Brand New || An Introduction to ʿIlm al-Kalām || Ustadh Abdulrahman Hassan ||
Vložit
- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- Sign up now to AMAU Academy: www.amauacademy.com/
0:00 Prohibition of using 'Ilmul Kalaam
5:25 Definition of 'Ilmul Kalaam
20:33 Ten reasons why was it called so
30:31 Why did the salaf refute 'Ilmul Kalaam?
35:25 Origin & History of 'Ilmul Kalaam
46:06 Development of ' Ilmul Kalaam
54:21 Causes for their misguided methodology in 'Aqeedah
1:14:58 How the salaf spoke against 'Ilmul Kalaam
1:26:18 They're people of innovation & desires
1:45:33 Disuniting from Kalaam & it's people
1:51:18 The salaf used 'Ilmul Kalaam to defend the religion?
2:03:12 The cure is never in the prohibitions
2:16:57 Imam Ash-Shaafi' refuted only the Mu'tazila's use of Kalaam?
2:29:33 They use the text only to confuse the people
2:35:41 Traits of the people of Kalaam
2:37:29 They consistently contradict themselves
2:50:24 Argumentative and follow ambiguous matters
2:53:16 Going overboard with the 'Aql
2:56:46 Not giving any respect to the texts
2:58:25 Their hearts are filled with doubts & confusion
3:21:43 They're ignorant of Ahadeeth
3:24:18 The disunity between them is massive
3:28:21 Ustadh's finishing words
AMAU Academy: www.amauacademy.com/
AMAU Junior: amaujunior.com/
Instagram: / amauofficial
Patreon: / amau
Telegram: t.me/amauofficial
CZcams: / amauofficial
Twitter: / amauofficial
iTunes: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...
Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/08NJC1p...
Get in Touch: amau.org/getintouch
BarakAllahu feekum.
#AMAU #Islam #Dawah
Did you know that we will be covering the topic of Mantiq and Ilm Al Kalam in detail as part of the Student of Knowledge Program. For more details visit www.amauacademy.com
I watched the whole video in one sitting. I really enjoyed,benefited and entertained a lot. May Allah bless you and the whole amua team.
Amēn
❤️
Did you made notes of this lecture?
If yes, can u share it plzzz
00:00 Opening & Introduction
05:15 Beginning of the dars
05:26 Definition/s of Ilmul-Kalam
09:40 Commonalities between the definitions
14:09 Differences between the definitions
20:31 Why was it called Ilmul-Kalam?
29:03 Ibn Taymiyyah's take on Ilmul-Kalam & Rational Arguments
32:50 What is rebuked?
34:18 Why did the Salaf rebuke Ilmul-Kalam?
35:25 Historical Analysis of Ilmul-Kalam
36:16 During the time of Rasool ﷺ & the Sahaba رضي الله عنهم
43:32 The dawn of innovations
46:04 How did kalam grow and spread?
54:07 How the kalam affected their methodology & Aqeedah
01:14:58 How the Salaf spoke against Ilmul-Kalam
01:26:18 Bidah is present in the statements of ahlul-kalam (Consensus of the Salaf)
01:29:56 The Maliki view on kalam (Imam Malik)
01:35:13 The Hanafi view on kalam (Imam Abu Hanifa)
01:37:40 The amount of books written against kalam
01:39:55 Imam Malik's strong condemnation & how it applies to other than the Mu'tazilah
01:42:58 Imam Shafii's & Shafi'i view on kalam
01:46:53 Imam Ahmad's & Imam Abu Yusuf's views
01:47:56 The Salafis aren't the first ones to warn against kalam
01:51:17 Salaf used Ilmul-Kalam to defend Deen?
01:57:12 Qur'aan has strong logical arguments
01:58:19 Salaf did not kalam to defend Deen
01:58:59 Do not conflate between rational arguments and Ilmul-Kalam
02:00:08 Where rational arguments are not allowed
02:03:11 Ilmul-Kalam is an innovation & despised (Imam Daraqutni's statement)
02:09:00 Why do mutakallimeen differ in Usool if Ilmul-Kalam is right?
02:11:29 Ilmul-Kalam brings shakk (doubts) & goes against manhaj of Qur'aan & the Salaf
02:15:20 The mutakallimeen 'ulamaa [Imam Ghazzali] who recognized their wrong
02:16:57 Did Iman Shafi'i refute only the kalam of Mutazilah?
02:29:33 They use text to confuse the people [Imam Isma'eel al-Harawi's book]
02:33:09 Asha'irah & Maturidiyya are worser than Mutazilah & Jahmiyyah [Imam Sijzi]
02:35:41 Traits of Ahlul-kalam
02:37:29 Contradictions among them is great & well-known
02:40:28 The contradictions among the Asha'irah [7 Sifaat, affirming Ru'yah & Allah's Aboveness, Aql>Naql, they don't accept ahad hadith]
02:50:16 Excessive argumentation & following ambiguous matters
02:53:16 Veneration of 'aql
02:56:46 Disrespect of Shar'i texts
02:58:25 They are filled with doubts and confusion
03:02:29 Repentance of some Imams from Ilmul-Kalam
03:21:42 Ignorance of Sunnah & Hadith
03:24:18 Their disunity is massive
another brother in the comments made this just posted it again so i can see it right away when i watch this video.
USTADH, I love you for the sake of ALLAH ALMIGHTY.
May ALLAH ALMIGHTY grant you JANNAH
AMAU are so impressive with their Islamic content, always so pertinent and practical. May Allah SWT bless the team for their consistent work that is so beneficial to us.
Ilm al-Kalam is philhellenism, a deep love & yearning for the Ancient Greek. Why are we besotted with a period of Jahiliya where fahisha like pederasty was the norm, a society that had deities for every mood and thought. The West is built on Ancient Greek and we as Muslims diametrically oppose their foundations, therefore by extension we oppose Ancient Greece. Many don't know but the true destruction of Baghdad happened not when the Siege of the Mongols but by the decadence from the movement of translating Kalam from Greek to Arabic. This movement and the Muslims love for Kalam is what lead to them making true beneficial knowledge, stemming from Qur'an & Sunnah upon the understanding of the Salaf, come secondary, and whenever 'Ilm is put second a society will inevitably fail, especially when it is put second to Kalam. We have our Sirah, that is the golden age of humanity, we understand that there is no contradiction between the 'Aql and the Naql, so Alhamdullilah.
pleas madrassah umrarriyya respond to this
@@sundusmahamed4477Why should they respond to this? The commenter hasn’t said anything wrong.
@@user-hs9wl7hu6f i neither agree nor disagree i just wanted to know too why masjid umarriya is talking about greek philosophy i wanted context like everyoneelse
For more detail on this topic, you should check the videos by Sheikh Dr. Abul Feda Ibn Masood. Also, read the Sheikh book Blasting the foundation of Atheism, it is available in English.
@@sundusmahamed4477 The Ustādh mentioned it in the beginning of the video. He said that there has been on the rise the push of the concept of calling to Allah’s path سبحانه وتعالى by using ʻilm al-kalām. He continues to say that he has previously spoken about this topic but not in an in-depth manner as to why it is not allowed to use ʻilm al-kalām in Da’wah.
The video is split into 3 parts:
1: Understanding the reality of ʻilm al-kalām.
This is split into another 3 parts
تعريف علم الكلام
1a. The definition of ʻilm al- kalām.
سبب تسمية
1b. The reason why it’s called ʻilm al-kalām
نشاة علم الكلام
1c. The history of ʻilm al- kalām
ذم السلف لعلم الكلام
2. The condemnation of salaf on ʻilm al-kalām [and what they meant by it].
أهم سمات أهل الكلام
3. The most important[ and well known] features of the people of kalām.
May Allah ﷻ reward AMAU for their efforts. Ameen!
Ameen
Aameen
Ameen
Ameen
Ameen
نفع الله بك وبعلمك وزادك علما وعملا وإيمانا وصعودا ورفع قدرك في الدنيا ورزقك من فيض نعيمه في الآخرة ❤❤❤❤
Should be an amazing watch, will watch for the next 2-3 days insha allah
يا اخي الفاضل، خدمتك باللغة الإنجليزية في هذا الموضوع، و غيره، عظيمة جدا نشكركم. أسأل الله أن يجعلها من حسناتك يوم القيامه. اللهم آمين
Mashallah may Allah bless you! I always wanted something like this!
Jazakumullahu khairan Ustadz.
DETAILED TIMESTAMPS
Asalamu Alaykum, I started making these before AMAU posted their timestamps, and I found that mine were a bit more detailed and this can help if anybody needed quick references on specific topics. Hope you find it beneficial In Sha Allah
00:00 Opening & Introduction
05:15 Beginning of the dars
05:26 Definition/s of Ilmul-Kalam
09:40 Commonalities between the definitions
14:09 Differences between the definitions
20:31 Why was it called Ilmul-Kalam?
29:03 Ibn Taymiyyah's take on Ilmul-Kalam & Rational Arguments
32:50 What is rebuked?
34:18 Why did the Salaf rebuke Ilmul-Kalam?
35:25 Historical Analysis of Ilmul-Kalam
36:16 During the time of Rasool ﷺ & the Sahaba رضي الله عنهم
43:32 The dawn of innovations
46:04 How did kalam grow and spread?
54:07 How the kalam affected their methodology & Aqeedah
01:14:58 How the Salaf spoke against Ilmul-Kalam
01:26:18 Bidah is present in the statements of ahlul-kalam (Consensus of the Salaf)
01:29:56 The Maliki view on kalam (Imam Malik)
01:35:13 The Hanafi view on kalam (Imam Abu Hanifa)
01:37:40 The amount of books written against kalam
01:39:55 Imam Malik's strong condemnation & how it applies to other than the Mu'tazilah
01:42:58 Imam Shafii's & Shafi'i view on kalam
01:46:53 Imam Ahmad's & Imam Abu Yusuf's views
01:47:56 The Salafis aren't the first ones to warn against kalam
01:51:17 Salaf used Ilmul-Kalam to defend Deen?
01:57:12 Qur'aan has strong logical arguments
01:58:19 Salaf did not kalam to defend Deen
01:58:59 Do not conflate between rational arguments and Ilmul-Kalam
02:00:08 Where rational arguments are not allowed
02:03:11 Ilmul-Kalam is an innovation & despised (Imam Daraqutni's statement)
02:09:00 Why do mutakallimeen differ in Usool if Ilmul-Kalam is right?
02:11:29 Ilmul-Kalam brings shakk (doubts) & goes against manhaj of Qur'aan & the Salaf
02:15:20 The mutakallimeen 'ulamaa [Imam Ghazzali] who recognized their wrong
02:16:57 Did Iman Shafi'i refute only the kalam of Mutazilah?
02:29:33 They use text to confuse the people [Imam Isma'eel al-Harawi's book]
02:33:09 Asha'irah & Maturidiyya are worser than Mutazilah & Jahmiyyah [Imam Sijzi]
02:35:41 Traits of Ahlul-kalam
02:37:29 Contradictions among them is great & well-known
02:40:28 The contradictions among the Asha'irah [7 Sifaat, affirming Ru'yah & Allah's Aboveness, Aql>Naql, they don't accept ahad hadith]
02:50:16 Excessive argumentation & following ambiguous matters
02:53:16 Veneration of 'aql
02:56:46 Disrespect of Shar'i texts
02:58:25 They are filled with doubts and confusion
03:02:29 Repentance of some Imams from Ilmul-Kalam
03:21:42 Ignorance of Sunnah & Hadith
03:24:18 Their disunity is massive
thanks it will help
@Nejad Ihsan
HAHAHA 😂 Barak Allahu Feek, In Sha Allah you'll be able to understand some matters I feel. Trying going through the topics in the time stamps and see what benefits In Sha Allah, may Allah grant you beneficial knowledge ♥️
@NejadIhsan Still go through it watch it multiple times.
@NejadIhsan Read the book Blasting the foundation of Atheism by Sheikh Dr Abul Feda, and watch the two playlist as well, (1) The Salafilosophers, and (2) The Church of Naturalism.
@NejadIhsan Read the book Naqd Uthman Abu Sa'id Ad-Darimi ala Bishr al-Marisi al-Jahmi inda fima iftara ala Allah fi at-Tawheed, and also the book Kitab as-Sunnah of Imam Harb bin Ismail al-Karmani.
نفع الله بك وبعلمك وزادك علما وعملا وصعودا
Jazakumullahu khairan, wa barakAllahu feekum!
This is what i have been waiting ❤❤❤❤❤❤
تعريف علم الكلام وسبب تسميته ونشأته :
1. التعريف:
✒ تعريف الإيجي: الكلام علم يقتدر معه على إثبات العقائد الدينية بإيراد الحجج ودفع الشبه.
✒تعريف التفتازاني: العلم بالقواعد الشرعية الاعتقادية المكتسبة من أدلتها اليقينية.
✒ تعريف الجرجاني: علم يبحث فيه عن ذات الله تعالى وصفاته وأحوال الممكنات من البدء والمعاد على قانون الإسلام، قال: والقيد الأخير-على قانون الإسلام-؛ لإخراج العلم الإلهي للفلسفة.
⭕تعريف آخر للجرجاني: الكلام علم باحث عن أمور يُعلم منها المعاد وما يتعلق به، من الجنة، والنار، والثواب، والعقاب...
⭕تعريف آخر للجرجاني: وقيل: الكلام هو العلم بالقواعد الشرعية الاعتقادية المكتسبة عن الأدلة. [وهذا التعريف هو تعريف التفتازني نقله الجرجاني هاهنا].
✒تعريف التَّهَانَوي: هو علم يقتدر معه على إثبت العقائد الدينية على الغير بإيراد الحجج ودفع الشبه. [ويشبه أو يماثل تعريف الإيجي].
✒تعريف ابن خلدون: علم يتضمن الحِجاج عن العقائد الإيمانية بالأدلة العقلية والرد على المبتدعة المنحرفين في الاعتقادات عن مذاهب السلف وأهل السنة.
|_-_-_-_-_-_-_-|
مشتركات التعاريف:
✒أولا: الكلام علم موضوعه العقيدة، كالإيمان بالله والرسل، فليس له متعلق فقهي ونحو ذلك.
✒ثانيا: الكلام علم لإثبات العقيدة بطريقة مخصوصة عن طريق الأدلة العقلية (المنطقية). [أقول أنا المعلق: المنطق هنا لا يُقصد به الفطرة أو الأمور البديهية بل المقصود شيء آخر. والعقل لا يقصد به العقل المعروف، إنما يقصد العقل المشخصن، المبني على منهج معين]. فالمتكلمون لا يعتمدون على نصوص الكتاب والسنة، أو على طريقة الكشف الصوفية.
✒ثالثا: علم الكلام فيه جدل ومناظرات وخصومات.
|_-_-_-_-_-_-_-|
الاختلافات بين التعاريف:
اختلاف تعريف ابن خلدون عن الآخرين: تعريف ابن خلدون قاصر على إثبات العقائد ورد الشبه عن مذهب السلف وأهل السنة. [ويقصد ابن خلدون بأهل السنة: الأشاعرة ومن نحا نحوهم]، [أقول أنا المعلق: الأشاعرة ليسوا أهل سنة بل هم أهل بدعة، وقد خالفوا السلف الصالح كثيرًا. وقال الشيخ عبدالرحمن حسن: الأشاعرة خرجوا من رحم المعتزلة].
إذن تعريف ابن خلدون خطأ؛ لأن علم الكلام يشترك فيه المعتزلة والأشاعرة ومن شابههم من المبتدعة، وليس الأشاعرة فقط.
**********************************
2. سبب تسمية علم الكلام بهذا الاسم:
ذكر التفتازاني في شرح العقائد النسفية عدة أسباب وانتخب الشيخ عبدالرحمن 10:
✒ لأن عنوان مباحثه كان قولهم: الكلام في كذا وكذا.
✒ لأن مسألة الكلام كانت أشهر مباحثه. [يقصد مسألة كلام الله، والذي لا شك فيه ونقطع بصحته أن القران كلام الله غير مخلوق، منه بدأ وإليه يعود. ورفض ابن تيمية أن يكون هذا هو السبب لتسمية علم الكلام، في مناظرته في الواسطية (مجموع الفتاوى مجلد 3/ صفحة 184)].
✒ لأنه يورث قدرة على الكلام في تحقيق الشرعيات وإلزام الخصم، وقالوا أن علاقة الكلام بالشريعة يشبه علاقة المنطق بالفلسفة، لذلك سُمي علم الكلام.
✒ لأنه أول ما يجب من العلوم التي تُعلَّم وتُتَعلم من الكلام.
✒ لأنه إنما يتحقق بالمباحثة وإدارة الكلام من الجانبين.
✒ لأنه أكثر العلوم خلافا ونزاعا، فيشتد افتقاره إلى الكلام مع المخالفين والرد عليهم.
✒ لقوة أدلته صار كأنه هو الكلام دون ما عداه من العلوم، كما يقال للأقوى من الكلامين: هذا هو الكلام. [بالمثال يتضح المقال: تخيل لو أن رجلان اختصما عند قوم، فقال الأول هذا حرام، وقال الثاني بل حلال، ثم قال الثاني والدليل كذا وكذا، فتبين أنه المصيب؛ عندئذ يقول القوم هذا هو الكلام. بمعنى: هذا هو الصواب.]
✒ لابتنائه على الأدلة القطعية المؤيدة أكثرها بالأدلة السمعية، ولأنه أشد العلوم تأثيرا في القلب وتغلغلا فيه؛ فسمي بالكلام المشتق من الكلم وهو الجرح.
✒ لأن المتكلمين كانوا يتكلمون حيث ينبغي الصمت، اقتداءً بالصحابة والتابعين الذين سكتوا في هذه المواضع. فأصبح الكلام هنا ضد السكوت.
✒ لأن المتكلمين قوم يتكلمون في أمور ليس تحتها عمل. فأصبح الكلام هنا ضد الفعل.
وأقرب هذه العشرة: الخامسة والسادسة والتاسعة والعاشرة.
*************************************
3. نشأة علم الكلام:
بدأ علم الكلام عندما تُعمق في آيات المتشابه، [قد يقول قائل: حصل هذا في عهد الرسول عندما تكلم الناس في القدر، نقول: نعم، وسد الرسول الذريعة وغضب غضبا شديدا، وكذا فعل عمر بن الخطاب في الذي خاض في المتشابه، فلا تعتبر هذه هي البداية، وإنما نقصد البداية عندما فُتح باب التنطع على مصراعيه]، وعندما دخلت العجمة على المسلمين، مع بداية بدعة الجعد بن درهم وبدعة الجهم ومع توسع بدعة القدرية، ثم نُشرت بدعة المعتزلة بقوة؛ فكان المعتزلة هم من نصر وأسس لعلم الكلام، وأقحموا العقل في ما لا يُقحم به، فتركوا الكتاب والسنة وخدموا الكلام بنهم، ثم بعد هذه الخيانة للكتاب والسنة جاؤوا وأرادوا ليَّ أعناق النصوص وفقًا لجهلياتهم.
*************************************
ما الذي أثّر على منهجهم في دراسة العقيدة؟
1. الالتقاء بأصحاب الديانات الأخرى، ودخول الزنادقة في الإسلام؛ ليهدموه من الداخل. وطاهر حسين مثال معاصر، ورد عليه الشيخ محمود شاكر جزاه الله خيرا.
2. حركة الترجمة، حيث تُرجمت كتب فلاسفة اليونان. والترجمة ليست مذمومة من حيث هي ترجمة.
3. الجهل بالكتاب والسنة والبعد عنهما. قال ابن تيمية: "من المعلوم أن المعظمين للفلسفة والكلام المعتقدين لمضمونها أبعد الناس عن معرفة الحديث، وأبعد عن اتِّباعه من هؤلاء. هذا أمرٌ محسوس، بل إذا كشفت أحوالهم وجدتهم من أجهل الناس بأقواله ﷺ وأحواله وبواطن أموره وظواهرها، حتى تجد كثيراً من العامة أعلم بذلك منهم.
وتجدهم لا يميزون بين ما قاله الرسول ﷺ وما لم يقله ﷺ، بل قد لا يفرقون بين حديث متواتر عنه، وحديث مكذوب موضوع عليه، وإنما يعتمدون في موافقته على ما يوافق قولهم، سواء كان موضوعاً أو غير موضوع.. حتى تجد في أئمة علماء هؤلاء من لا يميز بين القرآن وغيره.." (الانتصار لأهل الأثر 141-143).
4. ضعف الإيمان واتباع الهوى. وذكر الشيخ كتاب تأويل مختلف الحديث لابن قتيبة رحمه الله، مرشدًا لقراءة قصص الأفاكين الكذابين الذين ذكروا في الكتاب.
**********************************
Stopped at 1:14:58
Trying to continue Insha'allah
جزاك الله خيرا
@@nuhan واياكم
@@user-uy8pg4wv4b Aameen
@@user-uy8pg4wv4b آمين
جزاك الله الخير
ربي يوفقك لإتمام الحلقة
جزاك الله خيرًا على المحتوى المثري والله يهدينا ويهدي الجميع
May Allah accept your deeds and reward you according to the best good that you did
I have enjoyed watching the whole video but i have realized that the ustaad may Allah preserve him got a bit tired towards the end. May Allah bless you with good health,long life and the worship of Allah almighty.
Excellent, Allahumma barik
Jazakum Allahu khairan.
والله اني لأرجوا أن تكون من العلماء ولو أن العلماء الكبار سمعوا كلامك لارتفع مقامك عندهم
This is very much needed in today's dawah. Jazakumu allahu kheyraa.
I feel so happy every time new content gets posted. Otherwise I don't know how to go about with my day, even though I have work for the most part of my day.
Me too subahnullah may Allah have preserve the sheikh
Subhanallah ❤
Alahuma barik so much information in one relatively short video that it could actually fill books.
Baraka allahu feekum. I feel like this topic was very much needed given the push and attraction that so called duaat&their ignorant followers especially in the UK display and also the sects that base their deen on ilmul kalaam.
بارك الله فيكم يا أستاذنا ونفعنا بعلمك
MashaAllah, this channel always addresses current issues and topics relevant to our present time.
May Allah bless the shaykh for his efforts
جزاك الله خيرا ✨
jazakAllah u khair Ustaadh!
Jazaakallahu Khayraa, may ALLAH increase you in knowledge. I hope during this series Ustaaz will bring the tawba that their leadership made so it can also be known insha'Allah.
Ma sha allah
Need more of these academic lectures
I was waiting quite a while for someone to clarify this👀
جزاك الله خيرا كثيرا
مفيد جدا
Sheik your my star. Jazakallah kheir. Thanks for update information.
بارك الله فيك
Subhan'Allah, I was just looking for some explanation on doubts raised by some philosphers and exactly around this time, ustadh uploaded this video.
Watch the two playlist "The Salafilosophers", and "The Church of Naturalism" by Sheikh Dr. Abul Feda Ibn Masood, it will remove all of those doubts.
If you are not a Taalib al ilm=student of knowledge dont watch debates your puting your islam into risk!!!!!
@@user-rc8fn5we3h جزاك الله خيرا. I don't watch them, but the doubts somehow were more public. Still will be more careful In sha Allah.
@@1415J Yes akhi you should be very cautious because the doubt is not as shawaat ect so if you have doubts in your heart even a little bit like sheikh Saleh Al- Usaymi حفظه الله said you have to bring it to the scholars or treat it by listening to Scholars other wise it will grow in your heart and at last may lead to apostasy May الله protect us from that.
@@user-rc8fn5we3h Asalamualaikum akhi. I agree with your point about the treatment of doubts but have some doubts about avoiding doubts entirely (no pun intended). Wouldn't that be like putting yourself in an echo chamber like the Jews and Christians and believing blindly?
May Allah bless you protect you
Respect for Ustadh 🇵🇰 I really wanted to study in your madrassah In Sha Allah
Very educational video, helped me understand much
SubhanAllah
When is the next hot seat podcast coming out?
Ushtad Barak Allah feekum. Please a similar video specifically addressing the quboori proofs for isthigatha. I.e the hadiths they bring. Jazakum Allah khair.
Assalamualikum wrwb. May I get the reference abou imam Ibrahim an Nahī. Please check at 1:23 hour of this lectures timeline.
can anybody give me the link to the intoductory lines. They sound very beautiful
It's on the channel, the poem is laamiyah
Where can i get that shemagh from
2:38:11 spot on!
Is there a pdf for this
May Allah aza wa jaAllah give you and your team a good ending
اقترح موضوع عميق عن ردود ابن تيمية على فلاسفة اليونان من رسالاته وكتبه اعتقد اشهرها كتاب كشف الظنون
Finally
Does anyone have the full nasheed from the intro?
The poem is on the channel, it's called laamiyah ibn taymiyyah
Assalamu alaikum brothers. Please turn on subtitles for each video, not everyone speaks English. I'm Russian.
I don't think they have Russian subtitles.
Exactly
@@issaibnaziz9122 You are wrong. CZcams translates automatically, it is not difficult to enable this function when you post a video. They have a lot of subtitled lessons.
@@aishaiordani7759 the translation is not good. And this video in an advanced video. So it would not be wise to translate it without thorough checking
💯💯💯💯💯
Can you make this available to download as MP3?
It’s on the podcast
Great content. Thorough and interesting. Thank you and JZK.
I'll continue studying kalām, thank you very much.
You're IGNORANT. Are you jahmi or mutazili?
“there is not anyone upon the earth who says: Lā ilāha illallāh, wa Allohu akbar, wa lā ḥawla wa lā quwwata illā billāh,, except that his sins shall be pardoned, even if they were like the foam of the sea.”
قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم " مَا عَلَى الأَرْضِ أَحَدٌ يَقُولُ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ اللَّهُ وَاللَّهُ أَكْبَرُ وَلاَ حَوْلَ وَلاَ قُوَّةَ إِلاَّ بِاللَّهِ . إِلاَّ كُفِّرَتْ عَنْهُ خَطَايَاهُ وَلَوْ كَانَتْ مِثْلَ زَبَدِ الْبَحْرِ
I suggest providing reference and also some context whether this is general or after salah adhkar or whatever else may Allah reward you
@@FufuZ ameen
How can I join this colledge?
AMAU academy. Check the description. It should be there
14:45 تعریف ابن خلدون و الفرق بینه و بین التعریفات الباقیة
ایجی۔۔جرجانی۔۔تفتازانی۔۔۔تھانوی۔۔
موقف المتکلین من الاستدلال بالکتاب و السنة
التقاء
الغزو من الداخل
حرکة الترجمة (اصول المنطق للسیوطی)
الجھل بالکتاب و السنة
Considering joining the student of knowledge program, would appreciate some feedback from brothers currently enrolled jazakakumallahu khayran
i have it akhi, its very detailed, and comes in a great sequence where everything is organized, so its easy for you to absorb the information. I'd recommend you to get it akhee and benefit from the shiekh, and from sheikh Muhammed
@@liby254 jazakallahu khayran brother, is it just videos or are there reading materials?
@@liby254 jazakallahu khayran dear brother, insha'Allah i'll start it
So in summary we can say whatever goes against teaching of Allah and teaching of the prophet that we have to refused but ability of debating using logic in a prpoer way is not a problem, so but some people show all of pholosophy is not allowed rather than be specific what exactly we refused from philosophy and not just to refused it in toatality
New setup?
Various setups i assume. May Allah bless them
J 1:36:24 1:36:24
بارَكَ اللهُ فِيك يا استاذنا وجزاك ووفقك
اني لاحبك في الله
3:17:00
1:57:00
What about your debate against the people of Kalam?
Why is there a need for debate just read the book Naqd Uthman Abu Sa'id Ad-Darimi ala Bishr al-Marisi al-Jahmi inda fima iftara ala Allah fi at-Tawheed, and the book Kitab as-Sunnah of Imam Harb bin Ismail al-Karmani Kitab.
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته شيخنا.
Is it possible to make a video about what exactly it is that was taken from the Greeks and other religions that developed into ilm ul kalam. For example these philosophical premises and necessary مقدمات and specific line of logical reasoning. I have always wondered what these are so that I can see exactly in the ashaaira and maaturidiya today where they have these concepts in their reasoning. I'd love to know the exact things that were taken, I am unable to find lectures on this, only the general mentions that ideas were taken from Greek theologians but I think it would be very beneficial to understand exactly what evil was taken from the phalaasifa to debunk the modern day ahlul kalam like for example the exact origin of the mawlid and why it was introduced (being from the faatimids and it was introdcued along with many other mawaleed) really helps to debunk any legitimacy to the mawlid. So if you could please share this with us in future episodes بارك الله فيكم
Mawlid has very little to do with the subject of kalam, it has to do with usul al-fiqh.
I know it's not related to ilm ul kalam. I was just using it as an example to show how knowing exactly what the origins of something are can help with being able to debunk its legitimacy
السلام عليكم ورحمه الله وبركاته ustad...........I din get the word mutakallimeen.......what is the meaning of mutakallimeen? جزاك الله خيرا
بارك الله فيك
The people of kalam basically
@@IamMahirUddinok so....the people of kalaam are those who use logic and reasoning to do da'wah right?......... Over the revealed text.
@@abdurrahman24434 By logic, they mean the Greek logic, or the school of scepticism, or it is also called formal logic or Nazr al-Mantaqi, their are a slight difference between them, but the great bulk overlap with each other. Contrast this thing with sound logic. The word "logic" is present in the terms, but, there is a world of difference between them.
@@MuhammadAli-mz4pq wahabi alert.
Is the hand of allah ممكن الوجود or واجب الوجود ?
@@radirandom133 Jahmi alert. Read the book Naqd Uthman Abu Sa'id Ad-Darimi ala Bishr al-Marisi al-Jahmi inda fima iftara ala Allah fi at-Tawheed.
Ilm ul Kalam is an important part of understanding the creed and answer the non Muslim world.... Imam abu hanifa was the strictest in shariyah...
The sahabah understood the creed better than us and they didn’t have any Ilm ul kalam
Come on, 3 hour lecture & you're still on your this (sorry to say) "Garbage opinion" of using Ilm al Kalam?
Either you choose Quran w Sunnah or Ilm al-Kalam, both are opposites.
Did you even watch? Did you note down points? The lecture is completely against what you said
@@ElnurMuhammad Well said, Akhi ❤️
@@ElnurMuhammad I have watched this lecture almost 3x 😂❤️
Mashallah Abdurahaman❤️ He’s literally Quoting from there own book from there own predecessors book, the salaf of philosophers like ibn Khaldun, Al-Iji, Jurjani and taftazani…etc. The kalamiyyin of our time has no answer for this lecture 😂😂 coz everything is taken from there predecessors book 😂🤦🏽♂️
You missed the best one from ibn ul hummam al hanafi
My bookmark 54:06
Do we follow Athari or Salafi Aqeedah then?
Follow what Allah and His prophet said. Allah told us that our name is 'Muslim', so that should suffice you.
They both refer to the same thing. The aqeedah of the salaf is seen by looking at the Āthār (narrations)
Same thing
Could you explain why you did not take the definition of ilm al-kalam as ilm al-aqa'id which is based upon quran and sunnah as mentioned by as-Safarini and others:
وعلم الكلام هو علم يقتدر معه على إثبات العقائد الدينية أي المنسوبة إلى دين النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم - وإن لم تكن مطابقة للواقع ; لعدم إخراج الخصم من المعتزلة والجهمية ، والقدرية والجبرية ، والكرامية وغيرهم ، عن أن [ ص: 5 ] يكون من علماء الكلام ، وإن خطأناه أو كفرناه . ( وقيل ) : تعريف علم الكلام الذي هو التوحيد وأصول الدين : العلم بالعقائد الدينية عن الأدلة اليقينية ، أي العلم بالقواعد الشرعية الاعتقادية المكتسبة من أدلتها اليقينية ،
Mohammed Hijab - I have extensively studied the materials put forward by him in exhaustive details. I'd be interested to know Shaykh's impression of him, particularly because I have never seen Mohammed Hijab use Kalam for Aqidah-related discussions ever. He never uses Kalam to explain the attributes of Allah, rather from his discourses with atheists at Speakers' Corner - I understood clearly that, Ash'ari positions on attributes of Allah are not even philosophically coherent!!!
He uses Kalam/philosophy to defeat the academic atheists or agnostics on their own grounds - who try to entangle speech and attempt to present the case against the existence of Allah or His attributes or the possibility of the existence of this universe without a Creator.
It seems like Abdul Rahman Hassan has distanced himself away from Mohammed Hijab.
Originally, ARH appeared on Mohammed Hijab’s podcast, but then some time later, Mohammed Hijab made some video criticizing him for conflating Kalam with philosophy (rational argumentation) and even called him out to discuss the issue.
MH said that he’s reached out to ARH, but ARH seems distant.
What makes me shocked is that people who corrupt their fitrah by studying began philosophy to understand aqidah call us,the people who fellow the quran,the sunnah on the understanding of the salaf kufaar and deviants not only did they call us bad names but they also butchered and killed the ahlu assunah in many places in the Muslim lands and forced the Muslim ummah to except kufaar philosophy as a must.
U mean 90 percent of scholarship
@@radirandom133
90 percent or majority is NOT a proof.
Also these 90 percent ( Asharis) belief the Qur'an is created.
Search
Saeed Fodeh "Qur'an created"
Hamza Yusuf "Qur'an created"
Ilm ul kalam led the Mutazilah to belief the "Qur'an is created".
Ilm ul kalam has also led the Asharis to believe the "Qur'an is created"
@@Hashim_Naysapuri
That video is literally from Jake the muslim metaphysician.
I think their positions were misrepresented regards to if the quran is created or not.
Also, even if they did say such things. It wouldn't prove the all asharis or maturidis say that in that way.
I follow the creed of Abu mansoor al maturidi and the nasafi creed is the popular text to study .
@@radirandom133
I NEVER mentioned "Jake metaphysician"
I said Saeed Fodeh and Hamza Yusuf clearly mentioning that they believe the "Qur'an is created"
Also Asharis scholars have said so too.
@@Hashim_Naysapuri I saw the video and I think there was some misrepresentation.
Whio are you sheikh internet ibn laymen
to refute people higher than your grade
No aqeeda without Aathaar
I enjoy watching this video but I’m not 100% against Ilm al-Kalam still. If it wasn’t for the scholars that learned this tradition there would be no way *or a really tough time* debating the philosophers and Mu’tazila of the time 🤷🏾♂️
That is a big lie. Read the book Naqd Uthman Abu Sa'id Ad-Darimi ala Bishr al-Marisi al-Jahmi inda fima iftara ala Allah fi at-Tawheed. And observe how the Imam of this Dunya burned the Madhab of the Ahul-Kalam, and buried them and their false claim to intellectualism to their grave.
Imam Ahmed refuted the Mutazilah.
He didn't NOT use Ilm ul kalam.
Also scholars from the Salaf as Saleh warned against Ilm ul kalam.
Mu’tazilah are actually easy as they go against basic things like createdness of Quran and these kinds of things but Asha’irah are more secretive.
When will be debate us on the Sifaat of Allah ﷻ. We've made this challenge years ago and are still waiting
Debating is not the bath of seeking guidance but discussion is. If you want to debate, go and debate with people desire..
Just read the book Naqd Uthman Abu Sa'id Ad-Darimi ala Bishr al-Marisi al-Jahmi inda fima iftara ala Allah fi at-Tawheed.
What's the point of a debate when last time asrar rasheed was running away from answering questions.
And at the very end of the debate he brought weak hadiths.
@@MuhammadAli-mz4pqsub han Allah what a book by Imam Daarimi. Reading it now
@@pearlsofadaab So, what is your review of the book, till now? The author demolished the pride of the Ahul-Kalam, which they have regarding Logic. He exposed them, and showed what sound logic looks like. Truly, the Ahul-Bidah are very afraid of him, and Imam Ibn Khuzaymah.
لا يفلح صاحب كلام
is this Brother Ahle hadith scholar , if so his using very little Quran and hadiths , His using to disprove asharies with the saying of past scholars , My question is are the views of these scholars being authenticated and preseved like Quran and sunnah is , second question is this brother is always at the attack mode of people who have different views than his ahle hadith teachings , is he blind to the fact there are so many other new issues in the world like a man claiming to be women etc , seceterian is haram in islam
seek knowledge, and you will come to understand the dangers of 'different views from ahlul hadith'.
He is just a muqallid, he does not understand the topics he is discussing.
The answer is through ISNAD. And read the book Naqd of Uthman Abu Sa'id Ad-Darimi al-Bishr al-Marisi al-Jahmi inda fima iftara ala Allah fi at-Tawheed.
@@SIGSEGV1337go read a book for the first time in your life
@@samohamed3624 not an argument
May Allah save the ummah from the spread of this fitnah/falsehood/misguidance of these people who say these things about Ilm Al Kalaam. May Allah protect, have mercy on, and raise the ranks of the hundreds and thousands of scholars from past and present who studied, affirmed, taught, defended and spread Ilm Al Kalaam in the correct way, upon the Qur'an and Sunnah of Nabi S.
This make no sense. Talking about those scholars saying they don’t even know Buhari and so on show clearly he didn’t read the books of this great scholars. Just look at the book of imam Al ghazali; kimyayi saadet. He is using not only Hadith but Quran as well to explain things. I heard many things that are incorrect. Those ulema are the ulema form Ahlu sunnah. Those people are not only the closest to the prophet and the the 3 generations but are accepted as big scholars in alhu sunnah. Just look at how many volumes each scholar produced books, it is more pages than Al your CZcams minutes together. This is ridiculous!! Have some respected read there work and not books that talk about them. Just read the book of beduizamam said nursi a great ashari scholar! Amazing book called risale Nur. Imam ghazali also great scholar amazing books. Those ulema defended the Quran and sunnah like no other!
Athari creed (the creed of the Sahaabah) was orginally the creed which made it clear you were Ahlu Hadeeth (a person who stuck to hadeeth narrations and disregard Ilm al-Kalaam).
They were originally those who opposed to the innovations of the Qadariyyah, the Jahmiyyah, the Mu’tazilah, the Kharamiyyah, the Jabriyyah, the Khawarij, the Murji’ah and the Shia (Twelvers, Zadis and Ismailis).
However after the Khullabiyyah split from them and began mixing Athari creed with Kalam. Dividing Allahs attributes into dhaatiyyah and filiyyah in order to reject filiyyah attributes (attributes tied to Allah’s will and power lsuch as istiwaa, nuzool, love, pleasure, anger and so on) with rational arguments. But they affirmed sifaat dhaatiyyah (attributes of his essence - a face, two hands, two eyes) with textual evidences not rational evidences.
Later out of this school developed Ashʿariyyah who rejected sifaat dhaatiyyah (attributes of Allahs essence - a face, two hands, two eyes) and sifaat filiyyah attributes (attributes tied to Allah’s will and power such as istiwaa, nuzool, love, pleasure, anger and so on) based on rational arguments.
At the same time a very similar creed to Ashʿariyyah developed known as Maturidiyyah who also rejected the same names and attributes as the Ashʿariyyah with rational arguments.
These three groups split from the Athari creed mixing the creed with Kalam.
So the Athari creed (around 350 AH) after these developments became known as a rejection of these creeds as well as a rejection of the Qadariyyah, the Jahmiyyah, the Mu’tazilah, the Kharamiyyah, the Jabriyyah, the Khawarij, the Murji’ah and the Shia (Twelvers, Zadis and Ismailis).
The Athari creed from the time of Imam Ahmad was associated with mainly Hanbali fiqh although before 350AH there were many Shafi and Maliki Athari scholars (even some Hanafi scholars).
Today those who hold this creed identify as Salafi (forget saying Wahabis, Madkhalis etc that's nonsense that does not need to be uttered here).
..........
Maturidi - Abu Mansur al-Maturidi (853-944 CE) 238AH - 333AH:
This creed spreed mainly due to the Ottoman sultans and the Mughal Empire adopting the Hanafi madhab and the Maturidi creed.
They spread both mostly in Central Asia (Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan etc.), India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and China. Both the creed and the madhab spread in Persia before the Safavid conversion to Shiaism in the 16th century.
The name Maturidi came after the death of Abu Mansur al-Maturidi.
This creed came out of a mixture of the Athari creed & Ilm al-Kalaam (of the Jahmiyyah, Mu’tazilah & Kullaabiyyah).
.........
Ashʿariyyah - Abu al-Ḥasan al-Ashʿari (874-936 CE/260-324 AH)
They spread via the Nizamiya system in the 11th Century under the Seljuk Empire, which was based on Shafi'i fiqh and Ashʿariyyah creed. This was spread into Iran before Shia conversion, Iraq and later into Sham, Andalus and North Africa. However while the creed moved into Sham, Andalus and North Africa the followers began adopting the Maliki madhab instead of the Shafi madhab.
This creed came out of a mixture of the Athari creed, Ilm al-Kalaam (of the Kullaabiyyah), Jabriyyah in Qadr and Murji’ah in regards to iman.
Also their is a misconception about some of the so called early Ashʿaris. The early Ashʿaris were not Ashʿari at all but were in fact Khullabi upon the creed of Abdullaah ibn Saeed Ibn Kullaab, al-Qattaan, al-Basree. He died some time after 240AH - 241AH (854 - 855 CE).
This creed differed with the Ashʿariyyah mainly over the affirmation of: Allah being above his throne with his essence, as well affirming sifaat dhaatiyyah (attributes of his essence - a face, two hands, two eyes) without taweel, tafweedh, takyeef, tashbeeh and tateel. They affirm this with textual evidences not aqli (rationalise evidences). The later Ashʿariyyah deny these attributes.
Abdul-Malik al-Juwayni (d. 478H), known as Imam ul-Haramaynal-Juwayni, was the first early Ashari (Khullabis) who started to leave the the creed of the Khullabis and incline towards a mixed creed of Jahmiyyah and Mutazilah (present day Ashʿariyyah).
The founding individuals (mentioned by name above) of each movement - Khullabiyyah, Ashariyyah and the Maturidiyyah were not strong in hadeeth and split from the circles of Ahlu Hadeeth of their times.
Ilm ul kalam prohibited
That's the way daees use in speaker's corner ...
Philosophy is a tool like usul al fiqh. The Hadiths and Quran are treasure mines, and to extract from these mines you need proper tools. In fiqh, you cannot just derive rulings straight away, you must establish principles with which you derive rules from Quran and Ahadith. Philosophy is important because it is a tool in which one can properly understand the Quran without attributing to God things like having a body. Philosophy helps one find out the correct theology without making foolish mistakes and wrong conclusions that end up insulting Allah and attributing multiplicity to him, which is an existential weakness that Allah is free from.
A few instances of philosophy being wrongly used does not discredit the entire thing. People of philosophy are not ppl of desires, they are rational individuals who can build up arguments logically. If you throw logic out of the window, not only are arguments invalid, but ppl will not take a person seriously who cannot logically substantiate their arguments. The religion is not negligent of logic, therefore if someone derives a conclusion and cannot logically prove it, they aren't allowed to just say, oh this is what the text says, because then they're putting the blame on the texts for their own lack of understanding and their perverse conclusions. Philosophy is a tool that must be used in line with Quran and sunnah. It is possible using philosophy by itself to come up with conclusions that are non-Islamic, and that's why philosophy is applied onto the text rather than used by itself in the same way principles of fiqh are applied to ahadith to come up with a pleasing ruling to Allah.
The consensus narrated by ibnu Abdul bar about the people of kalam has no legs to stand on. Some of the greatest fuqah and Usulis in madhab of imam Shafi'i are also Ulama of kalam.
😂😂😂😂😂
If you can’t explain a topic simply and clearly you don’t know what you’re on about ? Ooooh secret knowledge for the “students”
If you want a topic as complex as Ilm al Kalaam and its history to be condensed into a 10 minute clip, then this is not the subject for you.
Why don't pause and reflect one second ? Why is it that Ibn Khaldun affirmed what he affirmed concerning the definition of 'ilm ul kalam ? He saw the globality of the ummah and saw that they all agree upon that. You can fight ashari and maturidi as long as you want, you cannot defeat them because the ummah agreed upon them !
That is grossly wrong. Read the book Naqd Uthman Abu Sa'id Ad-Darimi ala Bishr al-Marisi al-Jahmi inda fima iftara ala Allah fi at-Tawheed. How did the Ummah agree upon them when the scholars in Allah ages made Takfeer on them.
Verily the books of the Salaf, and those who follow their way is an anchor at the hearts and the head of the Ahul-Kalam.
If you want to read a book on Ijmah on the Atiqad of the Salaf, than read the book Kitab as-Sunnah of Imam Harb Bin Ismail al-Karmani (d 280 A.H).
@@MuhammadAli-mz4pq i read the Aqidah tahawiya, it is enough to show that this darimi is wrong and clearly an anthropomorphist. (not the other on whom there is agreement). Not every single person born before the 3th century is a salaf salih. As you are aware, a lot of sects has borned in between those 3 centuries. I know you want to be kind with me but facts are tenascious. There is consensus on asharis, maturidis and non anthropomorphists atharis.
@@themyst1354 As for you statement " i read the Aqidah tahawiya". I also read at-Tahawiyyah, and I know the way you read it, because I in the past I also was a Sufi, and I know what non-sense the Ahul-Kalam insert when they read that book, and try to use the ambiguous statement of the Imam but are still refuted by the Salafis on that.
Your statement "darimi is wrong and clearly an anthropomorphist" this is an absolute lie, and utter extremism on your part, no one from the Salaf as-Salih accused Imam Darimi of Tajseem, that is a lie. In fact the scholars have said about him.
Imam Ibn Hibbān mentioned him in “Ath-Thuqāt” and said: “One of the leaders in dunyā. He narrates from Abū Al-Walīd and the people of ‘Irāq.”
Imam Abū ‘Uthmān As-Sābūnī narrated, with this chain of narration, from Qutaybah ibn Sa’īd that he said in the end of his “Kitāb Al-Īmān”: “So if you see a man who loves Sufyān Ath-Thawrī, Mālik ibn Anas, Al-Awzā’ī - and he mentioned a number of the leaders - then know that he is a follower of the Sunnah.” Then Abū ‘Uthmān As-Sābūnī said: “And I added Qutaybah - rahimahullāh - to those whom he mentioned (and said) that whoever loves them, then he is a follower of the Sunnah. From the leaders of the people of hadīth - those who take them (i.e. the previously mentioned leaders) as an example, follow their guidance, consider themselves to be from their group and followers and who takes their adhering to their narrations seriously - is another group. Among them are: Muhammad ibn Idrīs Ash-Shāfi’ī…” And he mentioned a number of the leaders, and among them ‘Uthmān ibn Sa’īd.
You are an Ignoramus of the fact that Imam Darimi, refuted the claim of Tajseem ages ago in his books, because that is what your brother in faith the Mutuzillah said against the Ashab ul-Hadith, and he bulldozed them, and buried them in their graves intellectually.
And I know what you call Tajseem based on the principles of the author of categories, your Imam Aristotle and Imam Plato.
As for your statement "Not every single person born before the 3th century is a salaf salih. As you are aware, a lot of sects has borned in between those 3 centuries", than that is presumed to be known.
As for your statement " I know you want to be kind with me but facts are tenascious", than said by the one who is ignoramus about the books of the Salaf, on Atiqad.
As for your statement "There is consensus on asharis, maturidis and non anthropomorphists atharis", that that is utter non-sense, no Ashab ul-Hadith is a Mujassim, that is a bogus lie of the Ahul-Kalam, refuted by many Imams of the Salaf. Also, how can their be an Ijmah when Imam Ibn Battah, Yaha ibn Ammar, Imam Abil Barr, Imam Abu Ismail al-Harawi al-Ansari made Takfeer on the Ashariyyah, and other than them. The Ahul-Athar has never recognized the Ahul-Kalam to be upon guidance, your utterance is nothing but based on ignorance. If you want to know the Ijmah of the Salaf as-Salih on Atiqad than read the book Kitab As-Sunnah of Imam Harb bin Ismail al-Karmani, read the book of Imam Darimi with an open heart and put your ilm ul-Kalam, and throw it at the dustbin.
Someone give me a TLDR. What on earth is Ilm al Kalam. Don’t wanna watch 3 hours
Dont watch its better for you if you dont know in shaa Allah baarak Allahu feek
what kind of comment is this? odd person
Then this video is not for you
@@abumukhtaar3845 I agree with you brother
When does rational arguments that you say is allowed becomes Ilm Kalam? If you say it is 'if the conclusion doesn't contradict the Qur'an and Sunnah' ? Welcome to Ahlu sunnah waljamah (Ashari/Maturidi)
Firstly it is sound intellect. Sound intellect doesn’t contradict the sahih nas. So it is not rational arguments. Our aqidah is not taken from arguments. It is only taken from the nas and no way did the Ustaz mention that we take our aqidah from rational arguments rather that’s what the salaf are against and the reason this video is being made in the first place.
Secondly sound intellect leads towards the Quran and the Sunnah.
Thirdly it doesn’t become ‘ilm kalam because ‘ilm kalam abstract ‘aqidah solely from the intellect whereas the methodology of the salaf is to use the intellect in accepting the nas and take ‘aqidah solely from the nas because the ‘aql has affirm it in the first place so believing in the nas after accepting it through our sound mind and not distorting the nas because it doesn’t go with the ‘aql which is actually base on a certain set of rules set by the philosophers and adapted by the mutakallimin when that is actually not the sound intellect and it goes against the fitrah.
Fourthly: ‘Ilm kalam is haram, so how then suddenly we are using ‘Ilm kalam? To add on as previously mentioned that our Aqeedah is not derive from rational arguments rather it is taken from the dalil. Dalil first then our intellect follows that dalil. Quran and Sunnah are logical, it doesn’t go against the sound mind and the fitrah (natural inclination). In the Quran Allah mentioned logical arguments. That logical arguments are what we call adillah syariyyah aqliyyah and that’s what we follow. We don’t invent a new ‘aql that is not mentioned in the Quran and the Hadith. Because ‘aql is subjective, it changes from one to the other but what is mentioned in Al-Quran is the complete truth protected by Allah ‘Azza wa Jalla.
The fifth: It is not about the conclusion, it’s about the methodology. Using ‘ilm kalam which is haram will never lead to a right conclusion because ‘ilm kalam is base on intellect originated from the Greeks which is not in line with the sound mind hence it’s not rational and it is corrupted. The rational arguments that you claim is actually distorted arguments which go against the rational arguments mentioned in the Nas. The salaf they surrender their intellect and use it to obey the Quran and the Sunnah and accept it because that’s the limit of the ‘aql. The salaf didn’t use ‘ilm kalam which is the logic of the Greek who are non believers and came before our prophet. So we take the logic of the non believers from the Greek and make that as our foundation and call their arguments as rational and we leave what Allah and His messenger said and the sound mind of the salaf. That’s the problem of ‘ilm kalam and why the salaf hate it.
There is no such thing as becoming an Asy’ari or a Maturidi with this.
@@muhammadlutfurrahman7642 Speaking of The Ghaib/Unseen, you say no one can know it, then proceed to affirm the literal meaning, you can refute Ilm Kalam all you want and make a big fuss over something you can't define, in the end it doesn't lead to the Salafi Aqeedah, if you don't want to speculate about the ghaib, why don't you do Tafwid like the Hanbalis
@@muhammadlutfurrahman7642 "Sound intellect that doesn't contradict the sahih.." , "sound" according to who, I can show you how the Salafi Aqeedah contradict the sahih. Take for instance, did God created the Arsh, the water below it? if yes, from what did He create it? If no, then are the uncreated?
The truth is in the details
@@africandawahrevivalThe only way to know the Ghaib is from the nas hence ‘aql doesn’t have any role but to adhere to what the nas said. That’s the whole concept of believe and that’s what we are tested by in this world; to believe or not. Affirming the literal meaning is affirming the nas, to change it you need evidence for that and since the ‘aql can only adhere the ‘aql can’t change what it doesn’t know from the Ghaib. The nas of the Quran is qat’ie, is authentic, mutawatir (mass transmition) whereby it strengthens it even more, qat’ie tsubut and dilalah. The nas 100% exist 100% true and protected by Allah Himself. Using it as an evidence in its literal meaning it is what the sahabah agreed upon. It is ijma’ whereby it’s dilalah can’t be broken. Even before the ijma’ the dalil is clear cut. The ‘asl (main hukum) for the nas is by its (zahir) literal meaning unless there is evidence that show otherwise. The ‘aql can’t be an evidence for ghaibiyyat hence using ‘aql to do ta’weel for the evidence is wrong. Add on to that it is agreed by the sahabah and the salaf. So there is no other meaning other than understanding it by the language that it was revealed in which is the Arabic. The dalil for that is many as how Allah mentioned Himself that the Quran is revealed in clear Arabic.
@@africandawahrevival Sound according to the ijma’ of the salaf vs sound according to the Greek non believers adapted by Muslims.
At least Abdur Rahman is consistent. Have you guys seen the Wahabi philosophers?? 😂
You mean people who disagree with the insane kalami view of metaphysics?
Just read the book Naqd of Uthman Abu Sa'id Ad-Darimi ala Bishr al-Marisi al-Jahmi inda fima iftara ala Allah fi at-Tawheed.
@@trickystuff5972 " Ohhh look at me, I follow the quran and sunnah. Bidah bidah bidah.
"
Shut your mouth up.
Just arrogance.
@@radirandom133
Considering the Salaf as Saleh viewed Ilm ul kalam as bidah.
Alhamdulillah we are on the right path.
@@Hashim_Naysapuri I'm tired of discussing these topics with very laymen who are beginners and think they are someone to refute entire scholars.
I keep telling u that there are many definitions of ilmul kalam and we don't define it to say as the other groups.
Equivocation fallacy
Wahhabism opposes every philosophy except their own unfounded philosophy
Please warn every Salafi daee to stay away from our Ilm Kalam arguments, because if we catch you making 'rational' arguments or engaging in any rational speculation, we will call you out
Their is a difference between rational argument and using Greek premises in affirming a creator. Read the book Naqd Uthman Abu Sa'id Ad-Darimi ala Bishr al-Marisi al-Jahmi inda fima iftara ala Allah fi at-Tawheed, and just look how he intellectually burned the Madhab of the Ahul-Kalam.
The issue is when you use Ilm ul kalam to define the unseen.
I am sure you guys don't know what you are talking about, I agree that anything that contradicts the Qur'an must be rejected whether Greek or not, show me something I. Greek philosophy that the Asharis take that contradicts the Qur'an and show me the ones that don't
@@africandawahrevival
Asharis are based on ilm ul kalam.
The Salaf as Saleh were against Ilm ul kalam.
@@Hashim_Naysapuri what is Ilm Kalam exactly, let me ask you this, are the following propositions part of it too:
1. A thing is identical to itself (law of identity)
2. A thing cannot be and not be simultaneously (law of non-contradiction)
When you guys say you are in support of rational arguments, I wonder what that is exactly
The so called present Asharies in the madhabs of imam shafi , imam Abu hanifa and imam malik regard the Salafi or Ahle hadiths as the offshoots of khawarij , Hence they can use the same references and views from exactly the same scholars to refute the salafis as being from khawarij , So when you link Asharis and Maturidis as jahmi or muatazilas , They can do the same , A coin has two sides so no secetrian in islam no king or sponsor of salafi ideology would go to our grave with you , so be careful
The proof of being a Khawarij is in the substance, and the claim must be assessed and verified. As for the bulldozing of the Madhabs of the Ahul-Kalam than Just read the book Naqd Uthman Abu Sa'id Ad-Darimi ala Bishr al-Marisi al-Jahmi inda fima iftara ala Allah fi at-Tawheed. And the book Dham wa Kalam wa Aklihi. So, of course the way of the Ashab ul-Hadith is the saved ways, and other deviant groups, will not suffice. And you are calling it "Hizbiyah", whilst the way of the Mouhadithseen of the Salaf is the first Madhab, and the first Manhaj, and the first Aqeedah, as Imam Uthman Abu Sa'id Ad-Darimi has said in his book Naqd. Also, read the book Kitab as-Sunnah of Imam Harb bin Ismail al-Karmani, that is the book on the Ijmah on the Atiqad of the Salaf.
Also, the Ashariyyah, and the Maturidiyyah, have rarely ever put up any reasonable arguments to refute the Salafi, most of the Khawarij claims where made by Nabahani, Ibn Jarees, Dahlan, Muhammad al-bakri, abu hiraz, and the rest of them, just copy paste it. And these where refuted ages ago. For a refutation of the Khawarij read the book (a) Al-Shariah of Imam Ajjuri, (b) Al-Ibanna al-Kubra + Sugrah of Imam Ibn Battah al-Ukberi, and (c) Kitab As-Sunnah of Imam Abi Assim, etc.
@@abukarali2966 What a big Jahil Murakab you are.
First of all Karamiyyah are Murjiyyah in their Atiqad, and they don't affirm the attributes according to how the Mouhadithseen of the Salaf affirmed them like Imam Uthman Abu Sa'id Ad-Darimi, Imam Harb bin Ismail al-Karmani, Imam Al-Humaydhi, Imam Muhammad Ismail al-Bukahri, etc. They also have Rafidhi tendencies. So what a great liar you are.
Your claim that Ashariyyah being 98% is utter nonsense, has no place in reality, just a feeble of your imagination, all the Mouhadithseen of the Salaf, and the 4 popular imams of fiqh and other than them the Mujtahid Mutlaq scholars from the likes of Abdullah Ibn Mubarak, Hammad bin Zayd, Al-Awzai, Imam Abi Dawood the son of Imam Abu Dawood and other than them where all Salafi in their Atiqad. Just read the books of the Salaf on Atiqad. just read the 5 books that I have mentioned, read them, which are stuck as an anchor at the hearts and heads of the Ahul-Kalam, Read them and see how your entire Madhab burns.
Also, your claim that we follow Sheikh Muhammad is also a lie we don't follow him, rather we follow the Imams from Mouhadithseen of the Salaf, and Sheikh Muhammad was just a scholar from a long chain of lines of the scholars of the Ashab ul-Hadith, you only mention his name because you are an ignoramus about the other.
Also, refuting your claim, that Sheikh Muhammad said, that Muslims were worse than Abu Jahil, that is a lie that you have attributes against he never said that to a Muslim, he said that to those pagans from your friends that asked other than Allah through the Dead, and not the permissible Tawasul, and rather it is not him, but it is Allah and his messenger who have made Takfir of those people. And the scholars who preceded him on that are many read the Book Tafseer al-Baghwai, Tafseer Ibn Khateer, and Kitab At-Tawheed of Imam Mandah.
Your claim that there is not a single Sanad of Hadith except that the Rijal in it is affect by the poison of the Ahul-Kalam, than that is also Complete nonsense.
We link Asharis to Mutazilah because the Asharis belief the "Qur'an is created"
Search
Saeed Fodeh "Qur'an created"
Hamza Yusuf "Qur'an created"
@@abukarali2966
The Salaf as Saleh were against Ilm ul kalam.
Because Ilm ul kalam led to Mutazilah to belief the "Qur'an is created"
Asharis also believe the"Qur'an is created"
Search
Saeed Fodeh "Qur'an created"
Hamza Yusuf "Qur'an created"