Dawahmen using Philosophy, Logic and Kalam ?!
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Is the use of rational proofs a part of the Salaf methodology?
Ibn Taymiyyah says:
“فإنَّ أحمدَ لم ينهَ عن نظرٍ في دليلٍ عقليٍّ صحيح يُفضي إلى المطلوب، بل في كلامه في أصول الدين في الرد على الجهمية وغيرهم من الاحتجاج بالأدلة العقلية على فسادِ قولِ المخالفين للسنة ما هو معروف في كتبه وعند أصحابه ..
والمقصود أن أحمد يستدل بالأدلة العقلية على المطالب الإلهية إذا كانت صحيحة، إنما يذم ما يخالف الكتاب والسنة، أو الكلام بلا علم، والكلام المبتدع في الدين ..
وهو لا يكره - إذا عرف معاني الكتاب والسنة - أن يعبر عنها بعبارات أخرى إذا احتيج إلى ذلك، بل هو قد فعل ذلك، بل يكره المعاني المبتدعة في هذا، أي فيما خاض الناس فيه - من الكلام في القرآن والرؤية والقدر والصفات - لا بما يوافق الكتاب والسنة وآثار الصحابة والتابعين”
درء تعارض العقل والنقل، ١٥٣/٧
“Ahmad b. Hanbal didn’t forbid one from looking into sound rational evidences that fulfils [the goal] that is wanted.
Rather in his words concerning the fundamentals of the religion in [the book] Al Radd ‘Ala Al Jahmiyyah and other works you will find his usage of sound rational proofs to expose the invalidity of the statements of the opposing side that which is well known in his books and from his companions.
The intent here is that Ahmad uses rational proofs in those matters pertaining to the Divine on condition that these rational proofs are sound But Ahmad only disliked & criticised the [rational proofs] that go against the Qur’an and Sunnah or speaking without knowledge and the speech of the innovator regarding the religion.
And he does not dislike, if one knows the meanings of the Quran and Sunnah, that he expresses [these meanings] using a different style if that is what’s required.
Indeed, he (ie Ahmad) did this himself!!
What he (ie Ahmad) disliked was the innovated meanings in this [the innovated rational “proofs”] i.e. that which the people [Ahlul Kalam] delved into with speech regarding the Qur’an, the seeing of Allah, the Divine Decree and Allah’s attributes that does not conform to the Qur’an, Sunnah and Aathaar of the Sahaba and the Tabi’een”
I say:
If you’ve read the book الرد على الجهمية you will appreciate what Ibn Taymiyyah is saying about Ahmad.
This shows that this blanket prohibition of logic & use of rational proofs that some claimants to Ibn Taymiyyah & Ahmad today assert is not in line with what Ibn Taymiyyah & Ahmad did & thought.
Alhamdullilah, yep 'rational' proof there's that which goes against the meaning of the Quran and sunnah, then there's rational proof which conforms to the authentic meaning.
Yup, concerning Allahs attributes, this is where the Ash'arites, mutazziltes and etc fell into.
Al-Bahooti said in "Kashshaaf al-Qinā’" (3/34):"وعكس العلوم الشرعية علوم محرمة أو مكروهة ، فالمحرمة كعلم الكلام ) إذا تكلم فيه بالمعقول المحض , أو المخالف للمنقول الصريح الصحيح . فإن تكلم فيه بالنقل فقط , أو بالنقل والعقل الموافق له , فهو أصل الدين وطريقة أهل السنة ، وهذا معنى كلام الشيخ تقي الدين , وفي حاشيته : ما فيه كفاية في ذلك . ( و ) كعلم ( الفلسفة والشعبذة والتنجيم , والضرب بالرمل والشعير , وبالحصى , و ) كعلم ( الكيمياء , وعلوم الطبائعيين" )
The opposite of shar’iah knowledge is knowledge that is harām or makrooh. Harām knowledge is like ‘ilm al-kalām in which they argue on the basis of pure reason or speak in a manner that contradicts sound, unambiguous reports. If they speak on the basis of reports only or on the basis of texts and rational thought that is in accordance with them, then this is the basis of religion and the way of ahl al-sunnah. This is what is meant by the words of Shaykh Taqiy (Ibn Taymiyyah) al-Deen. In his commentary he explains that even better. [Harām knowledge also includes] philosophy, magic (sleight of hand), astrology and geomancy, as well as alchemy and natural sciences."
@@DrJames_YT In other words, special pleading.
Language directly stands in correspondence to mathematics and thus becomes a logical subject.
There is no other comprehensive way, other than reasoning.
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john 3:16-21
"for God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. this is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposes. but whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God."
and romans 10:9-13
"if you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord" and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. for it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. as scripture says, "anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame. "for there is no difference between Jew and Gentile - the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on Him, for, "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
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I laughed and they said "can't you be modest"
I cried and they said "why don't you smile?"
I smiled and they said "he's a show off"
I frowned and they said "i started showing my true colors"
I was silent and they said i had a feeble tongue
When i spoke they said i was too talkative
When i was tolerant they called it cowardice
And said, had I been brave, i would have taken a revenge
When i showed up some courage they said it was rash & reckless
And i wouldn't have behaved so if i were balanced.
When I said NO they considered me odd,
When i agreed with them, they called me a blind follower
So it became certain, that no matter how hard i try,
Pleasing People will bring nothing but criticism.
From the poetry of Imam ash shafiee
@The Sahel Subhanallah.. Its you,.. U r right bro, i just copied it, coz this was so profound.. 🥰
@The Sahel Jazakallahu Khair...Do put comments like this brother, these does make an impact on the heart ❤️
I love this poem, it sounds way better in Arabic, the original version. ضحكت فقالوا الا تحتشم.
A really good poem indeed
@@ahmedesam5024 😂 me too
This is why definitions are so important
Absolutely! Many arguments can be dealt with incredibly easy if definitions are robust and consistent.
You haven't finished watching the video..Right, Subhoor?
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Wow,its an honour to become the fourth comment reply here.
@@jasimjaleel2295 Subboor doesn't need to finish the video. Lol.
It is true that philosophy is not completly haram, but one shut not go extreme with it. The quran and the sunnah provides the best arguments and refutations against every false belief and the quran itself contains logical arguments. What Abdulrahman Hassan said was true, some people who give dawah are ignorant about the quran and hardly quote from it anymore. In stead they quote these weird greek philosophers or scientists
Most Philosophies and Sciences are FROM ISLAM. Secularism/Atheism in essence in an attempt at disapproving Allah through scientific facts provided BY ALLAH in the Quran! Hence they fail 🤣 They may have the facts right but the goal is amiss…
Philosophy gave birth to all sciences. Aristotle gave birth to biology, Jabir ibn hayyan to chemistry, Archimedes modern mathematics and so forth. All of these sciences were created by philosophers to come to more sound conclusions about questions about cosmos or our nature.
The branch of philosophy that is haram is mostly (not entirely) metaphysics which questions god. Islamic philosophy is limited to the universe. In other words, question the universe, how it's created, how it works but not god. Because it can lead you to shirk.
Muslim philosophers should stick to questioning the universe, using physics, mathematics, logic and so forth. Philosophy is the backbone of of scientific thinking. No science can work without the laws of logic.
Greek philosophers aren't making a kalam cosmological argument or contingency argument.this is something which was developed by muslims mostly or at least a large chunk of it.also about quoting from the Qur'an.there are rational proofs in Qur'an but some people require something more than that what is in the Qur'an so what to do about them.ignore them and make us look as incompetent muslims who can't give answers.sure you can use Qur'an but also not using it is not bad and it's fine for some people.
What will you do if your son comes with teachings about science and evolution and philosophy. Will you the say just believe in the Quran?
@@ssjaak538Then you try to answer his questions with the Qur'ān and sunnah and if you can't, only then do you use philosophy
It’s really refreshing to see you guys together. May Allah keep you together forever
How did Muslims regress to the point where some claim thinking, I.e. logic, is haram? Absolute madness.
Its because of Wahhabism and the new sect Madkhalis! True Ahlu Sunnah wa jammah was high on every science -> Aschari Maturidi Ahlu hadith
Nobody actually says that, it would be ridiculous thing to say. The issue arrives when someone is basing their whole religion on the foundation of Ancient Greek philosophy or whatsoever, so they start to reject whatever that does not fit into its perspective.
All groups of Muslims unanimously agreed that Jahmiya and Mu'taliza are misguided, the very issue of these groups was rejecting canonical texts because of the philosophical approach. So for instance they came to conclusion that the Creator can not be seen in the hereafter regardless the ayas and ahadith. It wasn't because they used to refute unbelievers using logical arguments, but rather it was because they based their creed on problematic framework, which has problems it it's design.
@@OnkelKurac what you're claiming is not true, since it is fact that these discussions took place very long before Muhammad Ibn Abdulwahhab (may Allah have mercy on him) have lived. And it is also fact that before Ashari and Maturidi there were generations of imams who didn't use kalam as a basement of their religion. And it is fact that Ahmad (may Allah be please with him) refuted Mutalizis on the very philosophical issue regarding the Quran. And it's fact that term hanabila is used to refer group of people who didn't accept kalam-based creed.
Be honest please, don't try to fool people here.
@@abu.ibrahim is ok Wahhabi im not arguing with u you are a big jahil go and do research and dont follow blind what the saudi palace is giving their dogs to eat
@@OnkelKurac all you have is hatred and calling names, that says a lot, bye bye.
for the last 2500 years, philosophers were only speculating and arguing on issues....they will never provide absolute answers to all metaphysical questions,.....but philosophy is a useful tool for thinking and analysis......so to attribute absoluteness to philosophy is wrong......and to reject philosophy absolutely is equally wrong......there must be nuances in engaging with philosophy by students of knowledge, Muslims or not
Thank you for saying this!
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Assalamualaikum brother Hijab. In my country, Malaysia, two muslim bodyguards were beaten and had gun pointed on them by their Chinese boss because they were fasting in Ramadhan. Muslim in Malaysia are nice people that accept other races to live with us, but now we are oppressed by them in our own land. Please cover this issue. Thank you.
Finally, someone talk about this. Its not the first time muslim workers were abused for practicing religion, I doubt it would be the last. This must end.
You are cowards. Fight back like men.
@@kaalufshinni3576 Well, if we don't fight you'd call us coward. If we fight back you'll call us terrorists. Maybe you should learn how to speak English first, then you talk.
@@danielismail6700 Don't waste your time replying him. He likes his own comment, nobody gonna take him seriously 🤣
@@danielismail6700 What has learning English to do with my comment? If you behave like a meek ,turn the other cheek , Christian in your own country, and you don't have the balls to fight back when someone oppresses you in your own country, then you are a coward. Defending your dignity has nothing to do with terrorism. I'm not telling you to fight everyone, but you must not accept to be oppressed.
I have been to Malaysia. They are a kind and generous people. I consider them to be the best of Muslims. But the incident you mentioned is not acceptable. It is unislamic to accept oppression.
Asalamualaykum Brothers & Sisters. Read below, will take you a couple seconds. Inshallah we can reap the rewards of just spending a few seconds of our day doing some dhikr
1. SubhanAllah
2. Alhamdulilah
3. La ilaha illallah
4. Allah hu Akbar
5. Astaghfirullah wa atubu ilahi
6. SubhanAllahi wabi hamdihi
WA ALAYKUM SALAM WA RAHMATULLAHI WA BARAKATUH
That's very clear to me now. Keep up the great work inshallah 👍
It's Finished It's Finished!!
Love all the new vids coming out keep it. Coming
Love you my brothers ❤
Mohammed Hijab & Ali ☝
I really like your intellectual style and thoughtfulness just ordered one of your books bro
Salaam brothers, Alhamdulilah you are making things clear for us muslims, may ALLAH reward you with fruits of this world and most importantly with fruits of Jannah for your struggle and hard work, ameen.
I have a HUGE essay due, but this is a must watch! Asalamu Aleikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh. May Allah accept our fasts, forgive our shortcomings, and answer the longings of our hearts. RAMADAN MUBARAK SAID ☪️
Me to brother, I must also watch May Allaah make it easy for us amiin
@@Kobalamin88 in’sha Allah ya rab 🤲🏻
Did you finish the essay?
@@user-kf5uh2gz5m no, I have to hand it in on wednasday insha Allaah
Ramadan Mubarak to everyone! Btw why can't I see Hijab?
*"5 MOST IMPORTANT DEEDS MUSLIMS MUST DO IN RAMADAN:"*
Allah Almighty says in Qur'an:
*O you who have believed, decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you that you may become righteous.* (2:183)
*When the month of Ramadan starts, the gates of the heaven are opened and the gates of Hell are closed and the devils are chained.* Sahih Bukhari (30:9)
It was narrated that Abu Hurairah said:
The Messenger of Allah said:
*Whoever fasts Ramadan out of faith and in the hope of reward, he will be forgiven his previous sins.*
Sunan an-Nasa’i (22:116)
*Ramadan is known to be the month of Quran. It is highly recommended in the Ramadan to read and study the Holy Quran and to share with others.*
"1. PRAY YOUR FIVE DAILY PRAYER:"
In Quran, Allah Almighty says:
*“Indeed, those who believe and do righteous deeds and establish prayer and give zakah will have their reward with their Lord, and there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.”* (2: 277)
Prophet(ﷺ) said:
*“Between a man and shirk and kufr stands his giving up prayer.”*
Narrated by Muslim(82)
*Don't miss your Obligatory prayer anyhow.*
*The first question will be asked on the day of judgment is about Salah.*
*If you count the time for only Obligatory prayer then it will not exceed even an hour of your 24 hour.*
*Each Obligatory salah will take 10 minutes.*
*Multiply it with 5 Salah and it will take only 50 minutes of your 24 HOURS.*
*Can't you give this much small period of time to the one who created you?*
"2. GIVE YOU ZAKAT IN RAMADAAN:"
*It is also highly recommended to give Zakat (obligatory tax/donation - 2.5% of wealth/savings/assets according to lunar year) and Sadaqah (voluntary charity) in the Ramadaan.*
"3. READ QURAN EVERYDAY."
*O MUSLIMS DON'T NEGLECT QURAN:*
وَقَالَ ٱلرَّسُولُ يَٰرَبِّ إِنَّ قَوْمِى ٱتَّخَذُوا۟ هَٰذَا ٱلْقُرْءَانَ مَهْجُورًا
*And the Messenger will say, "O my Lord, my people had made this Qur'an the object of their ridicule."*
Quran Chep 25 Verse 30
Meaning :
"these people did not regard the Qur'an as worthy of their consideration: they neither accepted it nor followed it".
"4. DO THE DHIKR OF ALLAH:"
Allah Almighty says in the Holy Quran:
*O you who believe!* *Remember Allah with much remembrance.*
Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: *The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said,* *“There are two statements that are light for the tongue to remember,* *heavy in the Scales and are dear to the Merciful:*
*سُبْحَانَ اللَّهِ وَبِحَمْدِهِ، سُبْحَانَ اللَّهِ العَظِيم*
*Subhan-Allahi wa bihamdihi,* *Subhan-Allahil-Azhim*
Meaning :
*Glory be to Allah and His is the praise,* *(and) Allah, the Greatest is free from* *imperfection.*
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].
"5. Send salutation upon Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ):"
اَللَّهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلىَ مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَلىَ آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ
*Allahumma salli ala Muhammadiw wa ala aali Muhammad.*
Meaning : O Allah, let Your Blessings come upon Muhammad (ﷺ) and the family of Muhammad (ﷺ).
*Whosoever recited a durood for me once, Allah will send the blessings for him 10 times, 10 sins deleted, and rank elevated 10 times*
*Recite 100 times in a day.*
*Or Recite 10 times in morning and evening.*
*JUST COPY AND SHARE FROM BELOW LINK TO EARN REWARD:*
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Is this a joke or something? I been watching people say this too much now 😂
@@gameart-no8td well yeah a joke because he’s wearing cammo. The point in commo clothing is to camouflage, hence the joke.
@@gameart-no8td
*They can see alternation of the night🌃 and day🌅, in the ships that sail the ocean🚢 laden with cargoes beneficial to mankind, and in the rain-water🌧which Allah sends down from the sky and thereby gives life to the earth after its death🏕 and spreads over it all kinds of animate creatures(🐫🦜🦅🐼🐘🐺🐑🐈🐕🦃), in the blowing of the winds and in the clouds☁️ which obediently wait for orders between the sky and the earth. (In spite of such clear signs of the Oneness☝️ of Allah), there are people who set up equals and rivals with Allah and adore them with the adoration due to Allah . whereas the Believers adore Allah most ardently.*
Quran 2 :164-165
*This is big sign for the people that Quran is word of God.*
*Allah is our creator who gives life and death and will again resurrect us on the day of Judgment.*
*Worship only Allah without any partners.*
*There is no God but Allah and Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) is his Last and Final Messanger.*
@Pull out The lapel the time is up the time is now hahaha remember that video bro im gonna watch for a laugh haha
Man when these 2 together can't help myself,I have to do Dua for you both,
MAY ALLAH SHOWER YOU AND YOUR FAMILIES WITH HIS BLESSINGS
Salam alykoum all from France 🤝
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Beautiful SubhanAllah, absolutely loved it
My favorite duo, may Allah bless!
Thankyou for clarifying I had alot of doubts about this
Well said. Alhamdulillah. May Allah Swt bless you all. Keep up the good work.
بارك الله فيكم
Mashalah nice talk show.I have greatly benefited.
Ramadan Kareem everyone ❤️
Very needed video thanks
Jzk for the message brother.
Ma sha Allah tabaraka Allah brothers Ali/hijab. On it keep it on learnd lots . Jaazakah Allah ghair
Thanks for clarifying this for me , JazakAllah
I absolutely love the title
Jazak Allah Khair for this video, i’ve noticed this is happening in dawah tables the brothers no longer want to use any basic rational arguments because they say this is biddah
Ramadan is a month of ibadah and not debating muslims.
Abu Umamah reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “No people are led astray after being guided but that they indulged in arguments.” Then, the Prophet recited the verse, “They strike an example for you only to argue. Rather, they are a quarrelsome people.” (43:58)
Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 3253
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Tirmidhi
MashaALLAH very good topic needed to be addressed with precautions
Some guy come to my house today and asked for a small donation for the local swimming pool so I gave him a glass of water he didn't even say thanks funny guy
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Omar Suleiman in One Path network? The guy who walked with LGBT supporters in a rally and in the same rally didn't say anything when a sister got baptized but silently watched ?
This comment needs more likes so people notice it more.
@@malounge9851 Yes indeed it does
@@malounge9851 Until it's deleted !
I feel the audience won't get boredom if you're doing your da'awa without using scripts, quoting verses from the heart and that's why Dr zakir is able to deliver lectures to a live audience of about 1million. I like it!
The dawah is Quran ans sunnah tho. He should mention them, not just philosophy
@@majjsmamaysi6277 true I agree. Philosophy is only haram when you base your religion on it.for example people start question the Attributes and form of God which can lead to disbelief.us mortals would never reach to such conclusion since god is all powerful.
It's only haram if you use philosophy as a tool to provide absolute answers to metaphysical questions which is impossible because our feeble mind cannot even comprehend the vastness of God. Philosophy itself has existed since the dawn of humanity because it is used as a tool for thinking and analysis.attributing absoluteness of Allah with philosophy is haram because us human beings will never arrive reach the conclusion to the answer since Allah S.W.T is Omnipotent etc.and it could also lead to disbelief since you are if you use it to question the Attributes Of God.
Overall philosophy is not haram since we use rational thinking and logic everyday.it is only haram if you use it to question the Attributes Of God because we will never arrive to the conclusion.
Ramadan Mubarak everyone
Those brothers have misquoted ibn taymiyah and the salaf and have been doing it for so long with little knowledge.
Salaam, may ALLAH reward you brothers and keep you safe, ameen.
You should constantly be scared that your not doing your dawah correctly thats a good thing ahlie
Salam from indonesia,, assalamualaiykum brother,,,
All due respect my brothers.. dont you think Naseeha is more important because of issues that you have mentioned? Dawah to bring non muslims to deen is always important ofcourse but seems like us as muslims ourselves need guidance and teaching before we can go and think we can give dawah becoz we read one or two books. Many of us are misguided and the hour is very near.. may Allah almighty make it easy for us and protect us from the fitnah of the dajjal
What they do is also remove any doubts the Muslims have and honestly they always slip in some naseeha in their videos for everyone to benefit.
@Julaybib is My name if your a muslim why are you speaking in such a manor? Its ramadahn so maybe you should watch your tone. No doubt you must be a child as grown adults dont speak so aggressively over youtube comments. You basically made my point.. jahil are those who call others without any understanding. I am more than happy to give you a location and maybe you can shut my mouth up for me? Have a nice day
@@AA-rr8eu yes i see that. Knowledgeable brothers indeed. I do see alot of our muslim brothers and sisters who are very astray but need some guidance and we all do ofcourse. May Allah almighty make it easy for us
Why do you guys look like twins with a bit of different shades?!! Masha Allah, you guys are growing and look barely 20 years old! Ramadan Kareem everyone!
The problem is using philosophy to determine the shape or form of god- that's problematic, because we'd be talking about something outside our rationale- while using it.
You just have to know where to stop.
Thank you for saying this!!! This is what let to disbelief in Allah because people start to determine the shape or form of god with philosophy.. we are humans man we can't possibly imagine the form on god.it would make the person go insane!
Allāh is without shape and form.
This is where I ran into an issue while having a discussion with friends. I logically proved gods existence with the contingency argument. But if god is outside of time and space, does this mean that it is useless trying to prove his existence with logic, since he doesnt depend on our logic? How else can I prove god?
It's all most a year since they dropped the app
Brother we need and I mean we need Arabic translation if it is at all possible. There are so many people I want to share these videos with that don’t speak English. Regardless, I appreciate everything you do!
The fact that this is even a point of contention is a major reason why a lot of sincere young people with 'Muslim' cultural backgrounds feel very distant from the Salafi/Wahhabi lot. The fact that everything has to be substantiated with statements from Ibn Taymiyyah as well is also a clear indication of the power of the Petro dollar Dawah.
Does imams malik and Alshafi'e are wahabi because they says that Kalam is haram?!, can you tell me?!!!.
It's only haram if you use philosophy as a tool to provide absolute answers to metaphysical questions which is impossible because our feeble mind cannot even comprehend the vastness of God. Philosophy itself has existed since the dawn of humanity because it is used as a tool for thinking and analysis.attributing absoluteness of Allah with philosophy is haram because us human beings will never arrive reach the conclusion to the answer since Allah S.W.T is Omnipotent etc.and it could also lead to disbelief since you are if you use it to question the Attributes Of God.
Overall philosophy is not haram since we use rational thinking and logic everyday.it is only haram if you use it to question the Attributes Of God because we will never arrive to the conclusion.
@@DohaTSS It's only haram if you use philosophy as a tool to provide absolute answers to metaphysical questions which is impossible because our feeble mind cannot even comprehend the vastness of God. Philosophy itself has existed since the dawn of humanity because it is used as a tool for thinking and analysis.attributing absoluteness of Allah with philosophy is haram because us human beings will never arrive reach the conclusion to the answer since Allah S.W.T is Omnipotent etc.and it could also lead to disbelief since you are if you use it to question the Attributes Of God.
Overall philosophy is not haram since we use rational thinking and logic everyday.it is only haram if you use it to question the Attributes Of God because we will never arrive to the conclusion.
Really good deconstruction
Assalaamu Alaikum and Ramadan Kareem to all. Brother Hijab, please tell us what you think about Sheikh Imran Hosein's many in depth lectures on Islamic Eschatology? Jazak'Allah
Mashallah, may Allah AZJ reward you
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That is the truth That is the Truth alhamduallah
بَلْ نَقْذِفُ بِالْحَقِّ عَلَى الْبَاطِلِ فَيَدْمَغُهُ فَإِذَا هُوَ زَاهِقٌ
Barakallahufeek
If I hear a sound in another room. I can conclude rationally that the sound was an effect and there must have been a cause.
This is logic. What's the problem with this? People use this type of logic in every day life
[Quran 20:22]
"Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are the deaf and dumb who do not use reason."
I am an agnostic. The problem if you use reason, you will end up in hellfire. Basically the Koran teaches that if you disagree with Allah, you will end up in everlasting hellfire.
@@charlievaughan1308 If you use your reason and find islam is wrong, then please think again. Maybe problem with your argument
@@arifzuhayri7230 My advise to you is to read my posting on Blogging Theology on Dr.Stephen Meyers " The return of the God Hypothesis"". I have written under the heading WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE FOR AN ALL WISE INTELLIGENT DESIGNER?. If if you can refute the arguments I have put by providing me with logical, and rational evidence, I will convert to Islam.
@@charlievaughan1308 Uhmm, pretty sure its a scientific evidence. For me, I dont really need any scientific evidence, I just want logical evidence…
@@arifzuhayri7230 I would like to reply. Have you read my posting on Blogging Theology carefully?
You said 12 hours ago "" For me, I really don't need any scientific evidence.i just want logical evidence"".
I said in my reply 20hrs. ago "" If you can refute the arguments I have put by providing me with logical and rational evidence, I will convert to Islam"".
The scientific evidence I have presented is logical. Logical evidence is a sound reasoned argument or conclusion based on facts, research and other forms of evidence. I have also presented evidence that is credible, objective and verifiable. What logical evidence have you provided to refute the points I made in my posting on Blogging Theology ?
Honestly i agree with you Mohammed Hijab. But can you give examples of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) using philosophy to strengthen your case?
Thank you for making this video , i recently came across a video of Sheikh Yasir Qadhi refuting the way of using rational arguments (namely by Sheikh Ahmad Deedat and Dr. Zakir Naik ) , it turns people away from Dawah according to him , which i didnt resonate with ... feel he has kind of lost it ...
His concept of Shirk is all over the place , it would be great if you could make a video on Shirk as well .
When the prophet Muhammad (SAWS) debated with a Christian and the Christian tried to explain to the Nabi (SAWS) how Jesus (AS) is the Son of God becuase he was born without a father, the prophet (SAWS) replied to him by saying, "if jesus was born without any male intervention and this makes him the son of god then what about Aadam (AS) who didn't have a father or a mother is he the bigger son of god". How would you define this interaction between the Nabi (SAWS) and the Christian would it be logic or no?
@Nfamara Ceesay Sorry didn't understand your reply.
@Nfamara Ceesay so you can use logic?
@@mukkimerc856 yes the Quran encourages you to use intellect except for Aqidah matters
@@mohamadoukonate7380 - isn't the birth of Jesus /Isa (as) an aqida matter?????
@@mikhan5191 idk but what am trying to say is if your intellect is contradicting revelation then you should ignore the intellect and affirm what the revelation is telling you. We prefer revelation over our intellect
Brother Hijab and Ali Dawah, you guys are amazing. 👍
Masha'Allah brothers ✌🏻
So Imam Shafii would have lashed Ibn Taymiyya with his shoes according to our Salafi brothers lol.
@Ibrahim Ibn Mahmud There’s only one laykid, and that’s you lololol
@Ibrahim Ibn Mahmud The cheerleader has arrived loooool
@@criticclips1560 That guy is so brainwashed he’s contradicting Ibn Taymiyyah himself hahaha
@Ibrahim Ibn Mahmud Ibn Taymiyyah was knowledgeable of philosophy when he was a child, before he became a philosopher in his teenage years
@@appearances9250...How?
I think it's unfair to label them as conservative scripturalist. Avoid using labels as much as you can. If they are culpable of it then don't be like them especially if you disagree with them and how they cause fitnah as a result of constantly attaching certain labels on others
The problem with us is that we immediately start to label others the moment we disagree with them.
I understand that their view may demotivate you guys from the great work you are doing. There's nothing necessarily wrong with the methodology you guys use
But you have to understand their point too. I get that they shouldn't just label your methodology as invalid. There are pros and cons to their view just as there are to yours
Even if ibn tamiyah (not undermining him in any shape or form) was of the view that there's a good and a bad kalam, the majority of the salaf never used philosophy or kalam to convert non muslims or specifically atheists. Philosophy was never used by the early generations.
And there's a difference between logic and philosophy. Simply reasoning or using your reason doesn't mean that you are doing philosophy. In philosophy, there's no fine line with regards to how you can use logic. It's an independent source of knowledge particularly in philosophy. That's why our ULAMA warn us against philosophy and we can't deny that those who deviated were influenced by philosophy not by logic. They didn't reason rather they ended up overwhelming themselves with it. Allah tells us to reason but at the same time He also reminds us that we are limited in our knowledge. You can't reason limitlessly if you are limited in your knowledge
Calling someone as a conservative scripturalist is not correct. The more you adhere to the methodology as laid by the Quran and sunnah, the better
Prophet Muhammad SAW started off His journey of giving dawah by reminding the disbelievers of the hereafter and also calling them to worship Allah alone. His methodology was sound and clear. Even though it lead many people away from the religion but it also lead many to embrace the religion
Again, there's nothing wrong with how you guys do dawah. If your arguments can give life to someone's intellect in a way which doesn't contradict the Quran and sunnah then that's alhamdulillah great. However, I just thought I should clear as to why scholars are critical of philosophy
Your last paragraph is the whole reason behind this video and that is the point of your comment. Using logic and reasoning that does not contradict the Quran. Those reasoning and logic that are against Quran and sunnah is what I believe the salaf are trying to cite .most of my conversation or dawah to non Muslims is using logic because you can't begin to quote Quranic verses to someone who doesn't believe in it
@@yusufnasiru1709 It's a different matter when you get into philosophy. That's what I'm highlighting. The scholars never forbid us from reasoning within the context of the Quran and sunnah. So when someone comes and says that you can't use philosophy to do dawah, they are not talking about using logic. They are only warning you to safeguard yourself from the side effects of philosophy
There's no guarantee that the person you are trying to give dawah to will accept islam even if you provide them with logical arguments. As a matter of fact hamaz zortist said it himself that sometimes the other person be it an Atheist or not, they may not be in need of a logical argument. A human being isn't a robot. There's wide range of things going on with him. An ayah of the Quran can open the person's heart to the truth. Saying that it's not effective to use the book of Allah to give dawah is essentially saying that Allah's guidance is not effective. Generalizing this statement is not valid. There are some people who need to be taught certain things before you can use the Quran with them because of their distorted mindset. I agree, in that case. But it's not right to generalize the statement. Because there are people who accepted islam merely after pondering over the verses.
So when the scholars encourage us to use the book of Allah to do dawah then there's not necessarily anything wrong with it. And your job isn't to convince anyone. It's to convey. If you go through the verses of the Quran, this is well established. No prophet was able to convince his people accept upon those whom Allah showed His mercy to
And again, no scholar or their student said that reasoning is wrong. The video doesn't explain anything but clarifies the position of brother hijab which I said is generally ok. But it doesn't justify what the scholars actually forbid us from
Can i ask you, What about the hadith that mention The Prophet says "Seing the universe and and admiring the creation of Allah is strongger than a night prayer" are this sahih hadith (?)
Shamshi has lots of videos discussing with nonmuslims what arguments does he use?
Mashallah brother Muhammad and brother Ali
its very beautiful this video
Hijab you are legend man💪
The username 😂😂🤔
Brother Hijab when are u making video on hudoos ul ajsaam.
Hey everyone I hope you are doing well let’s try to finish the Quran this Ramadan and try to strive in the way of Allah and spread Islam and let’s get closer to Allah the gates of jahannam are closed and gates of paradise are open! Ramadan Mubarak!! 😁😁
jihad in the western world has negative connotations, even though we mean in just spreading the message they take it in a violent way just to demonize us. it's better if we use words that can be propagated ab understood by everyone, since prophet when sending a companion to yemen said to first preach what people could understand then go in depth.
@@whateverman6738 ok I will change it
@@whateverman6738 jihad/ijtihaad means struggle i think?
@@mohithegreat7912 yes
Allah hu Akbar ☝
aren’t these synonyms to what y’all brought up : Valid Poetry & TheWise-Writings
I am really really interested in this topic 😄😄😄😄
Subtitle is on Dutch 😬
Suraij as-Shafi'ee (d. 306H) said, mentioned by Ibn Taymiyyah in "Bayaan Talbees al-Jahmiyyah":
توحيد اهل العلم وجماعة المسلمين أشهد أن لا اله الا الله وان محمدا رسول الله وتوحيد اهل الباطل الخوض في الأعراض والأجسام وانما بعث النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم بانكار ذلك
The Tawheed of the people of knowledge and the jamā'ah of the Muslims is "I testify none is worthy of worship except Allāh (alone) and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allāh". And the Tawheed of the people of falsehood is disputing about al-a'răd (incidental attributes) and al-ajsām (bodies) and the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) was sent with the rejection of that."
You need to look into Naser Mohammad AlYamani. He will be your perfect match hijab, if your up for it. I know scholors just dont want to give him "clout". I am confused to why no one has tried to refute his claims. He challenges any person any scholor and im still waiting for someone to speak out. ✌🇾🇪
where can i find The kalam Cosmological Argument book in arabic ...can u help me guys ?
Leave Wahhabism and follow the true Hanbali School I can see very good progress in ur believes Mister Hijab ;)
“The beginning of wisdom is the definition of terms.” ~ Socrates
@@agadirand4four347 I was saying in the context of this issue as we must first define what is philosophy to avoid confusion.
@Ibrahim Ibn Mahmud You missed the point my brother the whole point of my quote is to simply assure that defining terms is essential otherwise it will lead to confusion. I've not even studied about socrates I just remember his quote I know it's hard for you to reconcile
@Ibrahim Ibn Mahmud if the words make sense & are good, why should we be bothered with its author.
@Ibrahim Ibn Mahmud So by your logic, we don't need to study Newton and others too, we have our Salaf!
@Ibrahim Ibn Mahmud akhi we don't use the quran and sunnah for everything, for a example when i study maths or English at school am i going to quite ayats from the quran?
Of course we take quran and sunnah over everything
نريد الترجمة بارك الله فيكم
Brother.. when you are learninh philosofy or just listening to a brother on a debate .. do you used to have was was / anxiety in the process ,.. (?) not always but sometimes.. if you were , what does that mean and what do you do about it ,..? Maybe its usefull information for our young learner .. insyaAllah
Allah bless you.
The book الرد على الجهمية which shows Imam Ahmed’s (d:241) semi-rationalist stance is incorrectly attributed to him
There are 3 versions of radd
1- from second half of 3rd century transmitted by his son Abdullah(d:290) and a student al-Marrudhi (d:275). Both had found the work in possessions. Abdulllah narrates it in his kitab al-sunnah (which itself is of dubious nature).
2- from Khallal (d:311) related through Abdullah alone with an unknown narrator between them
Both books only list verses with no comments from Imam Ahmed and agree with Imam Ahmed’s dislike of using rational argumentation (which is the orthodox Athari opinion, not Imam Ibn Taymiyya’s slant which isn’t strictly Athari)
3- this version came in 5th century, more than a hundred years later. Subject and style very different to first two and contains the “semi-rationalist” version.
This book is highly problematic; broken links in chain, impossible encounters of people in chain.
Ibn Taymiyya and Ibn Al-Qayyim defended it but Ibn Al-qayyim mixed up the three versions (in the 8th century) Whilst Imam Dhahabi said its not authentic.
Summarised from PhD by Sarhan “Early Muslim Traditionalism: A critical study of the works and political theology of ahmed bin hanbal” (see pg48 onwards)
Imam Ibn Taymiyya does not represent orthodox Athari understanding and he went against Atharis/Hanbalis in creed.
The book suggested attempts to justify positions held by Ibn Taymiyyah which are directly contradictory to positions held by orthodox Atharis and indeed Ahlus Sunnah in large.
We see many people bringing quotes from the Salaf condemning the usage of Kalam. However, this is a flawed method from many angles.
Firstly, Kalam during the time of the Salaf is significantly different than what later scholars defined it as.
The Ash’ari polymath Al-Adud al-Iiji (r) defines it as:
علم يقتدر معه على إثبات العقائد الدينية بإيراد الحجج ودفع الشبه.
“A sciences through which the ability to affirm religious beliefs is gained by bring forth arguments and defending against doubts.”
Secondly, the science of Kalam during the earlier generations was associated with heretics and misguided sects.
The condemnation of Kalam by many early authorities was possibly not about the science itself as much as it was about the people associated with it.
Thirdly, many of the Athari scholars studied and used Kalam, and even heavily depended on it to prove their arguments against their opponents.
An example of these scholars includes, but is not limited to: Abu Ya’la, Taqi al-Din Ibn Taymiyyah, Najm al-Din al-Tufi, among others.
Lastly, I will end off with the following quotes from our Hanbali scholars, explaining the ruling of Kalam, when it is permissible, and when it is not.
Imam Ahmad said in one narration (paraphrased): “We were quiet, until the innovators called us to discourse (kalam), so we broke our silence.”
The Hanbalis took from this that it is permissible to debate innovators with rational arguments, coupled with textual evidences - the essence of Kalam.
Ibn Muflih quotes from grandson of Abu Ya’la that he said: “The correct opinion in the Madhhab is that learning Kalam is legislated and prescribed.”
Sheikh Mansur al-Buhuti says in Kashaf al-Qina’: “[Kalam is impermissible] only if purely rational arguments are used.
As for using textual evidences, or rational evidences along with textual evidences, then this is Usūl al-Dīn, and the way of the people of Sunnah. This is the meaning of Sheikh Taqī al-Dīn [Ibn Taymiyyah]’s words.”
And Allah knows best.
What if ibn Teymiyyah didn't speak about this?
- We would have a hard time.
No not really, watch the very end of the video.
It does not take a legendary scholar to know that the arguments used by the brothers go back to verses in the Quran and teachings of tge Sunnah.
Many Muslims have a misunderstandingof philosophy, as it is not well known, taught or understood in Muslim countries
Because you are unable to think for yourself.
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Say subhanallah alhamdullilah allahuakbar
سبحان الله وبحمده
سبحان الله العظيم
Ibrahim a.s uses logic when giving Dawah. When he pretend to worship the star and the moon and sun then he said they can’t be a God and he gave good reasons . This is all logically arguments that’s Ibrahim a.s used
نحتاج ترجمة خوي محمد حجاب
While your talking the truth there is benefit to bring from the criticism.
While it is necessary to reply to logic with logic
It is wise to believe there is a reason why Allah swt made different weights of importance to his message.
I hope you keep using what brings us here to learn
But I also hope you have more complete dawa were the Quran verses are the highlight of it which talks to the heart, mind and the soul
﴿فَلا تُطِعِ الكافِرينَ وَجاهِدهُم بِهِ جِهادًا كَبيرًا﴾ [Al-Furqān: 52]
(52) So do not obey the disbelievers, and strive against them with it [i.e., the Qur’ān] a great striving.
- English Meanings
Just memorising the and quoting the salaf without context is ridiculous and unacedemic your right hijab unfortunately alot of brothers and even scholars sometimes talk about fiqh issues and fall into the fallacy of equivication not studying what it meant at the time of the salaf and prophets pbuhs time and how today it doesn't mean the same thing, i Heard an e.g of the word سياره in surah yusuf knowadays it means a car but obviously that's not what is meant, jazak allah khayr
14:13 There are many intellectual arguments in the Qur'an. Why can't Du'aat use that with atheists and not philosopher's arguments?
Jazakallahu khaïran akhi
Roger That
Colonel Hijab 😂😂
some people when they hear about philosophy they instantly think of the taweel of the sifaat..
اللهم ارزقني زوج صالح بهمة فريق الدعوة
someone explain the term Kalam
Brother Mohammad, you forgot your kalasjnokiv
أول الدين معرفته
قال أمير المؤمنين علي بن أبي طالب ( عليه السَّلام ) : " الْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ الَّذِي لَا يَبْلُغُ مِدْحَتَهُ الْقَائِلُونَ ، وَ لَا يُحْصِي نَعْمَاءَهُ الْعَادُّونَ ، وَ لَا يُؤَدِّي حَقَّهُ الْمُجْتَهِدُونَ ، الَّذِي لَا يُدْرِكُهُ بُعْدُ الْهِمَمِ ، وَ لَا يَنَالُهُ غَوْصُ الْفِطَنِ .
الَّذِي لَيْسَ لِصِفَتِهِ حَدٌّ مَحْدُودٌ ، وَ لَا نَعْتٌ مَوْجُودٌ ، وَ لَا وَقْتٌ مَعْدُودٌ ، وَ لَا أَجَلٌ مَمْدُودٌ .
فَطَرَ الْخَلَائِقَ بِقُدْرَتِهِ ، وَ نَشَرَ الرِّيَاحَ بِرَحْمَتِهِ ، وَ وَتَّدَ بِالصُّخُورِ مَيَدَانَ أَرْضِهِ .
أَوَّلُ الدِّينِ مَعْرِفَتُهُ ، وَ كَمَالُ مَعْرِفَتِهِ التَّصْدِيقُ بِهِ ، وَ كَمَالُ التَّصْدِيقِ بِهِ تَوْحِيدُهُ ، وَ كَمَالُ تَوْحِيدِهِ الْإِخْلَاصُ لَهُ ، وَ كَمَالُ الْإِخْلَاصِ لَهُ نَفْيُ الصِّفَاتِ عَنْهُ ، لِشَهَادَةِ كُلِّ صِفَةٍ أَنَّهَا غَيْرُ الْمَوْصُوفِ ، وَ شَهَادَةِ كُلِّ مَوْصُوفٍ أَنَّهُ غَيْرُ الصِّفَةِ ، فَمَنْ وَصَفَ اللَّهَ سُبْحَانَهُ فَقَدْ قَرَنَهُ ، وَ مَنْ قَرَنَهُ فَقَدْ ثَنَّاهُ ، وَ مَنْ ثَنَّاهُ فَقَدْ جَزَّأَهُ ، وَ مَنْ جَزَّأَهُ فَقَدْ جَهِلَهُ ، وَ مَنْ جَهِلَهُ فَقَدْ أَشَارَ إِلَيْهِ ، وَ مَنْ أَشَارَ إِلَيْهِ فَقَدْ حَدَّهُ ، وَ مَنْ حَدَّهُ فَقَدْ عَدَّهُ ، وَ مَنْ قَالَ فِيمَ فَقَدْ ضَمَّنَهُ ، وَ مَنْ قَالَ عَلَا مَ فَقَدْ أَخْلَى مِنْهُ .
كَائِنٌ لَا عَنْ حَدَثٍ ، مَوْجُودٌ لَا عَنْ عَدَمٍ ، مَعَ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ لَا بِمُقَارَنَةٍ ، وَ غَيْرُ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ لَا بِمُزَايَلَةٍ ، فَاعِلٌ لَا بِمَعْنَى الْحَرَكَاتِ وَ الْآلَةِ ، بَصِيرٌ إِذْ لَا مَنْظُورَ إِلَيْهِ مِنْ خَلْقِهِ ، مُتَوَحِّدٌ إِذْ لَا سَكَنَ يَسْتَأْنِسُ بِهِ ، وَ لَا يَسْتَوْحِشُ لِفَقْدِهِ " ، 1
1. نهج البلاغة : 39 ، طبعة صبحي الصالح .
Sermon 1
“All praise belongs to Allāh whose worth cannot be described by speakers, whose bounties cannot be computed by those who compute and whose claim (to obedience) cannot be met by those
who attempt to do so, the One whom the height of intellectual courage cannot sufficiently appreciate and the depths of
understanding cannot possibly reach; He is the One for describing whom no limit is laid down, no ample praise exists, no time is ordained and no duration is fixed. He brought forth creation through
His Omnipotence, dispersed winds through His Compassion and firmed the shaking earth with rocks.
“The foremost in religion is to acknowledge Him. The perfection of
acknowledging Him is to testify to Him. The perfection of testifying to Him is to believe in His Oneness. The perfection of believing in His Oneness is to regard Him as the Absolutely Pure One. The perfection of His purity is to deny Him attributes because every attribute is a proof that it is different from that to which it is attributed, and everything to which something is attributed is
different from the attribute itself. Thus, whoever attaches attributes to Allāh recognizes His similitude. Whoever recognizes a similitude for Him regards Him as being two. Whoever regards Him as being two recognizes the existence of parts for Him; whoever recognizes
parts for Him mistakes Him; whoever mistakes Him points at Him;
whoever points at Him attributes limitations to Him, and whoever
attributes limitations to Him numbers Him.
“Whoever asks, ‘In what is He?’ holds that He is contained, and whoever asks, ‘On what is He?’ holds that He is not on something else. He is a Being but not through the phenomenon of coming into being. He exists but not out of non-existence. He is with everything
but not in physical nearness. He is different from everything but not
in physical separation. He acts but without connotation of movements and parts. He sees even when there is none to be looked at from among His creation. He is the One and only, such that there
is none with whom He may keep company or whom He may miss in
absence.”