumstances.
For those who were wondering: Whole Women’s Health won the case in Supreme court which helped pave the road for similar laws being passed in other states. Those states can’t set ridiculous requirements for abortion clinics anymore.
A year later from this comment Supreme court said "haha Roe v Wade go byebye, tough titties women"
well that comment hasn't aged well. alito is smirking at you right now.
Boy do I have news for u….
I hate to break it to you over here in June 2022 but….
I hate it here :,)
It doesnt matter how anyone feels about abortion, it is going to happen. It is as old as civilization. Places that restrict access to abortions, only stop safe abortions. They do not actually drive down abortion rates, they drive people to extremes if they dont want to be pregnant. In fact, countries witht he lowest abortion rates have the most liberal abortion laws and the best access! Nobody thinks ' I want an abortion when I grow up ". It is not the easy option, it is uncomfortable and emotional. Restricting access to abortion only drives up maternal mortality rates and actually decreases the quality of life for existing children.
Indeed. Unfortunately, pro-lifers evidently care more about satisfying their own twisted sense of morality then actually helping people.
@Valpurgis Tachyon Thank you for further proving my point.
@Valpurgis Tachyon If the pregnant person wants to give birth, that is entirely their choice and they should be supported in it. Forced abortion is as bad as forced birth. it is all about reproductive justice and bodily autonomy. You seem so concerned for a fetus which is not yet even a baby, but do you really think they would have a good life in many of these situations?
@Valpurgis Tachyon FYI, birth is far older than civilization.
@Valpurgis Tachyon Actually, places that decrease access to abortion have higher rates of death from pregnancy complications. Safe abortion is far safer than childbirth.
So uh, if I were to get pregnant and not be able to get an abortion, I assume I can just mail the child to my local senator...? That's how it works, right.
Yes.
+hakurou46 Sure, just make sure the box has holes in it.
Just don't use UPS ground.
+hakurou46 Politicians make great foster parents. Everyone knows that.
+hakurou46 they really only want you to birth them so they can grow up and either mindlessly work the machines, buy crap for the economy and or fight and die in wars anyways, so might as well.
When people say, "I'm ProLife, but I think you should be able to get an abortion if you want one." My dude, that's prochoice. Prochoice is not proabortion, it's proCHOICE.
But there's a difference between being pro-life PERSONALLY and pro-choice in practice. Those people who can't see themselves or their partner having an abortion can be pro-life, yet still not impede on that choice for others... it's simply "not an option" for them.
No there is no difference. A person who would want to make the choice for themselves and would want others to be able to do the same is pro-choice. There is no such thing as 'personally anti-choice'.
You're pro-abortion.
For example, if I personally don't like slavery but I have no problem with people having slaves, then I am pro-slavery in the sense that I cannot condemn it.
Bellevie Body autonomy is the key. You can't own people because they have the right to their own body. Pro choice is saying YOU cant choose if someone else gets an aborion or not because ots THEIR body. Its like I cant make you donate blood or a kidney or any other body part even of its going to save another life.
Being pro choice is like letting people choose if they want to donate blood, pro life is forcing them to.
That is a better analogy.
Helen well part of the problem is that people tend to see pro-choice as pro-abortion. Like they believe that all babies should live, but they wouldn't force that opinion down people's throats and make that into laws. Really pro-life should just be branded as pro-forced life cuz that's really what it is.
That moment when you look at the date and realise this video was made 4 years ago and instead of things getting better stuff got worse
@@alexandermaier8332 except his argument in the first minute is completely wrong. She was talking about reproductive rights not murdering her own baby. It was about people having a choice in general not her having the choice to abort the baby she'll have in minute. And if you're talking about the 'baby': he said so himself that this was an abortion AFTER the cut-off mark. Which means it was part of the very limited circumstances like a mother's life at risk, or it was an illegal abortion.
Also if you're going to use that you should know that I am pro choice not pro abortion. Abortions are in the morally grey area to me, HOWEVER I believe that my opinions on the matter should not take away anothers choice.
@@lindevoskamp4948 But what qualifies as a baby and what qualifies as a fetus? Is it a heartbeat or lungs or brain development?
@@alexandermaier8332
As Rachel said *no uterus, no opinion*
Well, on the bright side I found a topic to bring up to my state legislators, bad news is it's probably not relevant enough to get reliable momentum. That aside, super important and makes me sad that my state has such archaic practices despite our perceived progressiveness. Minnesotan constituent out.
@@alexandermaier8332 Babies do one thing that, without exception, all humans do, their whole life long. In fact, they die within minutes if they ever stop doing it, except under EXTREMELY special medical circumstances.
What is that thing, I hear you predictably ask?
They BREATHE AIR.
--Dave, not breathing air yet -> not a baby yet, and not a human being yet, still a fetus. this is not rocket science, people
I love that lady in the background at 9:58 “oh my god” is right. Oh my god indeed.
So the United States is still debating abortion. That begs a certain question: How is this still a thing?
We've already largely had this debate in the rest of the developed world. We debated it. We legalized it, with some simple regulations. Then we moved on. So how is it the United States is stuck in the 1960s? How is the abortion debate is still a thing in the US?
This is only a problem in a few southern, bible belt states.
Herb Toker Yea, well, the thing is, the maps John Oliver provided, show that even northern states are passing restrictive abortion laws. So it's occurring in not just the South.
+Michael Gibb They are negligible.
Herb Toker Does negligible include North Dakota, South Dakota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Idaho, and Arizona? None of them are Southern states.
What’s with Europeans always feeling the need to comment on John Oliver/ Daily Show videos that they’re so much better off in Europe; Spain and Ireland made it illegal completely. It's not illegal in America, and states just get too much power to override federal laws here.
And on the other side of the pond, here in Sweden abortion has been legal and accessible since the 70s. Just reminding you all. The 70s. No special abortion clinics used either, it can be done in pretty much any health facility.
Unfunny coincidence: that 13-year old rape victim we heard about in the video? A sister of a friend I had in high school was in the exact same situation when she was 13 (ish, this was over a decade ago so memory's hazy). Except you know what? Unlike the poor American girl in the video this Swedish girl over a decade ago could go to her nearest health clinic, get a safe abortion ASAP and continue her education without having to take a birthing break. None of her classmates even had to know that she'd been assaulted unless she trusted them with that information.
WHY MUST SWEDEN BE THE BEST AT EVERYTHING?!?!? Agh! Is there ANYTHING you guys are bad at?
sean Hicks Confrontations and public speeches, if national stereotypes are to be believed. Also our education system is kind of getting worse and worse and our nurses aren't paid enough so everyone has to try real hard not to get sick during the summer when the few nurses we have want to go on vacation.
+Helena Nilsson Don't forget the Immigration 4 billion € a year is definitely not a good thing.
Ren Carusso Unfortunately that's a global politics issue and not something "we're bad at". Helping refugees fleeing for their lives is not something we're going to apologise for and implying we should is a pretty shitty thing to do.
1969 in Australia. It usually takes Europe a while to catch up.
Sometimes I forget how different states are. State laws made It virtually impossible for that 13-year-old girl to get an abortion. Meanwhile if that were to happen in New York, she would receive adequate and immediate care from a nearby clinic. It's appalling how much autonomy states can have and the damage that can be done when there are enough representatives with bad intentions in state legislature.
Well New York is a progressive state
8:57 - this feels genuinely refreshing and safe to me, to see a man who is genuinely well read, questions information, questions authority and cares about people and genuinely about their health, on an evidence based bases instead of throwing things at a wall and seeing what sticks. Oh gosh, thank you for a person like this.
Wait you have wait 3 days for an abortion, but waiting 3 days for a gun is a violation of rights?!
JD1010101110 That's American. Help.
Seriously, send help we need it.
FUCKING TRUTH
JD1010101110 Thats merica for you!
Does someone not know the definition of murder? How cute!
Why is it that the people who are against abortion also happen to be against contraceptives, better sex education, and stronger anti-sexual assault and rape laws, which would prevent a lot of unwanted pregnancies in the first place? They're completely contradictory stances. They also tend to be against offering better health care to pregnant women and maternity leave so that they'd have a chance to take care of their babies.
+KingOfMadCows It seems to me that those people believe that if you don't talk about something, it will cease to exist.
+KingOfMadCows religion and hate
+eL daYa Oh my god, this comment section are all prepubescent teens who know nothing about politics, don't group republicans with pro lifers. Oh and madcows, good point!
+KingOfMadCows Not to mention repealing welfare for expecting/single mothers that would improve at least two lives instead of just one in the case of banning abortions.
+KingOfMadCows Funny thing is: I would like all those things to happen. I would contraceptives to be universally available for both men and women. I would like obligatory sex education in schools. Add obligatory ethics class to that (Philosophical, mostly. And logical thinking instead of religious idiocy). I'm all for stronger laws in regards to rape and sexual assaults, in every combination (Male-Female, Female-Male, Male-Male, Female-Female. Gotta protect LGBTs and Males as well). Better health care to pregnat women? Hell yeah. Maternity leaves? For fathers and mothers alike.
I'm even an unbeliever who despises Catholic church (institution, not the community)
And after all that, I'm stll against universal and free acces to abortion, because of moral problems associated with it.
Ha.
7 years ago I was a catholic republican and had just returned from my trip to the march for life in DC. This video changed the trajectory of my life in remarkable ways. Abortion was hammered into me as a child as the single most important issue of our modern life. In college I began to notice holes in the logic, but maintained faithful to my argument and "purpose". I'm not sure how I came across this video, but I did. I'll never forget where I was and how I felt watching it. The lightbulb went off. I said aloud "what am i doing?" and from then-on I kept asking the same question for all of my held beliefs until I am where I am today. I'm queer, I'm trans and I have done a complete 180 in my political beliefs. I am so grateful for this video for being the first confrontation of my bigoted ideas that caused an avalanche of growth and introspection. It sounds corny as all hell but its 100% the truth. Thank. you John Oliver
Picked a piece of propaganda to change your views that's kind of sad.
One of those other identities that you have contradict having a pro-life position.
Abortion is the greatest genocide of our time we need to fight against it.
“I can’t choose for other people” YES. THERE IT IS.
@Pretty little thing subliminals That guy clearly doesn't know what pro-life means. He concludes with a support for a woman's right to choose, yet starts by calling himself pro-life. You can't have it both ways.
@@carultch I think it's more "I don't like abortions, but I acknowledge that it's the woman's right to choose"
Personally, I think it is more cruel to allow a child to be born and raised in a household that doesn't want them than to abort it. If these pro-life people care so much about human lives, why do they not take this into account?
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+krumpll It's not. Ask a person who was raised in an bad environment if they want to die; they will 99% time say no.
darkfight light having no affection as a child can make a person cruel or nasty, and it can make their life hell, because they can't see how to love themself if their parents don't. Additionally, many of the people who want an abortion couldn't afford a child, and they would starve or be placed in an orphanage.
Eleanor Tull
i know that that their childhood would be terrible but it still doen't change their future. When they become an adult they can improve their life; a whole new world is open to them. As i said before ask anyone who had a terrible childhood if they want to die; just about always they will say no. Just because their childhood is bad dosn't mean they should have never been born; there is always hope and it is up to them to craft their own future.
darkfight light but it's an awful childhood for the kid and the mum and/or dad would be weighed down by a child they don't want.
It's unbelievable how much effort they put on closing down women's clinics and how little they do for gun control.
Valpurgis Tachyon lol yeah and gun control is one of the best ways to prevent that. You don’t need a damn gun to defend yourself. There’s a reason people are against countries having nukes. Nobody can be trusted enough with them to outweigh the risks
Oof
If planned parenthood offered a free handgun with every abortion, would that help?
Jake X yeah because criminals are known to follow gun laws
Remember the time aid was held from ukraine for buying guns?
Returning to this video because of the leaked draft from the Supreme Court. Dark days we are living in people. Keep fighting and stay strong everyone!
True that, hopefully roe gets overturned and we can leave these dark days behind
And it happened, & now in multiple states abortion is illegal...
8:34-9:16 I wanna meet that doctor and shake his hand cause he’s a literal saint
same. Honestly, if I ever move to a city with an abortion clinic, I'd go there just to thank the doctor for all his/her work. I'd say that abortion doctors are probably the most under-appreciated jobs
Alex B but they kill babies.
Why he kill babies.
@@domersftw1503 and save actual living people.
Alex B babys are living
John, please do a report on how s**t CZcams is now.
YES
+Mark Lewis Insignificant opinion, cuz its retarded and wrong
+ZackForTheWin nobody really cares about it other than people who spend a lot of time on youtube
+ZackForTheWin #WTFU
+Paul Kim If you watch CZcams, you are affected. In the long run, content creators are just not going to be bothered, and you won't have anything to watch. This copyright issue affects not only everyone who uses CZcams, it primarily affects the creators of course, which is absolutely not limited to music. Thats is just plain incorrect. I can give you a few examples such as reviewers, gamers, and animators. And those are HUGE areas. Those three categories alone cover probably over a million creators.
A bigger issue are big companies exploiting "loopholes in *our* laws"? Hi, I would just like to ask, are you aware that the US is not the only country in the world? CZcams is worldwide, and this issue probably affects more people in a harder way. Oh you have to pay a little more tax? God what a disaster. I mean some dude might go homeless at any time because his channel and main income was shut down instantly without notice, but god damn we should focus on the problems that matter to YOU huh?
Your entire argument is flawed. You have absolutely nothing of value in it at all. It's just incorrect, and misinformed.
I am a guy - I shouldn't have a saying about what women wants to do with their bodies - I am a straight guy so I shouldn't have a saying if 2 gays wish to marry. I am an atheist guy so I shouldn't have a saying about what goes on in churches. Why do we want to regulate something that really is none of our business and doesn't affect us at all?
+Torben Rudgaard but if you are the father and want the baby but the woman doesn't shouldn't you have a say?
+mean teen no
+mean teen because who's ovaries are being used?
+mean teen who is the one that is most likely to stay and take care of the child?
+mean teen
I think it's a conversation to be had depending, but as the father, all you've done is deposited sperm. There. You're done. You won't have to watch your body morph, go through sometimes extreme bouts of stress, or feel any kind of pain. So ultimately, I agree with Torben. The men are not the pregnant ones. Therefore, why should they get the right to decide the fate of something that they are not expericencing?
whenever i lose faith in humanity, i dive into the comments of a john oliver video and all of a sudden i feel a little bit of hope
we're doing alright yall. even in this little microcosm of a youtube video comment section, we're doing alright
I might try that in the future
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Yes the best way to get out of uncertainty is to see others who are also filled with complete and utter cognitive dissidence great job thinking for yourself.
No. Fuck no
hey, back at you, random stranger! hope you're doing good in these hard times, even though it's almost been a year.
Oh 2022 came in, saw this video, and said “Hold my beer”
People need to separate "Should you get an abortion" and "Should you be able to get an abortion"
+TheEvilVargon I agree! Personally, I don't really think people should get an abortion (although I understand why they would, and I can't say that I wouldn't if I was in their situation), but I definitely believe people should be able to get an abortion.
The correct answer is that it is nobody's business but your own if you should.
Very underrated comment.
My body my rules. If i want an abortion or not doesn't concern anyone else. A woman should ALWAYS be able to choose what happens to her body. We're living in modern times not the middle ages.
+SomehowCreative Up to a certain point. Once you get past the second trimester you are ending the life of a creature which can feel pain... it is essentially murder since it has perception.
JayzOned C
"ending the life of a creature which can feel pain" NEVER kept people from eating meat :/ just saying...and it STILL is my decision, even if other's might not share this opinion (and omg i just wrote that on YT right? Haters incomiiing~). It is still happening in my body. Although i'm okay with that compromise with the second trimester. It's enough time to think about it. BUT a woman should have the OPTION to think about it and shouldn't have to go through some loopholes (AND high costs) to get an abortion if she decides to have one :(
But there are also different circumstances. For example if the woman herself is in a bad mental condition OR if there's the chance of the child being physically handicapped. Not everyone is capable to go through that. Why would you still force a woman to bear a child?
I know this is a really touchy subject but when it comes to my body i don't want anybody to have a saying in this but myself. And i really hope we can keep this polite.
If someone is against it i won't judge you, you can do with YOUR body what you want but don't decide for other people.
+JayzOned C One condition poor and disenfranchised are forced to contend with. www.google.com/search?q=fetal+cystic+hygroma+births&biw=1360&bih=667&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwje_tjmgIzLAhXBPD4KHYyFBukQ_AUIBigB
+Thomas Aantjes ... so rape is just... accepting it?
Stupidity is murder.
+Nick Hamill and if you can't afford birth control, or in the case of young girls, their parents will not pay for it or allow it? Yes there is abstinence, but what about cases of sexual assault? I suppose those girls are just "dumb assess" also, for being raped in the first place and should forgo any right to their own bodily well being. She should immediately put the rights and wellbeing of a zygote above her own regardless of the physical, social, and financial consequences it may have for her. That is what you are saying isn't it? A living breathing human being and legal person should have less rights and freedoms based on what is growing within their own body... Land of the free..
when people say "i'm pro life but i don't want to make the choice for everyone" that's literally pro choice. it's not pro abortion lmao, i'm pro choice but i don't love abortions
you may not love abortions but if you are pro-choice you are supporting the killing of vulnerable human beings for convenience. That's a horrible thing to support.
@@mathildeyoung1823 Abortion is healthcare. By all means, don't ever get one yourself, but please don't be so deluded as to think that you get a say in what other people do with their bodies.
@@socialmoon I'm not the one who is deluded. Whose body is killed in the abortion? The womans? or a new human being? hmmmmm i.e. NOT the woman's body. Most abortions have nothing to do with health issues. Most abortions are done for reasons of convenience like money or it simply not being the right time for a child - horrible excuses to kill a human being that has done nothing wrong.
@@mathildeyoung1823 couldn’t agree more.
@@mathildeyoung1823 A foetus is not a baby. No-one aborts babies, only foetuses.
No-one should be forced to continue a pregnancy that they don't want. You really are deluded to think otherwise, & it's absolutely barbaric that you think people should forcibly continue a pregnancy when they don't want to.
At the end of the day, the foetus doesn't feel anything. It's not sentient (humans don't develop sentience until they're about 18 months old), & it can't survive outside the womb. With that in mind, the carrier's wants/needs will always supercede those of something that isn't really alive yet.
Btw, how many children have you fostered or adopted? Do you support free universal healthcare? What about better social welfare for single parents & families living below the poverty line? In my experience, being pro-life is all about removing choices & trapping people in awful situations, rather than actually trying to improve anything.
There literally isn't an in between on abortion: By saying that you're pro life but also acknowledging that you can't pick or decide for other people, you are being pro choice. Pro choice doesn't mean you think everyone has to have an abortion, it means you support their ability to do so if they want to
@Matthew N Lolnope, you're just incapable of distinguishing between mindless cell clumps and actual people.
when abortions werent legal, pregnancies were still aborted. do a little reading about clothing hangers and other at home methods.
+Anne Belleigh *shiver*
exactly! whatever you believe, illegalizing abortions in fact does virtually nothing to prevent abortions :/ just makes it a thousand times more dangerous
+Anne Belleigh already dodged the one that had my name on it.
+Anne Belleigh Yep, and the pregnant woman lay dead. :(
+Anne Belleigh Precisely. It just makes people take less safe options. What conservative legislators really say is that they don't want to pay for it, well guess what-I don't want to pay tax for drone strikes on Syria.
Discuss the CZcams copyright system abuse by major companies and how the system is fundamentally broken
Yes, word needs to be spread
While it may be an issue, Oliver has more important and pressing issues to tackle than YT injustice.
+Rogers Klein PLS!
+Rogers Klein And bring on IHE lmao
+NeilConfirmed Alex face reveal lmao
Anyone now watching now-sadly after June 24, 2022?
Conservatives: "Every life has worth. Say no to abortions. Now let's drone strike civilians in some country across the world."
Obama and Biden have done drone strikes as well... Recent headline from Time magazine: "'A Tragic Mistake.' Botched Drone Strike in Afghanistan Raises Concerns Over Biden's Counterterrorism Strategy"
Biden is currently bombing Yemen...
Well this aged well…unlike that fetus you liberals killed
Every single body in the world seems to be hypothetical to the GOP. Women, and also fetuses, immigrants, people all over the world, so many people they don't even know...doesn't matter to the GOP. They like to argue for things they don't even actually care about, because it gains them money and power. Full stop.
As George Carlin once said "when they say they're all about right to life, what they actually mean is THEIR right to choose who lives and who dies"
It would be nice if all the people claiming that life begins at conception wouldn't also act like it ends at childbirth.
+modelmajorpita fucking preach it
+Amy Castellucci so the 1.4 billion abortions since 1980 mean little even if abortion is wrong? If a child is truly a person from conception then that accounts for 1.4 billion deaths... If thats not what you beleve thats ok but dont pretend that the ration of deaths by starvation to abortions is 10 to 1 cuz about 50 abortions have occurred for every person who has died of starvation...
+jonah vanleeuwen If you are right, then without abortion this planet would be even a lot more overpopulated than it is.
I looked into the claims of increased breast cancer risk at one point. The reason why is that during pregnancy your estrogen levels go up significantly, and one of the key growth inducers for breast cancer is… estrogen. So, it’s not the _abortion_ that causes your risk to rise, it’s the time having the baby _at all._ Which if you’ve done your maths, that tells you that _keeping_ your baby will increase your risks of breast cancer over abortion. :/
More people need to see this.
You actually think you made a really good point 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Okay, if you read about beast cancer you will going to find “the woman that have children it’s gonna have low probability too have cancer”
puellanivis you’re right about estrogen, but the woman’s body it’s prepare for that, so, the next months after being pregnant your body it’s going to regulate that. That’s why so many women have an irregular period after birth.
puellanivis if you have an abortion, your body it’s literally confused so you’re gonna produce that hormone that YOU DON’T need because there’s no a child in there no more
I'd like to see an updated video on the new laws about ectopic pregnancy being made illegal, heartbeat laws, and other overall abortion and pregnancy laws that were put into place in the last few years. That'll be an interesting watch.
This week I hope he goes full ham on this again.
same here
these bans aren't at all about saving unborn children but, instead rather about punishing women for sexual activity
+veronica Alleyne As George Carlin put it: "Pro-Life is Anti-Woman"
GLAD SOMEONE SAID IT
+Kyle Stubbs Abortion rights are pro-life: www.huffingtonpost.com/leonard-peikoff/abortion-rights-are-pro-life_b_2526853.html
+Sword of Apollo I never said they weren't so, what's your argument?
They are not banning women's sexual activity. They are banning them from having their unborn children ripped apart.
Don't you just love when other people know better than you what's good for you?
+Argumemnon
My people refuse that truth.
+Argumemnon Yea, screw the liberals.
yeah, it sucks that people think they know that a child would be better off dead than living... OH! I'm sorry, was this a pro-choice comment? couldn't tell when the same argument applied to your opposition :)
+Novagthd What kind of satisfaction does it give you to support a law that results in unwanted children, unhappy families, women who ultimately have no say about their bodies, 13!! year old girls (rape or incest victims) having to care for another human (constant reminder) and ultimately feeding the cycle of poverty. And please don't come with 'adoption is the answer', I was adopted and there not nearly enough families willing to adopt and if, they usually do it from 3rd world countries, with limited alternatives or non-existant.. not a supposedly 1st world industrialized country like the US who have the means and the power just not the will to listen and act..
+Novagthd Why would u want a rape victim to forcefully have her rapist's baby? Dont forget... when the baby will grow up he/she will look like their father ie. the rapist. You want the girl to re-live the horrors of her rape? Imagine what mental torture she would go through when not being able to love her own child because it resembles her rapist?
It’s painful watching this now.
Some good news: the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Whole Women’s Health, saying both the admitting privileges requirement and the surgical center/wall requirement both put an undue burden on women.
USA has thousands of kids neglected, abused and murdered every year. Early Termination IS NOT murder! Stopping the irresponsible baby breeding and cycles of abuse is the most civilized decision ! Kids should not be used as social and religious Pawns! Stop The Cycles !
Unfortunately the whole women's health clinic that started that Supreme Court case still closed. It's really devastating after what they've done to help women
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They can always reopen!
We have a pro-choice president now, the times are changing!
And then the Supreme Court decides to overturn roe v wade a year after.
John Oliver the most trusted TV journalist who happens to be a comedian
That's because the truth is so sad it's hard to not laugh at how messed up things are...
+Afro Anime not anymore, at least he is wearing his biased on his sleeve but he is not being fair on all subjects. He picks one side and if you disagree with it then you are in the wrong. What is that everyone on the internet says. Your opinion is not the same as mine so it doesn't matter? J. O. is becoming the epiphany of that.
+Maldus Alver Do you think that it's possible you feel that way because Mr. Oliver only tackles issues that are blatantly wrong? I don't see him spend much time shitting on his opposition. His opposition has just always shat themselves.
If you watch this episode, then notice all of the facts he lays out. States making bullshit excuses and stupid loops for women to jump through in order to have an abortion done. You put any person that shut down that clinic because of the three foot wide hallways through a lie detector test and ask: "Did you truly shut down the clinic because of the hallway width just due to that?"
100% of them would fail. And his best weapon to dismember anti abortion arguments is the footage of the doctor saying "Im required by the state to say abortion increases your chance of getting breast cancer. Im also obliged to give my medical opinion and say that there is absolutely no chance in increasing your chances of getting cancer because of an abortion."
Now I know that you didn't comment on the abortion issue, Im just providing an example of how John Oliver doesn't dig into his own opinion on issues. Hes just digging dumbasses out of the piles of shite theyve buried themselves in. John Oliver is credible as anyone. I guaruntee he and a huge team of people research thoroughly the issues he discusses and if there wasnt enough evidence to point to a flaw in any random social system/situation, then they won't discuss it in an episode.
If you would be so kind, please show me an issue he discusses where he treats an issue unfairly. I can't seem to recall any such instance.
+Maldus Alver Do you think that it's possible you feel that way because Mr. Oliver only tackles issues that are blatantly wrong? I don't see him spend much time shitting on his opposition. His opposition has just always shat themselves.
If you watch this episode, then notice all of the facts he lays out. States making bullshit excuses and stupid loops for women to jump through in order to have an abortion done. You put any person that shut down that clinic because of the three foot wide hallways through a lie detector test and ask: "Did you truly shut down the clinic because of the hallway width just due to that?"
100% of them would fail. And his best weapon to dismember anti abortion arguments is the footage of the doctor saying "Im required by the state to say abortion increases your chance of getting breast cancer. Im also obliged to give my medical opinion and say that there is absolutely no chance in increasing your chances of getting cancer because of an abortion."
Now I know that you didn't comment on the abortion issue, Im just providing an example of how John Oliver doesn't dig into his own opinion on issues. Hes just digging dumbasses out of the piles of shite theyve buried themselves in. John Oliver is credible as anyone. I guaruntee he and a huge team of people research thoroughly the issues he discusses and if there wasnt enough evidence to point to a flaw in any random social system/situation, then they won't discuss it in an episode.
If you would be so kind, please show me an issue he discusses where he treats an issue unfairly. I can't seem to recall any such instance.
+Michael Connor Edit: I meant to say that "LastWeekTonight is extremely credible."
instead of
"John Oliver is credible as anyone."
I actually have a folder on my computer labeled as 'Definitely Not Porn'. It's full of pictures of cute cats. It's also a distraction from my actual porn folder labeled as 'Porn'.
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What a coincidence me to, but a different kind of pussy.
+ackbarfan5556 thank you, that made me very happy.
hahaha that's great mate
+ackbarfan5556 I'm guessing your actual porn is just cute cats of a different sort?
To any Americans reading this, India is wayyyyy behind on income equality, quality of life, you name it and we ...have..country wide abortion rights since 1950 and no one is trying to even raise a debate on it...not a political issue by any stretch !!!
If you're against abortion don't get one..
"Sentenced to motherhood" That says it all.
Sure does. Family and motherhood are penalties to be avoided in the opinion of the left.
@@furtim1 If you do not want a child, then yes, it is a penalty.
@Tacitus Killgore You're fucking disgusting
@@obliviousotterI If you do not want a child, then you can arrange for them to be adopted by someone who does.
@@spongeintheshoe You do realize not every birth (especially an unplanned one) will lead to a healthy baby
"Pro-Life" and yet they sentence a child to lose her future.
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+Erigorn - Erik Because your life basically ends with your birth. Or so they think.
+Sam McArthur people like you sicken me
what about the child growing inside that child? yes it certainly is a shity situation for both of them, but there are other options than to kill the fetus.
As my friend so eloquently put it. They're pro-life, until you're actually born. They want you to be born, so they can funk you over later.
As a woman living in Texas.... this aged well.
Woman from Tennessee. I feel your pain.
Hopefully roe gets overturned
@@oscareguia3971 Yes, because clearly it's a smart idea to overturn Supreme Court decisions based on a single religion's false opinion on how the female body works in an desparate attempt to control said female body.
Remember when separation of Church and State was vehemently protected as a rule the Founding Fathers set out to maintain?
@@TheQuashingoftheTub Ok, lets break this down.
"Yes, because clearly it's a smart idea to overturn Supreme Court decisions"
When those decisions are wrong, yes.
"based on a single religion's false opinion on how the female body works"
No, several religions hold this view, not just Catholicism. This is irrelevant, however, since the pro-life view is a biological and scientific one, not a religious one. It is also not an opinion about how the female body works, it is about how infants and unborn babies work, especially the fact that they are living humans beings.
"in a desparate attempt to control said female body."
This strawman comparison only works if you believe that laws against murder, rape, and robbery are nothing more than attempts to control the human body.
"Remember when separation of Church and State was vehemently protected as a rule the Founding Fathers set out to maintain?"
I don't get what you are implying with this, as the abortion issue is not a religious one and the only people who insert religion into it are pro abortion atheists.
As a guy, I'm surprised some women are against some women having a say over their own bodies.
I agree and I'm very pro choice. But, isn't the issue more than just about controlling your body?
Internalised misogyny mostly. I have heard from women that women are not supposed to vote and would be happier if they were only allowed to pop out kids and kiss their husband's feet. And all of those were anti-abortion, many even in the cases of death, as you would 'die happy knowing you fulfilled your purpose' yikes
@@cchris874 Depends on how you see it. The issue boils down to whether or not you get to have human rights and decide what happens with your body. There are some factors involved with the decision on what to do itself but it comes down to whether you get to control your body or someone else gets to control your body.
@@ValerieRaya Yes, but there's also the issue of the moral status of the embryo/ fetus. Not all people who are pro life are misogynistic. It might be convenient to think so, but debates like this are rarely as simplistic as some make them out to be. [edit: Ooops this was addressed to James.]
@@ValerieRaya I see the point, but for example, let's consider the case of connected twins. Let's say if you separate, she dies and you live. Does the right to control your own body extend to killing your twin sister by separating from her?
Wait a minute....so getting a gun in this country is a lot easier than getting an abortion???
Stephanie Lu in some states yes.
...murica...
Hell! getting a gun in your country is much easier than getting a drink. But what do I know? Mine is a shithole country afterall.
Well I don’t think guns are bad. I think abortion should only be performed if it threatens the health of the mother
Stephanie Lu duh it’s America
*To any pro-lifers:* if fetuses are people then by law abortion _has_ to be legal, because the government cannot legally force a person to so much as donate blood, let alone an organ to benefit another person.
Therefore, if a fetus or embryo is a person, they do _NOT_ have the right to make use of another person's organs without their consent.
That's a really good argument! I'd never thought of that. If I can't be legally required to donate an organ to save someone's life, why should I ever be legally required to donate my entire body to save a "person's" life? Take the embryo out of the woman then. Grow it yourself, men who decide I can't do what I want with my body.
Damn it, if only youtube had the save comment feature like reddit, This is a great argument.
I believe the formal term for this legal concept is "bodily anatomy" and yes, it's absolutely correct.
@@Anvilman I think you mean bodily autonomy! :) I have no problem with the argument that an embryo or fetus is a person, there are some valid points to be made on that front. But whether they're a person or not is ultimately irrelevant because bodily autonomy is imperative.
@@henryarnold8298 Feel free to copy and paste to a file on word or something! :)
If you're ever looking for this argument again, Matt Dillahunty from Atheist Experience has used it very eloquently several times when discussing abortion.
obligatory "anyone else rewatching after roe got overturned?" comment
I have an idea, if you’re going to make abortion illegal, then churches should be taxed
Why? Abortion is not a religious issue and if you want to conflate the two you should have a good reason for it.
It’s illegal for the government to bust down your door and demand you donate a kidney to save someone on the transplant waiting list. Organ donation is a personal choice and not mandatory because we respect the concept of bodily autonomy.
It’s illegal to harvest organs from a dead person without their prior consent. Even if those organs are desperately needed to save another human being’s life. That’s how much we respect that person’s consent and right to their own body.
But so many pro-lifers demand a world where a pregnant woman, no matter how early along she is, no matter how “at fault” she is for her pregnancy, is forced by the government to carry the zygote or embryo or fetus inside her to term, sacrificing this right for 9 months and shouldering all the potential risks of pregnancy and labor whether they consented to it or not.
These pro-lifers are fine with a world that gives more bodily autonomy to a *corpse* than it does to women.
Scarlet wings Well Said! Wish I could copy it to Facebook
Scarlet wings well, the thing is that the fetus isn’t a part of the woman’s body. It’s considered a separate organism. The ProLife argument is that abortion is murder, so if you’re trying to make a counter argument at least address that.
Edit: to all that have started reading this thread now: I don’t have a stance on abortion anymore, or at least not one as well defined as had when I wrote these replies, so please don’t reply to me, as I won’t try to argue and I don’t quite stand by some of the things I said anymore. I don’t care about this issue currently.
Lucas Urquiza I don’t believe you understand the point I am making here. Please read my comment very carefully. No where do I outright say a fetus is literally part of of the woman’s body (I *do* have my own opinions on that whole separate matter but it’s subjective at best and arguing them wouldn’t get either of us anywhere.). It doesn’t need addressing here specifically because I’m already making a generous comparison in my kidney example, because it assumes a fully formed, sentient human being’s life at stake.
When I’m talking about bodily autonomy, I am not equating the fetus to the woman’s body, I am talking about the woman’s right to the rest of her body that sustains the fetus with nutrients and a habitable environment for development. The woman’s body that faces risks of complication and will undergo a tremendous stress and change should it carry the pregnancy to term.
Scarlet wings, oh I get it now, sorry. I still have a different opinion but I see that your argument was more well articulated than I once thought. Plus you make a really good point, guess I was too sleepy to notice at the time.
Lucas Urquiza No problem! I know it’s a bit of a wall to skim through in the first place. Appreciate the feedback though.
The story about that 13-year-old girl got me so Angry! Hasn't she suffered enough? There is no way to help her? What sort of world are we living in?
@@samoppedisano3994 So the child has to be parent to a child?
Sam Oppedisano where is your empathy for that little 13 year old girl? Shame on you for being anti-choice.
Sam Oppedisano the fetus is not a baby yet. It’s a baby once it’s born. Medically, scientifically and factually, it’s a fetus. It isn’t murder. Abortion is a human right thanks to Roe v. Wade when it was passed on January 22nd 1973 by the Supreme Court. It decriminalize abortion, so it isn’t murder.
Sam Oppedisano yes, eventually it will be a human life. At the end of the day, when a little girl is raped, she has every right in the world to make any choice she wants because it’s her body that will go through the difficultly of pregnancy. She’s a baby having a baby and that’s so wrong, especially when there is rape involved.
@@samoppedisano3994 honestly that 'potential for human life' is such a bullshit argument. when do you class something as life then? technically unfertilised eggs are 'potential life' so that makes women murderers every month under that logic. I know it's a more extreme example than you gave but the logic is basically the same. at what point does something become alive enough that you can force a young girl to give up her body autonomy and rights as a human being to preserve it inside her?
I get that you want to preserve life in all forms and it is an admirable way to live in most cases. However when you are forcing one life to sacrifice their body autonomy to save another then you are putting the unborn 'potential for life' over a very real person's actual life. consider how traumatic it would be to carry the child of your rapist for 9 months, not just physically but emotionally. complications could also arise from that pregnancy (especially at age 13) resulting in permanent change to her body and mental state which could affect the rest of that young girl's life. none of which she had any way to opt out of because people like you who are in power think an unborn fetus is more important than her wellbeing and made it illegal for her to choose. it's a difficult situation but it should be her choice to make because it affects her.
As an aside, do you know there are laws prohibiting the medical use of organs from people who have not signed up to be a donor? if someone dies, and a sick patient desperately needs an organ from that person to live, it is completely illegal to take the organ from the corpse unless that person signed up to be a donor while they were alive. Even though the dead person obviously does not need it, and another life could be saved by taking it, to do so would be inethical and completely illegal (as it should be).
It's a sick world we live in where pregnant women are given less rights over their body autonomy than corpses.
“If you’re pre-born you’re fine. If you’re pre-school, you’re fucked!”
The story about the 13-year-old girl is just heartbreaking.
@@datuputi777 what the fuck are you talking about
@@someone1167 abortion, isn't the video abt abortion?
"I should decide what rights a woman has concerning what happens with her own body, not she herself." ...Anyone saying abortion should be illegal or actively opposed with ridiculous laws and quasi-legal harassment as mentioned in this video, is basically saying this. And nobody should have that control over another human being... it's just egotistical megalomania. "They should do what I say, not what's right for them!" ...Makes me so mad...
@@hazukichanx408
Nice so much new words I learned but I try not to learn insults because it degrades humanity not build it but I think I'm to far down the bad words path.
btw it's not her body we're talking about it's the infant. Anyway, Why is this always the go to thing?
If you're yapping about property ;You know babies are made by sperm and eggs so what about the mans sperm of course males are less than females so it don't matter right?
I actually doubt you're a real female but assuming makes an ass of me.
Eitherway the big question is:
why is the choice always killing? Why infanticide?
I've laid out on my other comments that nobody has to die men just need to man up and abortionist need to stop comparing infants to weeds or pest.
But hey idk it always drifts down to ownership rights and killing is like as s if we lost all the love in the world that all we can do is kill.
We have stopped/opposed killing in wars but it seems it's all for naught because we want to kill infants whatever it takes.
Tldr:
You're right you can choose and I can't do anything about it but yap like I do now.
It's what makes freedom great..
Also, I didn't say anything about what you or others should do i just simply laid out my case.
Sorry if you were offended but you know it's free speech but I'll still apologize.
datuputi777 no one is killing infants, just fetuses and only during the times when they don't meet the biological requirements for LIFE.
Come on, who puts porn in the 'Definitely Not Porn' folder?
You put tax stuff in there, and porn goes into the 'Tax Stuff' folder.
Alternatively, fuck the definitely not porn folder. Make a porn folder.
(in bill wurtz voice)
Tax stuff is in the porn. Porn in the tax stuff, tax stuff in the porn.
Works for me.
I just re-watched this episode. Somehow, 5 years have passed and the situation has just gotten worse.
Ikr, like did the Supreme Court forget that Roe v Wade was a thing?
the fact that the US claims to be all about the "freedom of choice" but at the same time are implementing policies like these, is the perfect example why the rest of the world thinks the US is the capitol of hypocracy.
i love watching LWT because it gives me all new appreciation of my own country.
i'm sorry americans for the circumstances you have to live under and i don't want to bash but europe is the fucking best place to live at in the entire world.
I had an abortion at the Alabama Clinic they're talking about.
The staff was amazing. The doctor was amazing. And the Aftercare was more than one I could have asked for.
Hate me if you want. But it's a blessing that I didn't carry the fetus to full term.
It genuinely hurts my heart to know that they were shut down like this
Ashley Robertson I’m happy you got the choice you deserved. It’s a medical right. Don’t apologize for your personal choice.
Better than bringing in an unwanted child. I'm sure it was hard.
How far along where you
@@BigBoss-gb3fs None of your fucking business
J0ECRAWF15H sorry but it’s not your fucking business
I almost cried when I heard the story about the 13 year old girl its terrible.
i'm 14 and the thought of someone my age having to become a mom terrifies me, let alone someone even younger than me.
Nobody is going to feel sad for this unborn baby?
@@wettaloca2923 why should we feel sad for it?
And here I was in Canada being outraged at the fact that hospitals that were founded by religious institutions have to follow their founding religion's decision on offering abortion despite those hospitals now being in buildings paid for by taxpayers (as the original facilities are obsolete and modern ones have been built elsewhere) and are staffed entirely by government employees (effectively, if not literally).
That's fine for places like Vancouver - there's about a dozen hospitals in easy reach of that city, most *in* that city, so St. Paul's can do whatever they want, but in smaller towns, you might be several hours from the nearest hospital, and if that one doesn't do abortions, it might be another several hours to get to one. The law for abortion in teenagers guarantees the teen's privacy regarding their parents, which kinda gets undermined by having to travel 8 hours to get to a hospital.
I really hate churches 'owning' daycares, kindergartens, hospitals, etc. They are paid for almost exclusively by taxes here in Germany but the church is still free to discriminate away because they own the thing.
@@ValerieRaya Sounds like it's exactly the same issue as here. Do you also have the added stupidity of the church still owning the hospital even though the hospital moved from the original church-built structure to a new government/taxpayer built structure? In my town, literally the only thing that remains church-related about the hospital is that they kept the name - it's named after a saint.
Thankfully the Alabama law restricting abortion clinics within 2000 ft. of a school was blocked. The law also impacted a second clinic, combined they provide 72% of all abortions performed within a 200 mile radius.
are people even watching the video and actually attaining info from this????!!!! like the comment section be uneducated af
IKR
lol
+Revy blacklagoon : Of course they didn't. They stopped watching it until 11:29 ;) (still depressing though)
+Revy blacklagoon He didn't address why the majority of this country is either against or mostly against abortion.... gee... I wonder why?
+JT Faisa The majority isn't against abortion. Rewatch the video and look up statistics.
“Your TV show is derivative and you’ll never escape the shadow of John Stewart!”
Bahahahahahaha!!!!! Gosh, I love this man!
It is his fake laugh tracks that separate him from Stewart, among many other things.
@@furtim1 You realize this is alive studio audience? And he probably makes more money in a day then you do in a month?
@@ForrestFox626 If many of those laughs are not added/augmented in post, I would be VERY surprised and sad for the poor audience that will seemingly laugh at anything in perfectly timed volume waves with each little comment in a perfect 2 second arc. I have read narratives from people who were in the audience wherein they say parts of the show they witnessed were pre-recorded and not part of what they saw in person. So, at least some of it is dubbed laughter. So much of what he says is just simple minded dribble or just lame, I can't even break a smile when I watch. Other times, his staff writes more creatively and it is funny.
Also, why bring up how much money I make? Was that somehow part of my complaint about his humor? That I make more than him?
@@furtim1 Now don't get me wrong, I love Jon Stewart A LOT! But I see no need to compare the two here. First of all, that's a live audience. Whether some is pre-recorded or not. Second of all, he did the show without an audience or a laugh track for basically all of 2020 and it was just as brilliant.
Rewatching this in 2024 is so depressing. What was extreme 10 years ago is nothing compared to now. America you are so broken.
This aged so well
If you're against abortion I really don't understand you...
+Ryan LeRoux Funny thing is, most of the pro-life crowd only care about the baby as long as it's still inside the mother. The second it's out, they lose all interest. Force a mother unable to care for a child to have one, then leave her and the child in the dust when she can't take care of it.
+Ryan LeRoux There has to be somebody speaking for the child that can't speak for him/ herself yet
+quiksix25 how do you know the child wants to be born? did you ask it?
how do you know you are not forcing into existence someone who does not want to exist?
I don't understand you because you didn't present an argument.
Agent2090 Stop putting words in people's mouth.
she's literally a thirteen year old girl being put through a physically traumatic experience after a physically and mentally traumatic experience with no options and a high likelihood of complications how are they prolife?
They'll say it's her fault she was assaulted ...
To take Devils Advocate here, I think most conservatives aren't on this whole blanket statement that all abortions should be illegal, you also have to remember that this is just one story and doesn't encompass the vast majority of women
@@FuturisticTech-9999 I'm pro choice just because I don't want the government to do with anything with me, but a conservative would say that's the price to pay for killing a baby
@@Tylermac221 Right, which easily justifies continual punishment of rape victims. She's been through a lot, pregnancy is clearly what she needs. I agree, just because she's unlucky doesn't mean we need to reevaluate the system. It's uncommon, right? Like sentencing the wrong man to death! It doesn't happen all that much so maybe it's not that big of a deal. Right? Fucking right? A 13 year old rape victim with her whole life ahead of her is not IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR YOU (I MEAN REPUBLICANS) TO DO SOMETHING, RIGHT?
You people make me want to scream every fucking time you spout that horrendous bullshit about, "oh well it doesn't happen all THAT often, she's just one case." You know that's fucking monstrous. MONSTROUS. I'd like to see you at 13 years old abandoned by your country for some devil's advocate I mean REPUBLICAN agenda. Get over yourself, YOU are just one case but you pro-lifers are sure determined to make life harder for everyone else.
GOD
DAMN
@@Tylermac221 so fuck you and the white phony I mean pony your devil's advocate ass road in on. CLEARLY we need that shit on a topic like this about a little girl!
Jees. 6yrs ago, 4 years ago, and 4 weeks ago. We're a pathetic country.
Totally just rewatching while I fold clothes. Kind of a blah activity for my ADHD BUT your videos always make things better because I can learn, laugh, become irritated about a topic I didn't even realize was a problem. ANYWAYS thank you for being you!!!!!! Keep on rocking your job!!!!! We the viewers are thankful!!!!!!
"You can't have an abortion" Ok fine, so who's raising this kid? "You are." Well if I have to do it alone the government can help me? "Nope sorry, you decided to have the kid"...see how fucked up that is?
nolan salwach Exactly.
...this is the one video from John I can't watch because of how depressed it makes me. Especially that section about the 13 year old rape victim... It's just appalling to think that something like that is allowed to happen in the country I live in
I agree :'( it is infuriating.
***** Simply because something happens among other species means not that it should be permitted among humans, as, unlike every other species on Earth, we are aware of our actions and their affects
***** Fair, but disagreement happens very often with everything and usually doesn't violate anyone on a social, personal, and medical level
***** Keep in mind I said "usually". Furthermore events like the world wars do not happen in multitudes every single day
I had to watch the video to know he mentioned a 13 year old victim. How'd you know it without watching it? do you have powers?
- can i have 3 wishes? xD
That part of the doctor saying the mandatory lines and then having to correct them only reinforces the idea that the US is a third world country
Anyway, that doctor is truly someone admirable. As a medicine student, I want to be just like him.
The way I like to say is the USA is the third world shithole of the first world.
It’s the “oh my gawd” in the audience after the part about the ultrasounds for me😂
I know there's massive disagreements about Abortion law, particular in America, but condemning a 13 year old rape victim to having to have a child that will forever remind her of being raped is just despicable, and should never happen.
+Jamie Martin sad thing is it isn't just her, there are probably thousands in her situation. So glad i live in New Zealand...
+Ella Smith Same here, at least there's some logic here in NZ when it comes to it
its just basic human rights! free health care, free sex education (in most schools, apart from religious ones, I'm guessing?), and the right to an abortion. ugh some people....
+dhodz hoddy hell no... I think you can't get one after 4-5 months though? haven't researched this but you definitely can get abortions pretty simply here (:
+Ella Smith There's definitely a time limit on it for sure, other than in 'exceptional circumstances' I think
Let's face it, this world is overpopulated. If you want to not give birth, you should be able to have that choice. The fetus is not a baby yet, and if you don't want it in your life, you should be able to live your life without it!
Idiot
+UNCLE UTTERS Well do you care to present a different argument?
amen
You don't get to decide whether the baby lives or dies.
+Brenda Thank you
I'm Canadian and I went to a catholic school. One day in my high school Religion class we were talking about abortion. I was the only one who said I was pro choice (in any circumstances BTW) and when I did my teacher gasped.
hell yeah
I gasped at the words "catholic school"
@@alanna_weiss That's only half of it. In middle school sex Ed was only a 45 minute session a month and in High School sex Ed was only taught in gym class (again once a month)
@@Canada1994 To Be Fair, It Was A Catholic School. What Did You Think Was Going To Happen?
@@collinkeyser6827 I knew that would happen BUT I always make my points known
Anybody else watching this is 2022 and just having a bad time?
The worst time :)
Pro-choice or pro-life you gotta admit, having a baby at 13 is pretty fucked up
It disturbs me that because of some stupid laws, young girls are sentenced to motherhood whether they want it or not. And according to most studies, these women won't/can't finish high school, let alone go to college, leading to that they are not like to get a job that can support the family that they were forced to have. Disgusting. I say that if they don't want to have a child, they shouldn't, and they should get the care they need to for fill that.
If you can't take care of the child, that doesn't mean that you can just kill it. Adoption is an option.
Tell that to the 1.5 million some odd kids stuck in the system, many never getting adopted.
The answer is simple; make sex Ed a priority and treat it with respect. Other countries do that and they don't even have half the problems we do. Our sex Ed consists of basically "Don't have sex or you'll get pregnant. Now go adult and shit."
So tell me, how many kids have you adopted so far?
Adriana Gastélum Is there a point?
I'm wondering, if you think adoption is an option, how many kids have you adopted so far, 'cause very little people want to adopt. Giving an unwanted child for adoption isn't always a choice.
"We're protecting women's health"
By traumatizing women even more.
I guess, you only can understand this law, if you fall one time too many off the rodeo cow.
The Netherlands had the most liberal abortion laws early in the 1980s.
There, too, people see nothing good in abortions, emphasizing that it would be nicer if the women could carry their child to term. But there is a deep understanding that this is not always possible. Despite they have general health insurance, payed maternity leave, payed parental leave, child benefits, free day care, special labor rights for parents, helpful social work, social security etc. etc. The women in Texas do not have such a support system. Their situation is even worse than that of women in Poland.
Surprisingly, the Netherlands has the lowest abortion rate of all western countries where abortion is not prohibited, the lowest rate of teenage pregnancies and there young people are the eldest starting with sex. Because they are not governed with a crude interpretation of the Bible, but with reason. Children and adolescents are informed early about sex, it's not a taboo, not in families, not in school and not in churches, and contraceptives are freely available.
The liberal laws in the Netherlands are an example that education, - sexual education, - affordable health care and social security for all and workers right for parents are the most effective forms of prevention, pro life. It's lot cheaper than running new prisons for all the women, nurses, doctors, taxi drivers. And it saves many "holy" lifes, those of the unborn and those of the living.
Stop applying your religious or personal views on others... Women can make the decision themselves
That's how it SHOULD be anyway.
But the pro-life movement is by definition, anti-choice. So no, they won't stop it.
Eventually they will. They're losing support by the day. In ten years or so, this will be dust under the rug and the country will have moved on to the next big scandal.
I am pro-choice, but I can conceptually understand why strict pro-life supporters are so adamantly against abortion. In their view, abortion is equivalent to murdering an innocent infant. To them, saying that you can't ban abortions because that would be imposing personal/religious views on others would be the same as saying you can't ban baby-smothering because that would be imposing personal/religious views on others.
I don't hold to this view and know that almost all abortions are done before a fetus is anything close to human in neural complexity. Still, their fervor is understandable.
Nerdnumberone But still, many of the people who hold this view, can't defend with rational arguments.
They always say that the fetus, while still isn't capable of living on its own, on the future it has the chance of growing into a person, but when i ask them if i should be charged by mass homicide if i was to turn off a fridge full of fertilised eggs, they say no. So the arguments they use are mostly emotional, specially showed when they try to pass legislation that the mother should be forced to look to the fetus and hear its heart beat on a exam before the abortion.
Also i find funny that many of those same people are also against social welfare for poor families, so they care only as long you're pregnant, after that "fuck off".