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John Cygan, the terrific voice actor behind this brilliant character, has just died recently. In a strange way, this video could be interpreted as part of his legacy - an uncensored message that he leaves behind.
Such a damn shame that the ending got so much removed in the wake of 9/11. I guess it's pretty ironic that the visual representation of the free ideals Solidus was fighting for got censored.
l3054 Do you have any source for this? Unfortunately, I know it's true. I would just like to research that concept more. Old money doesn't just go away...
The sad thing is (given the events of mgs4) that a man whos wish was to be remembered was ultimately forgotten and assumed to be bigboss. Even when it comes down to the fanbase i feel solidus is often forgotten, but IMO he was one of the greatest villains to grace the series.
MGS4 was a mistake. Kojima never wanted to make that game. He wanted MGS2 to be the chronological ending leaving it ambiguous. He was pressured by Konami and fans (who've even sent death threats) to explain everything that wasn't supposed to be explained.
Solidus Snake was a speech giver. He was a politician and he was so masterful at cultivating his image that no one suspected he was a warlord training child soldiers in Africa. Except, he was a narcissist who could never get his fill. Its sad how his life was lost. He was supposed to be a good man.
I'm four years late, but to add insult to injury, he WASN'T forgotten. Once the Patriots fell and more and more information got out, the public eventually learned that George Sears was Solidus Snake, and that he once drafted child soldiers into war in Liberia. A pair of corporations known as World Marshall and Desperado Enforcement LLC developed a joint project with the goal of abducting vagrant children and forcibly converting them into cyborgs, psychologically AND chemically grooming them to enjoy violence early. What was the program called? The Sears Program, named and modeled directly after the alias and actions of Solidus Snake.
Not really. He started working on both Liquid and Solidus videos during april. Hyper almost didn't make it in time, but was able to manage. He updates alot on Patreon and his discord server (hint,hint)
MGS2 is perhaps the game I respect the most for its ideas. It may not be my favorite Metal Gear, but god damn was Kojima ahead of his time for the game
I think "I killed your parents" was a lie told purposely so as to piss Raiden off enough to want to kill him. Also solidus itself is the boundary from which a solid object starts to become liquid after it it passes it, this fits his character being a perfect, balanced clone.
Yeah, I always thought it was weird how he so casually added that little part in at the end of his monologue. If it wasn't a lie, than Solidus is the shittiest shithead ever lol
I feel like if it was a lie, then that would have been revealed in MGS 4. One way or another this was going to be the last time Solidus and Raiden had a chance to talk. Either Raiden would die, or Solidus would die. He'd never get a chance to tell Raiden again and he probably figured that Raiden deserved to know the whole truth before the end.
Solidus has to be one of the most nuanced villains in the entire series. He's really neither good or bad; just a real human being with ideals that he'll go to any means to achieve, and I think that's what really sticks out to me. He has a passion that's most easily discernible throughout all of the characters in franchise, and it's truly sad that he's stopped short of obtaining the one thing he's fought his whole life to achieve. Plus, y'know, he's right.
Yeah but by the end of the day, Hitler's goal was none sensical and hypocritical as he wanted to make the Aryan, who originally were dark-skinned and highly resembled the Persians in complexion and coloration; not quite the image of the proto-Nordic perfect specimen that Hitler was espousing, the Superior race and wiped out everyone else. Solidus is no saint but you can't disagree that he may have had a point in his goal and in the end his goal was realized even after his death
I’ll never understand how giving a villain sympathetic and relatable goals suddenly makes them “neither good or bad” with “grey” morales. Solidus was a homicidal maniac no more deserving of success than the soulless AIs he unknowingly sought to destroy. He had no remorse or regrets for the lives he forsook and ended. He was a true villain until the bitter end. No amount of passion for his plans could change that. It’s getting annoying to see people talk about him like an anti hero.
It's crazy if you think about it. Both Liquid and Solidus were seen as villains due to their methods, but in reality all they wanted to do was fight for others who couldn't fight for themselves while proving they are more than just clones of a man they aspired to be better than. Liquid fought for the life of his genetic brethren who were the product of genetic manipulation and soldiers who felt out of place in the "world gone soft" by providing a haven for them. Solidus wanted to find the identities of those in power who sought the subjugation of humanity as a whole. Solid Snake was just the one who did it all right.
Even in these times. The theme of controlled information manipulation is down to the point in these times. It's kinda scary as of now and more when this game was 19 years ago.
Yeah, true. It also makes Solidus less morally grey. Would've been cool if it was revealed he merely said that to antagonize Raiden and he didn't actually kill his parents. Through Raiden, if he won, he could spread his ideology. And he did, Raiden eventually helped to end The Patriots in MGS4.
youn00ber I just don't think it was necessary. Was he saying that to the player so we know that he is still the bad guy or Raiden to give him even more reason to end solidus. It might as well been a "I am your father". Maybe if there was a codec call during the naked raiden mindtrip or a call from snake, or hell solidus, do more in-depth at the last cutscene because it's already an information dumb,rather than "I killed your parents, there's your motivation" I don't think it ruins his character, just think it makes a really cheap moment, from a pretty intense scene
I don't disagree, it did come out of nowhere, it also distracts from his core motivation. Like it was done at the last minute to establish a connection between Solidus and Raiden, like Big Boss and Snake.
I am a MGS fan, but, if I'm being honest, there are a lot of trite/hacky moments throughout the games. Honestly, if the vidya game script was transferred to the big screen/TV, we would be rolling our eyes half of the time. Translation issue? Maybe the medium (vidya) lends a saving grace to otherwise subpar moments? I don't know. I'll end on a good note: MGS, to this day, gives me goosebumps at certain moments - a possible mix of genius atmosphere and nostalgia.
Not only comes out of nowhere, it's also one of the most generic and cliché lines a villain can say. But since we are talking about Sons Of Liberty, an extremely self aware game, makes me think it might be intentional and was trying to say something else. Or maybe i'm just overthinking, i dunno.
i actually didnt know that about Solidus' swords or the removed American flags... i almost wish i didnt know because now ill think about it every time i play MGS2
ponquinful My birthday is 30th of April. Imagine how confused I was the first time playing. I thought the game was reading my date of birth I entered at the beginning!
Y'know what? I finally get Solidus now. Before this video he was just another clone for the sake of having another clone whose goals didn;t make much sense in an already confusing narrative, making him forgettable. This has actually changed my perception of Solidus and MGS2 as a whole. Very nicely done!
I feel like playing this as a kid was a waste because a lot of this story went over my head. Granted this was my first metal gear so I missed out on some back story. This shit is really good god damn. I still loved the game tho
I think this has happened to a lot of people, i decided to play MGS 1 years later after beating the game as a kid from start to finnish on PS 1 and damn the story was good but as a young kid i only understood a few words of english but still completed the game, while i totally missing out on the story.
Great analysis! I had no idea that the flag was supposed to be prominent there at the end, that makes so much sense and would've made that scene even more impactful. Solidus was one of the characters from MGS that I found the most interesting; he was a deeply flawed character that did a lot of terrible things, but that didn't define him or keep him from doing something that he felt was right. He didn't fall into the mustache-twirling villain stereotype that I thought he might earlier on through the game. I also really liked how you tied in that we can all pass on our ideals to try to make the future brighter. A great take-away to end on.
I'm a father of two now, and every time I watch videos about this game I learn something new. I didn't understand the depth and details you presented in this video when I was young at the time. This game, or series, is truly a masterpiece in the gaming world. After that being said, I think now I'm on Solidus' side :D
Never thought about that but you're right. I think every characters actions are justified with the back story of everything...so who's the real bad guy here? Hell, most of the characters in MGS are fighting for similar causes but never knew it because everything was so manipulated throughout time by the Patriots.
Once you realize the pattern to which our real world is running, there's a very easy way to recreate that in a simulation and look sorta like a prophecy because ... well if you havent lived under a rock for the past couple of years, you'd surely find acute resemblance in the evens that are really starting to surface now.
I love MGS2 and MGS1 both of these games really shaped as young kid especially being very anti-war and anti-nuclear weapons. Also I love Solidus Snake so much because MGS2 is the game I beat so many times and I've gotten so many scenes and lines stuck in my head. I also love how Solidus Snake wanted to be just like Big Boss, he didn't hate him unlike Solid Snake or Liquid Snake. It does suck he had to die and even worst his his role in MGS4 was so little but yet Liquid Snake is remember and beloved and Solidus is ignored and hated for being in MGS2 because of Raiden. I love Jack and Rose and their codec scenes.
Brilliant. I sometimes wonder if Solidus was just goading Raiden on by saying "I killed your parents", it is such a juxtaposition after such an insightful monologue, it has no other purpose than to just anger Raiden into the final showdown.
At this point he could just work with Raiden and Solid Snake to find the information he wanted but without the life experience that Big Boss received from Operation Snake Eater and the Boss' story, Solidus is overtly troubled by how he will be remembered rather than accomplishing his mission, as the Boss did, even though it meant she would be remembered as a traitor. Solidus lacks this quality and as a result is unable to look past his ego and ultimately fails.
All of MGS2 was about memes, it just didn't use the word. MGS1 asked whether our genes define us. MGS2 asked whether our memes define us. MGS3 asked whether our Scene (where and when we are) defines us. MGS = Meme Gene Scene
The "I killed your parents" line was such a forced plot twist. The fact that it was revealed towards the end makes it more so. I fucking hate it when they reveal key backstory right before a character's death. Solidus is still a very good villain though.
And killing Seal Team 6 who were just doing their jobs. And killing Olga when he could have just knocked her out or something. He may have been right about the Patriots but he was still a selfish asshole.
I always make a point to play MGS2 around April 30th out of my own autistic ocd but I was moving today and couldn't. Thanks for uploading this to curb my sperg.
A video so sick you left out that business of Liquid Ocelot using his corpse in MGS4 supposedly as Big Boss. Well done, cos this is how we ought to remember Solidus Snake.
Incredibly well put together videos, both this and the one on Liquid. The script was very well structured, and it felt coherent and natural at the same time. I'm thoroughly impressed, looking forward to more of your content. J
I came into this video with low expectations...and I shouldn't have, because it blew my dick out of the water and left me speechless! I am absolutely floored how well edited and executed this video is! Had no idea about the flags, I have a severe case of FOMO after realizing the ending scene could have been that much more emotional with them. Phenomenal work!
Wow, this was hitting on some stuff in MGS2 I don't think I knew or thought about as much, and I've spent more time thinking about this game than any other.
This is a definite improvement on the first version of this video. Sadly I've yet to play MGS2 but the way you describe its story has finally allowed me to understand why people refer to Kojima as the mad genius he is. Thank you for sharing this insight.
Kind of like the Phantom Pain of Snake talking in MGSV and expecting to hear David Hayter's voice. Even though we know David Hayter's voice is not there anymore, the loss of it won't stop hurting. Or the pain of knowing we'll never get to play Mission 51. You feel it too, don't you?
The saddest thing about his legacy is that he isn't remembered for liberating the country. He's remembered solely for using child soldiers, as shown in Revengeance, canon or not.
I still want a recreation of the final battle for Rising 2 with Solidus (if it ever gets made). It could either be a dream/nightmare sequence, or just a bonus battle. They should keep Solidus' moves the same but maybe amplify up abit to fit the more over the top Platinum style
Holy shit this video finally helped me understand the plot of MGS 2. I finished the game originally confused as to what I had accomplished and what I was fighting for.
It’s only fitting that the prefect replica of Big Boss was killed by his “son” Raiden, just as The Real Big Boss was beaten by his son “Solid Snake”. The Patriots really did play everyone like puppets. God I love MGS, find a reason to live, and keep on living while building a legacy for yourself to pass on.
“We’re all born with an expiration date. No one lasts forever." - Solidus Snake
Rest in Peace, John Cygan.
@@PunishedDante he voiced riddler in the telltale Batman game.. that was cool
@@SupportTheLittleGuy He also voiced Canderous Ordo in KOTOR
John Cygan, the terrific voice actor behind this brilliant character, has just died recently. In a strange way, this video could be interpreted as part of his legacy - an uncensored message that he leaves behind.
bluebile john cygan was AWESOME as solidus. His voice acting was intense and incredible. RIP
How did he die?🤔
I had no idea but apparently he did voices in Socom Navy Seals franchise. Man what a legend
I will remember him as Canderous Ordo from KotOR1&2.
Such a damn shame that the ending got so much removed in the wake of 9/11. I guess it's pretty ironic that the visual representation of the free ideals Solidus was fighting for got censored.
Infradead Or is that fact the ultimate example of why he was right. Censorship robs us of our freedom to experience.
I just realized the most amazing thing ever, The La-lu-li-le-lo are responsible for 9/11
Solidus's art does look exactly like Bush
Red Fox the Undead And Solidus' relationship could be the same as Bush Jr. and Bush Sr.
l3054 Do you have any source for this? Unfortunately, I know it's true. I would just like to research that concept more. Old money doesn't just go away...
The sad thing is (given the events of mgs4) that a man whos wish was to be remembered was ultimately forgotten and assumed to be bigboss. Even when it comes down to the fanbase i feel solidus is often forgotten, but IMO he was one of the greatest villains to grace the series.
MGS4 was a mistake. Kojima never wanted to make that game. He wanted MGS2 to be the chronological ending leaving it ambiguous. He was pressured by Konami and fans (who've even sent death threats) to explain everything that wasn't supposed to be explained.
That’s what I think as well, Solidus was that one brother no one really talks about.
I will forever love and respect Solidus. He will NEVER be forgotten as far as I'm concerned. My all time favorite MG villain.
Solidus Snake was a speech giver. He was a politician and he was so masterful at cultivating his image that no one suspected he was a warlord training child soldiers in Africa. Except, he was a narcissist who could never get his fill. Its sad how his life was lost. He was supposed to be a good man.
I'm four years late, but to add insult to injury, he WASN'T forgotten. Once the Patriots fell and more and more information got out, the public eventually learned that George Sears was Solidus Snake, and that he once drafted child soldiers into war in Liberia. A pair of corporations known as World Marshall and Desperado Enforcement LLC developed a joint project with the goal of abducting vagrant children and forcibly converting them into cyborgs, psychologically AND chemically grooming them to enjoy violence early. What was the program called? The Sears Program, named and modeled directly after the alias and actions of Solidus Snake.
i like how this is uploaded on april 30th
Fami Salami he probably waited several months to release it on the 30th haha
JACK THERE WAS NOTHING IN YOUR ROOM! YOUR HEART IS EMPTY!
Not really. He started working on both Liquid and Solidus videos during april. Hyper almost didn't make it in time, but was able to manage. He updates alot on Patreon and his discord server (hint,hint)
Isn't it also kinda crazy how John Cygan was born and had died very close to April 30th?
I'm a little busy Rose.
"I'm a whole different game from Liquid!"
How right you are, Solidus. How right you are.
"I will triumph over The Patriots and liberate us all, and we will become The Sons of Liberty!"
I get goosebumps every time
Solidus was the hero we needed, but didn't deserve.
MGSmiech how original
He believed we deserved it
MGS2 was so goddamn far ahead of its time its not even funny.
It gets more relevant with each passing year.
MGS2 is perhaps the game I respect the most for its ideas. It may not be my favorite Metal Gear, but god damn was Kojima ahead of his time for the game
Actually themes like this were pretty common at the time. I hear Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex explores similar ideas
They were explored in literature before then too.
Null/Loun no one had ever done it the way mgs2 presented it though. you couldnt capture how mgs2 played out in a book, it wouldnt work nearly as well
Solidus' swords were named democrat and republican? I didn't know that
That's why when you switch them D is blue and R is red.
So fucking dope when I found that out
The swords were identical just like the parties they're literally exactly the same
Reuben even better commentary on how one option kills opponents and the other incapacitates. Both neutralize their opponents tho
@@ReubenSempleJones careful now the radicals might attack you for putting them in the same category lol
I think "I killed your parents" was a lie told purposely so as to piss Raiden off enough to want to kill him. Also solidus itself is the boundary from which a solid object starts to become liquid after it it passes it, this fits his character being a perfect, balanced clone.
Yeah, I always thought it was weird how he so casually added that little part in at the end of his monologue. If it wasn't a lie, than Solidus is the shittiest shithead ever lol
I feel like if it was a lie, then that would have been revealed in MGS 4. One way or another this was going to be the last time Solidus and Raiden had a chance to talk. Either Raiden would die, or Solidus would die. He'd never get a chance to tell Raiden again and he probably figured that Raiden deserved to know the whole truth before the end.
DevilHunter1994 True, but it reminds me of Not-Vergil's sudden turn in DmC: DMC, which Bit summarized as: "Oh I didn't tell you? I'm evil now, lol".
Lol what? Where did that come from? Who hurt you?
I kind of like how it can still be interpreted in that way, though.
Solidus has to be one of the most nuanced villains in the entire series. He's really neither good or bad; just a real human being with ideals that he'll go to any means to achieve, and I think that's what really sticks out to me. He has a passion that's most easily discernible throughout all of the characters in franchise, and it's truly sad that he's stopped short of obtaining the one thing he's fought his whole life to achieve.
Plus, y'know, he's right.
But Hitler got to the point where his actions didn't justify his goals.
Yeah but by the end of the day, Hitler's goal was none sensical and hypocritical as he wanted to make the Aryan, who originally were dark-skinned and highly resembled the Persians in complexion and coloration; not quite the image of the proto-Nordic perfect specimen that Hitler was espousing, the Superior race and wiped out everyone else. Solidus is no saint but you can't disagree that he may have had a point in his goal and in the end his goal was realized even after his death
@shadowshinobi06 so you agree that Hitler is neither good nor bad?
I’ll never understand how giving a villain sympathetic and relatable goals suddenly makes them “neither good or bad” with “grey” morales. Solidus was a homicidal maniac no more deserving of success than the soulless AIs he unknowingly sought to destroy. He had no remorse or regrets for the lives he forsook and ended. He was a true villain until the bitter end. No amount of passion for his plans could change that. It’s getting annoying to see people talk about him like an anti hero.
@@purpleemerald5299 true. Not to mention all the characters he killed in cold blood during the game. Nuanced? Sure. “Neither good or bad”? Nah
MGS2 has got to be one of the greatest pieces of art/media ever. Not just in video games, but in general. Including games, films, novels, etc
Solidus was right
DAMN RIGHT!
Thank you, Mr. President
#SolidusSnakeDidNothingWrong
The only thing separating most heroes and a villains is one bad day or a few bad choices
The only time this meme is kinda correct
That ending is still pretty touching, even after many years.
Hello there.
I love democracy i love the republic
The final codec is scary accurate
Solidus was easily the best Villain of the Series.
JayDee284 he was a hero though. snake and raiden were the real villains working for the patriots. The patriots are like the illuminati. evil
Does a Hero kill a boy's family then Force him too fight his Wars ?
JayDee284 anyone who opposes the patriots is a hero.
JayDee284 patriots are scum bags
JayDee284 ya dig?
It's crazy if you think about it. Both Liquid and Solidus were seen as villains due to their methods, but in reality all they wanted to do was fight for others who couldn't fight for themselves while proving they are more than just clones of a man they aspired to be better than. Liquid fought for the life of his genetic brethren who were the product of genetic manipulation and soldiers who felt out of place in the "world gone soft" by providing a haven for them. Solidus wanted to find the identities of those in power who sought the subjugation of humanity as a whole. Solid Snake was just the one who did it all right.
Even in these times. The theme of controlled information manipulation is down to the point in these times. It's kinda scary as of now and more when this game was 19 years ago.
"Everything that Solidus feared five years ago... it's all come to pass."
RIP John Cygan - voice actor of Solidus Snake
slyfox43 he was also the voice of canderous ordo in knights of the old republic.
The "I killed your parents" line really comes out of nowhere. Wish there was more hint towards it. Just seems to be used to stake up drama
Yeah, true. It also makes Solidus less morally grey.
Would've been cool if it was revealed he merely said that to antagonize Raiden and he didn't actually kill his parents. Through Raiden, if he won, he could spread his ideology. And he did, Raiden eventually helped to end The Patriots in MGS4.
youn00ber I just don't think it was necessary. Was he saying that to the player so we know that he is still the bad guy or Raiden to give him even more reason to end solidus. It might as well been a "I am your father". Maybe if there was a codec call during the naked raiden mindtrip or a call from snake, or hell solidus, do more in-depth at the last cutscene because it's already an information dumb,rather than "I killed your parents, there's your motivation"
I don't think it ruins his character, just think it makes a really cheap moment, from a pretty intense scene
I don't disagree, it did come out of nowhere, it also distracts from his core motivation. Like it was done at the last minute to establish a connection between Solidus and Raiden, like Big Boss and Snake.
I am a MGS fan, but, if I'm being honest, there are a lot of trite/hacky moments throughout the games. Honestly, if the vidya game script was transferred to the big screen/TV, we would be rolling our eyes half of the time. Translation issue? Maybe the medium (vidya) lends a saving grace to otherwise subpar moments? I don't know. I'll end on a good note: MGS, to this day, gives me goosebumps at certain moments - a possible mix of genius atmosphere and nostalgia.
Not only comes out of nowhere, it's also one of the most generic and cliché lines a villain can say.
But since we are talking about Sons Of Liberty, an extremely self aware game, makes me think it might be intentional and was trying to say something else. Or maybe i'm just overthinking, i dunno.
It feels like... Deja Vu
He... did a video on Solidus like 3 years ago, right? Am I remembering wrong?
Yup, he did
IS THIS THE SCATTERED REMAINS OF PATRIOTS MIND CONTROL ON CZcams
is this the same vid or different?
Different
We need solidus today. Where are youuu!!!
I Love the line when he yells out “ The Sons of Liberty”!!!!
i actually didnt know that about Solidus' swords or the removed American flags... i almost wish i didnt know because now ill think about it every time i play MGS2
lol my brother just finished the game on April 30th. The Patriots strike again
ponquinful My birthday is 30th of April. Imagine how confused I was the first time playing. I thought the game was reading my date of birth I entered at the beginning!
Psydrre - That'd actually have been cool if it did.
Y'know what? I finally get Solidus now. Before this video he was just another clone for the sake of having another clone whose goals didn;t make much sense in an already confusing narrative, making him forgettable. This has actually changed my perception of Solidus and MGS2 as a whole. Very nicely done!
You should check out SuperBunnyHop's video on MGS2, also delves into how fantastic that game is.
Because you are stupid
I feel like solidus was a very under appreciated character in the series.
SOLIDUS DID NOTHING WRONG
Falconwing 3 He did kill Raiden's parents
Hikaru Kyo #SenatorArmstrongForPresident
Hikaru Kyo He was prez.
Solidus did a few things wrong.
to be fair everyone in mgs are anti hero not good or bad.
Of all the ridiculousness in the Metal Gear Series, the idea that the USMC had enough funding to develop a Metal Gear is by far the most unbelievable.
Benjamin Goto Greatest. Comment. Ever.
I feel like playing this as a kid was a waste because a lot of this story went over my head. Granted this was my first metal gear so I missed out on some back story. This shit is really good god damn. I still loved the game tho
I think this has happened to a lot of people, i decided to play MGS 1 years later after beating the game as a kid from start to finnish on PS 1 and damn the story was good but as a young kid i only understood a few words of english but still completed the game, while i totally missing out on the story.
MGS games aren't made for kids
Great analysis! I had no idea that the flag was supposed to be prominent there at the end, that makes so much sense and would've made that scene even more impactful. Solidus was one of the characters from MGS that I found the most interesting; he was a deeply flawed character that did a lot of terrible things, but that didn't define him or keep him from doing something that he felt was right. He didn't fall into the mustache-twirling villain stereotype that I thought he might earlier on through the game. I also really liked how you tied in that we can all pass on our ideals to try to make the future brighter. A great take-away to end on.
I'm a father of two now, and every time I watch videos about this game I learn something new. I didn't understand the depth and details you presented in this video when I was young at the time. This game, or series, is truly a masterpiece in the gaming world. After that being said, I think now I'm on Solidus' side :D
Can we just take a moment to appreciate how complex and flushed out the Metal Gear Saga actually is. It is truly a Video game masterpiece
It's all ridiculous nonsense that is extremely detailed and makes a ton of sense 🤣
I have terrible news everyone. John Cygan (Voice of Solidus Snake) passed away recently. Rest in peace.
Solidus is my absolute favorite villain in the franchise. This character AND his voice actor. You will be forever be remembered.
R.I.P. John Cygan.
Rip to the voice of this legendary character
The golden rule of Metal Gear Solid is that there are no villains, just people fighting on different sides.
Never thought about that but you're right. I think every characters actions are justified with the back story of everything...so who's the real bad guy here? Hell, most of the characters in MGS are fighting for similar causes but never knew it because everything was so manipulated throughout time by the Patriots.
Well. Volgin is pretty hard to empathize with. But in general I agree, and it's one of my favourite aspects of the series.
Ugh now i want one about the boss, zero and big boss too dang it
UnitingMilk
And Ocelot.
DAMN THE PATRIOTS!
DAMN THEM ALL!
I'M PRESSING BUTTONS DOOOOD.
YEAH, DAMN THE
LA LI LU LE LO!!!
Damn the “La-Li-Lu-La-Lo!?” What?
Once you realize the pattern to which our real world is running, there's a very easy way to recreate that in a simulation and look sorta like a prophecy because ... well if you havent lived under a rock for the past couple of years, you'd surely find acute resemblance in the evens that are really starting to surface now.
I love MGS2 and MGS1 both of these games really shaped as young kid especially being very anti-war and anti-nuclear weapons. Also I love Solidus Snake so much because MGS2 is the game I beat so many times and I've gotten so many scenes and lines stuck in my head. I also love how Solidus Snake wanted to be just like Big Boss, he didn't hate him unlike Solid Snake or Liquid Snake. It does suck he had to die and even worst his his role in MGS4 was so little but yet Liquid Snake is remember and beloved and Solidus is ignored and hated for being in MGS2 because of Raiden. I love Jack and Rose and their codec scenes.
DamuEmran Solid Snake never hated Big Boss. He just didn't like what his actions caused.
It is so ironic that Solidus was fighting digital censorship and control of information but his ending scene was edited.
Brilliant. I sometimes wonder if Solidus was just goading Raiden on by saying "I killed your parents", it is such a juxtaposition after such an insightful monologue, it has no other purpose than to just anger Raiden into the final showdown.
At this point he could just work with Raiden and Solid Snake to find the information he wanted but without the life experience that Big Boss received from Operation Snake Eater and the Boss' story, Solidus is overtly troubled by how he will be remembered rather than accomplishing his mission, as the Boss did, even though it meant she would be remembered as a traitor. Solidus lacks this quality and as a result is unable to look past his ego and ultimately fails.
Solidus did nothing wrong.
So are you saying Solidus' goal was to pass on George Washington's *memes?*
-AND IT WILL COME LIKE A FLOOD OF PAIN-
All of MGS2 was about memes, it just didn't use the word.
MGS1 asked whether our genes define us. MGS2 asked whether our memes define us. MGS3 asked whether our Scene (where and when we are) defines us.
MGS = Meme Gene Scene
Whenever you had to name Raiden before starting the oil plant chapter I usually named him "Jack Sears."
The "I killed your parents" line was such a forced plot twist. The fact that it was revealed towards the end makes it more so.
I fucking hate it when they reveal key backstory right before a character's death.
Solidus is still a very good villain though.
Solidus did nothing wrong.
...
Except maybe that whole child soldier thing.
I remember in MGR trailers they mention Solidus Snake and we're suppose to see more of Jack's past but they cut that out.
Yeah, I wish Platinum would've had more time. Revegeance had an insane amount of potential.
And killing Seal Team 6 who were just doing their jobs. And killing Olga when he could have just knocked her out or something. He may have been right about the Patriots but he was still a selfish asshole.
"doing their jobs."
Which included ruining Solidus' plan. So their death was unavoidable.
Olga betrayed him.
Arthur Wild i wanted to play the original mgr that looked like mgs4, now that was cool.
In metal gear there are only bad guys trying to do the good thing and good guys manipulated into doing the worst
Damn this makes me want to play mgs2 again
Edit: now i want to play it even more. Rip John Cygan
wow I didn't know about the whole flag removal thing. Having the flags in there would have been much more powerful
Solidus wanted to make america great again
The good way
@@OG509 yep like Trump
@@theclawyaww3740 hell the fuck no
Don't worry we have Armstrong
@@OG509 triiiiiiiiggered
Thanks for all your hard work! Love the quality of your videos.
Solidus and armstrong both were the best semi-antagonistic characters to be created
I always make a point to play MGS2 around April 30th out of my own autistic ocd but I was moving today and couldn't. Thanks for uploading this to curb my sperg.
Loli Canoli
That name is the best. XD
Even thought I’m entirely familiar with the plot, I still really enjoy these MGS videos of yours-really great stuff mate.
A video so sick you left out that business of Liquid Ocelot using his corpse in MGS4 supposedly as Big Boss. Well done, cos this is how we ought to remember Solidus Snake.
Incredibly well put together videos, both this and the one on Liquid. The script was very well structured, and it felt coherent and natural at the same time. I'm thoroughly impressed, looking forward to more of your content. J
This is the Bit equivalent of a double upload, I am impressed.
Loving the uploads dude.
I came into this video with low expectations...and I shouldn't have, because it blew my dick out of the water and left me speechless! I am absolutely floored how well edited and executed this video is! Had no idea about the flags, I have a severe case of FOMO after realizing the ending scene could have been that much more emotional with them. Phenomenal work!
Thank you!
Great explanation. My whole perspective for solidus and the mgs2 changed because of you. You're pretty good!
Magnificent video, please keep up the good work
You're going to do something about MGS3 *wink wink* (duh) and obviously end up with Ocelot in MGS4 soon, don't you?
Edit: Big Boss too? Maybe...?
Angel di Soufre probably The Boss for MGS 3
Well he has already done MGS3, Volgin.
"The Boss was just dumb"
I've never seen something so objectively wrong before in my life.
MCVivi I didn't understand a thing of what you said...
But Hey! I'm a random person
I would like to see him make a devious intent on Big Boss though I can see get it pretty lengthy.
Holy shit I'm surprised you uploaded so soon
Amazing. Thanks for explaining what was left out especially.
Great analysis of the character, Hyper.
Wow, this was hitting on some stuff in MGS2 I don't think I knew or thought about as much, and I've spent more time thinking about this game than any other.
This is a definite improvement on the first version of this video. Sadly I've yet to play MGS2 but the way you describe its story has finally allowed me to understand why people refer to Kojima as the mad genius he is. Thank you for sharing this insight.
Solidus trying to reach a censored american flag is the most tragic irony it could ever happen. fits so much to the themes of the game it's ridiculous
Kind of like the Phantom Pain of Snake talking in MGSV and expecting to hear David Hayter's voice. Even though we know David Hayter's voice is not there anymore, the loss of it won't stop hurting. Or the pain of knowing we'll never get to play Mission 51. You feel it too, don't you?
Dang dude you're pumping these out! Can I hope for an ocelot devious intent!
subscribed, love your content ! very thought provoking
I vaguely remember original video, and I think this one is better. Good job.
The ending of this video was beautiful, Much respect! :)
A true gaming president
Right on, a semi-new vid!
This is great. I only really understood a fraction of this game when it came out (I was a lad at the time). Excellent work.
ty dude i needed this
2:33 BUT ITS NEW YORK ITS ALREADY-
Colonel: Shut up
One of the best characters in video game history
I see Solidus' last words not being heard as a reference to how the patriots tried (and succeeded) in silencing him
The saddest thing about his legacy is that he isn't remembered for liberating the country. He's remembered solely for using child soldiers, as shown in Revengeance, canon or not.
two HyperBitHero vids in a week, its a good time to be alive
Nigguh
I still want a recreation of the final battle for Rising 2 with Solidus (if it ever gets made). It could either be a dream/nightmare sequence, or just a bonus battle. They should keep Solidus' moves the same but maybe amplify up abit to fit the more over the top Platinum style
Holy shit this video finally helped me understand the plot of MGS 2. I finished the game originally confused as to what I had accomplished and what I was fighting for.
This video was poetic. So damn amazing.
the storyline a decade in the future now a decade in the past -- I've never felt so old
I like that you uploaded it on April 30th ;)
Why will ask you what happened, then I see it is a better version of your later video. So I think I will have to watch this again! = )
the patriots removed all the flags
Do you know what day it is today?
May 1st
May 1st
I won’t make you save.
Mgs 2 is basically happening right now.
A combo of Slade Wilson and Dr Octopus.
Great Video man
And now, Here is the speech about Solidus Snake, Raiden's Father after the end of the Small Boy Unit.
Super awesome video as always! I wonder, is Honest Intent (or whatever is the opposite of Devious) gonna be a thing in the future too?
It’s only fitting that the prefect replica of Big Boss was killed by his “son” Raiden, just as The Real Big Boss was beaten by his son “Solid Snake”. The Patriots really did play everyone like puppets. God I love MGS, find a reason to live, and keep on living while building a legacy for yourself to pass on.
This is a necessary update. It left a better impact on me