Does Down Tuning Really Make Riffs Heavier?

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  • Does down tuning actually sound heavier or is it something else?
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  • @danielskrivan6921
    @danielskrivan6921 Před 4 lety +972

    "27 inches, which is very, very long."
    Me: Laughs in bass.

    • @WTBlizzard
      @WTBlizzard Před 4 lety +19

      thats what she said

    • @vantheman1wald
      @vantheman1wald Před 4 lety +53

      slapped like on that comment

    • @slipknotmfkrlocust8843
      @slipknotmfkrlocust8843 Před 4 lety +12

      I have a 28 scale inch guitar

    • @awesome10pickles32
      @awesome10pickles32 Před 4 lety +48

      *Laughs harder in 41 inch upright bass scale length*

    • @AFN2750
      @AFN2750 Před 4 lety +3

      SlipknotMFKR out of curiosity what make/model is it? Not sure ive ever seen a 28 that wasn’t an 8 string, but then again I mostly just see “baritone” and think 27 or 27.5 and never check for sure

  • @PowderedYak
    @PowderedYak Před 4 lety +447

    Preferred the standard on all of them, but that really just makes me think they were all written on that guitar initially. Had it been the other way around I suspect I would have preferred the baritone versions. The best riffs are built around the timbre of the instrument I reckon.

    • @landrybasket
      @landrybasket Před 4 lety +60

      I was waiting for someone to say that. I saw a video of drop d vs drop d one octave lower and the more precise and thrashy riffs worked in the higher tuning while the low tuning was best for slow and brooding djenty riffs. At a certain point, low tuned power chords get really muddy.

    • @AFN2750
      @AFN2750 Před 4 lety +21

      I completely agree with your timbre comment, and I REALLY didn’t expect anyone to say that, because that’s far to logical for the tribalistic nature of the internet. That said, I agree, I also think he’s palm muting where he would for a normal scale guitar, quite close to the bridge, which means the mutes sound very different ( and in my opinion less good, but that’s just personal preference )

    • @Mischu708
      @Mischu708 Před 4 lety

      That's what i thought when i played megadeth and metallica in d standard and it sounded really weird

    • @CanadianUnicornDeathSquad
      @CanadianUnicornDeathSquad Před 4 lety +1

      I think a lot of us feel this way. I’ve heard plenty of songs written in standard that sounded super heavy.

    • @grshorwich
      @grshorwich Před 4 lety +4

      TBH I think the standard sounded better too. It's not just about pitch, it's definition as well, and the baritone just lacked it to my ears. Perhaps with a bit less gain it would improve?

  • @courtnrysalamone7677
    @courtnrysalamone7677 Před 4 lety +205

    "Fat and evil"
    Sounds like if i had a social media bio

  • @vladv5126
    @vladv5126 Před 4 lety +338

    Phil Anselmo on downtuning: "Is there no standard anymore?"

    • @yeeaahBUDDY
      @yeeaahBUDDY Před 4 lety +3

      I see what you did there ;)

    • @elixenramirez740
      @elixenramirez740 Před 4 lety +1

      Lmao

    • @vladv5126
      @vladv5126 Před 4 lety

      @@ThomasOlsenJr76333 someone didn't get the joke

    • @tfwnoyandere
      @tfwnoyandere Před 4 lety +16

      One of the things most unique to Dimebag throughout his career was his use of altered tunings. From Cowboys From Hell to Reinventing the Steel, Dime constantly challenged the preconceptions of how a guitar should be tuned. Early on, when tuned “regularly” to E (E, A, D, G, B, E), Dime’s guitars were actually tuned down more than a quarter step. As his guitar tech has noted, that meant that the guitars were tuned to “D# plus 40 cents on his Korg tuner. The A string was G# plus 40 cents, D was C# plus 40 cents, etc.” (Note: The Van Halen influence is definitely in effect here, as Van Halen I and Van Halen II are tuned in a similar manner.)
      Dimebag also experimented with “drop D” tuning on Cowboys From Hell (C# plus 40 cents), but later become a fan of tuning the entire guitar down a whole step, beginning with A Vulgar Display of Power. This tuning (D,G,C,F,A,D-a quarter step flat) was used extensively on “Walk” and “A New Level." Further use of this tuning was used on Far Beyond Driven (“Becoming,” “I’m Broken,” “5 Minutes Alone,” etc.), and by Reinventing the Steel it was Dime’s main “standard” tuning.
      Never one to be limited, Dime also used a “drop D down one step” (C,G,C,F,A,D), and “down 1 ½ steps” (C#,F#,B,E,G#,C#). The last, which is the same tuning used by Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath, was a favorite of Dime’s on The Great Southern Trendkill (“Drag the Waters”, etc.), and became the new standard by the time of his band Damageplan (New Found Power), though Dime was also known to use “drop D down 1 ½ steps” (B,F#,B,E,G#,C#).

    • @Candleinchains
      @Candleinchains Před 4 lety

      @@ThomasOlsenJr76333 funny,that's what I think about lower tunings,the lower you tune,the lamer it is

  • @7stringslinger74
    @7stringslinger74 Před 4 lety +55

    I've had a baritone for almost 3 years, and I absolutely love it. Brutal AF. A lot of people are talking about how muddy they are, but that's very easy to remedy with the right amp settings, pickups, and string gauge. It isn't necessarily "more metal," but you definitely get a fatter, more robust low end tone that's very pleasing. This guitar has helped me find my own voice that I was always missing. And you have the comfort of a 6 string neck width with the tuned down goodness of a 7 string!

    • @_charwyn
      @_charwyn Před 4 lety +2

      7stringslinger74 yeah, also people don’t seem to get that you kinda need to adjust your playing to the gauge and tension. Not every guitarist would sound good with a bass for the same exact reason. If playing bass with distortion and chords was the norm, people would complain that “basses are muddy” too xD

    • @robob3ar
      @robob3ar Před 4 lety

      Elijah Charwyn yes, I sort of thought of bass as a simpler guitar, but it’s all different, firstly the frets a lot longer and you keep your hand up a lot - and you wnd up tired a lot faster, and then you can’t just use a pick if you want the low end to fit the guitar.. anyway different and more work, also need thicker skin..
      I’ve been thinking on a 7 string, but not sure about the width, I do mainly play the fattest strings..

    • @luxuriousfir
      @luxuriousfir Před rokem

      I love mine. The local "guitarist" "friends" from my town are all gossiping and talking s*** about me cuz I play a baritone down tuned. It's so hilarious.!

  • @landrybasket
    @landrybasket Před 4 lety +69

    Riff 1: higher
    Riff 2: lower
    Riff 3: lower
    Riff 4: higher
    The biggest thing to remember about downtuning is writing to the timbre of the instrument you’re playing. Sludgy and brooding riffs work better in lower tuning while the high tuning helps with keeping clarity in precise playing.

    • @ravensflight2965
      @ravensflight2965 Před rokem +3

      Thats why I prefer a 7 String in Standard B. You basically got the E Standard with an extra low B.

  • @jakeybball
    @jakeybball Před 4 lety +603

    Gojira literally wrote the heaviest matter in the universe in D standard soooo

    • @zamkowicz
      @zamkowicz Před 4 lety +88

      Aka the most appropriately named metal song ever

    • @wolfyhii5446
      @wolfyhii5446 Před 4 lety +23

      @@zamkowicz Also the best metal song like, ever (Well, maybe top 5 at least)

    • @akyo_zynk
      @akyo_zynk Před 4 lety +48

      I think that the heaviness of the riff is not in the tunning, is in the way you write the riffs, if it's designed to be heavier in drop A than drop D then it will sound heavier in Drop A, although i wonder how it will sound Laid To Rest by Lamb Of God in Drop A

    • @StuntcatTV
      @StuntcatTV Před 4 lety +2

      ...soooo WHAT?

    • @jasonlovesmusicreacting882
      @jasonlovesmusicreacting882 Před 4 lety +6

      Killswitch Engage and Counterparts have wrote countless of heaviest riffs in that tuning too.

  • @Atsaan
    @Atsaan Před 4 lety +100

    Hey, that first riff was Embodiment by Carcass isn't it ?
    well second riff was also Carcass, love it !

    • @kermitthefrog3348
      @kermitthefrog3348 Před 4 lety +4

      Atsaan I knew that riff seemed familiar

    • @eddyguizonde401
      @eddyguizonde401 Před 4 lety +5

      blind leading the blind

    • @lockedowng
      @lockedowng Před 4 lety +2

      New respect for Pete

    • @Lucait
      @Lucait Před 4 lety

      damn i had to read your comment before 👍🏻

    • @atoma8921
      @atoma8921 Před 4 lety +4

      @@eddyguizonde401 *Blind Bleeding the Blind

  • @wolvetica
    @wolvetica Před 4 lety +23

    Riff 1: standard was heavy enough, bari felt like to much
    Riff 2: bari sounded much better
    Riff 3: both sound good.
    Riff 4: felt designed for the bari, but sounded amazing on the standard

  • @HersgoryJigurda
    @HersgoryJigurda Před 4 lety +53

    0:55
    Like if you recognized Carcass

    • @flonaise
      @flonaise Před 4 lety +1

      Riffing straight into Embodiment caught me by surprise as well!

    • @ProjectCreativityGuy96
      @ProjectCreativityGuy96 Před 4 lety +1

      Embodiment from Heartwork! ;)

    • @springbloom5940
      @springbloom5940 Před 4 lety

      Ha. Thought it was my imagination.

    • @mrsweetkandy7673
      @mrsweetkandy7673 Před 4 lety

      I had so much troubles recognizing from where I knew the riff. I knew I listened to that specific song very very often but couldn't remember from where.
      At some point i settled on Arch Enemy. I was wrong but.. not that far

    • @Lostsage01
      @Lostsage01 Před 3 lety

      Followed by Blind Leading the Blind at 2:45 🤘

  • @steakiefrags1866
    @steakiefrags1866 Před 4 lety +91

    Every riff you...just...play sounds songworthy. Heavy af

    • @kormendymatyas8667
      @kormendymatyas8667 Před 4 lety +4

      some of those are actually riffs from songs, not to take away the credit

    • @eddyguizonde401
      @eddyguizonde401 Před 4 lety +2

      the first three are carcass (forgot song name) ac/dc (back in black) and carcass (blind leading the blind)

    • @steakiefrags1866
      @steakiefrags1866 Před 4 lety

      @@eddyguizonde401 not those, the ones he played to compare

    • @atoma8921
      @atoma8921 Před 4 lety

      @@eddyguizonde401 *Blind Bleeding the Blind

  • @lostlittlenoobvt
    @lostlittlenoobvt Před 4 lety +5

    Sooooo sick man!! Keeping being awesome and stay metal! \m/

  • @ujiltromm7358
    @ujiltromm7358 Před 4 lety +207

    Check out Nik Nocturnal's latest video: riffs in E.
    You yourself also did an up tuned metal video. It was heavy AF.
    Riffs are heavy. Not tunings. Peace.

    • @Biohazardableful
      @Biohazardableful Před 4 lety +7

      Pete gives you 2 same exact riffs in different tunings, so you can hear for yourself. Your statement "Riffs are heavy. Not tunings" is inappropriate here.

    • @nickcollins9893
      @nickcollins9893 Před 4 lety +8

      It's a balance between both what makes the ACTUAL MUSIC heavy.

    • @zfin87
      @zfin87 Před 4 lety +6

      Riffs are Heavy, Tunings are heavy, tunings help riffs be heavier.
      Heavy Tuned riffs are a blessing.

    • @williamiceman9939
      @williamiceman9939 Před 3 lety +1

      🤦‍♂️
      Just cause they’re are heavy riffs in E, doesn’t mean it’s HEAVIER.
      The lower tuning helps make the riff heaviER, it doesn’t automatically make it heavy

  • @MySpaceDxC_Suffo_AtTheGates

    The heaviest metalcore album I’ve ever heard was written in Drop D. It really is the riffing technique that makes a song heavy.

    • @thiagofigueiredo2976
      @thiagofigueiredo2976 Před rokem +1

      Can you recommend us this album, please?

    • @Kruegernator123
      @Kruegernator123 Před rokem +3

      Personally the lowest tuning I like for guitars is C#. Everything gets too muddy below that.

    • @amaurypalmen7968
      @amaurypalmen7968 Před 3 měsíci

      @@thiagofigueiredo2976 maybe ; As i lay dying an ocean between us

  • @kjaro5401
    @kjaro5401 Před 4 lety +4

    I should mention that while a lot of people say there are loads of really heavy riffs in higher tunings, there are also a lot of very clean and touchy-feely riffs in low tunings. For example, Jake's riff from garden in the bones by Periphery is in AGCFAD tuning, and is not heavy at all (I love that riff btw). This goes to show that tuning doesn't affect the intensity of a song in the way most people think it does. The tuning really affects the feel more so in my opinion.

  • @twowiresthick
    @twowiresthick Před 4 lety

    It sounds great and I learned something. Thank you for making this vid.

  • @Jord229
    @Jord229 Před 4 lety +9

    I feel down tuning adds like a "twang" to the sound, which impacts the tone a lot, kinda like playing slap bass. Obviously whether or not this works for a particular song is dependent on whether the song was wrote with it in mind.

  • @pimsmise
    @pimsmise Před 4 lety +219

    Definitely heavier for me. Sounds miles better on the baritone to my ears

    • @zionlee1004
      @zionlee1004 Před 4 lety +11

      well you are wrong and thats a fact...
      just kidding

    • @mikhailplatonov8039
      @mikhailplatonov8039 Před 4 lety +3

      This difference in sound are just another pickups/wood/strings whatever
      I don't think baritone affects on the sound THAT much

    • @pimsmise
      @pimsmise Před 4 lety +11

      @@mikhailplatonov8039 disagree. Not talking about the tone. It just sounds heavier overall because of the lower pitch. It could be the same guitar with a lower pitch and I'd still prefer it lower

    • @restoringforce9893
      @restoringforce9893 Před 4 lety +5

      100% agree bro. Drop fucking F for example sounds definitely heavier than E standard aka dad-rock tuning. And there's nothing you can do about it
      If somebody says that Sylosis's riffs are heavy I get it. But compared to MIW's Black Damask, Devil's Night and Burned at Both Ends (which are in Drop A and sound absolutely phenomenal from perspective of guitar tone) Sylosis's riffs are just nice light chugga-chugga

    • @robinsarebirds1153
      @robinsarebirds1153 Před 4 lety +2

      The first riff I liked more on the standard six string, every other riff I enjoyed more on the barritone. I myself play with extra heavy gauge strings on a standard six string in C standard and drop A# and I enjoy it.

  • @rickfromtexas4659
    @rickfromtexas4659 Před 3 lety

    That is a beautiful guitar. I have just begun playing the guitar and I find your videos very informative. Thanks a lot.

  • @jessegolden23
    @jessegolden23 Před 4 lety

    I have the first model, love it, cool to see you jam on it

  • @p8ball82
    @p8ball82 Před 4 lety +63

    I gotta say I kinda dig the baritone guitar for some of those riffs. Ok, most of those riffs. Ok, fine, all of those riffs.

    • @SynthChris
      @SynthChris Před 4 lety

      Bro if you dig baritones you should check out The Bunn on CZcams, his channel’s only for baritones

  • @palmmute
    @palmmute Před 4 lety +41

    Generally speaking lowering the tuning will make it sound heavier BUT there's some riffs that (in my opinion) sound heavier played in Drop D than in like Drop C or even B. Some that come to mind right away are God Hates Us by A7X and Laid to Rest by Lamb of God.

    • @palmmute
      @palmmute Před 4 lety +5

      To me, playing those riffs sounds "heavier" in drop d than in lower tunings 🤔

    • @trebmaster
      @trebmaster Před 4 lety +7

      Does anybody even really have a strict, objective definition of what sounds "heavy"?

    • @palmmute
      @palmmute Před 4 lety

      @@trebmaster good point

    • @saiyansatan
      @saiyansatan Před 4 lety

      @@trebmaster I do, but my views are my own...sooo

    • @eizzah8323
      @eizzah8323 Před 4 lety +1

      Yup, say hello to The Heaviest Matter of the Universe (D standard)

  • @BrandonVoorhees
    @BrandonVoorhees Před 4 lety

    Sounds great!

  • @Salsicha1
    @Salsicha1 Před 4 lety

    Hey ya, Pete!!
    I like the regular tuning with the black guitar.

  • @DavidNwokoye
    @DavidNwokoye Před 4 lety +7

    4:11 is the riff from the first round of Jared Dines vs Sarah Longfield. 🤘🤘🤘
    That's pretty awesome

  • @dylanshoemaker2994
    @dylanshoemaker2994 Před 4 lety +4

    To me it all depends on the riff and style of music you're going for. Both sound great in my opinion. I usually play in C# for my Death/Thrash metal type stuff and I play in drop A for my Slam/Deathcore stuff.

    • @JeremiahDaniel1995
      @JeremiahDaniel1995 Před rokem

      I have always preferred C# for Nu Metal it chugs very well for the most part but can u really drop a baritone guitar to C sharp or C flat???
      Or do u have to change the strings on the baritone guitar in order for it to be done like that?

  • @David1808cyr
    @David1808cyr Před 4 lety

    I was rocking to this video hard! I watched it like three times!

  • @justinalvarado2422
    @justinalvarado2422 Před 4 lety

    I love how you started with Carcass! 🤘

  • @DragonsGemstone
    @DragonsGemstone Před 4 lety +3

    I love u and ur vids man \m/ thrash on bro!! ❤️

  • @peteplaysmusic
    @peteplaysmusic  Před 4 lety +47

    Does it sound heavier, what do you think? :)

  • @carlosfernandes6610
    @carlosfernandes6610 Před 4 lety

    Insane. Love it

  • @bassface5983
    @bassface5983 Před 3 lety

    I literally just ordered that exact guitar...cant wait till it comes in...

  • @otjunior
    @otjunior Před 4 lety +122

    Low tuning sounds exactly how you said it big beef and fat. Now “heavier” or more “metal” no, I don’t think so. Metal is all about attitude, if it makes your face crunch and your fit tighter then it’s metal. 🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽

    • @Williamstanway
      @Williamstanway Před 4 lety +7

      That's a great point , for instance I would consider 'helter skelter ' by the Beatles heavy as fuck .

    • @kevinc6323
      @kevinc6323 Před 4 lety +8

      @@Williamstanway Agree and think that Pete needs to do Helter Skelter in the style of 20 bands.

    • @Williamstanway
      @Williamstanway Před 4 lety

      I also agree

    • @kingperc6834
      @kingperc6834 Před 4 lety +1

      Same I think Johnny B Goode will forever be the heaviest riff

    • @nickmaatjes5611
      @nickmaatjes5611 Před 4 lety

      well said dude!!!!

  • @COMICSCOFFEEMETAL
    @COMICSCOFFEEMETAL Před 4 lety +16

    WINNAHS:
    1: Baritone
    2: Standard
    3: Standard
    4: Baritone

    • @Soloeagle54
      @Soloeagle54 Před 4 lety +3

      It's the exact opposite for me. That's funny. The riffs sound really good either way though

    • @Candleinchains
      @Candleinchains Před 4 lety

      Decide yourself man lmao

  • @Auro22
    @Auro22 Před 4 lety

    That's a fucking SICK guitar! sounds super! would love to try one !

  • @steeeeeve536
    @steeeeeve536 Před 4 lety

    I’ve got the V1 version of that same guitar and I agree, it is a fantastic guitar, especially for the price. Swapped out the pickups for some Lundgren m6s and couldn’t be happier.

  • @beholden_to_ducks
    @beholden_to_ducks Před 4 lety +18

    Had one fellow once try to convince me that he tunes down to B with extra light strings and gets no excess slack in the strings whatsoever.

    • @tahnnickson1069
      @tahnnickson1069 Před 4 lety +4

      Lol I use fattys and still feel loose as fuck in B with a standard guitar setup

    • @themightymcb7310
      @themightymcb7310 Před 4 lety +1

      I usually just stick 10-52s on in D standard or Drop C with a normal setup, regular 9s for E standard, and I haven't found anything that works well for lower than the low C because I would need to cut my nut to make it work

    • @beholden_to_ducks
      @beholden_to_ducks Před 4 lety

      @@themightymcb7310 how would cutting the neck help?

    • @themightymcb7310
      @themightymcb7310 Před 4 lety

      @@beholden_to_ducks not the neck, the nut. Most stock nuts aren't wide enough to accommodate a .60 gauge string, so you need to cut them wider.

    • @martingarricks6209
      @martingarricks6209 Před 4 lety

      Why does no one get you can play with 46-9s on drop b the strings don’t even wobble and it sounds the same imo

  • @gergoolle5773
    @gergoolle5773 Před 4 lety +4

    When you play the lowest string with a shit load of reverb. Now that is the sweet spot.
    Can create a bigget space with the baritone. Just fill your soul up. ^^

  • @metalmix7773
    @metalmix7773 Před 4 lety +1

    Honestly I don't think you can have one without the other. I like the contrast between parts. Pretty awesome!

  • @ShallieDragon
    @ShallieDragon Před 4 lety +2

    As the owner of an ML1 Baritone V1, I can say it's probably one of my favorite guitars to play. Plus, the longer scale length means it can be tuned even lower. I've comfortably tuned my ML1 down to G standard and Drop F, and it played fine. While it may not have as many strings, it can still play as low as a 7 or even an 8 string guitar.

  • @LosRockson
    @LosRockson Před 4 lety +15

    Like if you recognized “Embodiment” by the first riff.

  • @apoplexiamusic
    @apoplexiamusic Před 4 lety +4

    Riff 1: standard
    Riff 2: baritone
    Riff 3: works equally well with both tunings
    Riff 4: standard

  • @Lostsage01
    @Lostsage01 Před 3 lety

    Holy shit, busting out the Embodiment and Blind Leading the Blind riffs from Carcass straight away? On point, my man - on point 🤘

  • @iyotk
    @iyotk Před 4 lety

    Beautiful guitar by the way.

  • @andy_ped8500
    @andy_ped8500 Před 4 lety +6

    My man chugged so hard his monitor started shaking

  • @hembryguitars
    @hembryguitars Před 4 lety +34

    Well, with a B-to-b baritone dropped tuned to A, the A string is the same A as a bass. Lower does not equal heavier. Lower equals muddier...especially in a mix.

    • @devosaurs3632
      @devosaurs3632 Před 4 lety +6

      That purely depends on pickups, scale length and tuning stability. Lower doesn’t equal heavier but it’s fun. That’s the whole point dude

    • @7stringslinger74
      @7stringslinger74 Před 4 lety +2

      @@devosaurs3632 absolutely. It also depends on the string gauge. The heavier you go, the more your pick attack suffers. I use a 13-64 set that still gives you a nice crisp attack. Some dudes are using .75 and higher, and I think it sounds like sludge.

    • @royalcat10
      @royalcat10 Před 4 lety +7

      That tells me you aren't very experienced in setting the EQ... On your own amp and mixing a song.
      When you use lower tunings, to avoid the muddiness you cut some of the bass out of the EQ and add more treble. Also you typically want to be on the bridge pick up.
      It's already low, it's already going to sound big and fat, so you dont need to crank the bass frequencies in the same manner you would using standard tuning. You want more high end to bring out the definition of the notes.
      It's only muddy if you don't know how to properly set up your amp... And that means you're going to sound bad regardless of your tuning.

    • @devosaurs3632
      @devosaurs3632 Před 4 lety

      royalcat10 definitely aware of that already my friend

    • @royalcat10
      @royalcat10 Před 4 lety +1

      @@devosaurs3632 That was moreso directed at the original commenter.

  • @deviltelletubbie
    @deviltelletubbie Před 4 lety

    Had my Chapman V2 bari for almost a year now and I love to bits. Insane value for money. It’s beyond ridiculous how much clarity there is in even the lowest of tunings.
    Been switching mine between Drop G# and Drop F# and it sounds clearer and tighter than most 8-string guitars, and needs very little setup for it, just a little bit of intonation. Even tunings lower than those sound really tight (talking Drop E here). Thing’s an absolute monster. Barely touched another guitar since getting it.

  • @ryanfullen782
    @ryanfullen782 Před 4 lety

    That thing is hella rad 🤘🏻🤘🏻

  • @gr4ve686
    @gr4ve686 Před 4 lety +27

    Honestly, downtuning doesn't make things heavier imo, just Chunky. And obviously, some riffs need that chunk, while others don't. Bleed would sound like crap in E standard, while Sylosis would sound just plain weird in B standard. Whether or not you need to down tune depends entirely on the riff.

    • @aaronstrepka3884
      @aaronstrepka3884 Před 4 lety

      I agree

    • @translila
      @translila Před 4 lety +3

      this is one of the best comments, since heaviness really depends on how you write the riff, rather than the tuning of it

    • @gabreeul9341
      @gabreeul9341 Před 4 lety +2

      Exactly! It most depends on the context, if ur playing Djent or Groovy Metal downtuning will sounds better, but for Thrash Metal E standard is just perfect

    • @elensie6897
      @elensie6897 Před 4 lety +1

      The majority of bleed is the just the note Eb...

    • @BiRDiEHere
      @BiRDiEHere Před 4 lety +2

      @@elensie6897 You mean D#? Well....Eb/D#. What's difference? They are the same note.

  • @aleksilamsijarvi2658
    @aleksilamsijarvi2658 Před 4 lety +5

    It's just the style about how your playing. Every tuning can be heavy. I personally use Drop C tuning, cause i think melody and solos sound better.

  • @Seiffer55
    @Seiffer55 Před 4 lety

    That's 5 had me fuckin' dying. 10/10 content as always dude.

  • @limeband
    @limeband Před 4 lety

    Piece of art!

  • @raydog_97
    @raydog_97 Před 4 lety +3

    It’s more of a yes and no for me. Tuning lower definitely changes the mood for sure and hell, sometimes it makes you want to break some shit. So tuning lower is part of it but it’s not really the tuning that makes the riff heavy, it’s the riff itself. It really just depends on how you write the riff and how it sounds and turns out afterwards.

  • @BurntSquirrel
    @BurntSquirrel Před 4 lety +14

    Chapman copying Mayones paint schemes now.

    • @rasmusolesen5307
      @rasmusolesen5307 Před 4 lety +4

      Because all guitars were one single solid color before Mayones did a faded blend...

    • @DavidNwokoye
      @DavidNwokoye Před 4 lety +7

      Every guitar company copies each other's paint schemes.

    • @BurntSquirrel
      @BurntSquirrel Před 4 lety

      NicoDa1 name one other company beside Mayones that has a faded purple color going into a natural grain wood finish?

    • @DavidNwokoye
      @DavidNwokoye Před 4 lety +9

      @@BurntSquirrel ESP, Ibanez, Jackson, Vola, Acacia........ I can go on all day

    • @rasmusolesen5307
      @rasmusolesen5307 Před 4 lety +3

      This PRS Fade appreciation thread is 8 years old... So really. Nothing new here.
      forums.prsguitars.com/threads/wicked-crazy-fades-thread-i-see-2-colors-3-colors-more.683/

  • @Grindgodgrind
    @Grindgodgrind Před 4 lety

    Straight in with the Carcass riff. Nice.

  • @imtriplydead
    @imtriplydead Před 4 lety

    Loved the baringtone one

  • @DavidNwokoye
    @DavidNwokoye Před 4 lety +24

    I honestly don't think so. A good guitar riff should have an element of heaviness regardless of tuning. Sylosis play in E and D standard and they're heavy af.
    Edit: Btw 4:11 is the riff from the first round of Jared Dines vs Sarah Longfield. 🤘🤘🤘

    • @setra23
      @setra23 Před 4 lety +3

      I'd say writing in lower tunings makes writing heavy easier, rather than just being inherently heavier.

    • @clemensmoeller4549
      @clemensmoeller4549 Před 4 lety +1

      @@setra23 Yeah because you can just chug all the time instead of writing something interesting, and big interval jumps sound more drastic and are easier to do in drop tuning.

  • @thedyingfetus9493
    @thedyingfetus9493 Před 4 lety +11

    Heaviness in my opinion is a result of the technique you use, the tone, the rhythms you use and most importantly the scales, modes and the intervals you use. The tuning is just a preference in my opinion. Gojira are one of the heaviest bands out the lower they go is Drop C so imo opinion it doesnt really matter

    • @xibucksgrindset6379
      @xibucksgrindset6379 Před 4 lety +1

      I love Gojira and all but calling them one of the heaviest bands seems pretty wrong

    • @thedyingfetus9493
      @thedyingfetus9493 Před 4 lety

      @@xibucksgrindset6379 I mean once again its opinions. Imo they're heavier then most of the death metal bands

    • @Condemned782
      @Condemned782 Před 4 lety +1

      @@xibucksgrindset6379 you have an interesting definition of heavy then, my friend

    • @LeglessWonder
      @LeglessWonder Před 4 lety

      Found an easy way to bring out the metal snobs, my friend.

  • @poser_disposer
    @poser_disposer Před 4 lety

    The modulation from E to B in the last 2 riffs sounds sweet.

  • @WrathVictory
    @WrathVictory Před 4 lety +1

    Very well executed Pete, i love low tunings.. theres just a grind and a filth about it that i dig.. but i also love Sylosis so E standard and drop D riffs can be just as heavy.. i really enjoyed this comparison and the baritone tone did it for me. Are they the same pickup and each guitar Pete? :)

  • @yeesenchai
    @yeesenchai Před 4 lety +5

    Songs sound better in my opinion
    1. Regular
    2. Baritone
    3. Regular
    4. Regular

  • @AmericanMe
    @AmericanMe Před 4 lety +3

    WELCOME TO THE BARITONE CLUB. ITS HARD TO PLAY ANYTHING ELSE AFTER GETTING USED TO IT. 🤘🤘🤘🤘

    • @Davier9999
      @Davier9999 Před 4 lety +2

      What's good about a 6 string baritone guitar? (Honest question here, not trolling) Why don't pick up a 7 strings instead?

    • @kingnothing2161
      @kingnothing2161 Před 4 lety

      @@Davier9999 Your playing style doesn't change as much. You dont have to worry about different hand placement, strings ringing over with the extra string. You basically just play normally (often in drop tunings but sometimes in low 'standard') but you might have to make some slightly wider stretches. Either way you've got a guitar meant for extending the low range. I don't recommend tuning a regular ol guitar down more than 1 or 1.5 whole steps

    • @angryktulhu
      @angryktulhu Před 4 lety +2

      Lol just put heavier strings or 7/8 strings set on a normal guitar and tune down, no need for baritones :D

    • @Davier9999
      @Davier9999 Před 4 lety

      @@kingnothing2161 I used to play my 6 strings in drop A, even though it was 25,5'. I used .13 gauge strings and it was alright. Then I got my first 7 and never looked back. It was effortless really.

  • @HomeGunMaker
    @HomeGunMaker Před 4 lety

    I love the Riffs in unison with the bass drum

  • @kanvolu
    @kanvolu Před 4 lety

    I loved the baritone guitar on all of them

  • @alx_p_
    @alx_p_ Před 4 lety +9

    First : Heavier in standard
    Second : Heavier in lower
    Third : Heavier in standard
    Fourth : Heavier in lower

    • @matthammond3563
      @matthammond3563 Před 4 lety

      Glad I found someone else with the same preferences. I think it all depends on the riff, whether it needs the tightness of a higher tuning, or the weight and 'bloom' of a lower tuning.

  • @armandklink4843
    @armandklink4843 Před 4 lety +3

    0:54 thought you're gonna play Gematria for a second, disappointed >:^(

    • @tahnnickson1069
      @tahnnickson1069 Před 4 lety

      Lol cause of a big slide? I thought Sulfur off the same album, prob cause I just learnt it hahah

    • @armandklink4843
      @armandklink4843 Před 4 lety

      @@tahnnickson1069 the first few notes sounded exactly like the breakdown of Gematria.

  • @setra23
    @setra23 Před 4 lety

    really interested in getting one of these as my next guitar. Sold my 7 string as i couldn't get on with the neck, so a baritone seems like a better option to me.

  • @giacomonoia7566
    @giacomonoia7566 Před 4 lety +1

    I just think that the key change between the two versions it sounds amazing

  • @tbdaemon
    @tbdaemon Před 4 lety +7

    I would say yeah. The down-tuning certainly makes it sound heavier.

  • @ericvalverderosado2046
    @ericvalverderosado2046 Před 4 lety +3

    If you like Architects this is your cover guitar xd

  • @hissori2978
    @hissori2978 Před 4 lety

    Interesting video

  • @kryde101
    @kryde101 Před 3 lety

    Hello bro. Do you try things to set up strings like that - 3 first strings from 9-42 set and 3 with braid from 13-72 set?

  • @Tm00ne
    @Tm00ne Před 4 lety +25

    I dunno about heaviness, but I like the regular-tuned versions more.

  • @AleandFire
    @AleandFire Před 4 lety +5

    Baritone is like a guitar and bass in one

    • @Jake-sx5ko
      @Jake-sx5ko Před 4 lety +5

      Not really

    • @AleandFire
      @AleandFire Před 4 lety

      Jake matter of opinion and player pal

    • @chain872005
      @chain872005 Před 4 lety +2

      @@AleandFire No, it's not a matter of opinion. There are hybrid bass/guitars out there. A baritone guitar is still higher pitched than a bass.

  • @ruskasielu6261
    @ruskasielu6261 Před 4 lety

    I used to love low tunings, but over the years I've started to appreciate the clarity you get out of higher tunings more and more, especially live and for faster riffs. It's (usually) much harder to get the same definition with low tunings, at least with high gain.

  • @breakersteve
    @breakersteve Před 4 lety

    Useful vid. I’ve been thinking of either a 7 string or Baritone as my next guitar.
    For me the 6 string gave the riffs more attack, more punch. I think the longer neck/string length made the sound more “flubby”. I’m now thinking more towards the 7 string.

  • @EnslavedAngel_bruh
    @EnslavedAngel_bruh Před 4 lety +5

    Baritone guitars are sick

  • @TripleAir
    @TripleAir Před 4 lety +14

    I actually prefer the regular one. Downtuning it too much just makes it sound muddy and dull. Then again, I've never really been a fan of anything lower than C tuning.

  • @monsterk7603
    @monsterk7603 Před 4 lety

    There's a place for each. I've been playing guitar since 1986 and just got my first baritone last year. After seeing Jungle Rot just destroy with their massive and brutal tone, I had an Ibanez RGIB6 before the week was over. Paired with a Mesa dual rec or peavey 6505+, it's just awe inspiring. Now I've got a second baritone. An LTD MH400B. That said, I still love my les Paul in E and schecters in D. Time and a place for everything.

  • @nikkoberserker
    @nikkoberserker Před 4 lety

    Hello Pete ,i have baritone ,7 strings ans 8 strings guitars ,i prefer to play on baritone ,because it's more easy to play with 6 strings ,sometimes i'm lost on the neck ,and i make some bad keys ! lol because i don't play too much the 7 and the 8 strings ,i play 6 string more and for me the baritone is the best compromise between the 7 strings and the 6 strings with low tuning .it's more easy to play more longer neck than larger neck no ?

  • @Williamstanway
    @Williamstanway Před 4 lety +3

    Dillinger escape plan play in standard

    • @aldahirlopez3757
      @aldahirlopez3757 Před 4 lety

      Opeth play in standard as well, and they sound suuuuuper heavy

  • @cameronmcleod215
    @cameronmcleod215 Před 4 lety +6

    All of those riffs benefited from being downtuned

  • @deanmihailovici7754
    @deanmihailovici7754 Před 4 lety

    Great video, Pete! I got the same guitar from Thomann 2 weeks ago (great bang for the buck!!!). I went for a set of EB Beefy Slinky strings (11-54) and my god was I shocked at how amazing the guitar played! Therefore, shout out to all of you out there still looking for the perfect guitar - string gauge combination: you don’t need super heavy strings for baritones. I cannot stress it enough how well regular sets of strings will do (also tried the Mammoth Slinky set before the one mentioned above). You’ll get that nice slinky feel, good tension and most importantly, you’ll be as comfortable as possible when playing. I really hope this message helps to debunk all sorts of ridiculous ideas about string gauge for baritones! Please, if you’re a guitar player torn between all those forums and all those guitar myths, get away from it! Take your time, save a little money and just have fun experimenting!
    Rock on! 🤘

  • @DanSutherland
    @DanSutherland Před 4 lety +1

    100% into the downtuning and baritone. Just savage sounding. I think it is heavier but all the more so because it's contrasted with an uptuned version. Like ideally I want both. Same as when you swapped bass as lead. I want both. (I do like the Bass version of Kinetic better. Wish I could get it.)

  • @mafutofu69
    @mafutofu69 Před 4 lety +4

    the riffs are heavy,,, but the tuning makes it more c h o n k y

  • @jerryc.3593
    @jerryc.3593 Před 3 lety

    Got to get one of those !!!😈

  • @Mattvieir
    @Mattvieir Před 4 lety

    i really liked the backing track for this video! does someone knows the name of it and where i can listen?

  • @brandonansley8160
    @brandonansley8160 Před 3 lety

    What amp are you using in this video? I have a Marshall mg100 half stack with celestion speakers and an rp10 pedal ran through the effects loop and I just cant seem to get the distortion I want

  • @lostlittlenoobvt
    @lostlittlenoobvt Před 4 lety +2

    Fun fact Pete! You have played a baritone! That red Rabea Massaad signature at Thomann was a Baritone!

    • @peteplaysmusic
      @peteplaysmusic  Před 4 lety +1

      I was wondering if someone would remember that haha, I think I played it for 15 mins max though :)

    • @lostlittlenoobvt
      @lostlittlenoobvt Před 4 lety

      Why would I forget about your awesome colab with gear gods? ❤️❤️

  • @cmd_f5
    @cmd_f5 Před 4 lety

    Nice Carcass riffing in the beginning haha. Awesome stuff.
    IMO they both are heavy, but I liked the drop D riffing more than I was expecting. To me it's not only about tuning, though that does play a big roll in it for sure.
    Seven string user myself, it's cool because I can easily switch from e standard then jump right into drop A with no bs. Baritones have their place though.

  • @SoulfrikRule
    @SoulfrikRule Před 4 lety

    How do you rec this with such a clean sound? Can you make a tutorial about it so I learn to record the guitar properly? I have one of the first focusrite that came on the market but I can't get that sound even If I edit guitar as much as I can

  • @arkavagoswami3068
    @arkavagoswami3068 Před 4 lety

    Awesome bro.kindly make a baritone vs. 7 string

  • @OmegasevenWoW
    @OmegasevenWoW Před 4 lety

    Hah! Got the same guitar, with the grey/ash finish.
    I was thinking on getting the "Abyss" finish, the one that starts
    with purple on the bottom and fades into blue, but that kinda seemed too much.

  • @wolfman8785
    @wolfman8785 Před 4 lety

    I,just bought a baritone myself about a month ago. Its fun playing something different

  • @rkimbot
    @rkimbot Před 4 lety +1

    6:02 that would fit perfectly in Gojira's Magma

  • @brandonansley8160
    @brandonansley8160 Před 3 lety

    I changed the wiring in the cabinet to series and separated the sides so I can run stereo and that gave it some more low end and gave it more depth but i just still cant get the sound i really want

  • @SIGNA.1
    @SIGNA.1 Před 4 lety

    I pre ordered that finish last month. tuning it to drop Eb and putting some thicker strings as soon as it gets here.

  • @gentleman3253
    @gentleman3253 Před 4 lety

    Do you guys think it 's better ESP LTD H3-1000 See Thru Purple SB or Solar Guitars S2.6C G2 ?

  • @rocksteady1676
    @rocksteady1676 Před 4 lety

    Nice Guitars, both look Kool! 'Standard Tuning' for me. Maybe because thats what i'm use to but sits on the ear better. Regardless... Good stuff & Nice channel

  • @M3tal_matt
    @M3tal_matt Před 4 lety

    2020 is the year of Pete 🤘