"There is no such thing as the Supernatural, only cutting edge technology!" Ocelot, 4 years ago you worked with a guy that can read and control things with his mind.
That can be all technology also, say psycho mantis had a very intricate system which read and analyzed all types of things such as heart rate, body temp, facial and body gesture and movements combine with mantis perceptiveness and psychology genius which allows him to accurately dive deeper into the mind of anyone all based on constant data analysis.
It's a bad translation. The JP version of the scene has him say that technology has reached the point it can perform miracles (like his dead co-worker Mantis or all the magical acts by the Cobra Unit). Not there's no "supernatural."
Would have been cool if MGS4 had been a three way between them (if Solidus had survived MGS2... I could even see he and Snake forming a reluctant partnership at one point.)
***** That's a thought. I did always notice that surfing line was out of place but it kinda makes sense the way you put it. A bit strange though. They shouldn't have made him say "I'm off to bury the Patriots for good."
People fall into archetypes, based on upbringing, social conditioning, and biological drives dictate the perception of life experience, self, environment and how that all interacts, thats what this games calling out, shits wild.
+Nick Forbes obviously Ocelot hadn't met his father at that time. or got about Psycho Mantis. Remember Naomi was the one of the people in the game that invented Nanomachine technology that gave off the appearance that someone had become supernatural
+Nick Forbes That's the reason I'm watching this video right now. I KNEW I had heard that sentence in this scene, I just wanted to check if it made it into TPP verbatim :)
"There's no such things as miracles or the supernatural, only cutting edge technology." said the guy who's dad is a ghost/medium; and who used to work with a team with a guy who could control hornets, and old man who could absorb sunlight like a plant, and a huge Russian that could create electricity in his own body...
yeah but NANOMACHIIINES didn't exist during MGS3. and in less i'm mistaken they still won't exist during MGS5, which has kid psycho mantis in, and another sniper with weird sunlight powers :P
***** Yeah I know, I was joking. Well actually in the MGS series is not well known at what point tecnology and science are. In Phantom Pain the clones of Big Boss should be already born and look at that iDroid device. Notice also the new, red artificial arm of Big Boss not to mention that Gray Fox, back in Portable Ops was given super human strenght through science. So... It's really confusing... But surely The Sorrow had supernatural powers and stuff...
"There is no such thing as the supernatural, only cutting edge technology?" >Cobra Unit >Volgin >Psycho Mantis Dude's personally met more of the supernatural than anyone in the series. Lmao
Actually this is a great idea, I’d love to play a game where liquid is the main character that will let us see his perspectives throughout his life ,, I’m sure that it’s going to be interesting. the time line of the game should be right after Metal Gear phantom pain until the end of MGS1.
I remember obsessing about this game in 2002, I must've been 13 at the time hehe. Looking at the graphics now, I can't help but think how brilliant it looks...it's really standing the test of time in an industry where it is exceedingly difficult to do so!
I love how Liquid says “you’re the only one who can free me, after all-“, with an upward inflection, as if there was supposed to be more to that sentence… … and then in the following scene just starts a new thought.
It is weird. There is another case of this when Raiden talks to the president and the president asks Raiden if he really believes that public opinion has influence on the government. The codec text is "... No" making it seem like Raiden hesitates for a moment to accept it, but the voice-over is basically just the voice actor saying "No". I do not speak Japanese, but from the demeanor it seems to be as expected in the Japanese version. The same goes for the scene you mentioned.
I have always wondered about this, I considered maybe they cut something out there. Maybe I'll go back and check the script, cos I know there were a few other examples of little bits that didn't make it, or things that weren't made clear in the game that were in the script (like the President grabbing Raiden because he mistakes him for Olga at first)
Nope , it was still the technological gizmo at work , it was the Patriots that reactivated the "thingy" because the "exercice" wasn't over , Raiden had one last task to do , fight with Solidus otherwise the S3 plan wouldn't be completed.
I love how occelots speech is just going on normaly but he keeps mentioning the ninja like its nothing. Perfectly normal for a cyborg ninja to show up.
in a series that includes a soldier that can spit hornets, a soviet colonel who can shoot electricity from his hands, a parasite that can kill anyone speaking a certain language, a man who with a horn protruding from his head and a robot arm in 1984, and countless nuclear mecha tanks, I think it's safe to assume that a cyborg ninja is low on the list of strange things to bring up in conversation at any point of this series
These games are everything to me. They've helped me through doubt and depression. I remember when I was 3 when mgs 1 came out in 1998. The best one in my opinion, but the storyline is perfect.
I dont really care but why were u depressed at 3. That seems stupid plus you probable couldn't even play the game consider how small you literally were.
It's funny how Ocelot show off his Liquid-arm when he used to break the punk-kid's arm and kick his ass senseless when he got out of line on the Mother Base.
Liquid Ocelot technically isn't born sometime between the events of MGS2 and MGS4 Liquid's spirit annoyed Ocelot so much he got it replaced with a cybernetic arm and then he pretended to be Liquid throughout MGS4 hence why its Ocelot's voice in MGS4 and not Liquid's accent. Big Boss mentions that Ocelot had to pretend to be Liquid at the end of MGS4.
+Ry Guy Year after liquid died ocelot had his arm transplant and use hypnosis and drugs to make him into liquids doopelganger later he remove the arm and allowed himself to be possessed by psych.
Exactly, he needed to make the patriots think that he was liquid, fooling them. After all, his real plan was a success (big boss was awaken from his nanomachine's coma)
"There's no such thing as the supernatural, only cutting edge technology" *Immediately gets proven wrong by Fortune's "Psychic talents" and gets possessed by Liquid 'BROTHERS!!!' Snake* Even without the context of MGS or later games that was a baffling contradiction,
In MGS4 it's confirmed (more accurately propably just retconned) that Liquid didn't actually "possesed" anyone and Ocelot is a just being a drama queen
@@isimyok960my less retconnia head cannon is that he really was getting possesed so he replaced liquids hand with a bionic later on but used his "possession" to fool the patriots and used self hypnosis to make it real
This whole section of the game was phenomenal and the drastic change in tone and atmosphere is the exact reason why this is my favourite game of all time
The only scene in the entirety of Metal Gear franchise when you can see the sons of Big Boss together, shame it is only the short time because it is extremely interesting to witness Can be cool if it is turn to play as Solid Snake again with Solidus Snake unwillingly helping him in a boss fight against Liquid in Metal Gear RAY
You know what's kind of funny about this? Kiefer Sutherland. He sounds like Solidus here. And considering that Solidus himself is more or less a perfect clone of Big Boss, I think it's quite fitting for him to have the role of Big Boss...somewhat.
I like to think Big Boss changed his voice on purpose during the coma to stay hidden. When he was cloned, Solidus took that voice, while Solid was the only one with the natural voice. Liquid gained strong vocals because of his dominant genes.
@@pavise6333 thats a shame, but yeah forced their hand to do the cool thing, its too bad when thats what it takes sometimes and its not the default. ;)
10:18 That's funny to hear from the son of a Necromancer who gets his mind taken over by a dead man's spirit because he had his arm surgically attached to his...
Kevin Bernardini It was magic first but then it became nanomachines when Ocelot got tired of Liquid's spirit annoying him so he got rid of Liquid's spirit from his body and pretended to be Liquid after in order to fool the Patriots.
I kinda preferred the idea that Liquid was able to possess Ocelot through his arm before they just went "nanomachines bra" for everything supernatural. Liquid was a bad ass and short lived, but instead it diminished Ocelots character in my opinion by claiming he'd had therapy to perfectly mimic Liquid and what not. I don't mind the supernatural in a sci-fi, but they should have ran with it rather than trying to explain it with pseudo-science.
Snake actually during mgs2 Liquid very much indeed possessed liquid partly, but after these events ocelot went to get his liquid arm replaced with a robotic arm and injected nanomachines and some genes of liquid into himself.
There is no such thing as the Supernatural, only cutting edge technology, now if you'll excuse me, since it's not retconned yet, i'll go before the spirit in my right arm takes over my body, also fun fact, my father was a spirit apparition.
Snake diving after Ray is seriously badass and only serves to remind me how utterly devastating it is having to spend the majority of this game as Raiden cartwheeling about with a gay vampire.
Looking back, Liquid Ocelot was a bit of a mistake honestly. Kojima going as far to say that Ocelot planned it all and was doing a Liquid cosplay comes off as him trying to redo a plot point he came to regret.
I thought back then that they should have either brought Liquid back in person (their original plan) or just left Ocelot alone as himself. Liquid "surviving" through an arm was the dumbest plot ever, even after they explained it.
@@lockardthegoat5157 Kojima's main problem is that he treated every MGS like it would be his last. As such, he got rid of characters he could have used in later games(it's a miracle he didn't kill Ocelot in MGS1) and he has to retcon things to include them one way or another(Gray Fox is a perfect example of this. He was blown to bits in MG2, yet somehow he survived both that and Zanzibar's destruction) Kojima himself said that , had he known he would make another MGS, he wouldn't have killed Liquid.
It's strange that he always intended every MGS game to be the last given that every single game aside from the last one leaves us hanging with a cliffhanger that feels like it's setting up for a sequel, ESPECIALLY the second one.
Such a shame Fortune went out like that, in the end she protected both Snakes, Raiden, and herself with one of the biggest middle fingers to Ocelot's Nanomachines and Cutting-Edge technology bs, and died after a long journey of pain and misery She would've liked to meet Otacon, just saying
None of Ocelot’s actions here make any sense with what we learn in MGS4 that this is all part of his plan to free Big Boss. One more big piece of evidence that it was a weird, canon-destroying retcon from a game Kojima never wanted to make.
Liquid: "Snake, You coming?" Snake: "GRAAHHHH......" *falls together* Raiden: "SNAKE!" *Solidus: "Well, that was something. I'm third son anyway, doesn't care about "older" brothers matter..." ._.*
Yeah, but ocelot did it to free big boss and fool the patriot system, ocelot always had his right arm in the past, he just switched it with liquid's arm to obtain liquids personality + theory and all the other bullshit
freezer That's pretty much it really. Let's disregard the fact that Kojima hasn't planned that far ahead and thought MGSV was going to be a thing. Even Skullface said that once he dies, he'll just be another phantom forgotten in history because The Patriots controlled information and they wanted him gone entirely. I'm assuming that all the research and creations of Skullface were either erased or they kept it and found other ways to implement it better, case in point, Foxdie.
at 14:20 when Liquid takes over, RAY stands upright. Looks an awful lot like the posture of MG Sahelanthropus (SP?) from MGSV, when liquid is just a kid. Don't know if it's intentional, but pretty cool.
Things I'm just wondering right now. - Why does Solidus bother to tell Fortune to get to cover? She's an underling who just tried to betray him. - Why does Fortune bother to use her inexplicable telekinetic powers to shield herself and the rest from Ocelot's missiles? She's been looking to die for some time and no one around her matters to her. - Why does Solid bother to tell Solidus to get down? I can understand Raiden, but his murderous clone bro?
Good questions and i even wondered m self on ur last question. My best explanation is that everyone came together at that moment to fight a bigger threat than themselves. At least that's what I could come up with.
1. Do you mean when says, "You idiot! Get the hell away from there!"? I took it less out of compassion (although he didn't want Fortune dead, she just wasn't part of his plans anymore), more just "You're not going to help us that way" 2. She's just been told everything she's lived through, all her misery as well as her inability to end it, was scripted under someone else's control. It's like she's clinging to some shred of belief that there was something real to her, her abilities, beyond the Patriots control 3. He just says, "Everyone, get down!", right? It'd be kind of weird if he yelled out, "Raiden, and Fortune too I guess, get down! Solidus, fuck you!", lol. Think it was just a spur of the moment combat thing
The whole point was to see if they could create a solid snake through similar situations or memes. The theme of mgs1 was genes. The theme of mgs2 was memes
Asskickingness2014 It did and it led to the war economy which dominated the world after the events of MGS2 in which the Patriots were able to control through their machines in MGS4 as Drebin, Eva and Big Boss explained to Snake.
@@TheEnigma271 no, that was a lie... S3 was the selection for societal sanity, a program to see if the patriot ai could shape world events through media manipulation... The AI colonel and Rose literally explain it to you 😂
6:07 this is a big part of the game. YOU'RE supposed to be snake/the main character. the player is pretty much supposed to be venom snake. a phantom/avatar
I love how despite Fortune seeking vengeance and death, her last act is one of pure defiance in the face of it. Choosing to protect lives rather than take them, her father and husband would have been proud.
all these comments about quotes yet no one is mentioning how bad ass it is that solid snake just broke through handcuffs and DIVED TO FOLLOW THE METAL GEAR RAY thats why hes the second best character (yes im a big boss fangal what of it)
![Metal Gear Solid 2: All Solidus Snake Scenes [HD]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6EENt05b5l0/mqdefault.jpg)
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"There is no such thing as the Supernatural, only cutting edge technology!"
Ocelot, 4 years ago you worked with a guy that can read and control things with his mind.
And a chaman who could freeze Solid Snake with just a Raven resting on his shoulder.
Shaman*
I'm not sure it's Kojima being contradictory or it's just bad writing.
That can be all technology also, say psycho mantis had a very intricate system which read and analyzed all types of things such as heart rate, body temp, facial and body gesture and movements combine with mantis perceptiveness and psychology genius which allows him to accurately dive deeper into the mind of anyone all based on constant data analysis.
It's a bad translation. The JP version of the scene has him say that technology has reached the point it can perform miracles (like his dead co-worker Mantis or all the magical acts by the Cobra Unit). Not there's no "supernatural."
"There's no such thing as supernatural, only cutting edge technology" He then superjumps 100 feet on top of Metal Gear Ray.
Haha... Nanomachines.
SON!
And Psycho Mantis
*CAMP*
@@MirzaKhalid *M E R Y L
I wish there were more scenes with Liquid, Solid, and Solidus together
Would have been cool if MGS4 had been a three way between them (if Solidus had survived MGS2... I could even see he and Snake forming a reluctant partnership at one point.)
@@lockardthegoat5157 team up agaisnt liquid right
Technically, the “THE SYSTEM IS MINE” scene has them 3 together
Brothers reunited.
I just wished solidus was given a bigger spotlight. His voice acting and appearance i think is the best of all the snakes. Rip john cygan
"But before I go, I have a family matter to settle with both of you."
**leaves**
***** That's a thought. I did always notice that surfing line was out of place but it kinda makes sense the way you put it. A bit strange though. They shouldn't have made him say "I'm off to bury the Patriots for good."
***** So just saying that was all Liquid wanted?
***** So is he proving he's the true Snake by finding the Patriots? Or just stating it?
***** Alright I can get that... Still leaves dough ._.
Liquid-Ocelot always did prefer being dramatic before curling his moustache and running away.
"Given the right situation, the right story, *anyone* can be shaped into Snake.."
...
Oh my god.
Ocelot has been making Snakes and Big Bosses out of the average joe since the 1980's. All you need is a little hypnotizm and a bit of simulation.
PhAntom pains
@@joscardet387 yep
Shit ikr lmfqoo venom snake
People fall into archetypes, based on upbringing, social conditioning, and biological drives dictate the perception of life experience, self, environment and how that all interacts, thats what this games calling out, shits wild.
"There is no such thing as the Supernatural, only cutting edge technology!"
Oh hey, a mercenary says this at Mother Base in TPP.
+Nick Forbes obviously Ocelot hadn't met his father at that time. or got about Psycho Mantis. Remember Naomi was the one of the people in the game that invented Nanomachine technology that gave off the appearance that someone had become supernatural
+Nick Forbes That's the reason I'm watching this video right now. I KNEW I had heard that sentence in this scene, I just wanted to check if it made it into TPP verbatim :)
+Nick Forbes oh yea good call. I think they were referencing Quite saying she isnt supernatural...
+BlakeSmith17 Who's Ocelot's father?
PMantis013 The Sorrow
Liquid’s voice is just so charismatic
14:40-14:44 essentially Metal Gear Solid in a nut shell.
Good meme boi!
Getting henry cavil vibes from liquid and solid snake.
8:48 This too
now that I realize, Liquid Ocelot before saying "brothers" just materializes in top of the metal gear´s head xD
LIQUID!!!!!!!
"There's no such things as miracles or the supernatural, only cutting edge technology."
said the guy who's dad is a ghost/medium; and who used to work with a team with a guy who could control hornets, and old man who could absorb sunlight like a plant, and a huge Russian that could create electricity in his own body...
Ha.
And i forgot to mention he used to know Psycho Mantis.
You forgot that in Metal Gear there is always an answer to everything. And that's: nanomachines! XD lol
yeah but NANOMACHIIINES didn't exist during MGS3. and in less i'm mistaken they still won't exist during MGS5, which has kid psycho mantis in, and another sniper with weird sunlight powers :P
***** Yeah I know, I was joking. Well actually in the MGS series is not well known at what point tecnology and science are. In Phantom Pain the clones of Big Boss should be already born and look at that iDroid device. Notice also the new, red artificial arm of Big Boss not to mention that Gray Fox, back in Portable Ops was given super human strenght through science. So... It's really confusing... But surely The Sorrow had supernatural powers and stuff...
"Charades usually are humorous"
Ocelot was such a badass in this game, legendary 🙌🏼
"There's no such things as supernatural, only cutting edge technology!"
- The Sorrow
Parasites!
😂.
By his son, no less
"There is no such thing as the supernatural, only cutting edge technology?"
>Cobra Unit
>Volgin
>Psycho Mantis
Dude's personally met more of the supernatural than anyone in the series. Lmao
Don't forget that it's all a ruse (partially why Ocelot is such a magnificent bastard)
I think he meant technology is so much better than them that their powers are obsolete? Compare an average cyborg to them
That line is actually the result of a translation error.
Eng script dialogue only.
Parasites, son
BROOOTHERS!!!
+MrTyrannus *LIQUID!*
He's been waiting for this!!!!
MrTyrannus HERMANOS!
Grant from TFS: "God."
Lanipator from TFS: "Damnit."
LiquidPhase1307 Phase it can’t be
When Snake jumped after Ray, I said that motherfucker is crazy.
It's Snake. Dude's a badass lol
Just like Otacon said. every word of it.
It just shows how snake is towards Liquid
Maaaaan... I miss Liquid.
Metal Gear Liquid. I would love that.
A game focused on him and Phyco Mantis would be cool, especially assuming they are in cahoots in nearly every game liquid is in.
Actually this is a great idea, I’d love to play a game where liquid is the main character that will let us see his perspectives throughout his life ,, I’m sure that it’s going to be interesting.
the time line of the game should be right after Metal Gear phantom pain until the end of MGS1.
Yes.
Well Liquid went MIA for a few years during the Gulf war with no explanation why.
NO, METAL GEAR Volgin.
I prefer Liquid Ocelot with Liquid voice, is more epic!
Yeah
LIQUID SNAKE it makes less sense though.
My only gripe with MGS4, where was Cam Clarke?
@@JReed1985 Ocelot in mgs4 was not Liquid really
@@Miguel-ib4rd I know he was a doppelgänger, he used nano machines and gene therapy to act like Liquid.
5:37 "Fatman was our own..."
I did wonder how a thirty-stone man on roller-skates was getting around undetected.
I remember obsessing about this game in 2002, I must've been 13 at the time hehe. Looking at the graphics now, I can't help but think how brilliant it looks...it's really standing the test of time in an industry where it is exceedingly difficult to do so!
They really do hold up over 10 years later. Amazing
I think there ok like ok 5/10 maybe 4
@@diobrando4063 Considering how painfully terrible your grammar is, I don't think you can make any criticism.
the cinematography did wonders to make it look the best it could IMO
Mgs2 and 3 still looks good
I love how Liquid says “you’re the only one who can free me, after all-“, with an upward inflection, as if there was supposed to be more to that sentence…
… and then in the following scene just starts a new thought.
It is weird. There is another case of this when Raiden talks to the president and the president asks Raiden if he really believes that public opinion has influence on the government.
The codec text is "... No" making it seem like Raiden hesitates for a moment to accept it, but the voice-over is basically just the voice actor saying "No".
I do not speak Japanese, but from the demeanor it seems to be as expected in the Japanese version. The same goes for the scene you mentioned.
I have always wondered about this, I considered maybe they cut something out there. Maybe I'll go back and check the script, cos I know there were a few other examples of little bits that didn't make it, or things that weren't made clear in the game that were in the script (like the President grabbing Raiden because he mistakes him for Olga at first)
Poor translation
I just assumed it was going to be ‘after all we’re brothers ’
As cool as this whole scene is I always felt like it had pretty weird line delivery and awkwardly long pauses.
I love how fast Snake shouts Liquid!
+Gray Fox I thought you were splattered all over the floor of REX's hanger/ foot when Snake first yelled LIQUUUUUUID!
So they manage to explain away Fortune's magical ability with technology only to reintroduce the supernatural crap immediately after. lol kojima
+Snakezzz
ebic blot tweest :D:D:D
Nope , it was still the technological gizmo at work , it was the Patriots that reactivated the "thingy" because the "exercice" wasn't over , Raiden had one last task to do , fight with Solidus otherwise the S3 plan wouldn't be completed.
Ocelot mentioned offhand that Fortune DID have psychic abilities but likely paled by comparison to many others he met in the past.
Have you been paying a fucking attention to what the game's been trying to do the whole time or have you not?
@@GabisonStudios how you know this?
I love how occelots speech is just going on normaly but he keeps mentioning the ninja like its nothing. Perfectly normal for a cyborg ninja to show up.
in a series that includes a soldier that can spit hornets, a soviet colonel who can shoot electricity from his hands, a parasite that can kill anyone speaking a certain language, a man who with a horn protruding from his head and a robot arm in 1984, and countless nuclear mecha tanks, I think it's safe to assume that a cyborg ninja is low on the list of strange things to bring up in conversation at any point of this series
kingofburnttoast he’s not even the first. Aren’t we forgetting grey fox?
Seriously, even Vamp's status as a vampire pales in comparison to some more off the wall stuff in this franchise.
@@donutmerchant8393 even he wasn't first, there was Black Ninja in MG2, who was also part of Nasas space unit iirc
The way solid snake just fucking olympic dives after a giant robot and chases him through the fucking sea xD
I remember watching this for the first time thinking Solid and Solidus would both try and take down Liquid together
These games are everything to me. They've helped me through doubt and depression. I remember when I was 3 when mgs 1 came out in 1998. The best one in my opinion, but the storyline is perfect.
What an ironic statement, cause metal gear has always been a depressing series, with death and betrayal
I dont really care but why were u depressed at 3. That seems stupid plus you probable couldn't even play the game consider how small you literally were.
You were born the same year as me. That's pretty lame ur just crying
Im 93 these games are also close to my heart
It's funny how Ocelot show off his Liquid-arm when he used to break the punk-kid's arm and kick his ass senseless when he got out of line on the Mother Base.
I like the way ray stood upwards when liquid took over Ocelot
To show how dominant he is than anyone else
Love the way they directed how Ocelot shot Fortune. Quick and sharp. Makes the audience go “wtf”/“oh shit”
Solid snke and liquid the best
I love the fact that fortune is not reppeling the missiles. The missile DODGE her on their own
also I love Fortune's ass. absolutely killer sexy woman.
Aparture science gave them empathy chips
And empathy suppressor chips that seemingly maldunctioned😂
Liquid Ocelot technically isn't born sometime between the events of MGS2 and MGS4 Liquid's spirit annoyed Ocelot so much he got it replaced with a cybernetic arm and then he pretended to be Liquid throughout MGS4 hence why its Ocelot's voice in MGS4 and not Liquid's accent. Big Boss mentions that Ocelot had to pretend to be Liquid at the end of MGS4.
+Ry Guy I was just thinking about that! "Why does he sound like Liquid here, but not during 4?"
+jetex1911 To let us the viewers know who is talking as for mgs 4 there was no need for liquid voice because ocelot had complete control of him.
+Ry Guy Year after liquid died ocelot had his arm transplant and use hypnosis and drugs to make him into liquids doopelganger later he remove the arm and allowed himself to be possessed by psych.
Yes but in Japan they hired the voice actor who voiced Liquid, because the Japanese voice actor for Ocelot had died.
Exactly, he needed to make the patriots think that he was liquid, fooling them. After all, his real plan was a success (big boss was awaken from his nanomachine's coma)
“Except for the appearance of the real Solid Snake. I wonder now, who sent for you?”
Snakes all like
“It’s just what i do bro.”
"There's no such thing as the supernatural, only cutting edge technology"
*Immediately gets proven wrong by Fortune's "Psychic talents" and gets possessed by Liquid 'BROTHERS!!!' Snake*
Even without the context of MGS or later games that was a baffling contradiction,
I think that's the point, he was proven wrong
Psychic powers are just rare conditions and liquid is just hipno therapy and nanomachines.
In MGS4 it's confirmed (more accurately propably just retconned) that Liquid didn't actually "possesed" anyone and Ocelot is a just being a drama queen
@@isimyok960pure retcon.
@@isimyok960my less retconnia head cannon is that he really was getting possesed so he replaced liquids hand with a bionic later on but used his "possession" to fool the patriots and used self hypnosis to make it real
This whole section of the game was phenomenal and the drastic change in tone and atmosphere is the exact reason why this is my favourite game of all time
ELI!!!! i mean LIQUID!!!!!
Yes?
+Liquid Snake bruh,solid snake is the inferior one.
Oh that's right! Hahahaha he was always the weak one!
+Liquid Snake So... does that mean Solidus is in the middle then. :P
Santouryu3 Solidus? Never heard...
The only scene in the entirety of Metal Gear franchise when you can see the sons of Big Boss together, shame it is only the short time because it is extremely interesting to witness
Can be cool if it is turn to play as Solid Snake again with Solidus Snake unwillingly helping him in a boss fight against Liquid in Metal Gear RAY
Yes.
Not true. You see them together in 4. You just don’t realize that the body isn’t Big Boss.
Best game series ever made. And I'm back checking this out years later
You know what's kind of funny about this? Kiefer Sutherland. He sounds like Solidus here. And considering that Solidus himself is more or less a perfect clone of Big Boss, I think it's quite fitting for him to have the role of Big Boss...somewhat.
I like to think Big Boss changed his voice on purpose during the coma to stay hidden. When he was cloned, Solidus took that voice, while Solid was the only one with the natural voice. Liquid gained strong vocals because of his dominant genes.
Solidus sounds nothing like keifer
@@silverpslm jesus that was dumb...
@@BLACULA-Skeewoah Whys that?
who else would have liked to hear Liquid's voice coming out of Ocelot in MGS4?
Would've been awesome.
At least in the Japanese dub it was, but that's because Ocelot's VA has passed away
@@pavise6333 thats a shame, but yeah forced their hand to do the cool thing, its too bad when thats what it takes sometimes and its not the default. ;)
God, this game blew my mind twenty years ago
How Ocelot said “a orchestrated recreation of Shadow Moses” makes it sounds like that’s his dream
14:38 anyone else notice ocelot just appears instead of climbing out of ray?
Yeah lol
Well he's the son of Sorrow.
Simulation
10:18 That's funny to hear from the son of a Necromancer who gets his mind taken over by a dead man's spirit because he had his arm surgically attached to his...
That's not magic, it's Nanomachine son
Kevin Bernardini Did I mention he ran into a Psychic on three different occasions?
Kevin Bernardini It was magic first but then it became nanomachines when Ocelot got tired of Liquid's spirit annoying him so he got rid of Liquid's spirit from his body and pretended to be Liquid after in order to fool the Patriots.
I kinda preferred the idea that Liquid was able to possess Ocelot through his arm before they just went "nanomachines bra" for everything supernatural. Liquid was a bad ass and short lived, but instead it diminished Ocelots character in my opinion by claiming he'd had therapy to perfectly mimic Liquid and what not. I don't mind the supernatural in a sci-fi, but they should have ran with it rather than trying to explain it with pseudo-science.
Snake actually during mgs2 Liquid very much indeed possessed liquid partly, but after these events ocelot went to get his liquid arm replaced with a robotic arm and injected nanomachines and some genes of liquid into himself.
Na I disagree. It makes Ocelot look fucking retarded. There’s no way he’d let Liquid take over his body when he has 2 fucking years to get rid of it
@@captainmacmellon8909 its even more retarded he'd fuck his mind up to think like liquid when he has the real one in there
@@canevas1017 wait was Liquid *actually* possessing Ocelot at any point? Wtf
@@N7spongy yes in mgs2
There is no such thing as the Supernatural, only cutting edge technology, now if you'll excuse me, since it's not retconned yet, i'll go before the spirit in my right arm takes over my body, also fun fact, my father was a spirit apparition.
Ocelot was hypocrite.
Explanation for anything supernatural in MGS
Parasites = Big Boss era
Nanomachines = Solid Snake era
Did anyone else feel really, REALLY bad for what happened to Fortune?
No she wanted to fucking nuke new york
I mean you're supposed to feel bad for fortune. The hint is kinda in her code name
Can't believe this game is nearly 20 years old. Still holds up and for me, the best game in the series.
People double cross a lot in this game huh?
Ocelot quadruple crosses just about everyone.
Every game.
Even Boss.
Liquid doesn't even have his original body for pete's sake and he can still double cross.
Its pretty much the entire story
Well technically, he never crosses Big Boss.
almost as if it was written by George RR Martin
The scene that made everyone go WTF? Honestly, it took two full games to explain all the questions this scene raised.
Snake diving after Ray is seriously badass and only serves to remind me how utterly devastating it is having to spend the majority of this game as Raiden cartwheeling about with a gay vampire.
Not really,raiden is cool
Raiden is cooler than you could ever hope to be
i love mgs2 but lol
Best comment ever haha
Liquid Ocelot: There only room for one snake and one Big Boss. That is one badass line from 💧 liquid Snake 🐍
The boss said it first
This game's story is unique, it makes me both understand and not understand it at the same time
I'd have gone with schizophrenic over unique, but they are iconic.😅
"She IS lady luck..." my favorite scene
Looking back, Liquid Ocelot was a bit of a mistake honestly. Kojima going as far to say that Ocelot planned it all and was doing a Liquid cosplay comes off as him trying to redo a plot point he came to regret.
I thought back then that they should have either brought Liquid back in person (their original plan) or just left Ocelot alone as himself. Liquid "surviving" through an arm was the dumbest plot ever, even after they explained it.
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Kojima's main problem is that he treated every MGS like it would be his last. As such, he got rid of characters he could have used in later games(it's a miracle he didn't kill Ocelot in MGS1) and he has to retcon things to include them one way or another(Gray Fox is a perfect example of this. He was blown to bits in MG2, yet somehow he survived both that and Zanzibar's destruction)
Kojima himself said that , had he known he would make another MGS, he wouldn't have killed Liquid.
It's strange that he always intended every MGS game to be the last given that every single game aside from the last one leaves us hanging with a cliffhanger that feels like it's setting up for a sequel, ESPECIALLY the second one.
Brothers I've been waiting for this.
Such a shame Fortune went out like that, in the end she protected both Snakes, Raiden, and herself with one of the biggest middle fingers to Ocelot's Nanomachines and Cutting-Edge technology bs, and died after a long journey of pain and misery
She would've liked to meet Otacon, just saying
All this only for Ocelot to get a chance to revive Big Boss, a true friend and fanboy :)
None of Ocelot’s actions here make any sense with what we learn in MGS4 that this is all part of his plan to free Big Boss. One more big piece of evidence that it was a weird, canon-destroying retcon from a game Kojima never wanted to make.
13:09 that smoke effect is the best iv ever seen in any video game till now 2018/02/16
Liquid: "Snake, You coming?"
Snake: "GRAAHHHH......" *falls together*
Raiden: "SNAKE!"
*Solidus: "Well, that was something. I'm third son anyway, doesn't care about "older" brothers matter..." ._.*
As it turns out this actually was liquid controlling ocelot. Which is why he got rid of liquid's arm and replaced it with a prosthetic one in mgs4.
Nobody:
Liquid: BROTHERRRRRR
Snake: LIQUID!!
Raiden:SNAAAAAKE
Solidus: wtf?
Best part was when solid snake screamed noo.. then you realised how hopeless the situation in that moment really was.
Don't you just hate that feeling when you get your arm back only to have it control your mind?
Yeah, but ocelot did it to free big boss and fool the patriot system, ocelot always had his right arm in the past, he just switched it with liquid's arm to obtain liquids personality + theory and all the other bullshit
Hehehehe... sorry to drop by here boys! ;))
I like your sunglasses.
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Liquid Snake Líquid!!!!!!
Liquid Snake LIQUIIIIIIDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!
Dear brother.
Ocelot: No, not now!
Me: ...No way, he didn't just-
Ocelot: BRO'ER
Me: FUCK
Fucking love how solidus swords have that blue glow
This game has oddly gotten more relevant with age.
That's because this game was directly predicting the age of technology we're currently living in
THEN WHY WAS THE SKULLS TECH NEVER REPRODUCED???
I'm assuming when Code Talker passed away, parasite tech could never be further developed or understood.
+Jackson Myers something something patriot covered up the tech something something parasites
because the parasite ended up becoming FOXDIE
+freezer nanomachines son...
freezer
That's pretty much it really.
Let's disregard the fact that Kojima hasn't planned that far ahead and thought MGSV was going to be a thing.
Even Skullface said that once he dies, he'll just be another phantom forgotten in history because The Patriots controlled information and they wanted him gone entirely. I'm assuming that all the research and creations of Skullface were either erased or they kept it and found other ways to implement it better, case in point, Foxdie.
at 14:20 when Liquid takes over, RAY stands upright. Looks an awful lot like the posture of MG Sahelanthropus (SP?) from MGSV, when liquid is just a kid.
Don't know if it's intentional, but pretty cool.
My favorite cutscene from MGS2
This is the most metal gear set of cutscenes ever.
Things I'm just wondering right now.
- Why does Solidus bother to tell Fortune to get to cover? She's an underling who just tried to betray him.
- Why does Fortune bother to use her inexplicable telekinetic powers to shield herself and the rest from Ocelot's missiles? She's been looking to die for some time and no one around her matters to her.
- Why does Solid bother to tell Solidus to get down? I can understand Raiden, but his murderous clone bro?
Good questions and i even wondered m self on ur last question. My best explanation is that everyone came together at that moment to fight a bigger threat than themselves. At least that's what I could come up with.
1) words
2)words 3)words
4) anyone who sees shots and has militar training saud those things on instintc
@@elcalabozodelandroide2 Ugh
1. Do you mean when says, "You idiot! Get the hell away from there!"? I took it less out of compassion (although he didn't want Fortune dead, she just wasn't part of his plans anymore), more just "You're not going to help us that way"
2. She's just been told everything she's lived through, all her misery as well as her inability to end it, was scripted under someone else's control. It's like she's clinging to some shred of belief that there was something real to her, her abilities, beyond the Patriots control
3. He just says, "Everyone, get down!", right? It'd be kind of weird if he yelled out, "Raiden, and Fortune too I guess, get down! Solidus, fuck you!", lol. Think it was just a spur of the moment combat thing
Though i believe MGS is the singularity in the univers of this game, the ending of MGS2 is masterful and up there
Good game..
"before I go I have a family matter to settle with both of you. There's room for only one snake and one big boss"
Leaves immediately after that
14:40 ;) do you like my sunglasses?
Ocelot is the true hero of metal gear all he wanted was to collapse everything
He wanted to bring back big boss who would have turned the world into endless chaos and war so he isn't a good guy.
Looks like this plot twist has a plot twist
This game's story confused the hell out of me playing it back when I was a teenager.
I just sat here and listened to Ocelot explain his entire plan, and I still don't know what the fuck is going on. I guess that's Metal Gear for ya.
The best part is - neither does Kojima
Es aquí cuando ocelot paso de ser un antagonista genérico a unos de los mejores personajes escrito de toda la saga de metal gear
14:40 He sounds so happy!
I'll squeeze the answers out of you instead my son! Was anyone else literally not able to press the button that fast on extreme?
imagine this happens to Joji during a live concert and he switches to Filthy Frank and starts singing pink guy songs
Comment made me chuckle ngl
And by the way my pet rat
I was the one who ate your parents!
Solid Snake-David
Liquid Snake-Eli
Solidus Snake-George
Ocelot.....your dad is a ghost 👻
11:33 This scene will later implement in Metal Gear Rising Revengence
15:47 I hope this is a mistranslation, because this makes zero sense.
MGS2 is the “oh woooow there’s something supernatural about all of this!” Part
MGS4 is the “Yeah, about that. That was an immense joke” part.
the whole point of the Patriots training program on big shell is to see if the A.I. can manipulate wirld events, it succeeded
The whole point was to see if they could create a solid snake through similar situations or memes. The theme of mgs1 was genes. The theme of mgs2 was memes
Asskickingness2014 It did and it led to the war economy which dominated the world after the events of MGS2 in which the Patriots were able to control through their machines in MGS4 as Drebin, Eva and Big Boss explained to Snake.
@@TheEnigma271 no, that was a lie... S3 was the selection for societal sanity, a program to see if the patriot ai could shape world events through media manipulation... The AI colonel and Rose literally explain it to you 😂
From what I can understand, It seems end in the end that the Patriots managed to do a re-telling of Metal Gear Solid 3 than Metal Gear Solid.
Solidus is a beast for dodging those bullets with his swords.
9:53 YOU MISSED! HOW COULD YOU MISS?! HE WAS THREE FEET IN FRONT OF YOU!!
She didn't missed, he deflected it with guizmo
Fucking _Mulan_ reference lmao
Gizmo
Monthy python russian excecution reference
16:53 snake really has an obsession with Metal Gears.
How can Ocelot say there is no such thing as the supernatural.The Sorrow in MGS 3 was literally able to talk to dead soldiers.
You could see those soldiers with good technology.
@@elcalabozodelandroide2 ah yes apparently technology can allow you to do it.
@@Kira22558 literally.
A camara and good sing lenguage would make any medium jobless in the mgs franchise.
@@elcalabozodelandroide2yeah.
What if Fortune just walked off as Ocelot laughed?
"Whatever"
"Hey wait! I was laughing!"
Can't believe I never caught that before, but liquid kinda just teleported out of the ray cockpit at 14:37
It's almost as if mgs2 is a simulation
Before everyone freaks out, the line about there being no such thing as the supernatural is a mistranslation.
6:07 this is a big part of the game. YOU'RE supposed to be snake/the main character. the player is pretty much supposed to be venom snake. a phantom/avatar
I love how despite Fortune seeking vengeance and death, her last act is one of pure defiance in the face of it. Choosing to protect lives rather than take them, her father and husband would have been proud.
all these comments about quotes yet no one is mentioning how bad ass it is that solid snake just broke through handcuffs and DIVED TO FOLLOW THE METAL GEAR RAY thats why hes the second best character (yes im a big boss fangal what of it)
Kojima seems to agree since big boss has more games then David